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Mon Oct 26, 2015, 02:15 PM

 

Hillary Clinton Is SMEARING Bernie Sanders As A Sexist


"..It’s ridiculous. Bernie’s record as a feminist is as good as Hillary’s..".

"..Hillary Clinton has found a new wedge issue against Sen. Bernie Sanders. The topic is gun control, but the angle is gender. Clinton is framing Sanders as a sexist who accuses women of shouting when they try to speak up. It’s a lie. She’s manipulating women and abusing feminist anger for her own advantage..."




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That’s what Clinton is doing. She’s misrepresenting an exchange that took place at the Oct. 13 Democratic presidential debate. During the exchange, Clinton accused Sanders of voting with the gun lobby. Sanders replied: “All the shouting in the world is not going to do what I would hope all of us want, and that is keep guns out of the hands of people who should not have those guns and end this horrible violence.” Sanders argued that people on both sides of the gun debate should agree to “strengthen and expand instant background checks, do away with this gun show loophole,” “deal with the straw-man purchasing issue,” and “address the issue of mental health.” The man standing to Clinton’s left during this exchange, former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley, joined in the attack on Sanders. To this, the Vermont senator answered with the same message: “Here is the point, governor. We can raise our voices. But I come from a rural state, and the views on gun control in rural states are different than in urban states, whether we like it or not. Our job is to bring people together around strong, common-sense gun legislation.”


Two days after the debate, Clinton brought up the exchange during a speech to the U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce in San Antonio. She promised to stand up to the gun lobby and, dropping her G’s, added: “I’ve been told by some to quit talkin’ about this, to quit shoutin’ about this. Well, I’ll tell you right now, I will not be silenced, and we will not be silenced.” The crowd loved it. The next day in New Hampshire, Clinton tried the same line in a Yankee-friendly accent: “Some people say that we shouldn’t talk about it. Some say we shouldn’t shout about it, that I shouldn’t shout about it. Well, I think we have to keep talking. But more importantly, we have to act.” A week went by. Clinton prepared for her Oct. 22 testimony before the House Select Committee on Benghazi. When she returned to the campaign trail on Oct. 23, in a speech to the Democratic National Committee Women’s Leadership Forum, her account of the exchange with Sanders was no longer just about guns. It was about sexism. “You know,” she began—clearing her throat to signal the sound bite ahead—“I’ve been told to stop, and I quote, ‘shouting’ about gun violence. Well, first of all, I’m not shouting. It’s just [that] when women talk, some people think we’re shouting.” The audience hooted, screamed, and cheered. Clinton grinned. “I will not be silenced, because we will not be silenced,” she declared.


On social media, Clinton’s campaign made the new line—“When women talk, some people think we’re shouting”— her message of the day. Her team posted it on her Twitter feed at 8:30 Friday morning, two hours before her speech to the DNC forum, as a rebuke to “those who tell her to ‘stop shouting’ on issues that matter.” The quote also went up on her Facebook page and her campaign website, under the headline, “Hillary Clinton Just Said Something Women Have Been Thinking for Years.” The next day, at a Democratic dinner in Iowa, Clinton repeated the applause line: “I’ve been told to stop shouting about ending gun violence. Well, I haven’t been shouting. But sometimes, when a woman speaks out, some people think it’s shouting. But I won’t be silenced, and I hope you won’t be either.” Clinton doesn’t use Sanders’ name when she tells this story. She doesn’t have to: Everyone who saw the debate or heard about it knows she’s talking about him. She’s using the story to bond with women, to paint Sanders as a patronizing old fart, and to portray herself as a victim.


Let’s be clear: This isn’t what happened. During the debate exchange, Sanders answered O’Malley with the same point about “raising our voices.” Sanders has been giving this answer for years. He did it in July, after an O’Malley super PAC ad attacked him (“We have been yelling and screaming at each other about guns for decades,” said Sanders). He did it again in August, after a male surrogate for Clinton attacked him (“I can get beyond the noise and all of these arguments and people shouting at each other”). He did it again in October, after the mass shooting in Roseburg, Oregon (“People on both sides of this issue cannot simply continue shouting at each other”). Sanders gives this answer to everyone. The charitable explanation of Clinton’s behavior is that she sincerely perceived Sanders’ rebuke during the debate as sexist. But if that were true, you’d expect her to have said so in her first accounts of the exchange. She didn’t. She waited more than a week before embellishing the story. She prepared it as a sound bite for social media, and she unveiled it at a women’s forum. And it worked, so she’s still using it.

