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Mon Oct 19, 2015, 01:55 PM

I Changed My Mind!

As someone who firmly believes that Primaries are an important part of the Democratic Process, it was disturbing to me that up to April/May of this year it looked like Democrats were not going to have any options regarding who would be the nominee for the 2016 Presidential Election.

It seemed there would be no challenges to the presumed nominee, Hillary Clinton



But then, we learned that Martin O'Malley had decided to enter the race!



I LIKED O'Malley and agreed with him on many more of the issues than I did Hillary Clinton

This was exciting, someone I felt would make a much better Democratic candidate and eventual nominee for the Dem Party.

Most of all I was happy that the Democratic Process was being preserved.

No candidate should ever be handed the nomination by the party without the voters having a chance to have their MOST IMPORTANT say in our elections.

I was happy, more motivated, I had reservations about this candidacy, but over all I liked O'Malley and was willing to try to help get him elected.

And then I heard what I had thought would NOT happen

Bernie Sanders HAD given a lot of thought to running in this race, and that he had decided he was going to do so!

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Knowing his long record on Progressive/Left issues, knowing his willingness to fight for those issues AND to GET THINGS DONE in Congress, there was really no other choice for me.

I didn't really think he had a chance at that point, but as he said no one should EVER underestimate Bernie Sanders!

I admit, I did but if you have a CONSCIENCE (I know, only spoiled rotten elitist, selfish people have consciences) which I am proud to say I do, you really have to support what is RIGHT for this country.

I was apparently far from alone and am absolutely stunned at how far Bernie has come from an almost complete unknown to actually beating Clinton in the polls and in the first Debate.

So, yes, I changed my mind!

And for those who are so concerned about people NOT voting for the Nominee, don't worry, WE will be doing so.

Let's hope everyone does!

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sabrina 1 Oct 2015 OP
NCTraveler Oct 2015 #1
sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #3
NCTraveler Oct 2015 #4
Bubzer Oct 2015 #72
sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #76
still_one Oct 2015 #2
sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #5
still_one Oct 2015 #7
sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #10
still_one Oct 2015 #11
sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #14
Phlem Oct 2015 #17
sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #40
Phlem Oct 2015 #73
d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #58
still_one Oct 2015 #66
d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #90
still_one Oct 2015 #96
Phlem Oct 2015 #70
ALBliberal Oct 2015 #31
sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #37
still_one Oct 2015 #55
artislife Oct 2015 #107
ALBliberal Oct 2015 #103
tecelote Oct 2015 #35
still_one Oct 2015 #65
InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2015 #78
in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #111
Plucketeer Oct 2015 #36
Scootaloo Oct 2015 #52
still_one Oct 2015 #67
99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #12
sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #16
99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #23
litlbilly Oct 2015 #46
99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #50
artislife Oct 2015 #108
BeanMusical Oct 2015 #20
artislife Oct 2015 #106
rosesaylavee Oct 2015 #6
sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #9
rosesaylavee Oct 2015 #25
99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #26
marym625 Oct 2015 #33
99th_Monkey Oct 2015 #34
WillyT Oct 2015 #8
Cassiopeia Oct 2015 #13
Phlem Oct 2015 #15
merrily Oct 2015 #18
sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #95
stonecutter357 Oct 2015 #19
Fawke Em Oct 2015 #38
stonecutter357 Oct 2015 #113
artislife Oct 2015 #110
Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #21
still_one Oct 2015 #24
Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #27
still_one Oct 2015 #29
ChiciB1 Oct 2015 #48
still_one Oct 2015 #53
Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #85
still_one Oct 2015 #89
ChiciB1 Oct 2015 #97
still_one Oct 2015 #98
ChiciB1 Oct 2015 #101
still_one Oct 2015 #102
Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #49
SoapBox Oct 2015 #82
Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #88
Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #112
artislife Oct 2015 #109
BeanMusical Oct 2015 #22
Enthusiast Oct 2015 #28
AlbertCat Oct 2015 #30
marym625 Oct 2015 #32
leftofcool Oct 2015 #39
sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #44
raven mad Oct 2015 #41
sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #45
raven mad Oct 2015 #61
Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2015 #93
sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #100
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ChiciB1 Oct 2015 #42
sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #47
ChiciB1 Oct 2015 #51
sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #54
hifiguy Oct 2015 #56
Stardust Oct 2015 #86
AzDar Oct 2015 #43
Unknown Beatle Oct 2015 #57
Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #59
sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #62
Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #64
sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #68
N.Y. to Paris Oct 2015 #60
sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #69
Stardust Oct 2015 #87
jimlup Oct 2015 #63
Sheepshank Oct 2015 #71
sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #75
Sheepshank Oct 2015 #80
hootinholler Oct 2015 #74
Kalidurga Oct 2015 #77
aspirant Oct 2015 #79
sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #84
MasonDreams Oct 2015 #81
SoapBox Oct 2015 #83
Scuba Oct 2015 #91
yuiyoshida Oct 2015 #92
sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #94
Doc Holliday Oct 2015 #99
in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #105

Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 01:57 PM

1. "beating Clinton in the polls and in the first Debate. "

 

lol. "if you have a CONSCIENCE "

It keeps getting better!!!!

