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Tue Sep 22, 2015, 09:22 PM

 

How Bernie Sanders greeted Pope Francis

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/09/22/how-bernie-sanders-greeted-pope-francis/
(great video at link, followed immediately by hysterical Colbert interview)

The very minute that Pope Francis set foot on American soil Tuesday, Sen. Bernard Sanders (I-Vt.) stood on the Senate floor hailing his arrival, in a quick demonstration of the political dimensions of the papal visit.

Sanders, a presidential candidate and one of the most liberal members of Congress, spent 11 minutes praising the pope for "speaking out with courage and brilliance about some of the most important issues facing our world" — mainly, matters of economic inequality.

He went on to quote several of Francis's statements in "Evangelii Gaudium," his 2013 exhortation critical of a global economic system that favors the rich over the poor.

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Reply How Bernie Sanders greeted Pope Francis (Original post)
magical thyme Sep 2015 OP
Meldread Sep 2015 #1
beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #9
Le Taz Hot Sep 2015 #14
magical thyme Sep 2015 #15
Meldread Sep 2015 #16
magical thyme Sep 2015 #17
Meldread Sep 2015 #18
Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #2
Duppers Sep 2015 #4
Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #5
George II Sep 2015 #3
djean111 Sep 2015 #6
Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #8
Ron Green Sep 2015 #10
rusty quoin Sep 2015 #7
pacalo Sep 2015 #11
WillyT Sep 2015 #12
Enthusiast Sep 2015 #13

Response to magical thyme (Original post)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 09:57 PM

1. Thanks for the link.

As an atheist, I find it disappointing that everyone is fawning over this man. However, even more distressingly is that while we may hold agreement with him on some issues, we are not holding him accountable on others. Namely, Queer rights and Women's Rights issues.

As liberals it is our duty to hold people of power and influence accountable. This man is no different.

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Response to Meldread (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 11:58 PM

9. As a fellow atheist, feminist and a Bernista I agree with you.

I am already sick of the Popapalooza.

This man represents a misogynistic, homophobic institution and I will not stay silent because Bernie agrees with him on some issues.

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Response to Meldread (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 23, 2015, 01:29 PM

14. I think we need to take a que from the Sanders campaign

and try to find issues in which we have common ground, such as income inequality and the devastating effects of climate change. He's basically doing with the Pope what he did at Liberty University. We've had enough divisiveness -- it's time to find common ground.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #14)

Wed Sep 23, 2015, 02:10 PM

15. ^^^^exactly!!!!

 

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #14)

Wed Sep 23, 2015, 10:06 PM

16. Perhaps it is easy for you.

Perhaps it is easy for you to find common ground with someone who does not view you as a second class human being, and does not actively support policies and positions that seek to deprive you of liberty and dignity.

As someone who is not only a direct recipient of those attacks, but someone who belongs to a community that is under active assault by the institution in which this man leads there is no such common ground. It is difficult to make common ground with someone who says things like the following:

In an interview with veteran Italian journalists Andrea Tornielli and Giacomo Galeazzi, the pope compares genetic manipulation and nuclear weapons with gender theory, a broad term for how people learn to identify themselves sexually and how it’s transmitted culturally.


It is distressing to have our concerns labeled as "divisive" when we know the true source of the divisiveness is not those who fight for freedom and human rights, but those who seek to deny it. The divisiveness ends when the Pope and the Catholic Church as a whole reforms itself and its policies.

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Response to Meldread (Reply #16)

Wed Sep 23, 2015, 10:11 PM

17. do you think women are not seen as 2nd class citizens?

 

around the world, including here in the US?

I also know that 1st class citizen or 2nd class citizen, I still need to eat, to have a roof over my head, warmth in the winter.