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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/10/hillary_clinton_is_smearing_bernie_sanders_as_a_sexist_it_s_an_insult_to.html

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Segami Oct 2015 OP
bravenak Oct 2015 #1
retrowire Oct 2015 #15
Bubzer Oct 2015 #40
billhicks76 Oct 2015 #53
cprise Oct 2015 #102
99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #2
UglyGreed Oct 2015 #3
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SunSeeker Oct 2015 #106
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Starry Messenger Oct 2015 #7
cprise Oct 2015 #104
Starry Messenger Oct 2015 #130
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Segami Oct 2015 #8
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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 02:20 PM

1. There is a lot of sexism in this world, but I do not see that as her accusing him.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 03:40 PM

15. no not a flat accusation

but both are being tactfully coy about the other.

in this case, she is inferring that his comment was directed at her and that it was rooted in gender and thusly, sexism.

nobody is calling anyone a sexist directly.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:50 PM

40. It's implied... which is often worse than being overt.

The overt stuff you can smack with a hammer. But when it's implied, if you try to refute it, the other person can look at you like your crazy because clearly, that's not really what they meant... but it'll seep into the American subconscious all the same.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:01 PM

53. The Shouting Spin Was A Smear

 

She's playing dirty like all rats do. His record is actually better because Hillary was anti-lesbian and Bernie was not. Hillary supported the bigots and was against gay marriage until she saw votes to be gained recently. I'm offended that people in our party could vote for such a charlatan.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 02:34 PM

102. She's implying sexism, for sure. n/t

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 02:23 PM

2. When your opponent has a spotless 30-year progressive record

 

and stays focused on ISSUES voters actually care about, well ... disingenuous smears
are about all Hillary has left, and she's clearly not above doing that.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 02:23 PM

3. She has card blanche

we are not expected to hold her responsible for her statements.

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Response to UglyGreed (Reply #3)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 03:31 PM

12. The whole world holds Hillary responsible for her Statements as well as the GOP

 



Hillary has never had card blanche, she is famous person:
everything she say and does is often twisted by people
who wish her Ill.

UglyGreed, you are just one more

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #12)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:51 PM

92. The truth is the truth

and no matter what anyone says, the truth can't be twisted.

I don't wish Hillary any ill will but her record speaks for itself and it's not pretty.

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Response to Unknown Beatle (Reply #92)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 02:58 PM

96. Hiilary record is of caring politics: Which is the Dem party! Go Hillary

 

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #96)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 03:05 PM

109. Her causes are like getting a $20 OFF coupon on a mugging

She doesn't do town halls and publicity tours when she is empowering bankers to yank to run out from under us.

Her support of "welfare to work", turning welfare into a form of indentured servitude, makes all her other causes put together look like a cynical PR campaign.

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Response to cprise (Reply #109)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 04:52 PM

123. She has been ava to the public 40 years: Everyone knows where she STands

 

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #123)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 05:15 PM

125. Empty rhetoric. n/t

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 02:23 PM

4. "SMEARING"!!!!!

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Response to zappaman (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:49 PM

39. Hi Sid!

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Response to BeanMusical (Reply #39)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:56 PM

46. Hi!

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 02:26 PM

5. This is going to bite her in the ass,

People who have been the victims of being discriminated against based on gender are not going to be happy with her making something out of a comment that wasn't even directed at her.

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Response to jkbRN (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 03:32 PM

13. Hillary is to classy to discriminate

 

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #13)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:06 PM

17. Maybe you didn't understand what I wrote,

I never said she was discriminating against people. In fact just the opposite, she is portraying herself as a victim of gender discrimination by using a comment that Bernie made about the two parties and applied it to herself. She is capatilizing on a comment that she twisted to fit a narritive of gender discrimination which does huge disservice to real victims.

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Response to jkbRN (Reply #17)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:15 PM

63. Hillary has never played the victim: She always fights!

 



She is not scarred of any fight or getting hurt:
she is a natural leader in public service.

