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pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 12:19 PM Aug 2012

CURRENT Social Security/Medicare recipients face financial ruin if Romney/Ryan get their way.

Even if they don't care what happens to their children's benefits, or the benefits of their younger siblings, friends, relatives, they will care about this issue because it directly affects all married couples over 65.

In Ryan's plan, married elderly people are at risk of losing EVERYTHING to a spouse's care. Romney/Ryan want to gut the protections that have, since the Reagan era, protected spouses from losing all the combined marital assets to the sick spouse's nursing home bills. Romney/Ryan would eliminate the Medicaid mandates that allow the well spouse to keep part of the couple's assets for him or herself.

If Romney/Ryan get their way, expect a rash of divorces -- with a legal division of marital assets -- among elderly people with disabled or sick spouses.

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/economy-a-budget/243503-romney-ryan-plan-would-repeal-reagans-spousal-safety-net

Perhaps the greatest fear facing senior citizens and their children is that they will be stricken with a long-term illness that will destroy all of their savings. This is still a concern today, but it was a much greater concern 30 years ago until President Ronald Reagan stepped up to protect spouses from impoverishment. Now, the two Republicans atop the presidential ticket in 2012 want to gut those protections.

Here’s what’s at stake. Medicare covers doctor bills and hospital bills but it provides for only a short period of nursing home care. If a nursing home patient exhausts his or her own Medicare coverage and all of his or her personal resources, which happens to most Americans after a year or so in a nursing home, Medicaid will then cover the cost of the care. About one-third of all Medicaid payments are for long-term care.

But in the early 1980s, most if not all state Medicaid programs required a patient to deplete not only all of his or her resources but those of their spouse as well. If a wife or husband was in a nursing home, their combined savings and income were reduced to near poverty levels before the spouse could get Medicaid coverage. People who had worked and saved all of their lives were in many instances living on a budget that allowed little recreation, nothing more than a very frugal diet, and in some instances moving to substandard housing because of their spouse’s illness.

That changed in 1988 when President Reagan signed legislation that forced states to grant Medicaid coverage based on the financial condition of the patient and allowed the spouses of patients to protect enough assets and income to live with some degree of comfort and dignity.

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CURRENT Social Security/Medicare recipients face financial ruin if Romney/Ryan get their way. (Original Post) pnwmom Aug 2012 OP
Them's Family Values for you. Downwinder Aug 2012 #1
In many states the children are legally responsible Freddie Aug 2012 #2
You're right. That's another change that's waiting in the wings. nt pnwmom Aug 2012 #3
Has me terrified Freddie Aug 2012 #4
A lot of us are in your shoes, Freddie. n/t pnwmom Aug 2012 #8
This needs to be publicized! LongTomH Aug 2012 #5
Save the Entitlements elbloggoZY27 Aug 2012 #6
Unfortunately, people over 65 are trending toward Romney, pnwmom Aug 2012 #7
No problem here in Wisconsin; our farsighted Governor budgeted add'l monies for indigent funerals. Scuba Aug 2012 #9
Republicans would also outlaw--and criminalize--divorce meow2u3 Aug 2012 #10

Freddie

(9,259 posts)
2. In many states the children are legally responsible
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 12:39 PM
Aug 2012

for nursing home bills when assets run out. Thanks to Medicaid this is rarely enforced.
R/R want to gut Medicaid.
Talk about a time bomb. So I spend all my assets on my parents, who's going to pay for me? I get to impoverish my kids?
I can see the ads now -- "Vote Republican, Thank God Mom and Dad are Dead!"

Freddie

(9,259 posts)
4. Has me terrified
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 01:30 PM
Aug 2012

My elderly parents & FIL have loads of medical problems but are going to be with us for many years yet. I can see myself living in my daughter's basement someday after the folks' care takes every cent. They just don't have the good grace to die at 70 like the good old days.

 

elbloggoZY27

(283 posts)
6. Save the Entitlements
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 03:12 PM
Aug 2012

There is no question that the GOP is no friend of Social Security or Medicare or the Federal Workforce in general never mind Senior Citizens,the Poor or Women.

The phony federal pay freeze and general attacks on the Senior Citizens need to be stopped. What is even worse is that we really do not have any real protections and our Representatives are akin to Howdy Doody with the strings pulled by those in Washington. In Europe Federal Employee's have real Rights.

Until we do we are just second class citizens. Just look at the attacks on Health Care Reform. The GOP wants the Seniors to pay more not less while.


The unfortunate thing is that some of our co-workers will vote for the GOP.


What you sow you will reap.

Remember in November that who you vote for will really count. Either we will move forward in the 21st Century or backwards towards the 21st Century BC.


pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
7. Unfortunately, people over 65 are trending toward Romney,
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 03:16 PM
Aug 2012

because he's been able to convince them that Obama's "stealing" money from Medicare for everyone else -- when all he did was get providers to agree to take lower payments. Obama plowed the savings into things like closing the donut hole -- but Romney wants to take the same savings and use it to (partially) pay for more tax cuts for the 1%.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
9. No problem here in Wisconsin; our farsighted Governor budgeted add'l monies for indigent funerals.
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 03:25 PM
Aug 2012

No, there's not a sarcasm thingy associated with that statement.

meow2u3

(24,761 posts)
10. Republicans would also outlaw--and criminalize--divorce
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 03:34 PM
Aug 2012

Either that, or they'd stick the ex with the bills anyhow.

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