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 02:05 PM

3. I'm sure you've heard that people who have consciences are spoiled, selfish, rotten democracy

destroying individuals that are ruining this country?

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #3)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 02:09 PM

4. I'm sure I have. lol. nt.

 

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #3)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 08:38 PM

72. I bet you drive a volvo too!

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Response to Bubzer (Reply #72)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:37 PM

76. I only learned recently that I was supposed to own a volvo. I wish people would

let you know these things so you're not running around wondering why no one can just TELL you are a Bernie supporter.

I thought the white sheet was enough!

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 02:01 PM

2. 99% of the Democrats will vote for whoever the eventual nominee is. I think the same would apply to

those who are not registered as Democrats, but support one of the Democratic candidates also, they will vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is.

One thing is clear, at least as far as the Democratic primaries are concerned, it seems to be focused on the issues that affect people, as opposed to that other political party

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Response to still_one (Reply #2)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 02:12 PM

5. Having signed up new dems who have not voted for years, so they can vote for BErnie

not one of them will vote for anyone else. They were non voters for a reason. Which is why we are trying to get them signed up because Bernie is giving them a reason.

Some were Repubs, Indies, a lot of them, some never voted.

None of them will vote for an establishment candidate, that's just a fact.

The Dem Party had that same certitude for the past two mid terms.

Thinking they can push THEIR choices on the voters because THEY know best or whatever.

Times have hanged and if the Leadership of this party continues along the path of BLAMING the voters after IGNORING them, anyone who CARES about this party needs to start pressuring THEM not the voters.

We've lost the House and Senate with that kind of thinking.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 02:19 PM

7. I disagree, and so do the polls, which is far less anecdotal. However, we are all entitled to our

opinions

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Response to still_one (Reply #7)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 03:07 PM

10. Bernie won the debate, by every measure used to determine who wins

these debates. Other than the Corp Pundits, the the old, 20th Century polls, he won overwhelmingly.

And maybe YOU can tell me this, how 'scientific' is a poll of Primary Candidates that include NON Candidates?

In today's world with new technology where a vast majority of the people now use to get their news and to express their views, those polls, self admitted by may of them now btw, are so outdated they are meaningless.

Pollsters eg, got just about everything re the Greek and UK elections wrong and are trying to figure out why.

Maybe they should just have asked the people, who got them right.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #10)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 03:08 PM

11. ok, whatever you say, have a nice day

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Response to still_one (Reply #11)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 03:16 PM

14. It isn't what I say. It's what tens of thousands of people who actually watched the dabate

say.

I hope you have a nice day also.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #14)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 03:21 PM

17. Exactly.

One day the Bernie supporters are dinged for using polls and the next day we're not paying attention to them?

WTF.

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Response to Phlem (Reply #17)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 04:45 PM

40. Yes and it kind of goes with the inconsistency of the presumed nominee.

I thought we didn't trust establishment polls here on DU since the 2000 election.

Personally, and I know there are objections to people forming their own opinions also, I trust the VIEWERS who watch these debates far, far more than the establishment polls.

We now have a way of gauging people's reactions immediately after the debates.

Not to mention how much money was raised for Bernie as a result of how well he did in the Debate. Over $3 Million dollars.

That's OUR money talking for a change!

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #40)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 09:20 PM

73. I've always been a self thinker.

That's what rules my life. Science, critical thinking, triangulating information, re-evaluating and adjusting like a scientist. There's no other choice for me. While I will still vote for Dem over a Republiscam any day. I WANT BERNIE!

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Response to Phlem (Reply #17)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 05:22 PM

58. Unless the polls state that HRC is in the lead

Its not a valid poll.

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Response to d_legendary1 (Reply #58)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 06:42 PM

66. I wasn't talking about debate polls, I was talking about election polls. As far as DU is concerned,

the winner of the debate depends on which candidate you support.

That is why I don't engage in discussions about "who won the debate"

Can debates change people's minds who they will vote for? Sure, but not so much for already committed supporters of a candidate.

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Response to still_one (Reply #66)

Tue Oct 20, 2015, 06:41 AM

90. Election polls don't matter. Obama proved this in 2008.

Die hard supporters are always going to be there no matter what. Its the messaging, the charisma, and the energy of a candidate that will get people to the polls. So far Clinton is leading nationally but that doesn't mean it a lock. She had the lead in 08 and some senator from Illinois showed us how things can change in a matter of months.

