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Related: About this forumHillary's sign - the big red arrow pointing the right
My grandson commented on Hillary's logo with the big red arrow pointing to the right. He wondered if this meant that she is to become more right wing (as it red). I never really noticed this until now.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)sheshe2
(83,746 posts)From Rosa
My grandson commented on Hillary's logo with the big red arrow pointing to the right. He wondered if this meant that she is to become more right wing (as it red). I never really noticed this until now.
Bernie takes us backwards as Hillary takes us forward. It is all about the interpretation.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Because you read from left to right? Not all languages do that.
Your preconception is the problem.
The interpretation should be clear. Bernie is pulling Hillary to the left politically. If you have some other opinion then please post exactly what it is that Bernie is proposing that would be moving us backwards. I am betting you can't.
Your post seems to be nothing but a really bad attempt at spin.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Thanks for confirming that.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)you had a great point...
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)move from left to right.
The past is to the left and the future is to the right.
This is still a country where the vast majority of people read books and timelines from left to right, despite all our diversity.
Hollingsworth
(88 posts)Go Vols
(5,902 posts)emulatorloo
(44,118 posts)< >
< back | forward >
People who are web-savvy understand this convention no matter what language they speak.
This discussion is idiotic and we already had it and did it to death.
LoveIsNow
(356 posts)That the New Deal and Great Society were just terrible mistakes that need to be rolled back, and neoliberalism and mass privatization are the wave of the future?
Maybe those ideas have more adherents on DU than we would like to believe.
Personally, I believe neoliberalism and privatization will be a blip in history, and eventually we will get back on track. The course of freedom only runs in one direction.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)How is that backwards. H. Clinton wants money for Goldman-Sachs and Wall Fracking Street.
Do you really think that forward is to the right or left?
We want to reduce the 22% child poverty rate what do you want? We want to stop the Free Trade agreements that are killing American jobs, what do you want? We want to avoid wars like Iraq, do you? Which way is forward? Mores wars?
We want the 1% to pay their fair share to send our children to college, don't you?
We want to stop the XL Pipeline to avoid the environmental damage like what happened to the Gulf. I hope you agree.
We want to end fracking that is destroying the water supplies of the 99%. How do you stand? Clinton likes fracking. Big profits for oil companies and contaminated water for the peons. Where do you stand?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)What is wrong with you, don't you know that perception is everything?
If sheshe says Hillary is more progressive than Bernie then she just is.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)Pompoms?
Rah rah cis boom bah!
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)Every time I see it, I chuckle.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,066 posts)That's always been (and still is) my main concern about Clinton.
GoneOffShore
(17,339 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)Evolving, forever evolving.
840high
(17,196 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)A Bernie "B" pulling a Hillary "H Weather vane" which keeps flipping as it is being pulled.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Evil Sanders supporters!
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Please read posts numbered 4,5 and 8.
We have already tried this and the Clinton supporter has no rational for this argument.
If you have one, please present it.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Graphic deleted because Scootaloo beat me to it!
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)huge arrow in GOP red pointing to the right...at least it's truthful.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)BTW, from Tennessee!
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)from....well, that's obvious I guess.
The South is gonna rise again...but this time with help from a Democratic Socialist, and as an important part of the union.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)I've lived here for 30 years. TN is a long way from electing a socialist. The closest we've come was a centrist pro business Democrat named Phil Bredesen. He was a good governor but he was The only statewide Democrat elected in many moons. Al Gore lost TN. Blowing sunshine is not going to rebuild the Democratic Party in TN
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Governor Pilot has pissed off a lot of people by trying to privatize the maintenance of our state colleges, parks and other state-run institution. That means people's jobs.
mak3cats
(1,573 posts)...there's a branch of my mom's family that moved down to Tennessee in the 60's. I have a cousin who is in her mid-60's who has great-great-grandkids (my cousin had her first child at 15, I believe, and the pattern continues), and many in her family has had to depend on government assistance at some point. Socialism didn't suck for them. This is a case of people voting against their own best interests.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Go Vols
(5,902 posts)Little by little it will be done.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027163878
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)aidbo
(2,328 posts)Made me wonder what they were thinking. Someone has to have pointed that out when they were coming up with it.
I know we read left to right and that subconsciously an arrow pointing right implies going 'forward', but it just seems pretty tone-deaf.
They could have tried switching colors and have a blue arrow pointing right.
I don't know why it jumps out at me so much, but there it is.
Oh and I'm sure you'll get some folks saying this is a non-issue, but I think it matters because either 1: someone knew exactly what they were doing and did it on purpose or 2: nobody even noticed it or gave it a second thought which would speak poorly toward her team.
I don't know which is worse, but I have an idea which is more likely.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Do you
A) Turn right or
B) Drive forward onto a washed out bridge?
This "a right arrow means moving forward" meme is hogwash
aidbo
(2,328 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)Because I found the logo disturbing from the first moment I saw it and couldn't figure out why.
The closest I could get to it was that it seemed like a fake dynamism.
aidbo
(2,328 posts)Heck, some christian fundies would look at that and say that the arrow represents the devil, 'cuz he's got a pointy red tail.
