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Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:05 PM

 

Does Clinton Suggest Grabbing Guns? You Decide

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141235952

Hillary Clinton Says A National Gun Buyback Program Is 'Worth Considering'
Source: Huffington Post

It's "worth considering" whether the United States should emulate Australia by instituting a national gun buyback program, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton said Friday at a town hall in New Hampshire.

A man in the audience asked Clinton whether she thought it would be possible for the U.S. to enact such a program, and if not, why. Gun buybacks have happened at the metropolitan level in the U.S., but any effort at the national level would be sure to run into intense political opposition.

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Reply Does Clinton Suggest Grabbing Guns? You Decide (Original post)
RobertEarl Oct 2015 OP
RandySF Oct 2015 #1
Cheese Sandwich Oct 2015 #2
Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #5
JaneyVee Oct 2015 #31
aikoaiko Oct 2015 #33
Duckhunter935 Oct 2015 #44
hack89 Oct 2015 #17
RobertEarl Oct 2015 #3
aidbo Oct 2015 #4
RobertEarl Oct 2015 #6
zappaman Oct 2015 #13
RobertEarl Oct 2015 #22
upaloopa Oct 2015 #29
tularetom Oct 2015 #7
frylock Oct 2015 #48
Gman Oct 2015 #8
RobertEarl Oct 2015 #10
Gman Oct 2015 #14
RobertEarl Oct 2015 #20
restorefreedom Oct 2015 #24
RobertEarl Oct 2015 #25
restorefreedom Oct 2015 #26
Gman Oct 2015 #40
hack89 Oct 2015 #16
onehandle Oct 2015 #9
RobertEarl Oct 2015 #11
JRLeft Oct 2015 #12
hack89 Oct 2015 #15
NurseJackie Oct 2015 #18
JTFrog Oct 2015 #19
RobertEarl Oct 2015 #21
JTFrog Oct 2015 #23
RobertEarl Oct 2015 #28
JTFrog Oct 2015 #32
RobertEarl Oct 2015 #35
JTFrog Oct 2015 #36
RobertEarl Oct 2015 #39
Andy823 Oct 2015 #27
JonathanRackham Oct 2015 #30
maxsolomon Oct 2015 #34
RobertEarl Oct 2015 #37
maxsolomon Oct 2015 #42
RobertEarl Oct 2015 #43
maxsolomon Oct 2015 #45
RobertEarl Oct 2015 #46
maxsolomon Oct 2015 #47
RobertEarl Oct 2015 #49
maxsolomon Oct 2015 #50
RobertEarl Oct 2015 #51
underpants Oct 2015 #38
Go Vols Oct 2015 #41
Blue_In_AK Oct 2015 #52
workinclasszero Oct 2015 #53
SunSeeker Oct 2015 #55
NCTraveler Oct 2015 #54

Response to RobertEarl (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:07 PM

1. The last time I checked

Giving money in exchange for said item is not a "grab".

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Response to RandySF (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:11 PM

2. When it's required then it is a grab

 

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Response to RandySF (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:20 PM

5. If it is a requirement like Australia

 

It is most definitely a grab.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #5)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:45 PM

31. Where does it say requirement?

 

Most obviously voluntary.

Calling this "gun grabbing" is wingnut territory.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #31)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:51 PM

33. The Australian buy was compulsory for prohibited items.



In addition to requiring law changes to implement the above resolutions, the agreement provided for the establishment of a twelve-month national amnesty and compensation program, to be accompanied by a public education campaign, after which the jurisdictions would apply “severe penalties” for breaches of the firearms control laws.[39] This resolution was implemented through a national firearms buyback program, which saw the federal Parliament enacting the National Firearms Program Implementation Act 1996 (Cth).[40] The Medicare Levy Amendment Act 1996 (Cth) was also enacted in relation to providing funding for the compensation to be paid to gun owners who handed in weapons that fell within the prohibited categories.[41]


http://www.loc.gov/law/help/firearms-control/australia.php

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #31)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 05:55 PM

44. The Australian model

 

She is looking at was not voluntary and was compulsory. In other words a gun grab.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 10:20 AM

17. If you have no choice but to give up your guns then, yes, it is a "grab". nt

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Response to RobertEarl (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:20 PM

4. Also likely to result in potentially violent opposition.

A la right wing militia types and other reactionary domestic terrorists.