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Response to d_legendary1 (Reply #90)

Tue Oct 20, 2015, 10:37 AM

96. At this stage I agree, but they are an indicator.

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Response to d_legendary1 (Reply #58)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 08:25 PM

70. Exactly.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #10)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 04:11 PM

31. I will follow Bernie's example ... if he's not the nominee he will support and

Vote for the nominee.

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Response to ALBliberal (Reply #31)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 04:31 PM

37. I don't follow anyone's example. Too bad you and many others are basing their

decisions on what others decide.

I love Bernie, but I know he would never want us to be followers.

He has often stated that he has been wrong on things, as we all have. That's why it's never a good thing to follow other people. Always think for yourself.

I support Bernie because HE agreed with ME on the issues that are important to ME. Not because I agreed with him.

We are a long way from the GE right now, so for me, it will depend on who that nominee is and no amount of prodding and nudging and scare tactics and nagging or what even people I highly respect do, will have the slightest bit of influence on what I decide to do.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #37)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 05:13 PM

55. So you agree on keeping troops in Afghanistan?



WASHINGTON -- Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said Sunday that he supports President Barack Obama's decision to keep troops in Afghanistan, prolonging the war beyond 2016.

Obama announced last week that he would keep 5,500 U.S. troops in Afghanistan after he leaves office in 2017, breaking his promise to end the war during his tenure. He originally planned to maintain only a small military presence based at the U.S. embassy there.

During an interview on ABC's "This Week" on Sunday morning, host George Stephanopoulos asked Sanders, a Democratic presidential candidate, whether he backs keeping U.S. troops in the country.

"Well, yeah, I won't give you the exact number. Clearly, we do not want to see the Taliban gain more power, and I think we need a certain nucleus of American troops present in Afghanistan to try to provide the training and support the Afghan army needs," he said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-afghanistan_5623b601e4b08589ef47bdaa

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Response to still_one (Reply #55)

Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:34 AM

107. Did she say every decision?

 

Hillary has killed more brown children than any of the candidates. And yet, she is the beacon of Women's and children's rights around the world, according to many.

She talks a good game, unless you are paying attention.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #10)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 04:23 PM

35. Great answer.

Hillary won with her donors. You know, the people that own the media in this country. The same people that own Hillary.

Bernie won with the people.

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Response to tecelote (Reply #35)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 06:36 PM

65. Who won or lost debates as far as DU is concerned depends on which candidate someone supports

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #10)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 11:22 PM

78. Bernie didn't just win the debate...he crushed it!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #10)

Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:55 AM

111. Really good point, sabrina.

"Pollsters eg, got just about everything re the Greek and UK elections wrong and are trying to figure out why."

Maybe they were wrong because MOST people don't have or use landline phones (51.7%) and almost Everyone uses the internet to get all their information and current news (87.4% do) and most of those use their Mobile Phones only, which can't be polled.

You're right, pollsters know they aren't getting a good read with their polling and are perplexed as to how they can fix that. So far, they haven't found a way, so Corporate Owned pollsters (NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, FAUX NEWS, etc...) couldn't possibly be more accurate (or SCIENTIFIC!!!!!) than internet polls. First, they start with a bias aimed at pleasing their Corporate master owner and second, they would be polling from less than half if the population! So, I'm not seeing how ANY Corporate Owned poll could possibly be more accurate than online polls....because they can't be, not anymore.

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Response to still_one (Reply #7)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 04:29 PM

36. She was the "darling" last time

 

until she wasn't. There's some time til the primaries. Please fasten your seat belts.

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Response to still_one (Reply #7)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 05:08 PM

52. October polls do not preduct June results.

 

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #52)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 06:47 PM

67. Correct. They only are an indication at that particular moment in time, and yes, things can and do

change. My point was addressing the predictions of the OP, which also do not predict what will happen next year

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 03:14 PM

12. +1000 - IMO sabrina, you are 110% correct. It's time the people who really care to stand up

 

all over this nation, and vote for a candidate who really speaks for them, and not
be intimidated by Establishment badgering them with threats and blame-gaming,
to accept a "lesser of two evils" <-- Bernie, because fuck this shit.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #12)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 03:19 PM

16. I love that bumper sticker! Lol!

Very succinctly expresses how totally fed up people are with the establishment distortions and lies and wars and attacks on SS safety nets and the greed and corruption and the money in politics.

Lol, 'Bernie because fuck this shit' is much shorter! And gets the point across.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #16)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 03:31 PM

23. Me too.

 

I keep waiting for the 'party loyalists' to recognize and credit Bernie for how he's
bringing chronic non-voters, pissed-off independents, et. al. into the Democratic
fold, yes, so they can vote for Bernie, but so what? .. they are now registered "D"
and were not before. That's what building a solid base of Democratic voters is all
about.

