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Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:11 AM

My impressions from attending JJ Dinner

1. People really like Katy Perry. There were a lot of moms/grandmas in line with young girls to go see Katy Perry and one grandpa was taking his 2 granddaughters to Katy Perry concert had no idea that it was a Hillary event.

2. Hillary has an enormous staff in Iowa and her blue glow sticks were awesome.

3. The crowds reflected the candidates perfectly. Hillary's crowd had matching t-shirts, glow sticks and were all chanting in unison perfectly like a little army to the point it didn't seem all that authentic. Bernie's crowd was making a ton of noise all shouting different things while waving homemade signs. No real organization, but it was clear they LOVED their candidate. O'Malley's team was the smallest crowd by just a bit. But, it had the youngest crowd and our rich people section cheered along with the bleachers unlike Hillary/Bernie's. We also had the most entertaining cheers. O'Malley's kids sat in the bleachers with his supporters which showed a lot about their character.

4. Bernie's crowd stuck around for O'Malley's but cleared out en masse as Hillary started.

5. Hillary's crowd sat on their hands during Bernie's speech and Bernie's crowd was gone when Hillary started speaking. O'Malley was only candidate to get entire stadium up on their feet twice. Even the rich folks.

6. The media had their narrative already set before the night even unfolded. It was all about Hillary's triumph and Bernie's criticism of Hillary. O'Malley ignored. I think the people in Iowa aren't going to follow that line.

7. O'Malley needs to release an ad with his closing speech from the debate. I heard from supporters of other candidates repeatedly that his closing speech was the best thing they heard from any candidate this cycle so far.

Ranking Speeches:

1. O'Malley - His speech was optimistic, full of passion and heart. It was inspirational. His speech was the most Obamaesque of all of them. The way he spoke about immigration and gun control can't be matched by any other candidate. O'Malley also was able to list off his accomplishments and show that he wasn't just all talk. He also could talk to all portions of the Democratic electorate without making it seem like he was just going down a checklist. And like I said earlier, he was the only one to get entire stadium up on their feet twice. He's gotten so much better than he was at Wing Ding event.

2. Sanders - His speech was very similar to what he's done in the past. It fired up his audience and the rest of the crowd was not feeling it in part because we've heard it all before. Strongest portion of the speech was when he started talking about his tough votes - against DOMA, Iraq War, etc. That was a fair criticism of Hillary. During that portion other parts of the crowd got engaged while Hillary's was dead silent.

3. Hillary - This is the kind of speech that just isn't going to inspire people unless you are a die-hard supporter of Hillary. It was a checklist speech. She gave a line or two to every group in the Democratic base and it didn't feel authentic. Her rally cry of "ImWithHer" was pretty tone deaf. Obama won in 2008 because he made it about us, not him. Hillary still hasn't learned that lesson. I thought her Wing Ding speech was much, much better.

I was impressed with the # of Iowa activists who attended O'Malley's pre-dinner rally where he sang and played guitar. People are excited about him. I think he's going to do a lot better in Iowa than what the polls show.

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askew Oct 2015 OP
azmom Oct 2015 #1
JaneyVee Oct 2015 #2
MineralMan Oct 2015 #5
djean111 Oct 2015 #8
MineralMan Oct 2015 #10
djean111 Oct 2015 #12
MineralMan Oct 2015 #16
djean111 Oct 2015 #17
MineralMan Oct 2015 #19
askew Oct 2015 #14
MineralMan Oct 2015 #18
askew Oct 2015 #22
djean111 Oct 2015 #7
sunnystarr Oct 2015 #9
djean111 Oct 2015 #11
askew Oct 2015 #15
FSogol Oct 2015 #3
Gidney N Cloyd Oct 2015 #4
mmonk Oct 2015 #6
askew Oct 2015 #20
bigtree Oct 2015 #13
Peregrine Took Oct 2015 #21
askew Oct 2015 #23
artislife Oct 2015 #26
dsc Oct 2015 #24
mythology Oct 2015 #27
askew Oct 2015 #34
ucrdem Oct 2015 #29
artislife Oct 2015 #25
askew Oct 2015 #35
elleng Oct 2015 #28
Samantha Oct 2015 #30
elleng Oct 2015 #33
Samantha Oct 2015 #37
elleng Oct 2015 #38
moondust Oct 2015 #31
Dems to Win Oct 2015 #32
kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #36
askew Oct 2015 #40
WillyT Oct 2015 #39
retrowire Oct 2015 #41
Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #42
elleng Oct 2015 #46
Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #47
elleng Oct 2015 #48
coolepairc Oct 2015 #43
libodem Oct 2015 #44
Robbins Oct 2015 #45
Nitram Oct 2015 #49

Response to askew (Original post)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:17 AM

1. Great summation. I would concur.

O'Malley's speech was good, loved Bernie, Hillary put me to sleep.