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Response to jkbRN (Reply #17)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:17 PM

64. You looking for trouble because you are not supporting Hillary

 

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #64)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 07:07 PM

75. You're right, I do not support her.

But you are wrong on why I made the statement that I did. I will say it again (for the third time), she undermines real victims of gender discrimination by taking a comment that has nothing to do with her and trying to appear as though Bernie made a sexist comment about her. Hopefully you can comprehend what I am saying because I will not take the time to type it up for the fourth time.

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Response to jkbRN (Reply #75)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 03:36 PM

97. I will say it again Hillary has not claimed to be a victim: that is your attack on her!

 


Hillary, far from hurting victims of discrimination; Hillary
has been a great help to any all gender discrimination victims.

Hillary, has shown that when a woman is as competent as her,
they even has chance to be President of the US.


Hillary, far from claiming any victimization or discrimination,
has had great career so far: Win or lose Hillary is the first
women to run for President that most American will
feel safe with in the White House.

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #97)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:40 PM

98. She directly implies it.

Stop trying to convince yourself otherwise.

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Response to jkbRN (Reply #98)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 04:45 PM

99. Implies is your words: Not Hillary's: Implies is judgment call only

 

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Response to jkbRN (Reply #98)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 02:16 PM

100. You are directly implying: If Hillary wanted to accuse someone of something:

 



she would says so, she is not shy: You are making things
up to attack her. Find something constructive to do with
your time an attack the GOP

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Response to lewebley3 (Reply #97)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 02:51 PM

106. Exactly! Calling out sexism is the opposite of "playing the victim."

It means you're standing up for yourself--and other women-- and not taking the sexism.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #106)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 03:18 PM

112. Calling out non-existent sexism is playing the victim..

Why didn't Hillary call out Sanders alleged sexism right there on the stage? Is she slow on her feet? Is she incapable of defending herself? Or is it because it never existed until someone in her campaign suggested a couple days later that they could exploit some gullible people by implying it was sexist?

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Response to frylock (Reply #112)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 04:27 PM

120. It was a sexist line, whether he himself is sexist or not.

She can't be expected to keep jumping in to address every thing the other candidate's say. There was limited time, and she was trying to address the questions asked.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #120)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 04:37 PM

122. How was it sexist?

Spell it out for me.

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Response to frylock (Reply #122)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 05:18 PM

126. Sexists put down women who speak out as "hysterical," "bitches," "emotional" etc.

To tell a woman to stop shouting when she is not shouting, but stating her opinion, is to tell her to shut up, that she is being an irrational, emotional woman whose opinion is worthless. It conjures up all the sexist stereotyping of women by misogynists.

Sexists think women, like children, should be seen and not heard. They think women should be demure and subservient, because they are just not as smart as men and their opinions are worthless irrational histrionics.

Maybe Sanders did not mean that, but that is what his language conveyed.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #126)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 05:26 PM

128. When did Sanders tell her to stop shouting?

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #106)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 04:58 PM

124. Sexism is a judement in this case by you: who want to attack Hillary

 



Sorry, this attack is not going work! It just isn't true!

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Response to jkbRN (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:14 PM

62. you've got to stop biting her.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 02:26 PM

6. #HaveYouNoticedImAGirl

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 02:27 PM

7. Republican article author tries to find divisions where there are none, news at 11

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 02:47 PM

104. Uh, look at his columns. He's very liberal.

Anti-Bush, says today's Republican party "can't lead", Benghazi a sham, constantly criticizes them.

http://www.slate.com/authors.william_saletan.html

LOL

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Response to cprise (Reply #104)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 11:50 PM

130. LOL, yourself. Check his wiki.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #130)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 11:56 PM

131. I did - "Liberal Republican". You check his work!

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Response to cprise (Reply #131)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 12:00 AM

132. You just agreed with what I wrote.

He's a Republican, that's exactly what I said. I don't care what flavor of Republican you find acceptable. It's right-wing rat-fucking.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #132)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 12:10 AM

133. Some people would grant a Neocon his every

wish, so long as he could prove he was a registered Democrat.

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Response to cprise (Reply #133)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 12:46 AM

134. And some people excuse anything, as long as their opinions align.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #134)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:06 AM

135. Indeed. That's why neocons are finding themselves at home

with their new host. Their party brand is what matters to many; fitting-in is simple as pie.