Now it's up to the party loyalists to help nominate a candidate who will actually
KEEP all the newbies and returnees in the party, that is, if they really care
so passionately about the Democratic Party.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #23)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 04:53 PM

46. I had to re register as a Dem to vote for Bernie in the primaries

 

I know Bernie's team is getting many non voters to sign up. That's what it will take. On another note, if anyone hasn't seen the video of Bernies recent Iowa event, watch it. Its a smaller format I wasn't sure if it would suit Bernie, well, its suits him just fine. He shines like ive never seen, and, I was at the Portland ralley

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Response to litlbilly (Reply #46)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 05:02 PM

50. Hey! I was at the Portland rally too!

 



I'll never forget it!

I've been wondering, how does Bernie manage to only get "smaller intimate" campaign
events & forums? How does he keep them from being over-run, by eager Bernistas,
having to stand outside, because they can't get in?

The Invitation-Only thing seems weird for Bernie to do, but it's probably the only way
he can keep the crowd sizes down.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #23)

Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:36 AM

108. They can't

 

They just can't.

Kind of like the republicans never owning up to mistakes, the DNC believes they will lose their cloak of inevitability if they do.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 03:24 PM

20. +1

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:30 AM

106. I agree

 

If h is the nominee, it could be 2014 all over again.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 02:14 PM

6. This was pretty much the path I took too except

somewhere between concern we had only one DEM running and Gov. O'Malley, I was very interested in Elizabeth Warren running... very sad she made that decision but supporting Senator Sanders now.

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Response to rosesaylavee (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 02:38 PM

9. Yes, obviously Warren would have been great. But we already see the attacks

that would have only intensified had she run. I won't repeat them, but even now that she is not running, I see a preview of how bad it would have been.

Bernie had the least assailable record of anyone who might be able to take on this enormous task of running against the entire, super powerful establishment.

Third Way founders eg, crawed out of their hiding holes to attack Warren in the WSJ eg, last year which told me they were gearing up for a possible run by Warran.

'She was a Repub up to recently' eg. She's only good on Wall St, another charge.

I have a feeling this run by Bernie was well thought out. The Progressives in our party are few and far between now, but I have a feeling there was a lot of thought put into this.

And as we can see,, the ruthlessness, which we expect now, is in evidence in the attacks on Bernie.

Warren is very smart. I think the way for a run by her, needed to be paved by someone else. She knows what she would have faced.'

I had a lot of questions re O'Malley also, but it was a far better choice than Hillary for me.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #9)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 03:34 PM

25. Has an exchange with a well-respected friend of mine on FaceBook today

who thinks Bernie is not Progressive enough. Lol... there is no pleasing everyone - ever!

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Response to rosesaylavee (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 03:37 PM

26. I still am hoping for a Sanders/Warren 2016 Democratic ticket.

 

I think this may just be why she didn't want to get into the primary in the first place.

This might be wishful thinking. Warren has incredibly important role in the Senate too, so
whatever she ends up doing it's a win/win.

But just imagine what an incredibly dynamic & unstoppable ticket that would be.

it not only addresses Bernie's 'age problem' so-called, it brings a woman into the White
House as well. I can't imagine they wouldn't win by like 60%, and would have coat-tails
the size of Texas, so Dems can retake the Senate and maybe even the House.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #26)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 04:15 PM

33. Barbara Lee!

Keep Warren in the Senate fighting for our President Sanders!

#FeelTheBern

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Response to marym625 (Reply #33)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 04:20 PM

34. Another good VP choice, for sure. nt

 

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 02:20 PM

8. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

 




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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 03:16 PM

13. Thank you.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 03:18 PM

15. K&R!!!!

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 03:21 PM

18. Pffft. I saw through your act from the very beginning.

Always supporting Sanders, defending Sanders. Whom did you think you were fooling?


GREAT CHOICE!

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Response to merrily (Reply #18)

Tue Oct 20, 2015, 09:52 AM

95. Lol, some people are just too clever for their own good!

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 03:22 PM

19. I am voting for Hillary Rodham Clinton....

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #19)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 04:41 PM

38. Is this a bot?

Always says the same thing.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #38)

Wed Oct 21, 2015, 01:15 PM

113. You know i can't speak my mind on DU.

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #19)

Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:38 AM

110. Yeah, we know. nt

 

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 03:26 PM

21. I'm not so sure some of the Hillary people will vote this time if Bernie is the nominee.

 

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #21)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 03:31 PM

24. Sure they will. On DU it is a few of the Bernie supporters who are saying they will not vote for

the Democratic nominee if it is Hillary

If it helps them get through the day all the best. The primaries have a long way to go, and most of the Sander's supporters on DU are so convinced that the country will drop everything and follow Bernie, regardless of what the national polls indicate.



