2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe Democratic Race That Isn’t
Heres the little secret nobodys telling you:
Barring an unexpected, serious health crisis, or the emergence of a scandal far bigger and more substantive than the laughable Emailgate controversy, Hillary Rodham Clinton is going to be the Democratic nominee for president of the United States in 2016.
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After Iowa and New Hampshire, two states whose Democratic caucus/primary electorates can be expected to be relatively friendly to Mr. Sandersindeed, Mr. Sanders leads in New Hampshire, which borders his home state of Vermontthe contest moves to Nevada and South Carolina, where his prospects are dim at the moment. While polling has been scant in Nevada, the most recent CNN/ORC poll there, taken October 3-10, shows Ms. Clinton with a substantial 50-34 lead over Mr. Sanders, and that is with 12 percent going to Mr. Biden. As most polls have shown the bulk of Mr. Bidens support moving toward Ms. Clinton with the vice president not in the race, it would be safe to say her lead in Nevada is somewhere in the ballpark of 20 points.
In South Carolina, there has been significantly more polling, and all of it has been catastrophically bad for Mr. Sanders. Per Real Clear Politics, no poll taken in the Palmetto State shows him closer than 23 points, and on average, he trails Ms. Clinton by 37 points. Keep in mind that most polling in South Carolina included Mr. Biden, who averaged 21.5 percent, and that most of his support appears likely to go to Ms. Clinton.
The current state of play in Nevada and South Carolina demonstrates that the murmurs about Mr. Sanders failure to gain ground among Latinos and African-Americans still ring true, and while a recent online poll by NBC News showed him within seven points among Latinosfar closer than other, more traditional polls indicatehe is still getting crushed by Ms. Clinton among African-Americans. If Mr. Sanders apparent struggles among voters of color persist, then he is in for significant defeats in those two states and a calamitous day on March 1, when 11 states (mostly in the South) hold their nominating contests. This so called Southeastern Conference Primary includes numerous states with significant African-American and/or Latino voting populations, and it is followed over the next few weeks by several key states that also have large non-white segments among their Democratic voters, including Illinois, Ohio and North Carolina. It is difficult to see how Mr. Sanders gets out of March alive, politically speaking. The calendar could hardly be unkinder to him.
http://observer.com/2015/10/the-democratic-race-that-isnt/
Stuckinthebush
(10,836 posts)That's not popular to acknowledge here, but the math isn't with him.
Clinton will be the nominee and the next POTUS. I bet she picks sanders as a VP candidate to retain the far left and youth vote.
tecelote
(5,122 posts)Sanders will win if Americans have a conscience.
Stuckinthebush
(10,836 posts)The Dem base seems to have chosen Clinton. Sanders does have a statistical chance but the odds are very very low.
He may well be the VP candidate which will unite the left and center of the party.
tecelote
(5,122 posts)Logic wins, maybe, half the time.
Stuckinthebush
(10,836 posts)I don't necessarily agree with your statement about conscience of the American people. Sanders candidacy aside, the American conscience is suspect at best.
I am certain there are as many on the right who would say the same about their candidate of choice.
It's basic math. i do hope she does the smart thing and gives him the VP position.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)This is yet another area where the myth of Bernie doesn't match the reality of Bernie. He voted for HR Res 64, voted for Afghanistan, voted for Kosovo and Somalia, voted for sanctions, voted to fund every war, voted for more military spending, said he supports more troops in the mid east, and keep using drones. He also voted against closing GITMO and doubles down on courting makers of weapons of mass destruction in his state i.e. F-35 and Sandia Labs.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I think that Hillary is probably thinking ahead and mapping out a long-term strategy as well. She'll likely choose a running mate who will still be young enough in 2024 to be a viable contender to be the Democratic nominee.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)It's going to take a lot of work to win.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)It is not a substantive criticism. It is just rather sleazy.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Bernie supporters don't seem like quitters to me, judging by their passion and dedication to their candidate.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)This place is a 24/7 Hillary hate fest yet in the real world she is dominating.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)MineralMan
(146,254 posts)Someone is quoting what someone else wrote about the primary elections. That's what people do in GD . Turnout will be what it is, based on what people learn and think about.
Nothing anyone posts on DU will alter the turnout for caucuses and primary elections.
It is simple DU being what DU is. People post items from many sources here and write their own opinions, as well. There's no shortage of it from either camp.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Sanders and Clinton are acting as if they agree. It has been extremely polite overall. O'Malley seems to be going at it. He is nailing the issues, making excellent witty barbs at Clinton and Sanders, and handling himself great.