Nothing presented on this website will convince me to support Hillary Clinton

[whatchamacallit]

Zip, zilch, nada... Unless you enjoy spamming op-eds and polls of no consequence, you might want to find something more productive to do with your time. I'm going for a lovely evening walk among the trees.

[onehandle]

1. Luckily, she doesn't need you.

[sabrina 1]

13. She doesn't need any of us. She has the Corporations behind her. Only problem is that this is the

first election where the Money in Politics happens to be a top, #1 Issue for 80% of the electorate.

So we'll see who needs who.

Btw, that's not a very 'winning' tactic, telling voters 'we don't need you'!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

17. Agree 100%...the Bernie haters are in full force after Hillary's 1st good week!...would be almost comical if it wasn't so sad.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[sabrina 1]

39. I don't know why they thought it was such a good week. What I saw was a bunch of politicians

spending an inordinate of time on the wrong questions regarding Libya. The investigation should have been about why we invaded and destabilized that sovereign nation in the first place. And turned a once advanced African nation into a horrific hell hole for the people we SAID we were going there to 'save'.

But I understand that they couldn't do that because all of them are FOR the neocon/PNAC invasions. So instead they focus on something that both parties can use for political purposes.

[whatchamacallit]

40. +scads n/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

88. Excellent points!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[closeupready]

32. Haha, yup, Sabrina. She doesn't need voters; she's got $$$ and sycophants!

[brooklynite]

89. And yet, she has voters too...

...18-20 Million based on 2008. And notwithstanding NH, looks like she's on track to match or exceed that.

[closeupready]

90. Well then. What else is there to say.

She's going to be the nominee, you should be ecstatic.

The general is something else, but y'all probably know exactly how you're going to win that, too, so good luck.

[DianeK]

16. wow...

pretty sure Hillary would not be too happy with this kind of support!

[artislife]

47. Great.

The feeling is mutual between H and me.

[Scootaloo]

51. Clinton doesn't need progressives? Fascinating!

[randys1]

54. Dont say that. The republicans desire to kill Women who have sex without their permission

is a driving desire and they will do anything to get there.

We need everybody we can get.

Any vote not for the Democratic candidate, whoever that is, is a vote for dead Women. That much is a fact.

[Android3.14]

64. Just like any vote not for Bernie Sanders is a vote approving 500,000 dead Iraq War victims?

Just askin'.

[randys1]

72. In the GE, you betcha...you do understand the importance of voting any dem in the GE?

[Android3.14]

77. As long as we have a Dem candidate, you can count on my vote

For you, Democrat is only a label.

I bet you would vote for Joe Leiberman if he were the candidate.

But I must say, your admission that you approve the deaths of over 500,000 innocent people doesn't make Hillary look any better.

[randys1]

79. So you wont vote for Hillary if she is the GE candidate?

[Android3.14]

80. Oh goody, another Loyalty Oather

You're such a PATRIOT Act patriot.

[randys1]

81. So no...got it

I can spend my energy on someone who will, maybe get them a ride or something

[HassleCat]

2. Does that mean?

You categorically refuse to vote or her if she is the Democratic nominee? Hypothetically, I could see myself supporting a Republican. Maybe Teddy Roosevelt or Bob LaFollette, but that's unlikely.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. You forgot Lincoln, Grant, Frederick Douglass, and Thaddeus Stevens

eom

[valerief]

53. But the Republican Party of Lincoln became the Democratic Party of today. nt

[Ed Suspicious]

34. I categorically refuse to vote against my, and my loved one's, own interest. I categorically refuse

play your stupid little "enemies list" game.

[NuclearDem]

3. You don't say!

You seemed so unsure.

[brooklynite]

4. I see -- so it's all about you?

Well, nothing, absent a hard analysis on electability, will convince me to support Bernie Sanders, but please do keep posting.

[Fearless]

25. If you choose not to believe the evidence when presented why should we continue to present it?

[davidn3600]

29. Usually when you vote, it is all about you

YOUR vote is based on YOUR feelings and YOUR beliefs and what's important to YOU.

Most people don't vote for their neighbor's beliefs or even their spouse's beliefs.

[artislife]

44. I know.

It isn't like I will be voting for them and their interests.

Such a funny way to persuede people to vote for h. Why doesn't she just ask for our ballots and tick it off for us?

They want us to fall on our swords for them.



Especially Staten Island! Don't they have enough of what should be ours already?

[sabrina 1]

41. No it's about all the people who who die, remember them, in our neocon invasions of Iraq, Libya

and wherever else we are dropping bombs these days. Do the deaths of US Troops at least, dead because of lies told, bother you at all?

For you to accuse people who will NOT forget these wars for profit or the hundreds of thousands of human beings who suffered and sure didn't profit from them, of thinking of only themselves, says a whole lot more about you than about them.

[pacalo]

5. You're not ready for a steady stream of inevitable committee investigations

for the next four years?

And think of the voluminous accusations of 'sexist' remarks that will take over DU!