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Response to still_one (Reply #24)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 03:38 PM

27. Hillary as the nominee will stimulate republican turnout....

 

The Republicans could run a can of light beer and they will show up to vote against her.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #27)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 04:04 PM

29. Right, and a "socialist, who believes we should follow Denmark as an example" will not motivate any

republicans.

Incidentally, that OP is NOT what I believe, but what I believe will be the republican MSM talking point.

If Bernie is able to get the coverage on his major speech on exactly what a Democratic Socialist means, that may alter opinions to be favorable toward Bernie.

Yes, Hillary has negatives, but she also has positive. I know people get upset, but gender will be a factor, including with republicans. All the polls indicate it. African Americans at least up to now seem to be favoring Hillary. Hispanics favor whoever the Democratic candidate is.

The republicans are going to be out in force, no matter who the Democratic candidate is, and they will be motivated. After the debates they have already been coming out of the wood work, distorting the comments I presented in the title.

In other words, republican turnout will be stimulated no matter who the Democratic candidate is

At least that is my assessment.

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Response to still_one (Reply #29)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 04:57 PM

48. I Believe I Heard That He Intends To Give A Big Speech On THIS

issue in IA, maybe today or soon. I was in and out today and I DO think I heard that correctly. We'll see, but THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH SOCIALISM!

Socialism is Medicare, Social Security, Highway System, TVA, Unions, Public Education.... use your own imagination and I bet you can find many other Governmental programs that come under the heading of SOCIALISM. If he decides to explain it this way, I doubt very few will find Socialism a negative issue for them. Unfortunately, those in the other Party have either DE-REGULATED so many or simply want them PRIVATIZED!!!

It's everywhere, and in so many places that REPUKES are trying to get rid of.

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Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #48)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 05:10 PM

53. You are not arguing against me. My post was directed specifically at the comment that Hillary

will motivate more republicans to come out then Bernie, because of their hatred of Hillary, and I was giving the reasons why they would be just as motivated if Bernie is the nominee.

Incidentally, if you read my post I NEVER said there was anything wrong with socialism I was saying, and it has already started, that the repukes are going on full attack on Bernie with that. It doesn't matter whether it is misrepresented, lied about or distorted. The MSM will give more voice to the republicans, and not provide equal time for Bernie.

I also mentioned that Bernie was giving amajor speech on this which could help.

However I stand by my assessment that WHOEVER is the Democratic nominee, the republicans will be equally motivated



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Response to still_one (Reply #53)

Tue Oct 20, 2015, 01:50 AM

85. There weren't enough anti-socialist right wingers like that to stop Obama....

 

However the idea of the Clintons back in the White House is going to make guys living in trailers carpool.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #85)

Tue Oct 20, 2015, 03:55 AM

89. Hopefully you are right

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Response to still_one (Reply #53)

Tue Oct 20, 2015, 01:29 PM

97. I Agree With You AND It Has Started Already, TRUMP Is Shouting

about it all over. I just felt a need to make a very clear statement about what information I had heard. Unless Bernie clearly explains what Democratic Socialism is TPTB (Democratic OR Republican) are going to define it as a super NEGATIVE position. It's MY PERSONAL opinion that our very own Democratic Party is working against millions of their very own supporters to make sure Bernie isn't able to upset the apple cart!

I DON'T have a link, but I'm sure someone here at DU can find one that shows Hillary may be the Number One recipient of donors of CEO's on Wall Street. I can not PROVE that she's talking out of both sides of her mouth, but given how Bill Clinton and Barack Obama campaigned it's my gut feeling that she's simply "talking the talk!" I will no longer sit by with blinders on a play the same game over again! But I may have to!!!

I KNOW if she's the nominee I will be forced to vote for her because of what the consequences WILL mean if a Repuke becomes POTUS! Voting for her will be done WITHOUT any enthusiasm or feeling of happiness. For me it's a vote I DO NOT want to cast because I deeply feel NOTHING will change. I'm a Boomer and I don't think I've ever felt such fear about the direction this country is taking.

Only time will tell. What I wish she would do versus what I "think" she'll do is at the core of my thinking. I have no crystal ball... can only go on what I've seen already.

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Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #97)

Tue Oct 20, 2015, 01:38 PM

98. Of course I agree, which is why the sooner Bernie comes out with his major speech explaining what

Democratic Socialism means, the better it will be.

Different issue, but similar strategy. It is an understatement to say that Rev. Wright generated a lot of controversy when Obama was running in 2008, and was part of the congregation of Rev. Wright's church. He didn't wait for it to take hold, he came out very shortly with a major press conference so there would be no misrepresentation.

Unfortunately, Kerry did not come out quick or strong enough when the swift boaters started garbage, and by the time he did, it had already became entrenched.