But their opinions do matter to the triangulating brass.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 02:27 PM

8. "..Sanders’ record as a feminist..

 

" ....is as good as Clinton’s. No honest reading of his career or his comments about guns can construe him as a sexist. Clinton is trying to connect with women who have felt bullied by men, and to turn them against Sanders, by smearing him. And what’s true of racism and anti-Semitism is just as true of sexism: The more seriously you take the real thing, the more you should revile people who use it as a fraud.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 02:33 PM

9. I think we're about to find out who's rubber and who's glue. n/t

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #9)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 02:36 PM

10. I feel a breeze coming....

 

I think I'll put on a sweater.......

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #9)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:41 PM

71. Boing-fwip!

 

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 03:03 PM

11. Her disingenuousness will bring her undone

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Just like it did last time.

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Response to wezl (Reply #11)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:39 PM

27. Exactly. She got dirty and desperate in 2008...

 

She sucks.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 03:39 PM

14. Hillary doesn't know who her friends are

 

unless they can help her to get what she wants .This is my personal opinion .

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Response to olddots (Reply #14)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:23 PM

18. Interestingly her history indicates the exact opposite.

She's well known as a good and loyal friend over a lifetime.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #18)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:44 PM

34. Because she keeps in touch with grade school friends?

Is that the history you're referring to?

You will love this article then... all about how she and her eighth-grade friend were outraged that Kennedy had won over Nixon...
That weekend the two girls decided to volunteer with a group of Republicans who were checking voter lists against addresses, looking for voter fraud.... Ebeling and Rodham went on to become "Goldwater Girls" wearing cowgirl hats and helping to set up Goldwater's office in Park Ridge.


I wonder how many other Republican friends she keeps in touch with.

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Response to Ino (Reply #34)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:57 PM

49. Probably quite a few;

Political Donations

Workers in the finance, insurance and real estate industries donated $21 million to Hillary’s 2008 presidential campaign, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Securities and investment workers were her third largest source of campaign donations behind lawyers and retirees. Citigroup Inc. (C) employees donated $765,192, more than employees of any other company. Goldman Sachs (GS) employees were next, with donations of $682,990. DLA Piper was in fourth place, Morgan Stanley (MS) was fifth and JPMorgan Chase & Co (JPM) was sixth. However, a review of filings from Ready for Hillary, a political action committee, shows few banker or investor supporters. Clinton associate Tom Nides, a Morgan Stanley executive, has begun lining up support and donations for Hillary on Wall Street, according to a November report in Politico.


Read more: Hillary Clinton's Wall Street Ties (AXP,BAC,DB,GS,HSBC,JPM,OUBSF,WFC,C,TD,MS) http://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/030415/hillary-clintons-wall-street-ties.asp#ixzz3pi3vUcl4
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Response to Ino (Reply #34)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:43 PM

72. Mrs. Clintons amazing. Not many 8th graders were involved in politics & elections-

50 years ago? It never pays to burn bridges in politics.

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Response to Ino (Reply #34)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 07:12 PM

77. OMG! The HAAAAIIIIIRRRRRRR!

I wonder how long it took her to do that hair.....and yes, I do mean the donald.

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Response to Ino (Reply #34)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:12 PM

79. So what? She has Republican friends. So do I. You should see my relatives.

Her daughter is friends with Trump's daughter too. HORRORS.

She jokingly referred to the GOP as The Enemy. HORRORS.

She didn't throw over her old friends when they developed differences. HORRORS.

She was a 60s Republican, when she was a child. HORRORS.

I'm not impressed.



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Response to nolabear (Reply #79)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:22 PM

90. You know what doesn't impress me?

...a vague "history shows she's a loyal friend"

I didn't know Chelsea was friends with Trump's daughter. Well, what would one expect of a hedge fund manager, right? Thanks for that tidbit.

Interesting that you think she was JOKING when she called the Repukes enemies. I agree with you there. She is in bed with the movers & shakers of the Repuke Party. It's really only the rank-and-file Repukes who hate her.

Here's what some other person was doing in the 60s, which I do find impressive...

