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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 05:17 PM

In '08 Hillary advocated stronger urban gun laws and locally weaker laws in rural areas.

In 2016 she now claims that position means you have a "black problem". A charge apparently directed at Bernie Sanders but almost exactly her own position during the 2008 campaign.

Here is Clinton at the April 16 2008 debate:

SENATOR CLINTON: What I favor is what works in New York. You know, we have a set of rules in New York City and we have a totally different set of rules in the rest of the state. What might work in New York City is certainly not going to work in Montana. So, for the federal government to be having any kind of, you know, blanket rules that they're going to try to impose, I think doesn't make sense.

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Reply In '08 Hillary advocated stronger urban gun laws and locally weaker laws in rural areas. (Original post)
pa28 Nov 2015 OP
ibegurpard Nov 2015 #1
pa28 Nov 2015 #9
arcane1 Nov 2015 #2
saturnsring Nov 2015 #3
pa28 Nov 2015 #6
saturnsring Nov 2015 #12
pa28 Nov 2015 #20
saturnsring Nov 2015 #21
pa28 Nov 2015 #22
saturnsring Nov 2015 #23
Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #30
saturnsring Nov 2015 #31
pa28 Nov 2015 #35
saturnsring Nov 2015 #36
pa28 Nov 2015 #37
saturnsring Nov 2015 #39
pa28 Nov 2015 #41
Scootaloo Nov 2015 #26
saturnsring Nov 2015 #32
Scootaloo Nov 2015 #38
saturnsring Nov 2015 #40
Scootaloo Nov 2015 #42
saturnsring Nov 2015 #43
Scootaloo Nov 2015 #44
frylock Nov 2015 #8
saturnsring Nov 2015 #11
frylock Nov 2015 #13
saturnsring Nov 2015 #15
frylock Nov 2015 #16
saturnsring Nov 2015 #18
VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #4
Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #5
pa28 Nov 2015 #29
frylock Nov 2015 #7
azmom Nov 2015 #10
UglyGreed Nov 2015 #14
frylock Nov 2015 #17
UglyGreed Nov 2015 #25
Doctor_J Nov 2015 #19
Vattel Nov 2015 #24
Scootaloo Nov 2015 #27
slipslidingaway Nov 2015 #28
kelliekat44 Nov 2015 #33
pa28 Nov 2015 #34
HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #45

Response to pa28 (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 05:19 PM

1. Apparently she evolved

Again.

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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 06:12 PM

9. Indignantly condemning your own "black problem" in front of the NAACP like it never happened.

That is some serious evolution.

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Response to pa28 (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 05:22 PM

2. It's almost as if she'll say just about anything.

 

No, that can't be it.

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Response to pa28 (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 05:24 PM

3. smells like desperation

 

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Response to saturnsring (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 05:30 PM

6. Would you mind squaring those two positions for me?

They don't seem compatible at all.

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Response to pa28 (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 06:39 PM

12. im refering to all fervent posting of negative ads by dems about dems

 

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Response to saturnsring (Reply #12)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 06:50 PM

20. And by "negative ads" you mean the uncut debate footage I provided?

The "black problems" issue was raised by Clinton's campaign so I don't see how it's desperation. I was hoping one of Hillary's supporters could reconcile the huge discrepancy in her position.

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Response to pa28 (Reply #20)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:01 PM

21. little bernistas scouring the internet going back years trying to find any little thing that seems

 

to reflect badly on a democratic candidate. you know the stuff that republicans usually do but now they don't have to because they got democrats to do it for them. your candidate isn't doing so well so you trying to take down the leading dem buy posting any little thing you can find. it is that that smells of desperation and this op is a part of that

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Response to saturnsring (Reply #21)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:08 PM

22. Strange how some Hillary supporters think examining her actual record is an act of vandalism.

They get mad and call us names like "Berniebaggers" and "Little Bernistas". Asking to reconcile what appears to be a very cynical use of race from just seven years ago doesn't seem like a big demand.

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Response to pa28 (Reply #22)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:11 PM

23. yea go post it in freeperville leave the tearing down of dems to them they dont need your help

 

you helping them is the desperation. if you candidate is so wonderful you shouldn't need to do this but he's losing and your getting desperate

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Response to saturnsring (Reply #23)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 10:05 AM

30. and yet here you are, tearing down the candidate you don't like and insulting other Democrats who

 

do like him. Hugely hypocritical standards you have. You are berating rank and file Democrats for having a different primary choice.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #30)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 11:33 AM

31. i dont see where i said anything about bernie - i like bernie i'd be happy with bernie provided

 

he can win the white house. - and the rank and file dems can vote for whomever they want in the primary - and if they want to post good news abut Bernie, good! but Hillary supporters shouldn't be posting negative articles about Bernie and the Bernie supporters shouldn't be posting negative posts about Hillary leave that for the gop and freeperland.

like I said im referring to all fervent posting of negative ads by dems about dems

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Response to saturnsring (Reply #23)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 11:59 AM

35. I get it. You can't defend the hypocrisy or her record.

Remember, your candidate started this line of attack and now you seem to have taken great offense at the factual response.