It has not reached that stage with Bernie, but it could very easily do that, which is why it is essentially he comes out soon to address it.

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Response to still_one (Reply #98)

Tue Oct 20, 2015, 02:02 PM

101. To Which I Also Agree, BUT Bernie Has A BIGGER Hurdle

to jump. THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY! I DO think he understands he needs to clarify who he is, especially since the Larry David spoof on SNL.

It's simply comes down to THE people of this country! Canada made huge strides yesterday, not sure this country is awake enough or is even AWARE enough! Our Democratic Party has had a HUGE hand in allowing so much of the dumbing down to happen! Yes, I sound disgusted, but that's because I am!

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Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #101)

Tue Oct 20, 2015, 04:14 PM

102. I am not good at reading tea leaves. I am still considering the choices, which currently

are Bernie and Hillary, though I admit a bias toward Hillary.

However, I did have a pretty good discussion a few days ago with someone, and they pretty much convinced me that the demographics are with the Democrats, as long as they get registered and vote. Bernie has the younger Democrats pretty much in the bag. The enthusiasm and passion he has generated cannot be ignored. While you are correct about the Democratic establishment, the more people that participate, things change.

The most obvious example is the two candidates leading in the republican field. They are not republican establishment candidates, though at times it is very hard to distinguish differences in their extremism, but it serves as an example that change can happen. Even in the republican case where it is from bad to worse. The Koch brothers threw a lot of money at Scott Walker, and it fizzled out. "Those in the know" told us bush was a shoe in.

This election season is not conforming to the same old business.

I don't know what will happen, and like I said my bias is with Hillary at this time, but grass roots support is something Bernie has, and that is something that can't be bought with money.

The SNL Larry David skit didn't hurt Bernie. In fact it probably helped him, and he could not have responded better when he was asked about it. He said "Larry David plays me better than I do". He has a sense of humor, he is able to laugh at himself. There are NOT many politicians who can do that. republicans don't even have a sense of humor. Hillary wasn't presented in a very good light either in that skit. In fact I would say the skit was much more negative on Hillary negative characteristics than Bernie

Try not to get too disgusted. Change sometimes takes time, but it is pretty obvious something is happening this election cycle that isn't business as usual

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Response to still_one (Reply #29)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 05:01 PM

49. Getting money out of politics and expanding Social Security resonates even with republican voters.

 

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #27)

Tue Oct 20, 2015, 01:15 AM

82. Clinton, if nominee, will NOT win.

People at work and neighbors even agree.

Two things...trust...and several of these people (women) hate her.

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #82)

Tue Oct 20, 2015, 02:24 AM

88. "...and several of these people (women) hate her."

 

They must be self hating women.

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Response to still_one (Reply #24)

Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:19 PM

112. What's funny is Hillary supporters acting all smug and superior....

 

It doesn't make people run TO you.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #21)

Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:38 AM

109. They say they will

 

But in their heart of hearts, they do not believe they will have to.

I think they would have a hard time if and when they are faced with the possibility for real.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 03:27 PM

22. Kick and R

Great post!

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 03:49 PM

28. Kicked and recommended a whole bunch!

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 04:09 PM

30. I read Biden is gonna run...no really...this time....

 

More votes whittled away from Clinton...?

I dunno how many would switch from Sanders to Biden, since he is also sorta status quo, y'know.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 04:12 PM

32. I haven't changed my mind

And am not the least bit surprised.,

#FeelTheBern
#Bernie2016

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 04:44 PM

39. I am voting for Hillary Clinton the next POTUS

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #39)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 04:50 PM

44. That's great, that's your choice, and I certainly won't be badgering, cajoling, nagging,

prompting, nudging, or trying to scare you into promising that a year from now, should your candidate fail to win the nomination, to make a promise right now that you will vote for mine.

I have confidence that my candidate is good enough that in the GE not just Dems will be supporting him, but every American who gets to know him and then compares him and his record to that of his opponent who will no doubt be a Corporate Tool and a warmonger, funded by major Corps without which we would probably never have heard of him/her.

And you have a right to not vote for my candidate if that is your choice. I recognize and respect that.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 04:47 PM

41. Without DU, a certain sitting POTUS would not have been.

Feel the Bern!

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Response to raven mad (Reply #41)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 04:52 PM

45. And according to many on DU back then that sitting POTUS didn't have a chance either

against the same presumed nominee.

The people decided he did, I was one of them!

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #45)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 05:33 PM

61. Didn't...............

Did a little (very, not rich here) fundraising, a little signposting.........

and when the vote came in, cried for hours, I was so happy!

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Response to raven mad (Reply #41)

Tue Oct 20, 2015, 08:41 AM

93. Wait, you think DU

 

had something to do with Obama getting elected?