'Don't tread on me' flags would be flying off the proverbial shelves.
I don't know how to fix our country's sick obsession w/ guns.

But that shouldn't stop us from trying. It worked there in Australia, I'm willing to try it here.

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Response to aidbo (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:28 PM

6. Bernie has played it well

 

He has focused on the idea that some people should not be allowed to have guns. He wants others to quit shouting about all guns long enough so that a conversation can take place.

Instead, his opposition has tried to smear him by making false accusations. In a sense, they are still shouting.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #6)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:30 AM

13. Lol!

It's like you live on a different planet or something!
Yes, voting against the Brady Bill 5 times is "playing it well"!
Thanks, as always, for the laughs.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #6)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:09 PM

22. Personally

 

I would, personally, like to see many guns 'grabbed'.

Politically, it is a losing proposition to suggest as much in national electoral politics. But now Hillary has suggested as much. No wonder she is diverting and going on the attack against Bernie for being much more politically correct.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #6)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:39 PM

29. We've had conversations

Some people aren't listening.

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Response to RobertEarl (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:42 PM

7. If she can snag some votes from it, she'll grab anything that even looks like a gun

But she's smart enough to know a gun buyback program will never work in the US. If it's voluntary, nobody will participate and if it's compulsary congress will never approve it.

She doesn't mean it, it's just campaign bullshit to placate the hysterical anti gun crowd.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 02:58 PM

48. You won't hear a damn thing about gun control in the GE if she gets the nomination.

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Response to RobertEarl (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 11:59 PM

8. Her plan is a bad thing???

This is still DU, isn't it. Or did I stumble into some RW cesspools?

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Response to Gman (Reply #8)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:06 AM

10. It is a loser in National Politics

 

Bernie's position is much more sound.

Do you really want to lose to a republican? You can bet they already have the clip ready to roll and calling Hillary a gun grabber.

Bernie's position is to make sure people like the mass killers can't have guns. That is a position only a few will argue against.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #10)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:25 AM

14. If you think they won't run ads about a socialist

Grabbing guns along with the other falsehoods, you've got another thought coming.

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Response to Gman (Reply #14)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:40 PM

20. Yep

 

They have the ads ready to roll claiming Hillary is a socialist who will grab your guns.

But is Hillary really all that socialist? I think she's more into amassing capital than she is interested in society as a whole. It's kinda obvious, isn't it?

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #20)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:25 PM

24. i spoke to someone just the other day

Who told me that Hillary's plan is to grab all the guns and take them away from everyone. The person I spoke with is not a right wing gun fanatic or a right-wing lunatic. And yet this is what she believed was going to happen with Hillary. This will be the spin until election day.

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Response to restorefreedom (Reply #24)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:31 PM

25. That's the perception

 

Bernie can't be painted with that. He, like the rest of us, wish there was a magical solution to end all violence. But he is wise enough not to go around scaring everyone with unworkable solutions.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #25)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:32 PM

26. eyup. nt

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #20)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:24 PM

40. Ummm.... No

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Response to Gman (Reply #8)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 10:19 AM

16. Depends if it is a voluntary or mandatory buyback

A voluntary buyback is perfectly fine and fits well with the Democratic view of guns.

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Response to RobertEarl (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:05 AM

9. Grab 'em!

But just the ones owned by 'people' who promote gun culture in liberal forums.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #9)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:08 AM

11. You want to lose to a republican?

 

Bernie's position is a winning position. Otherwise Hillary wouldn't be smearing him.

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Response to RobertEarl (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:11 AM

12. She only hates guns for political reasons, she doesn't mind killing millions at all.

 

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Response to RobertEarl (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 10:17 AM

15. If it is purely voluntary (which it should be) then no, she is not grabbing guns

It is hard to imagine any Democratic president banning guns.

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Response to RobertEarl (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 10:22 AM

18. I've decided ...... no.

This is all much ado. Next!