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Response to askew (Original post)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:23 AM

2. Hillary had a long week. Her speech seemed...

 

More of a general election speech instead of a primary speech. Good analysis. Kinda rude they walked out, proving that they don't care about party, only Bernie. Which is why there's no confidence in Bernie to build the party base. I don't even think Bernie stuck around.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:33 AM

5. Going GE in her campaign appearances at this point

may be a good strategy for Hillary Clinton. There's nothing to lose by campaigning for President during the primaries and letting the competing candidates for the nomination try to catch up. There's nothing to gain from pointing out the differences between yourself and the other candidates if you are in the lead.

For supporters of one candidate to walk out before his main competitor for the nomination speaks is a losing strategy. People notice things like that and attribute the rudeness to the candidate whose supporters walked out. Iowa Democrats are "fair play" folks, pretty much. That was a mistake on Sanders supporters' part.

O'Malley is doing exactly what he needs to do. As the trailing candidate, he's sticking to his message and presenting it as well as he can. He'll gain support with that strategy, and some of it will come from people who really don't care for Hillary, but don't like things like rude supporters who can't be bothered to stick around and listen to everyone.

If I were Clinton, I'd take just the approach she's taking and begin her general election campaign now. It can't hurt, and Iowa doesn't have enough delegates to make much of a difference anyhow. Same with New Hampshire.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #5)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:47 AM

8. Event started an hour late. Chartered buses were leaving at 10:30, with or without Bernie and

 

supporters.

Hillary's speech would not have been a good reason for ME to try and figure out how to get home. What were they supposed to do?

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Response to djean111 (Reply #8)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:55 AM

10. Yah, well, OK...

Appearances matter. They really do. Why Bernie supporters left is less important than that they did leave.

Charter bus schedules can be changed. There's usually a fee for that, but it certainly can be done if schedules change. Take up a collection from the passengers to cover the extra hour or so. When it was clear that the event would start late, whoever lined up those buses should have arranged for a later departure. That's how it's done. It's just an hour or so of extra pay for the drivers, really.

Bottom line is what people think of a candidate's supporters leaving en masse before Clinton's time on stage. Yes, it's just optics, but they do matter when a race is close, as it is in Iowa.

Excuses don't change perceptions. They just don't.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #10)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:00 AM

12. I sincerely doubt whether anyone who is upset by this was going to support Bernie anyway.

 

Someone posted elsewhere on the net that Hillary's supporters left a campaign event early, in New Hampshire, a couple of months ago, for the same reason.

Shrug.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #12)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:15 AM

16. Do you? Iowa caucus goers often change their minds

several times before the actual caucuses. That's why candidates keep going back there. People listened to Bernie and O'Malley. Most also listened to Clinton. Some of those people have not yet made up their minds, and others will be reading reports on the event in their newspapers and seeing them on local TV news programs.

Events like this one, where all three candidates are making their pitch are more important to many voters than individual gatherings for candidates. You have absolutely no way of knowing what will make people decide whom to support at their local caucus. So, things like a bunch of rude fans of one candidate who walk out before another candidate speaks can affect more than you might think, especially for people who weren't there in the first place.

Candidates know how important appearances are in close races, like the one in Florida. I'm sure it wasn't Bernie's idea for his supporters to walk out en masse. He's way smarter than that. Someone blew it on this one. Will it cost Bernie Iowa? I have no idea. There's still quite a bit of time before the caucuses. Could it? Yes, it could. Not everyone influenced by this even were in the audience. Not even close.

It doesn't matter to me. I'm not in Iowa, so I don't participate in caucuses there.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #16)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:16 AM

17. Well, we'll see, then, right? I doubt we are hoping for the same outcome. :-) n/t

 

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Response to djean111 (Reply #17)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:21 AM

19. I'm not hoping for any particular outcome in Iowa.

I don't live there. I'm a Clinton supporter in the primaries, but I have absolutely zero to do with any caucus or primary except in Minnesota, where I live.

The outcome I'm hoping for is that the candidate most likely to win in the general election is the nominee. I'll be supporting the Democratic nominee, whoever it is. I'm almost certain it will be Hillary Clinton, though, and will be working toward that. But, I'll be there for whoever wins the nomination, just as I have always been in presidential elections.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #5)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:12 AM

14. Hillary's supporters all left after Hillary's speech in NH this year

and all left after Hillary's speech from JJ dinner in 2007 as did Hillary. She got hammered for it in the Iowa media.

I will say it is telling that Bernie supporters were willing to sit through O'Malley but not Hillary.

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Response to askew (Reply #14)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:18 AM

18. That wasn't smart, either, then.

It's never smart for your supporters to be rude. Never. It can be a real problem for a campaign. The candidates don't really control what supporters do, of course, but where organization is involved, there should be some thought given to it.