Too funny. This board is quite inconsequential to the real world, and in NO way reflects the actual Democratic Party.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #93)

Tue Oct 20, 2015, 01:52 PM

100. No, what we are watching on DU is the same 'he can't win' claims we saw in 2008. That's all.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #100)

Wed Oct 21, 2015, 10:55 AM

104. That's not what the poster said, Sabrina.

 

The poster said "Without DU, a certain sitting POTUS would not have been", implying that DU is the reason Obama was elected.

That's a ridiculous assertion. Almost as ridiculous as asserting that Dr. Oz is a "good liberal".

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 04:48 PM

42. NEVER Had To Change My Mind, I Was A Bernie

supporter way, way back. Watching the Thom Hartmann Show I watched his "Brunch With Bernie" on Fridays with Bernie. There was "talk" of him running and I kept thinking PLEASE, and then he DID!

I was so elated and happy. Too many people told me over and over I was nuts, but GUESS I'm NOT!

Bernie has ALWAYS been on my mind, NOW MORE THAN EVER!

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Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #42)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 04:54 PM

47. I definitely knew he would be the best candidate we could get IF he decided to run.

But I thought he had decided against it so the next best choice of those actually running for me, was O'Malley at that time.

However once Bernie entered the race, I was so thrilled and changed my mind instantly.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #47)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 05:06 PM

51. And OUR Job Is To Do All The Heavy Lifting We Can!

TPTB is our ENEMY and we need to fight back hard. He can't do this alone! More house parties, more registrations in public places and keeping his name mentioned over and over and over.

Even in my very RED district here in FL, the momentum is building! Local Democratic Party is very DLC, but we are trying to get a place where he will be represented to disperse his bumper stickers, shirts, yard signs and all the usual advertising of candidates.

I believe I've donated 4 times, but intend to do it again. Been only giving $35, but may bump to $50. Would do a monthly donate, but my income fluctuates. Every bit helps.

Gotta run, time to cooks dinner... don't need a cranky hubby!
FEEL THE BERN!


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Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #51)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 05:12 PM

54. Absolutely I couldn't agree more. The Corporatists in both parties will be out to

stop him and they are without ethics when it comes their comfortable takeover of our government is threatened.

I am giving a monthly donation, it's small, $15.00 but he needs a 'steady income' lol for this battle.

I have also donated about three times and will be doing it again, as much as I can.


It is going to be a fight, no question.

But there are more of us than of them and as Bernie says, if we are united we will win, which is why we see so much effort to divide us.

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Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #42)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 05:18 PM

56. + a googolplex.

 

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #56)

Tue Oct 20, 2015, 01:53 AM

86. Hah! I love googolplex.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 04:48 PM

43. Bernie: to know him (and his politics) is to love him. Headed toward the Stratosphere!

 

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 05:20 PM

57. Next time, please put a warning that

an almost life size picture of Hillary's head is going to appear almost immediately upon opening the page. It scared the crap out of me.

J/K

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 05:23 PM

59. Did anyone SAY you were allowed to not support Hillary in the primaries?!?!?!?

YOURE NOT ALLOWED TO -NOT- SUPPORT HER!! YOU HEAR ME? I'M TELLING!!!!!

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #59)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 06:04 PM

62. Did someone get you upset or something? Btw, we still live in a DEMOCRACY.

You said that we are allowed to NOT vote for Hillary in the Primaries.

Well thank you very much for granting us permission not to vote for her in the primaries.

I swear I did not know that.

Now next question, are we allowed NOT to vote for her are anyone we don't support, in the General Election?

I'm trying to figure out how many of our Democratic Rights we still have.


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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #62)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 06:23 PM

64. Man, either I am losing my touch or you need to adjust your snark detector.

Short answer, I wasn't serious, there. And, I'm on Team Bernie.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #62)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 07:06 PM

68. Lol, snark meter is now adjusted! And it wasn't you actually that was pretty good. I

did need some adjustment. But if you think about, even though you were being snarky, it's getting more and more difficult to tell the difference between snark and reality. They really DO think they have the right to DEMAND votes!

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 05:27 PM

60. Thanks!

Sabrina...thank you so much for "bringing it" to this discussion board...
With all the pissing contests, snark, ad nauseum, you bring facts, a smile,
and a sense of fairness, in your posts. I honestly don't know how people I
truly respect on here, can be so excited about someone so tied in to the
corporate world; but, I try to be an adult about it....anyway, Bernie is truly
a breath of fresh air for me and someone I am genuinely excited about....
it seems we have a moment in history where we could truly do some won-
derful things for THE PEOPLE of this country...and get these same people
out of apathy and into doingness....anyway, thanks again....nickyd

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Response to N.Y. to Paris (Reply #60)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 07:42 PM

69. No problem, N.Y. to Paris. I just get tired of the nonsense here and try to avoid the

talking points and smears etc.

