2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary's Response to the Question about Edward Snowden
really turned me off.
Bernie Sanders' definite "NO" to the question about continuing the NSA spying on Americans was excellent. Every telephone poll, our e-mails, etc. Bernie was right.
We are not free when we are constantly under surveillance, constantly being watched.
And the odd thing about all the surveillance is that in spite of it, we have all these mass murders, some of which are virtually announced ahead of time on the internet.
So if they are watching the internet and scanning our e-mails, what are they looking for?
If it isn't criminals like these mass murderers, then is it our political opinions?
What is going on with that?
Bernie answered that so well. For me, that alone won the debate for Bernie.
Hillary's answer about the NSA surveillance and the Patriot Act was particularly pandering and disgusting. That was for me the low point of the debate.
And I hate to mention this negative issue, because overall the debate was great for the Democratic Party. Hillary spoke of her work for the Children's Defense Fund when she got out of law school, but I cannot understand a lawyer who even did a bit of criminal work according to one of the books about her, defending the NSA's overbroad surveillance program. It is hard for me to understand how she can justify it. Get a warrant. That's the law. That's in the Constitution. If you don't have a warrant, you don't look at my private e-mails. And if you don't define them as private for purposes of the 4th Amendment, I ask you why do you think we have passwords (hate them myself) to get access to our own e-mails. A password is a lock. If I haven't given you the key, dear NSA, then you should not be reading them. (Not that my e-mails are of any interest to anyone anyway but it is a question of the principle.)
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)He made a choice.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Even think he said "penalized".
senz
(11,945 posts)Bernie said something to the effect that breaking the law carries penalties. Hers seemed more vindictive, his was more straight-up legal.