You're just not adventurous enough!

[thucythucy]

19. You honestly think the Republicans will be "kinder and gentler"

to President Sanders? Really?

No bogus "scandals"? No obstruction? They'll just roll over and play nice because.... because....

I think just as the election of the first African American president drove the racists into frantic overdrive, the election of the first Jewish president--whether he's practicing or not--and regardless of anything he does in reality--will similarly show us just how deeply anti-Semitism runs among the GOP/Teabagger zealots.

Not that this in any way should impact whether or not we support Bernie, but to think he'll have an easier time with the Fox News/Rush Limbaugh hate industry than either Clinton or Obama is just delusional. And I sure do hope that there are people in the Sanders campaign already trying to come up with ways to meet the inevitable shit-storm the GOP has in store for them.

[pacalo]

22. Bernie's personality will serve him well.

[Armstead]

33. Let's put it this way

The right-wing GOP is going to raise a perpetual shitstorm no matter what Democrat runs or gets elected.

Then we might as well give them something substantial to get upset about -- like a truly progressive set of positions on issues, rather than the fodder for meaningless distractions that Clinton has given them over the years.

[thucythucy]

92. I agree.

I just hope the Sanders campaign is truly ready for this. I've read comments here that simply deny Senator Sanders will face that kind of opposition, or (as you can read up thread) that Bernie's "personality" will deflect the shitstorm.

I'm old enough to remember how Dukakis essentially rolled over and allowed the GOP to define him, somehow thinking that remaining "above the fray" would play well with voters. It was painful to watch. Senator Sanders has never had to face the kind of malicious, bigoted, ignorant and downright sociopathic campaign the GOP will wage against him. If he does win the nomination, I sure as hell hope he's got some people plotting this all out.

[Metric System]

6. I guess you have nothing to lose and aren't worried about the Supreme Court.

[sabrina 1]

14. The SC is why I am a Bernie supporter. Thanks for the reminder.

[Ed Suspicious]

37. +1

[Fearless]

26. Fearmongering, nothing else

[randys1]

60. Wait, are you saying if a con takes the WH there is nothing to fear about their

appointments to the SC?

I need to clarify that, this seems to be what you are saying.

Is it?

[Fearless]

65. I'm saying that the poster is creating a scenario to prove a point.

The problem is the scenario is false.

It proves no point.

It is fearmongering.

[randys1]

73. No answer then?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

91. The Supreme Court is, perhaps, my biggest worry - another reason this country needs a real progressive like Bernie!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[procon]

7. Less grandstanding might convince me not to read these daily proclamations. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. This might be the most self referential thread in the history of this site.

[MohRokTah]

10. That's funny, I feel the same way about Sanders. eom

[sabrina 1]

15. Warning! Loyalty oath coming up. 'Does that mean you won't vote for the Democratic Nominee'?

[Ed Suspicious]

38. He/She would argue that Bernie isn't enough a Democrat so he makes no promises. I argue that

Hillary is a "compassionate conservative" and I reserve the same right.

"I reserve the right to sit out any election where there is no Democrat on the ballot."

[sabrina 1]

42. Bernie is the best Democratic candidate I've seen in a long time.

[Ed Suspicious]

49. Absolutely. Compassionate conservatives who expropriate the Democratic name for their

own ill-fitting, twisted ideology beg to differ.

[restorefreedom]

45. oh hell yeah. +1 nt

[artislife]

46. A socialist!

He doesn't give big business, big pharma and big agra their due!

[zappaman]

11. Ok. n/t

[NCTraveler]

12. Common knowledge. Nt

[AndreaCG]

18. Who cares in the primary

In the general, if you want to screw over all the democrats in the country and any offspring you have by de facto helping to put a republican in, it's your conscience to deal with.

[Starry Messenger]

20. That's nice.

[mythology]

21. I wasn't aware everybody here was posting for your benefit

I must have missed that in the instructions when signing up for the site. Can you please provide a list of appropriate topics so that we can make sure we aren't wasting your precious time?

But I find it quite sad that some people are so close minded that they honestly believe that there is nothing that could change their mind. And to be proud of that fact is just mind-boggling to me.

[JoePhilly]

28. Welcome to whatchamacallitUnderground!!

[treestar]

59. +1

a bit egotistical there, to think our focus is that.

[MineralMan]

24. Well, thanks for letting us know - again.

We'll certainly not direct our arguments at you, then, in the future, as we have apparently and constantly been doing so far. Please feel free to ignore my posts hereafter. They are not directed at you. They are designed to treat the presidential election as the national event it is, with every state voting both in primaries and the general election.

They are designed to point out the differences between Democratic and Republican candidates and policies in general. They are designed to help us choose a Democrat who will win the election and prevent all three branches of government from being controlled by Republicans.

That's apparently of no interest to you, so you're right to ignore all such posts if you've already made up your mind to simply not support the Democratic nominee if he or she is not the person you support.

As for myself, I will do as I have done in every presidential election since my first in 1968. I will vote for the Democratic nominee, because the alternative is unthinkable.