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Response to pa28 (Reply #35)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:04 PM

36. it isnt our job to find faults in dem canidates you want to see that you can go to free republic

 

and you and the freepers can get off on all the negative press you like.
got a kick out of " she started it" as if we were on a playground somewhere.

btw "my candidate" is whoever wins the primary

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Response to saturnsring (Reply #36)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:08 PM

37. You sound like a very angry person.

Why not try breathing into a paper bag or take a nice hot bath. Listen to some Sibelius.

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Response to pa28 (Reply #37)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:11 PM

39. me? angry?

 

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Response to saturnsring (Reply #39)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:16 PM

41. Heh.

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Response to saturnsring (Reply #21)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 08:02 PM

26. I'm sorry, do you think that Clinton's record should be expunged and forgotten?

 

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #26)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 11:34 AM

32. i dont think it's up to us to opposition research for the gop

 

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Response to saturnsring (Reply #32)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:10 PM

38. So yes, you feel that clinton's record should be expunged and forgotten. Gotcha.

 

Hate to tell ya, but it doesn't work that way. You want a queen, move to the UK.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #38)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:14 PM

40. i said it's not our job to do that not that it shouldnt be done - are u familiar with free republic

 

you might be happier there at this time they seem to have what you want.

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Response to saturnsring (Reply #40)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:19 PM

42. It IS, actually. It's part of what's called a 'vetting process"

 

You're of course deeply offended that Clinton wasn't simply handed the party nomination in 2013 or something, so I guess you don't understand. But the idea is to make sure our eventual nominee, whoever it is, has the best positions, the least baggage, and the tightest ship - or, at least, the ability to keep it all together anyway if they don't.

Further, Clinton's record is a matter of public, well, record. It's not our job to insulate, coddle, and protect her from herself.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #42)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:24 PM

43. no it's opposition research and dems shouldnt be doing it that's the con's job

 

and vetting isn't your responsibility either. you are not a vetter

btw "my candidate" is the one that wins the primary

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Response to saturnsring (Reply #43)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:27 PM

44. Good luck with your calls for information blackout about our candidates, saturnsring n/t

 

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Response to saturnsring (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 05:40 PM

8. From Hillary? Yes.

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Response to frylock (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 06:36 PM

11. wow that is so funny and original.

 

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Response to saturnsring (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 06:40 PM

13. Granted, it wasn't as fresh as this take..

smells like desperation. But it is what it is, dependent upon what the meaning of is is.

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Response to frylock (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 06:42 PM

15. again hilarious and original

 

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Response to saturnsring (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 06:43 PM

16. I'm here all week.

Try the veal.

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Response to frylock (Reply #16)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 06:46 PM

18. lol

 

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Response to pa28 (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 05:28 PM

4. Yeah there is desperation all right

 

But not from a candidate with a 30 to 57 point lead.....what is there to be desperate about?

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Response to pa28 (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 05:28 PM

5. wow

2008 is treasure chest of material how HRC "'evolved"

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Response to Truprogressive85 (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:26 AM

29. Well, up until now it's been a discussion of current issues.

Now it looks we're going to be discussing Hillary's factual record on the issues as a result of the Clinton campaign decision to smear Bernie on race and sex. According to some of her supporters that means we're "going negative".

By discussing Hillary's factual record on the issues we're scraping the bottom of gutter politics. Seems to me that if your candidate is so bad that reminding voters of what she has actually done and said is "gutter politics" it might be time to find a new candidate.

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Response to pa28 (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 05:39 PM

7. What might work in New York City is certainly not going to work in Montana.

knr

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Response to pa28 (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 06:34 PM

10. She is a joke.

How can you take anything she says seriously? LOL

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Response to pa28 (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 06:40 PM

14. LOL

but you are not allowed bring up her own contradictions.

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Response to UglyGreed (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 06:46 PM

17. Why is 2008 Hillary attacking 2015 Hillary?

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Response to frylock (Reply #17)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:49 PM

25. I don't know

just please don't bring it up.......

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Response to pa28 (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 06:50 PM

19. she's really pathetic

 

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Response to pa28 (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:35 PM

24. It's impossible to know what she really stands for on gun control and so many other issues.

 

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Response to Vattel (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 08:04 PM

27. She stands for whatever is advantageous at the moment

 

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Response to pa28 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:47 AM

28. knr ... Sanders and Clinton agree on many points ...

as there are rural communities in both states and if we are going to bridge the gap we need to do so in a way where we can achieve meaningful reform.

Attacking Sanders on this issue and then going further to define it as racial problem is dishonest IMHO.

Thanks for the reminder.



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Response to pa28 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 11:37 AM

33. Damn you Bernie folks go to extreme lengths...and then end up with disinformation. nt

 

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #33)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 11:39 AM

34. By disinformation you mean the completely uncut debate film with her own words on it?

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Response to pa28 (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:31 PM

45. Bernie needs to bring this up in the next debate

 

Along with all of her other contradictions.

Actually on second thought, they only get a minute to answer questions so there probably wouldn't be enough time to list them all.

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