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Response to Ino (Reply #90)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:47 PM

91. Okay, here's a question. How will Bernie get things done?

Make no mistake. I agree with him on pretty much everything. I support Hillsry, which I'm sure is obvious. She and he agree on most social issues and I'm to her left on foreign policy. But how does a Lone Ranger ride into office and implement policy by himself with a Republican Congress? The "Repuke" monicker is emblematic of what I think will keep us at a stalemate. This is a divided country and we need to figure out how to actually move it toward liberal policies rather than continue to go at one another with hatred and contempt. I hate what the GOP stands for but I, like Hillary, don't see my Republican family and friends as "pukes." So again, how's he going to do it? I really want to know.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #91)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 12:03 AM

93. The same way he has been getting things done...

This thread has many examples, if you're really interested...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251605502

Here's what he's not going to do...
He's not going to start out negotiating from the right, offering to sacrifice things like Social Security to try to get Repukes to agree to something.

How does Hillary plan to get things done? I hear this over and over... that she's the only one who can get things done with Repukes. How will she do this when...

1. They are already planning to impeach her as soon as she enters office. There will be endless investigations, however silly they are. They haven't yet touched her trading State Dept. favors for "donations" to the Clinton Foundation and "speaking fees." But it's coming, make no mistake.

2. She is taking a hard line on gun control. How is that going to go over with the Second Amendment freaks? Isn't Sanders' more reasonable position more likely to result in legislation limiting assault weapons and such? And yet, he's being reviled for that.

3. Your question works both ways -- How does a hated Clinton ride into office and implement policy by herself with a Repuke Congress?! Not just a Clinton, but Hillary Clinton, who doesn't even have Bill's saving grace of charm?

4. She calls them her enemies. If she wasn't joking, how is that going to help get things done?

5. Most importantly, if she was joking about Repukes being her enemies, I don't think we'll like what she does get done. Wall Street loves her, and all her recent progressive "conversions" will conveniently go out the window as soon as she needs to "compromise" or "sacrifice something" in order to "get things done." What will she offer up as soon as they threaten to shut down the government? Take a look at Obama's efforts to placate Repukes, then multiply by 10. It's very telling that Greenspan called Bill Clinton the best Republican president we've had. And Hillary promises to be an even better Republican president.

Don't worry, Hillary doesn't call them Repukes. The former President of the Young Republicans Club is, to this day, proud to have been a Goldwater Girl. "I am proud I was a Goldwater girl." She'll be only too happy to work with them, when they let her.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #91)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 03:22 PM

113. Get stuff done like this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251737393

So should Sanders work with Republicans to get things done or not?

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Response to Ino (Reply #90)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 02:57 PM

108. What does that have to do with whether or not what he said was sexist? nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #108)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 03:09 PM

110. Nothing

It has to do with the conversation I was having with nolabear, nothing to do with the OP.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #18)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:54 PM

44. Goldman Sachs would agree with you.

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Response to Bubzer (Reply #44)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:14 PM

80. This isn't about that and you can't twist it to make it about that.

Although there seems to be no end to trying.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #80)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 10:02 AM

94. There's no twisting necessary. It's already true.

Just as Bernie's voting record speaks for itself, Hillary's actions and associations with corporations and banks speak quite loudly. It's well known that her top donors are banks and corporations. It's equally well known that banks and corporations don't donate without some kind of assurances of quid-pro-quo.

I'd like nothing more than to have two qualified candidates that were both of great integrity. I'd love to have that embarrassment of riches... but the fact that Hillary must evolve to be on the right side of issues makes her a Johnny-come-lately who's looking for political expediency.

Hillary will have a hard time escaping her speaking arrangements with the big banks... and her sudden-but-inevitable change to follow political winds against the TPP, in spite of calling it the gold standard. There are so many reasons to not vote for her, and few reasons to trust her. That her buddies at Goldman Sachs will be expecting political favors is just one of those.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 03:56 PM

16. Most women are too smart to fall for this kind of nonsense.

 

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Response to fbc (Reply #16)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:32 PM

23. But apparantly not DU posters

 

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #23)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:45 PM

35. Most Hillary supporters here are "anything to elect a democrat" types

 

They think Hillary is more electable (even though recent poles show this is not the case)

This is not a new divide on this site. There are those of us who have a "we must elect a democrat at any cost" mentality. And there are those of us who think "Electing a bad democrat who is really more of a republican does nothing but hurt the party in the long run."