I get a sense that the logo was too contrived.
Also, it's more red than blue. Just sayin'.
Contrived.
artislife
(9,497 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)jimlup
(7,968 posts)I was surprised that no one in her organization pointed that out and stopped it. I mean, I'll assume for now that it was simply an oversight but I mean it was kinda obvious...
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)The logo indicates a clear move to the right, as do her policies. No more DINOs. Not now. Not ever.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)A left arrow goes back in the past.
Look at any timeline.
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)Thanks. That's all I need to know about you.
Bye
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)I guess you don't read.
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)I have a Ph.D. Sorry about you.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)Hollingsworth
(88 posts)I don't think you mean that and I don't think your argument holds much water either.
Moving to the right is not progress it is regress. We are talking politics here, not futuristic sci fi.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)to the Right and I think some think that is heaven.
We need to reduce the 22% child poverty rate. The god Goldman-Sachs doesn't care, do you?
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)it helps Bernie to have his supporters deliberately alienate future voters? Assuming you think he'll win?
The future is the direction that we're all heading. All timelines designate the future with arrows moving to the right. Hillary's arrow points toward the future.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)quo that has for the last 40 years seen Goldman-Sachs and Wall Street growing wealthier and the 99% getting poorer. Whose side are you on?
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)I used to think that with her organization Hillary had a much greater chance of being that person, but Bernie has impressed me.
Unfortunately, many of his supporters make me want to run in the other direction.
As for my vote, I'm going to wait for the debates before I make up my mind. I respect both candidates and Martin O'Malley as well. I doubt that Biden will run.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)a war, I was adamant that we should do whatever we could to not let them kill Iraqis for profits. I knew that the Democrats couldn't actually stop them but I relied on them to at least expose Bush and Mr. Evil for the wicked humans they are. Some Democrats had the guts to stand up for what was right and some betrayed us and hundreds of thousands of humans died because of it. I watched the vote on CSpan and was distraught. Kill innocent Iraqis because Bush and Cheney wanted their oil. How many tens of thousands of Iraqi children were killed? How many killed by land mines, phosphorus shells, and the cluster bombs that children mistook for toys? How many American soldiers were killed or wounded? How much money, how many trillions of dollars went from the middle and lower classes to the war profiteers? Iraqi lives and American troops lives matter. I can not forgive H. Clinton for her betrayal.
And I am astounded as to how others can.
Around the world peoples are standing up to oil companies and other companies that are destroying our environment and looting our wealth. The billionaires may be successful in buying the WH for H. Clinton, but they can not kill our dreams of the freedoms and liberties that our founders fought so hard for us. We will fight the oligarchs for ever just as our founders fought.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)They made the terrible mistake of believing Colin Powell, who had until then been a respected figure for both parties -- he was once even recruited to run for President as a Democrat.
Kennedy knew better because he had access to top secret information as a member of the Armed Services Committee -- but he didn't blame those who voted the wrong way because he couldn't share the truth with them.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)telling the world that the intelligence was bogus, they believed Colin Powell about some pipes. Even if Powell was telling the truth, it would have been a very weak reason to justify killing a hundred thousands innocent Iraqi children. The pipes would have meant Iraq was in the process of building a facility to make WMD. Years away. No hurry. All other evidence at the time was debunked.
They trusted the Bush Admin. That is enough to disqualify them for the presidency of the USofA. Were you aware that the spent Uranium shells we used there left uranium dust and is causing cancer at a high rate. The deaths continue from that mistake. How many of our troops are living in our streets with injuries and mental disorders. All because the Bush Admin wanted the oil in Iraq. How many of those that made the decision got rich off the war?
If the excuse was we got bad intelligence, why wasn't the head of the CIA fired? He got the medal of freedom because his intelligence accomplished what was needed by those wanting war, wanting profits for our MIC at the terrible cost of Iraqi lives that some want to sweep under the carpet.
Because Ted Kennedy didn't blame them in public, doesn't mean anything in politics.
It was a mistake that killed maybe a million people and turned 5 million Iraqis into refugees, and some just turn their heads, look the other way and pretend it is inconsequential. Those responsible for the "mistake" need to be held responsible.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)to really stop Bush, because the Rethugs could have passed any resolution they wanted in January. So in October they passed an IWR with U.N. conditions that Bush ignored. In retrospect this was wrong -- at least in the sense that it didn't work to rein Bush in -- but I can see why they thought it was worth attempting.
mak3cats
(1,573 posts)"As for my vote, I'm going to wait for the debates before I make up my mind."
Isn't it a real shame that the debates are being controlled by one individual? And that the opportunity for people to make up their minds are being delayed (maybe beyond reclamation) by that same individual?
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AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Because around here, going right means going backward.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)That's true leadership. Not.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)and going right means going forward in time.
That's probably why you haven't noticed this before. You've seen more timelines and number lines than your grandson.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)aidbo
(2,328 posts)But Hillary's has more red than blue and the blue behind the red.
Still this is all pretty much just speculation.