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Response to RobertEarl (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 10:26 AM

19. Omg onoz!!!

 





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Response to JTFrog (Reply #19)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 01:47 PM

21. It was claimed Obama was a gun grabber

 

And he was very careful to not fulfill that accusation.

Hillary, however, is sunk in it.

Bernie is above it and proposes answers that decrease the shouting. His solutions are the only successful ways to meet our concerns.

Your stupid comic is fear based and mere shouting, which solves nothing and contributes nothing. You should remove it from your repertoire?

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #21)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:23 PM

23. You are the one invested in spreading fud.

 

Maybe you will worry about your own posting repertoire and stop telling me what I should do. I'm fine with mine.


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Response to JTFrog (Reply #23)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:34 PM

28. It was ugly

 

Contributed nothing, was not meaningful, and is childish.

You should worry about how you are seen here on DU if you care at all about fud spread. These are serious matters; these gun problems, and shouting OMG with silly graphics is just wrong.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #28)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:48 PM

32. Omg onoz!!!

 

I don't give much credence to how people on an anonymous internet forum "see" me.







The graphic is just as silly as the OP with this ridiculous Gun Grabber bullshit.

You know who usually pushes the Gun Grabber propaganda out there?

Yes, I'm sure you do.







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Response to JTFrog (Reply #32)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:53 PM

35. Yep

 

There goes Hillary, right over the edge, giving the republicans a big paint brush. I think they are laughing at posts like yours and thanking you for making it easy.

See how that goes? You smear we with RW crap and you get it back in your face! We've come to expect that from Hillary supporters who are not interested in Party unity.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #35)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 03:00 PM

36. Yea, your party unity skills are

 

off the charts....

Winning, as they say!

But your propaganda skills are a freaking joke. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad to see this kind of propaganda on DU.

You may now have the last pathetic word. I know it's important to you and your struggle for party unity.







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Response to JTFrog (Reply #36)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 03:10 PM

39. I want to win the election with a Democrat

 

Protecting Hillary from herself and her dumb politics is not my game. If I thought she could win, I'd support her. As we can see, her negative on this matter is just one more nail in her electoral coffin.

You like to get personal, I don't, but if that is what it takes to get you to open your eyes and see the Truth, well, in the interest of winning elections, I will stoop to your level.

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Response to RobertEarl (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:33 PM

27. Nope.

Doesn't sound that way to me. A buyback is a good idea, but she never said it would be mandatory, and I don't think she would. A buyback is a good start, then tougher background check laws should come into play,, and to from there. As someone has already mentioned I don't see any democrat "grabbing" all the guns in this country, at least not in my lifetime.

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Response to RobertEarl (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:43 PM

30. Pay full market value.

Buy up the ammo and accessories no problem. Send them out as foreign aid to countries we give guns to anyway. The Syrian rebels can use yesterday's Chicago guns to fight ISIS. Net zero on national cash flow.

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Response to RobertEarl (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:52 PM

34. A deep-pockets PRIVATE buy-back foundation would sidestep the issue.

No one would "grab" your Precious without your permission. But it would barely make a dent in the problem.

Americans, especially poor Americans, like money. Probably more than they like their hypothetical freedom to resist Tyranny or participate in a Regulated Militia. So they might sell, but cultists wouldn't. Obviously.

The legal and political landscape of this nation is simply too poisoned, probably for the next 30 years, for the Government to wade into this. The slaughter will continue.

And your headline is utter shite.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #34)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 03:07 PM

37. Walmart would sell more gunz

 

Your post is utter shite. Well, not all of it, but most of it.

I get that Hillary suggesting grabbing guns upsets you, but there it is.

Obama was wise enough to never expose himself the way Hilary has and if she gets the nomination, this negative along with all the others ensures a republican victory in November 2016.

All Hillary supporters need to realize that before it's too late and move to support Bernie who is much wiser and more electable.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #37)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:30 PM

42. Your conclusion is utter shite

Bernie is a Socialist. Would that America was intelligent enough to vote for a Socialist, but they've been brainwashed for over a 100 years with Red Scare Propaganda (see: Eugene Debs), and it's not going to magically vanish next November.