Until those those essentials are available to every citizen, everything else comes 2nd, imo.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #17)

Wed Sep 23, 2015, 10:33 PM

18. Yes.

Yes, women are second class citizens as well. The rights for women and queer rights are directly linked with the fight against patriarchal culture. Queer people are attacked and brutalized because they are in violation of gender norms--gay men are supposed to marry women, trans* women are supposed to "be men", etc. All of it is directly linked to the same root cause, and that same cause is also the source of oppression against women queer and non-queer alike.

You can't un-link the need to eat and have a roof over your head from a minority status. Take, for example, the homeless youth in America. Over half of the homeless youth in the United States are queer. They are not homeless because they don't have jobs. They are not homeless because they don't have homes. They are homeless because of the discrimination and often abuse from their families. Then, once homeless, because so many services are run by religious groups--such as Catholic Charities--it is difficult for them to get services, or to find ways of being open about who they are.

Want to talk about jobs? What about the discrimination against queer people in employment? I am not talking about just being fired from a job, but being denied a job or even a promotion at a job because of your sexual orientation, gender identity, or gender expression.

You cannot un-link these things. It is possible to make things better by targeting the overall whole, but it would only make things marginally better for the Queer community, while the heterosexual and cis-gender community reap most of the benefits and gains. It's not a situation where there is equal benefit. It is a situation where one community benefits disproportionately, while another community benefits marginally, and the overall situation becomes more unequal.

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Response to magical thyme (Original post)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 10:08 PM

2. "The Golden Calf."



He went on to quote several of Francis's statements in "Evangelii Gaudium," his 2013 exhortation critical of a global economic system that favors the rich over the poor.

Among them: "We have created new idols. The worship of the Golden Calf of old has found a new and heartless image in the cult of money and the dictatorship of an economy which is faceless and lacking any truly humane goal."

Said Sanders, "I think the pope is right in saying that that is not something that we should be doing."

Another of Sanders's favorite papal quotations: "Today, everything comes under the laws of competition and the survival of the fittest, where the powerful feed upon the powerless. As a consequence, masses of people find themselves excluded and marginalized, without work, without possibilities, without any means of escape."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/09/22/how-bernie-sanders-greeted-pope-francis/



Thanks for the thread, magical thyme.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 11:45 PM

4. Thanks for posting these EXCELLENT quotes.

Don't think I would've looked them up.

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Response to Duppers (Reply #4)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 11:47 PM

5. Thank you, Duppers.

Peace to you.

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Response to magical thyme (Original post)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 11:39 PM

3. I thought he was on a picket line with Federal workers?

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Response to George II (Reply #3)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 11:56 PM

8. He was, Bernie gets around.



That crowd of cheering striking government workers he addressed is almost entirely composed of black workers. And his support and advocacy for them, is nothing new. It isn't out of political calculation or expediency. It's born of conviction.

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The white-haired Sanders is a well-known figure among some of the Capitol Hill workers in the audience on Tuesday, particularly those who work in the Dirksen Cafeteria, where he has his office. Sanders regularly makes the rounds with the cafeteria workers, talking inequality and unions and fair pay, and sometimes pausing for selfies in Dirksen’s halls. Most of them are more accustomed to serving senators coffee and cleaning up their hallways than protesting with them.

“He’s an awesome dude,” said Anthony Thomas, a cafeteria worker who recalled chatting with Sanders one-on-one outside during a work break. “This is the third time he’s taken his time out of his busy schedule to come support our strike.”



http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251614140

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Response to George II (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 23, 2015, 12:08 AM

10. Not only can he do both of these things,

he can get introduced by Cornel West one day and tell the truth at Liberty University the next.

He's a President for everybody.

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Response to magical thyme (Original post)

Tue Sep 22, 2015, 11:55 PM

7. I just love this.

 

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Response to rusty quoin (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 23, 2015, 02:01 AM

11. It's both cool & fun.



I love it, too.

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Response to magical thyme (Original post)

Wed Sep 23, 2015, 10:26 AM

12. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

 


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Response to magical thyme (Original post)

Wed Sep 23, 2015, 01:09 PM

13. Kicked and recommended!

Thank you, magical thyme.

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