To the first group a "bad candidate" is a candidate that can't win. To the second group a "bad candidate" is a candidate who does not represent democratic values, either social or economic.

I am firmly in the second camp. When you put up a republican lite candidate in a red area, you might have a better shot of winning one election, but you do nothing to spread and mobilize the true democratic message among the people in that area. And you disillusion a huge amount of potential democratic voters in other parts of the US when they see democrats who are no better than republicans.

It all comes down to winning at all costs vs good policy.

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Response to fbc (Reply #35)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:53 PM

43. I haven't decided who I will vote for in the Primary

 

But Any Democrat in the WH is far better than a Republican.

With 3-4 SCOTUS nominations likely in the next few years, the future of our country is at stake.





This should be painfully obvious to all. Even Sanders agrees.

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #43)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:57 PM

47. Two things:

 

1) There aren't any republicans in the democratic primary, so vote your heart.
2) Recent polls show Donald Trump beating Hillary Clinton in a general election but losing to Bernie Sanders.

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Response to fbc (Reply #47)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:11 PM

58. And I will

 

And I am not going to base my vote on polls in October.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:24 PM

19. Man, things can really get turned around and twisted here to smear CLINTON, not Sanders.

Amazing.

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Response to George II (Reply #19)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:31 PM

22. She twisted something he said to make it appear he is a sexist...when it had no gender aspect at all

 

That would be a smear.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #22)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:06 PM

56. Can you articulate how the statement that she made was "sexist".

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Response to George II (Reply #56)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:12 PM

61. Her statement wasn't sexist

 

Just disingenuous and opportunistic.

I'll let Clinton, and CNN and Bernie say it much better than I

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/25/politics/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-gun-control-shouting/

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:28 PM

20. Once lost

In one week's time Hillary Clinton won my respect and then lost it, now there is no chance she will ever recover my respect or gain my vote.

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Response to Worldly Traveler (Reply #20)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:40 PM

29. Ooh, another Pride and Prejudice fan.

Welcome!

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Response to Worldly Traveler (Reply #20)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:57 PM

48. flip flp in a week? maybe next week you'll be loving The Donald.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #48)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 05:39 PM

129. I don't know. I'm kind of enjoying The Donald pointing out all the Republican's baggage

that they don't want acknowledged. There's certain taboos that Republicans just don't speak of about each other and he's breaking nearly every one of them. I'll say this, he's way more entertaining as a candidate than he ever was as an entertainer (though also scarier).

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Response to Worldly Traveler (Reply #20)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:58 PM

50. Oh the drama

I'm sorry, but this is a bit over the top, don't you think?

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:29 PM

21. She did not mention bernie at all

and is correct that women will be criticized for how they speak, especially something like a raised voice.

Not everything is about Bernie.

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Response to treestar (Reply #21)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:37 PM

26. No she doesn't have to mention him by name

 

That would be too honest and owning her own distortions.

Sanders made a generic reference to "we can shout about guns" which would refer to males as well as females, and now she says with that impish grin (is impish a sexist term? I never know these days) that "some people" tell her she shouts to much, and that people always say that to strong women (slight paraphrased).

One of those famous slippery (is that a sexist term? I never know these days) things she says that allow her to say something filled with innuendo and inferences, but then to say "Who me? I never really said that."



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Response to treestar (Reply #21)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 07:20 PM

78. Don't tell them everything is not about bernie

If Bernie and his supporters think this is a smear against Bernie boy are they in for a rude awaking .
Wait till the loops of comments he has said over 30 yrs of why he doesn't join the party he's running under
The republicans will not let him see daylight.
She didn't do attacks on sanders
He would fold like a cheap suit if he had to endure all the attacks that Hillary has gone through

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:33 PM

24. This thread should be entitled "DU Poster attempts to SMEAR Hillary by false accusations"

 

DU Poster also demands the House GOP investigate

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:33 PM

25. He did write an insanely sexist essay once.

 

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #25)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:40 PM

28. Yes he did.

 

He owned up to it, admitted it was totally stupid.