Plus, he's 73 next month. That is 3 years older than St. Reagan was when elected.

No buy-back programs are mandatory.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #42)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:42 PM

43. If you only made sense

 

The Australian buyback was mandatory and if you read the link in the OP you would have seen that is what Hillary was talking about.

Doesn't matter what you think.... you obviously hate Bernie and so your thinking is clouded. What does matter is the perception, and the perception is that Hillary wants to grab guns from law abiding citizens.

Bernie, wisely, merely suggests we find a away to keep guns out of the hands of the people who will use guns for mass carnage.

He can't be painted as a gun grabber, Hillary can. I get that does upset some, but there she goes again.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #43)

Wed Oct 28, 2015, 12:06 PM

45. I think Bernie's great

but he knows he's not going to win this.

there are no mandatory buy-backs IN AMERICA. they've all been voluntary. the Australian program is not politically viable IN AMERICA. she knows that as well as anyone. if Hillary proposed anything like that as POTUS, there would be blood running in the streets. all the Firearm Paranoiac's fondest wishes would come true.

she's getting painted as a gun-grabber no matter what she says. you're doing it right here.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #45)

Wed Oct 28, 2015, 01:03 PM

46. I'm not doing it

 

She did it to herself. It's a friggin news article I am relating to.

Jeez, what is it with some of you? Accusing Bernie supporters of making Hillary look awful when all we do is point out the Truth.

With that kind of thinking that some of you show, it is no wonder the country is in so much trouble.

Most people, when they see such as the Clintonites present, decide to run away from politics.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #46)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 02:56 PM

47. Since when am I a Clintonite? The internecine battle going on here isn't even amusing.

Let me state this clearly: I DO NOT GIVE A FUCK WHICH ONE OF THEM WINS THE NOMINATION. I simply believe HRC is more likely to succeed in the General than a avowed Socialist in a nation stuffed to the gills with ignorance.

I do, however, care to stand up to GRAs and their hysterics.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #47)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 03:42 PM

49. That's the point

 

You believe she is more likely to win the general election.

And I think that her being painted as a gun grabber by her own actions and this news story makes her a loser in the GE.

For sure the republicans will not use her pro-war stance in an attack ad, but they will use the linked news article about her considering grabbing guns to defeat her.

Why is it some just can't get that fact?

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #49)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 03:51 PM

50. Because "some" think it might NOT be a loser in the General?

The vast majority of Americans believe in greater regulation of Firearms - something like >80% wanted to see Universal Background Checks after Newtown. If she's so cold and calculating, she didn't say "let's look at it" without consideration.

As I said, she's damned if she does and damned if she doesn't: she'll be painted as a "grabber" regardless, just like Obama was. You don't have to help them.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #50)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 04:04 PM

51. Bernie can't be painted as a gun grabber

 

Look, me on DU talking about the Truth, is not helping the republicans. That is just dumb to make any such claim. Indeed, I resent your personal attack.

As for Obama, he was very careful to not do anything that they could use in an attack ad. Hillary has.

Bernie is smart like Obama in that he has made it so he can't be painted as a gun grabber.



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Response to RobertEarl (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 03:09 PM

38. That's called stringing along primary voters by not answering the question

It's not new

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Response to underpants (Reply #38)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:28 PM

41. Wonder if she has some comfortable shoes

like Obama.

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Response to RobertEarl (Original post)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 05:38 PM

52. The way I see it,

guns in America are a symptom of our fear- and violence-based society, not the cause. Gunplay is glorified here, in the movies, on TV, and unreasonable fear of the "other" is endemic. We'll never resolve the "gun problem" until we tackle these deeper societal ills.

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Response to RobertEarl (Original post)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 05:42 PM

53. Gun grabbing is teabag dog whistle

 

Sad to see this right wing propaganda showing up on DU

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #53)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 05:58 PM

55. I guess desperate times call for desperate measures. nt

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Response to RobertEarl (Original post)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 05:56 PM

54. The more she can grab, the better. Nt

 

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