I don't get the support for someone who is so inconsistent on the issues, always leaning right if there is a choice and with such close ties to the Bush family and Wall St.

But like you, it's not my business who any one chooses to support.

I would rather spend the time promoting my candidate, which he makes very easy than slamming other voters, smearing other candidates etc.

Great that you feel the same way I do, really excited about a great candidate and one who isn't likely to flip flop once elected, because his long record makes that most unlikely.

However as he has said repeatedly, he can't do much of anything even if he wins, ALONE. The Political Revolution he talks about is urgently needed to help anyone who wants to change the course of this country.

So yes, the more people who 'get it' the better and they can't go away AFTER the election either.

Thanks for a great comment and glad to be on the same side in these primaries!

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Response to N.Y. to Paris (Reply #60)

Tue Oct 20, 2015, 02:04 AM

87. sabrina 1 has a wonderful mind and a way with words.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 06:09 PM

63. The real question should be aimed back at the Hillary people

Will you folks be supporting us in the General?

Go Bernie Go!

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 08:29 PM

71. It's good that you decided for Bernie

 

...I was hoping that you would have changed your mind on some of your OPs that you posted recently. Oh well one could dream.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #71)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:27 PM

75. Lol, well it's okay to change one's mind. I'm hoping you will and come on over

to the fun side. We would give you the biggest ever welcome!

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #75)

Tue Oct 20, 2015, 12:58 AM

80. Thanks for the invite

 

But I just don't think I'd be a good fit.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 09:25 PM

74. I only have one complaint

Fuck Loyalty Disclaimers.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:39 PM

77. I didn't really change my mind... sort of did...

This is a very idea rich post. So, here goes...I never thought of Hillary as my candidate. I have always wanted her to have a strong primary challenger. I thought O'Malley was going to be that challenger. He did come out swinging at one point and talked about not crowning someone just because they seem like the only choice something like that. He looked like a great alternative smart, funny, right on a lot of policies. But, then Bernie came along and I felt I had met my political soul mate. He is funny, charming, charismatic in an under the radar way, he is the most persuasive speaker I have seen in my lifetime. So, it took about 3 seconds not really it took going to Bernie's rally in Minneapolis and I switched.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 11:32 PM

79. Another people barometer for Bernie

Since Corporate Hillary isn't likely to attract new voters (she ran in 2008) has anybody gone state by state and found out how many new or changed party registrations have been filed?

These are Bernie voters in states requiring party registrations.

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Response to aspirant (Reply #79)

Tue Oct 20, 2015, 01:22 AM

84. NY had it's cut off date for non dem registrations on Oct 9th. One non voter I know registered

so she can vote for Bernie. First time voter for years.

Repubs who want to switch to Bernie now in NY can't vote for him, or the biggest bloc of registered voters, Independents.

Talk about rigged. That date should be moved forward. Wait 'til people start trying to register after getting to know Bernie and find out they can't vote in he Dem Primaries.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Tue Oct 20, 2015, 01:09 AM

81. Thanks Sabrina, you're doing good work here. Yea I'm voting for the nominee!!

The only viable candidate, the one who can get things done, good things, with a little help from his friends. BERNIE SANDERS

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Tue Oct 20, 2015, 01:16 AM

83. K & R, Sabrina!

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Tue Oct 20, 2015, 07:04 AM

91. K and effing R

 

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Tue Oct 20, 2015, 07:15 AM

92. love ya Sabrina!!

K&R

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #92)

Tue Oct 20, 2015, 09:50 AM

94. Love you back yuiyoshida!

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Tue Oct 20, 2015, 01:40 PM

99. I am officially curious

as to what those wacky Republicans might try in the event that Hillary doesn't get the nomination.

Last time, they cynically (and wrongly) thought they would scoop up the disaffected Hillary voters by offering them
Sarah Palin. Didn't work out so well because, well, "Sarah Palin"....but what might they try this time around?

I do not believe (wrongly or rightly) that the GOP is ready to put a female or non-white male candidate at the top of their ticket, even if it IS 2015 for the rest of humanity. But they might try to slip us another Sarah.

Let us all be ever vigilant.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Original post)

Wed Oct 21, 2015, 11:10 AM

105. I never changed my mind.

For years, literally, I kept repeating - If Bernie Sanders ever runs for President, he's got my vote. If Bernie Sanders ever runs for President, he's got my vote. If Bernie Sanders ever runs for President, he's got my vote.

Then it actually happened! My dream candidate/President announced he was running and that's all she wrote.

I don't know how anyone can listen to his House and Senate floor speeches and not want that man to be President. He wants to represent THE PEOPLE, not Corporations and not Wall St.. Why the entire country wouldn't be down with that is beyond me!

Go Bernie!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

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