You never did anything stupid or foolish? I know I have, as has every single person I know.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #25)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:51 PM

41. Hillary solicited and received donations to her foundation....

from some of the biggest human rights abusers and most misogynistic countries on the planet....

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Response to raindaddy (Reply #41)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:55 PM

45. donations that were used to help thousands of people.

guess that makes the Foundation more like Robin Hood

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #45)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:58 PM

51. Or Al Capone.

He funded soup kitchens when he wasn't busy killing his rivals too.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #45)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:19 PM

65. Her dept also sold them weapons...

Did Robin Hood sell weapons to the Sheriff of Nottingham?

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Response to raindaddy (Reply #65)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:24 PM

66. The Clinton Foundation has benefited thousands of people.

Very baggerlike to degrade that Foundation.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #66)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 07:04 PM

74. While the Clinton foundation has benefitted people ....

But to ship millions of dollars worth of arms to countries that are some of the worlds biggest human rights abusers, countries that treat women as second class citizens then exploit the fact that she's a woman candidate is the height of hypocrisy.

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Response to raindaddy (Reply #74)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 07:10 PM

76. we're lucky to live in America, very few countries have it good like us.

Most people can't afford to be isolationists if they want to enjoy the world or 'serve' in our Government.

But in America you can be as cloistered as you want, as odd as a 3 eyed Owl. Or 'think/type words' that a Charity Foundation sells guns??

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #76)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:17 PM

81. Charities don't sell arms but the State Dept. negotiates arms sales...


So we're isolating ourselves by refusing to sell arms to Algeria? From Hilary's own State Dept on Algeria ...“restrictions on freedom of assembly and association,” tolerating “arbitrary killing,” “widespread corruption” and a “lack of judicial independence.” You can add human trafficking, mostly women to the list.

But she claims that "the Iranians" are her greatest enemy? A country unlike Saudi Arabia where women can at least drive a car, hold office, own a business go to college...

Just a snapshot of what Hillary's ideology on human rights and foreign policy looks like.

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Response to raindaddy (Reply #81)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:22 PM

83. not sure what you're talking about. The Clinton Foundation is a Charity, they don't sell guns.

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Response to raindaddy (Reply #84)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:30 PM

85. So what, plenty of very wealthy people and countries have donated to charities.

And they have regular businesses and countries to run at the same time they donate to charities.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #85)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:43 PM

86. I can totally understand why Hillary's your candidate.

The perfect justification and catchall phrase for Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Plenty of people are making millions selling arms to any country that can come up with the cash.

Plenty of politicians receive hundreds of thousands of dollars to give speeches to Wall Street banks then refuse to support Warren's Glass-Steagall Act.

We don't need laws to regulate the corrupt banking system when we have a President who will tell them to, cut it out.

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Response to raindaddy (Reply #86)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:46 PM

87. shes not my candidate. I like both Sanders and Mrs Clinton.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #87)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:56 PM

89. Then you can't lose. Enjoy the primary.....

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:41 PM

30. This is pretty weak.

 

Still fair for debate. Have at it.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #30)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:29 PM

68. Its a different flavor of the war on Christmas.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:42 PM

31. Bernie supporters wouldn't believe a word Clinton said

even about the weather. She says rain, and we check for ourselves.

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #31)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:44 PM

32. Do you blame us?

 

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #31)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:48 PM

38. In this case, it's not fucking TRUE. Admit it. n/t

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #31)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:00 PM

52. Well, she does have a pretty shoddy record at forecasting.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:44 PM

33. A front runner shouldn't have to do this

I honestly don't know why she is taking part in this kind of politics. A proper front runner shouldn't have to engage in this kind of crap. There aren't many acceptable explanations:

1) She honestly believes Bernie attacked her for being a woman. Someone in her staff probably should have reviewed this and told her this wasn't the case. I don't know how or why she would come to this conclusion at all.

2) She thinks she needs to keep attacking him. If you are twenty points ahead you do not need to run negative or toss off any negative stories. Maybe this is the Carville-Anvil technique being employed. Maybe she wants Bernie out of the race as soon as possible so she can race back to her comfort zone in the center.

3) Internal polling data from her campaign has her worried. Maybe the post debate bounce wasn't as bouncey as they had hoped. Maybe her performance is being seen as a performance and the "win" of the debates isn't translating to support.

