Paul Ryan to Obama on Medicare debate: Bring it on

[Jessy169]

"The president, I'm told, is talking about Medicare today," Ryan told supporters at the University of Miami, where he graduated from college. "We want this debate. We need this debate. And we will win this debate."

Ryan sure is sounding cocky. In the article, it is mentioned that Politifact rated Democrat claims that Ryan's plan would end medicare the "Lie of the Year" in 2011, something that I don't know how to debunk.

I'm trying to figure out how to handle this info in discussions and chats with my friends from the "dark side". Any helpful links?

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/paul-ryan-obama-medicare-debate-bring-233446245.html

[BeyondGeography]

1. Has he run the numbers yet?

[thelordofhell]

4. No

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021140070

[notadmblnd]

2. Oh please.

Just where is this article you are so concerned about? Please post a link.

[Jessy169]

7. Here's the link

The link was in the link that I posted -- a link within a link!

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2011/dec/20/lie-year-democrats-claims-republicans-voted-end-me/

[pnwmom]

3. The R's think that keeping the name "Medicare" and applying it to coupons (okay, vouchers)

is all they need to do to say they've saved Medicare.

But most people think the word Medicare actually means something, and that it's a benefits-based program, not a 20 or 30% off coupon.

[JRLeft]

5. Ryan knows most Americans are ignorant on the

issues, he knows his lies will work on some if not most of the public.

[doc03]

11. +1 I think the Democrats are overestimating the intelligence of

the American people. I know many seniors that are buying the Obama cut $717 billion from Medicare. They are saying
Ryan's cuts won't affect people 55 and older, many people I know that are over 55 don't give a damn about anyone but themselves.

[JRLeft]

12. Republicons understand what repeating the big lie means.

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[stuckinodi]

6. Here's the link

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/crowd-gathers-for-paul-ryan-rally-at-miami-u/nRCDW/

5,500 in attendance. So depressing. They love this guy here (SW Ohio).

[progressivebydesign]

9. He's an alumnus, and if his education there was any indication, I can see why they'd like him...

don't know much about the school, but if they turned a guy like that out... I doubt it's big on liberal education.

[Jessy169]

8. Here is a lie that Ryan told today -- one of the Republican favorites

Ryan said Obama cut $716 billion from Medicare to pay for his health care plan.

But from Kos:

We all know that Paul Ryan, in the budget Romney endorsed (last time I checked, anyway), included those exact same cuts to Medicare. And none of those cuts actually hit beneficiaries. They rein in the huge amount of taxpayer money going to overpayments in the Republican-created (and not paid for) Medicare Advantage program. So, you could almost commend Ryan for seeing where it makes sense to cut Medicare. Almost.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/15/1120445/-Mitt-s-Medicare-madness

The health care debate is huge. The more truthful info shared, the better.

[bluestateguy]

10. In 2005 George W. Bush had a Republican Congress. He proposed SS privatization.

It never came up for a vote.

Careful what you ask for.