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Mon Oct 26, 2015, 01:50 AM

 

TNBernie: Wow, I can't believe her... As a woman myself,

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"Wow, I can't believe her... As a woman myself, I always have to deal with people telling me that sexism is "bullshit" or just an excuse women use when they can't admit they're wrong, etc. So, I know where Hillary is coming from, and I always love it when powerful women call out sexist behaviors... but this is not what Hillary did. She did not call out sexist behavior, she took a real, sexist phenomenon and then dishonestly manufactured a situation to serve as an attack on her fellow candidates.

Seeing and hearing influential women like Hillary take a real sexist phenomenon and apply it to a situation where it doesn't belong is really upsetting, and is potentially very damaging to the progress women work so hard for. This will only give shitty people more ammo: "See, sexism isn't real! It's just something you liberal hippy women use when you want to win an argument!"

She is a powerful woman who is trying to champion gender equality; I know she has valuable insight into sexism and politics, and we should at least try to listen to her, even if we don't agree with her politically. But right now she's using her position of power dishonestly and is risking her and fellow women's credibility when it comes to calling out sexism. And that, to me, is the worst thing about this attack. I'm mad that she's lying about Bernie, but I'm way more upset that she's making women lose credibility and giving sexist shitheads more ammo against us..

Hillary, if you want to use your gender as a selling point for you campaign, have at it. I understand the appeal and actually don't see it as a "bad" point, just different from the rest of the candidates. But don't frame a problem as a sexist one if it isn't there. Don't throw progress under the bus in favor to bring down and attack candidates. The candidates aren't the only victims of these attacks. You're stunting progress and losing credibility that so many women (yourself included) have fought for."

- TNBernie

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Reply TNBernie: Wow, I can't believe her... As a woman myself, (Original post)
grahamhgreen Oct 2015 OP
99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #1
dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #2
grahamhgreen Oct 2015 #7
Skittles Oct 2015 #4
dreamnightwind Oct 2015 #3
Enthusiast Oct 2015 #5
leftofcool Oct 2015 #6
grahamhgreen Oct 2015 #8
Fawke Em Oct 2015 #9
thesquanderer Oct 2015 #10
grahamhgreen Oct 2015 #11
restorefreedom Oct 2015 #12

Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 01:54 AM

1. Which attack are we talking about? I'm starting to lose track. -nt-

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:13 AM

2. My money's on this one:

Shouting.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=723623

But then I might be losing track as well.

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Response to dreamnightwind (Reply #2)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 01:03 PM

7. You are correct!

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:51 AM

4. it is indeed getting hard to keep track

fever pitch

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:15 AM

3. exactly

Nice to see women of integrity call her on it. Sexism is very real, and shouldn't be claimed merely for convenience or political expedience, as was the case in the shouting claim, assuming that's what the OP is about.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 07:11 AM

5. Kicked and recommended!

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 07:47 AM

6. Bernie really should stop telling women not to shout.

So should Donald Trump and the NRA.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 01:03 PM

8. He didn't.

 

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 01:06 PM

9. Bernie didn't tell her not to shout.

But Mr. Sanders’s past comments about gun control suggest that his “shouting” line is just that – a favored turn of phrase that he has used regularly in the past few months, long before Mrs. Clinton released her plan to address gun violence.

In July, Mr. Sanders, senator of Vermont, said that people needed to “stop shouting at each other” on the issue of guns. In August, he said that “people shouting at each other” about gun control “is not doing anybody any good.” And on Oct. 1, reacting to the mass shooting at a community college in Oregon, he said that the nation needed to “get beyond the shouting” on the issue.


http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/25/hillary-clinton-takes-jab-at-bernie-sanderss-shouting-remark/

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 03:15 PM

10. Yeah, he wasn't telling women not to shout

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 03:22 PM

11. You agree that's not what he said, correct?

 

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 03:31 PM

12. this victim and gender strategy is getting old quick

but hey, if she wants to speed along her inevitable decline, who am i to stand in the way?

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