I don't really care whose supporters did something stupid. I'll criticize that whenever it occurs.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #18)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:36 AM

22. Definitely agree.

It bothers me more when the candidates leave early. Bernie and Hillary have both done it multiple times.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:44 AM

7. The event started an hour late and the chartered buses were leaving at 10:30.

 

With or without Bernie's supporters.

I don't think a Hillary speech really rates trying to find a ride home, just to listen to it.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #7)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:51 AM

9. They were going to leave empty?? nt

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Response to sunnystarr (Reply #9)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:56 AM

11. Just reporting what people who were there said.

 

And, perhaps, the buses were scheduled to be elsewhere after that. I read that the same thing happened with Hillary's supporters, buses leaving, a while back. Stuff happens.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #7)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:13 AM

15. That was a small portion of Bernie's supporters who came from colleges.

The entire section cleared out. People of all ages.

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Response to askew (Original post)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:31 AM

3. K&R. n/t

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Response to askew (Original post)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:32 AM

4. Thought provoking summation. Thanks.

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Response to askew (Original post)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 10:38 AM

6. Thank you for your account.

It brings back memories of my last JJ dinner when myself and my son were Obama state delegates in 2007/08. Now that I work primarily from the outside instead of the inside elections, it reminds me of some things I miss.

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Response to mmonk (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:30 AM

20. A lot of people said the difference between JJ dinner last night and in 2007

was there were fewer persuadable voters in the room. The Sanders and Hillary camps are set in stone and they only spoke to their supporters. O'Malley engaged entire room. Noticeable difference in strategy.

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Response to askew (Original post)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:07 AM

13. the O'Malley rally

O'Malley for Iowa ‏@omalleyforia
LIVE on #Periscope: O'Malley Iowa JJ rally

watch entire rally: https://www.periscope.tv/w/1OyJAwNqWvWKb

k&r - hope you had a great time.

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Response to askew (Original post)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:35 AM

21. Bill droning on and on after the Katy Perry show....ugh.

I forgot how much I can't abide him.

That monotone drawl, that breathless manner of speaking - I couldn't stand him back in the day and to see and hear him again?

HRC would be wise to send him back to running his Foundation plus his very presence weakens her appearance of independence, imo.

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Response to Peregrine Took (Reply #21)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:39 AM

23. Bill was the last one to leave JJ dinner even after Hillary and O'Malley.

He loves this stuff. I am over both of them but at least I recognize his political skill. Hillary doesn't really have that skill. She's so fake.

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Response to askew (Reply #23)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:53 AM

26. As a Leo

 

I think this kind of thing is what he lives off of. He misses the crowds and adoration. It is so intoxicating.

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Response to Peregrine Took (Reply #21)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:44 AM

24. you must have really watched the speech

since you didn't even know who spoke first. Bill spoke then Katy sang.

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Response to Peregrine Took (Reply #21)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 12:00 PM

27. You may be in a for a long campaign season then

 

Bill Clinton is pretty widely regarded as a highly effective campaigner and as a former president will have a large role if Hillary Clinton is the eventual nominee.

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Response to mythology (Reply #27)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 05:23 PM

34. He WAS regarded that way. He pretty much killed Hillary's chances in SC with his

race-baiting and it got so bad that multiple Dems had to publicly tell Bill to STFU. There's a reason Bill was kept off the scene until now. He's a loose cannon and no one, including Hillary, can control what he is going to say next.

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Response to Peregrine Took (Reply #21)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 12:08 PM

29. He spoke for 16 minutes and was funny as hell.

Had to get an animal rights guy off the stage and he did it with class. Great speech if that's the one you mean.

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Response to askew (Original post)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 11:52 AM

25. Great recap

 

His actions this week with his true outreach to the Muslim community will stay with me. In this time of all the hate and fear, I love that he sees the humanity. I have posted this a few times.

He is a good man.

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Response to artislife (Reply #25)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 05:26 PM

35. His comments this week really moved me as well.

Reminds me of his outreach last year to the Central American refugee kids who were set to back instead of given a safe home. O'Malley spoke up for those kids when Hillary said we should send them back and no one else in the Dems was standing up for the kids. He then put action behind his talk and found foster homes, counseling and legal help for those kids. That's why I support him.

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Response to askew (Original post)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 12:06 PM

28. 'O'Malley was only candidate to get entire stadium up on their feet twice. Even the rich folks.'


Working on your suggestion of an ad.

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Response to askew (Original post)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 12:14 PM

30. O'Malley is an excellent candidate

He does have an impeccable record for getting things done. I think what is holding him back is a lack of national presence. The more people see him, and listen to him, and review what he has done, I think his numbers will continue to rise.