I invite you to skip over any thread-starting post I write. Or, as an alternative, you could use DU's Ignore feature to avoid seeing anything I write here. It's your choice, of course.

Either way, do, please pay careful attention to what you write on DU. I never like to see anyone become unable to post due to intemperate use of language in their posts.

[Agschmid]

31. Nailed it.

[BainsBane]

27. So you think the only reason anyone posts is for your benefit?

Interesting.

[stopbush]

30. So you'll be voting for the Republican in 2016, correct?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

35. Shame on you! Obviously, you are one of those evil people who think for themselves! K&R

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all." --Thomas Jefferson

[NCTraveler]

36. Water is wet. nt.

[cwydro]

43. I'm still undecided.

Nothing either side says here will convince me.

The petty squabbling between certain posters of both sides only makes them all look silly.

[artislife]

48. There is always Martin O'Malley

He has the best supporters and he is looking pretty good.

I love the way he embraced the Muslim community this last week, especially. He has my admiration. I had no clue who he was before this site.

It is a shame he and Bernie aren't at the top. I would feel good about 2016, if they were my two choices.

[Scootaloo]

57. Go for Vermin Supreme. He's a wizard! He promises ponies! He's what America needs!

[randome]

50. You should de-list your username, then. Otherwise, the threads will be ringing off the hook for you.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)[/center][/font][hr]

[whatchamacallit]

52. Telemarketing is an apt analogy n/t

[quickesst]

55. Nothing presented on this website will convince me to support Bernie Sanders....

...in the primary. This is the difference in letting hate override common sense for the common good. Hope you enjoyed your walk.

[whatchamacallit]

58. I did

Thanks.

[quickesst]

67. Good for you

I need to start walking more myself. ,and doing less of this.

[whatchamacallit]

69. Haha

been there

[randys1]

61. You added "in the primary", important...While I am voting FOR Bernie, in the primary, I would say

only a team of predators could stop me from voting for whoever the Dem candidate is in the GE.

Fortunately, once the primary season is over, NOBODY who refuses to vote for the Dem party will be allowed on this site.

The damage being done by some will be stopped, finally.

[treestar]

56. I wouldn't say that about Bernie

I would consider it to be close minded, in case over time I found a reason to.

You're just m making it about teams now. Should be us vs. Republicans, and here you are making it about BS vs. Hillary - don't work up such a hatred against a democrat that you are reluctant to vote for them. Seems odd if you can work up such a hatred of other Democrats and be a Democrat.

[whatchamacallit]

63. I'd love to be open to Hillary changing my mind

Problem is, if she did something profound enough to change my opinion, her shapeshifting reputation would make it difficult it to believe. I'm a democrat until after this election, then I'm switching to independent.

[Maedhros]

66. Hillary is every bit a part of the cabal that is turning this country into an oligarchy

as any Republican. She will not get my vote.

[Thinkingabout]

70. I hear the same from RWers, interesting, they use the same talking points also.

[whatchamacallit]

74. Glad you're thinkingabout

... it?

[Tipperary]

71. I see the same few names on both sides continually posting nanny-nanny-boo-boo threads.

It is the same people every time on these type threads. It appears these same supporters of whichever candidate just want to poke the others in the eye every few threads. I find it boring on one level and endlessly amusing on another level. I have not seen the O'Malley camp getting into these pissing contests, so good on ya O'Malley folks!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

75. Awesome thread, really !!!

[whatchamacallit]

76. So you keep telling me n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

78. Simply The Best

[workinclasszero]

82. You are just following Bernies lead so

no surprises here.

I'm just shocked at democrats that actually believe a man that says things like this....

“My own feeling is that the Democratic Party is ideologically bankrupt.”

“We have to ask ourselves, ‘Why should we work within the Democratic Party if we don’t agree with anything the Democratic Party says?’”

Is somehow on their side? And they trust him to not go third party if he is denied the nomination of the party he so clearly holds in contempt.

Crazy

[whatchamacallit]

84. The more I read those quotes, the more they ring true

Pro tip: It's hard to scandalize with the truth.

[workinclasszero]

85. Good. Then I hope Bernie..

and his followers will drop the stupid fiction of being democrats and tell the truth for once.

I want to hear Bernies REAL views on the democratic party in the next debate. you know like this....


"You don’t change the system from within the Democratic Party.”

“My own feeling is that the Democratic Party is ideologically bankrupt.”

“We have to ask ourselves, ‘Why should we work within the Democratic Party if we don’t agree with anything the Democratic Party says?’”

Lets cut out the horse**** and get right on down to what Bernie Sanders really thinks. I don't think he has the ****s to do it though!

[whatchamacallit]

86. What does "being democrats" mean

I'm registered as a democrat and that's how I tend to vote, is there more to it?

[Renew Deal]

87. That makes you unreasonable

[bigwillq]

93. Awesome. So happy you shared.

[Lil Missy]

94. I'll alert the media.