4) She is more worried now about Bernie being the alternative candidate. There is no Biden. Chafee and Web are gone. O'Malley still isn't getting a lot of heat. To the Clinton campaign it really is looking like Hillary versus Bernie and it is inevitable that someone is going to start comparing and contrasting positions, records, and consistency.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:46 PM

36. Her lies will come to light soon

 

She can shout all she wants, but it still doesn't make it true. Ms. Sniper fire is at it again.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:47 PM

37. She's making me sick, using a GOP tactic. It's dirty politics and it's awful. n/t

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:52 PM

42. Bernie Sanders doesn't 'feel smeared.' I wish his supporters were more like Senator Sanders.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #42)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:08 PM

57. I wish Mrs. Clinton were more like Senator Sanders. nt

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Response to thereismore (Reply #57)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:12 PM

60. She is, they are very similar people. Different way of speaking of course.

They are on the same team.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #60)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 02:56 PM

107. LOL!

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #60)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 03:47 PM

115. You got to be kidding. LOL

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:04 PM

54. Employing rovian tactics.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:05 PM

55. So the first 3 threads on this nonsense weren't enough?

It was lame before and it's lame now.

Assuming intent + putting words into Clinton's mouth = nonsense

But please, by all means keep flogging the dead horse.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:11 PM

59. sounds like a Brian Williams misremembers.......

except she should be correcting this. so she's more pro gun than Bernie is by actions (or lack there of) and people root for this. nice... ie she's still going on the false logic she won the debate. she keeps this up she'll be like Mitt Romney. smh

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:28 PM

67. It's amazing. Hillary had actually built up some goodwill among Bernie supporters after that hearing

and now she's blown it on something totally silly. I'm sad to see her play the "I'm a poor, victimized woman" card.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:36 PM

69. Could backfire.

I like her and support her, and wish she would be a little less cocky. She did well at the so called hearing. Would be good to keep that approach.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:38 PM

70. i have known Bernie for decades as one who happens to be one of his constituents...

 

to characterize Bernie as a sexist is way way beyond the pale...Bernie has and shows the utmost respect to all people..not just women..all people...what you see is what you get..and by the way..this recent complaint from the clinton campaign to paint is latest push back on the issues as 'negative'...sorry...to address the issues is not negative..it is called the primary process

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 05:56 PM

73. Starting a whisper campaign

how shallow.I can only wonder if she dare call out Bill Clinton.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:17 PM

82. What can you say.

 

Politics is rough and tumble. Let's just hope no one from the Clinton camp floats a picture of Mr. Sanders wearing a turban while visiting Kenya. That would be ugly.

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Response to portlander23 (Reply #82)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 10:56 AM

95. Hillaryis

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:51 PM

88. Yeah, it's been a bad couple of weeks for the Sanders campaign.

Plenty of time to turn it around though!

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 02:27 PM

101. nixatonian dirty tricks and smears is how hillary rolls.....

 

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 02:49 PM

105. She knows how to play the game. That's why she'll win both the primary and GE.

 

I do appreciate her Machiavellianism every now and then.

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Response to StrongBad (Reply #105)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 03:44 PM

114. She played the game in 2008.

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Response to frylock (Reply #114)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 04:00 PM

117. Sanders is no Obama.

 

Everyone who voted Obama over Hillary in the 2008 primaries knows Hillary and whether they like her or not. If Sanders was an acceptable alternative they would already be lined up behind him.


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Response to StrongBad (Reply #117)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 04:07 PM

118. HA! I was going to pre-empt your reply with your reply!

So predictable. You guys should just make that your sig line. In any case, you're right. Sanders is no Obama. He is polling better than Obama at this stage, has more donors than Obama did at this stage, and is pulling bigger crowds than Obama did at this stage.

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Response to frylock (Reply #118)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 04:08 PM

119. Stating plain facts make for a boring sig line.

 

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 03:13 PM

111. Utter fantasy. n/t

 

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 03:54 PM

116. Isn't that how she operates? Sure it is.

 

Says just enough to inflame the gullible. Gets what she wants and maintains quasi-plausible deniability.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 05:18 PM

127. Identity politics - the last refuge of people who have nothing else to offer. n/t

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