I personally admire O'Malley a great deal. I am supporting Bernie because I have admired him for a long time and often wished he would run for President. I never thought he would because that type of campaign is extremely grueling, and I was not sure he would think he could withstand that stress for the months to come. Much to my delight, he did announce. And knowing what his top planks in his platform were, from that moment on, there was no question who I would be supporting.

But Sanders/O'Malley sounds like a great team to me (assuming Elizabeth Warren wants to remain in the Senate).

Sam

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Response to Samantha (Reply #30)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 01:39 PM

33. There well continue to be lack of 'national presence' as long as msm insists on ignoring him, Sam,

and I don't know what can be done about that other than startling results in a REAL poll, that is, caucus and/or primary.

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Response to elleng (Reply #33)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:43 PM

37. Maybe he could make arrangements to appear on more network shows

Colbert has had Sanders on, and Bush, but maybe he would consider O'Malley. I think O'Malley was on one of the daytime shows, but this is the only thing I can think of that would expand people's familiarity with him.

It is a shame. He is such a great candidate. If I can think of anything else, I will run it by you.

Well, wait a minute -- maybe he could arrange to give a speech at UMD. Here is what Representative Swalwell said about him:

In an op-ed published in The Des Moines Register, Swalwell, a 34-year-old lawmaker serving his second term in the House, described O’Malley as a “friend and mentor” who inspired him as a college student at the University of Maryland to seek a life in public service after seeing O'Malley speak.

“He spoke to my class about our civic duty to help others, unify communities and offer solutions for the common good,” Swalwell wrote. “I was hooked. I watched him lead not just with words but by deeds, and I committed myself to following his example of service to others.”


http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/249150-omalley-nets-first-congressional-endorsement

Maybe CSPAN would cover it.

A commencement speech would be too late, but maybe there is some other venue available there for a speech. I am thinking the UMD would be accommodating to him because of their past relationship.

That's all I got for now, elleng.

Sam

PS I wonder if Matt Lauer will sit down with him and interview him on his positions. Now that would great exposure.

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Response to Samantha (Reply #37)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:56 PM

38. He's been on a few,

just recently with Noah what's his name, and Hayes and Rachel in the past. MSM doesn't want to give him decent coverage, so I don't expect anything BIG without something dramatic. J-J as good as it gets for the time being, I expect. Rachen/forum and next debate coming up in November.

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Response to askew (Original post)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 12:52 PM

31. "like a little army"

Did they wear uniforms and salute "the leader"?

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Response to askew (Original post)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 01:25 PM

32. Thanks for the eyewitness report nt

 

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Response to askew (Original post)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 08:25 PM

36. Clearing out when Hillary started is rude i thought. At least respect ALL our candidates enough to

 

har what they have to say. That doesn't look good for party unity and leads me to believe that Bernie supporters would just a soon hand over the election to the GOP than vote for Hillary.

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #36)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 12:00 AM

40. Hillary's done the same thing this cycle and last.

O'Malley is consistently the only candidate who stays to the end of events.

It is more troubling that Hillary couldn't get some of the longtime Democratic Party Bernie supporters to stick around. There is a real enthusiasm problem for Hillary from what I saw at the event. She didn't get any responses outside of her supporters and I spoke with many of her supporters who are lukewarm at best on her but are backing her because she is likely to win nomination and the GOP scare them. That isn't the enthusiasm she needs to win the general. It is starting to remind me a lot of 2004 and Kerry.

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Response to askew (Original post)

Sun Oct 25, 2015, 09:59 PM

39. Thank You For The Report !!!

 


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Response to askew (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:21 PM

41. great report! thanks much! n/t

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Response to askew (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 04:25 PM

42. Does O'Malley feel our system is fundamentally broken (like Sanders) or just needs to be tweaked

(like Clinton)?

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Response to elleng (Reply #46)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:43 PM

47. tyvm for the reply

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Response to Bread and Circus (Reply #47)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 08:47 PM

48. You're welcome, Bread and Circus.

Part of my 'job,' to inform people about Governor O'Malley.

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Response to askew (Original post)

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 10:43 PM

43. Thank you for the summary

 

Was O'Malley's singing and guitar playing any good? Sounds like it was a very nice event!

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Response to askew (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 06:49 PM

44. Nice report

Interesting reading. Thanks for your perspective. Good to hear.

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Response to askew (Original post)

Tue Oct 27, 2015, 07:04 PM

45. According to polls

your wrong.according to them everybody but fringe loves Clinton.of course so far onlye vidance of this is polls.

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Response to askew (Original post)

Wed Oct 28, 2015, 08:24 AM

49. Excuse me, your bias is showing.

..."chanting in unison perfectly like a little army to the point it didn't seem all that authentic."
This is the DU member formerly known as Nitram.

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