This is not a reason to vote for or agains any candidate, just fun diversion.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)Thanks for noticing.
aidbo
(2,328 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)fun!
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)And I find it almost impossible to believe that no one in her campaign thought of that either.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)The first day they rolled it out, several at DU noticed. There's no way this wasn't done by design. Everything her campaign does or says is very much by design.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)"How many people do you think will get it?"
"Not enough!" *laughs*
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)Guess she should also have a barcode on it so we can scan and find out how much she is being bought for by the corporate powers and Wall Street money
GoneOffShore
(17,339 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Toward the future.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Has said that it is the devil's pitchfork since so many here think she's evil
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Eko
(7,281 posts)right as in "on the right path" as opposed to the wrong one. When you start interpreting symbols with no basis in fact it could be anything. "feel the bern" could be we are all going to burn in a nuclear blast because Sanders is so anti war that he will leave us vulnerable, stupid and silly and not worth a discussion but here we are discussing what possible interpretations they could possibly be. I know, I know, there is all the evidence in the world that Clinton is a closet republican even though she was the 11th most liberal member of the senate while she was in it. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/03/31/1374629/-Hillary-Clinton-Was-the-11th-Most-Liberal-Member-of-the-Senate. Who was 1st? Sanders of course. Props to him, but you dont see me wondering things based off of inane symbology or a catchphrase other than a stupid, silly argument just for the sake of discussion.
GoneOffShore
(17,339 posts)To go backwards, select R.
jfern
(5,204 posts)Eko
(7,281 posts)that my nephew looked at Sanders and said he looked like an insane scientist that would blow up the world, should I post an op on this? Is that op worthy? Of course I am being facetious, maybe ironic, without a doubt humorous. but once again, here we are.
radiclib
(1,811 posts)Once a Goldwater girl...
yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)riversedge
(70,197 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)That she must always be opposing us, by facing the opposite direction?
That is pretty harsh.
yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)And since anyone arguing that movement to the left must be movement backward, it is the only logical conclusion.
The graphic is clearly referring to the political left. Arguing that moving left politically is moving backward is what conservatives do. I really think there is no place for it on a progressive site.
yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)is not always confrontational. Important decisions are made face to face.
There is no discussion when facing away from one another or just following.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)I said opposition.
But I agree this is not a rational discussion.
That was kinda my point.
Read the entire sub thread. It should be obvious when the spin begins.
yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)looks "Right" to everyone else?
Interesting message...
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)The River
(2,615 posts)is a blue equal sign rotated 90 degrees. The red arrow looks
like it was borrowed from the symbol used to designate the male gender.
What's the real message here Mrs. Clinton?
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Last edited Sun Sep 13, 2015, 04:17 PM - Edit history (1)
My first reaction to it did not go over well.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026500564
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Silly me.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)malokvale77
(4,879 posts)Personally, I think it is the "ugliest" campaign logo I have ever seen.
Jeb! is only silly in comparison.
Hollingsworth
(88 posts)the variations of it's use are quite pleasing and clever:
?w=1600
YabaDabaNoDinoNo
(460 posts)if it is ones priorities are well just fucked up.
Ones support and vote should be based upon the ISSUES, nothing more.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)he's not that old
MoveIt
(399 posts)*whew*
demwing
(16,916 posts)And inspires more worry than hope, imo
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)Ask him if there is another way to interpret it that would make more sense. It would be a good lesson in how we read things we come into contact with when we have preconceived notions. Very teachable moment in critical thinking.
Is this one of the "issues" Sanders supporters keep saying we need to get back to discussing?
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)When I first saw Hillary's logo I snickered and thought to myself "that really says it all", so I went with it and came up with this as my twitter avatar
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)By mocking another candidates logo.
Class act.
Not red. Not blue. Just being real.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)about me on where I stand. American's shouldn't have to settle for this lesser of 2 evils corporate bullshit any longer.
Class act? More like a case study in reality.
You sound mad though. You should be considering how out of control our system and 99% of our reps are.
*side note. It's funny, you're actually the first person who's gotten upset over my logo. I've gotten hundreds of compliments on it XD
brooklynite
(94,508 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Nobody is focusing on it.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)XL Pipeline, Arctic drilling, fracking, college debt, prison non-reform, and other issues.
It's silly to make fun of her arrow pointing toward the Right Wing. She admits she isn't a progressive. We need a progressive to counter the Right Wing and not "compromise" with them.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)... whether intentionally or not.
Americans mostly perceive right as "forward" though as well, probably because we read in that direction.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)A red male arrow and angular everywhere. No curves or softness. It's stark.
The Bernie symbols I see here have some flair to them.
JMO...seemed weird to me, but someone brought it up and, well....
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)First thought, ugh...arrow pointing to the right.
Second thought....figures.
It has to be deliberate, to send a message. If she wanted to court Progressives, the arrow would be pointing LEFT.
Her actions and policies fit her right arrow too.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)I picked that off right away myself.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,175 posts)There's probably not much you can do with an "H" that won't get somebody's bowels in an uproar.
I love Silly Season!
arcane1
(38,613 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)a grandson