Fri Sep 11, 2015, 09:33 PM

Hillary's sign - the big red arrow pointing the right

My grandson commented on Hillary's logo with the big red arrow pointing to the right. He wondered if this meant that she is to become more right wing (as it red). I never really noticed this until now.

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Hillary's sign - the big red arrow pointing the right (Original post)	Rosa Luxemburg	Sep 2015	OP
Show him this	Motown_Johnny	Sep 2015	#1
Yes we can read a lot of things into it.	sheshe2	Sep 2015	#3
Why is right forward and left backward?	Motown_Johnny	Sep 2015	#4
...	sheshe2	Sep 2015	#5
So I was right. No substance to your post	Motown_Johnny	Sep 2015	#8
yep smh	PatrynXX	Sep 2015	#69
Why? Because in the English-speaking world, sentences and all timelines	pnwmom	Sep 2015	#28
A lot of us are fighting against a future further to the right.	Hollingsworth	Sep 2015	#45
for years	Go Vols	Sep 2015	#90
Look at the > 'forward' and < 'backward' buttons on your web browser	emulatorloo	Sep 2015	#103
Isn't that more or less what Bill Clinton argued?	LoveIsNow	Sep 2015	#106
Sen Sanders wants a higher min wage, and money for college, and money for our infrastructure.	rhett o rick	Sep 2015	#9
You're citing facts???	beam me up scottie	Sep 2015	#15
Some here think progressive is moving to the Right. How sad. nm	rhett o rick	Sep 2015	#55
Why would you expect people to discuss ISSUES, when it's so much fun to just shake the	kath	Sep 2015	#67
This'un's better	Scootaloo	Sep 2015	#21
That never gets olds.	aikoaiko	Sep 2015	#22
That must be pointing to the Third Way.	mhatrw	Sep 2015	#37
Love it!	Ms. Toad	Sep 2015	#44
Totally brilliant. Totally true.	GoneOffShore	Sep 2015	#47
.	rhett o rick	Sep 2015	#51
That really says it all	MissDeeds	Sep 2015	#66
Love that one.	840high	Sep 2015	#72
what would really be great....	Motown_Johnny	Sep 2015	#85
That is clearly the word "BATH" - Sanders supporters are saying Hillary needs a bath!	cyberswede	Sep 2015	#78
I like this one because I originally had the same reaction as the child. nt	Mojorabbit	Sep 2015	#83
Why would we want someone tied around our ankel pulling us backward? nt.	SouthernProgressive	Sep 2015	#92
Why do you think moving left is backward?	Motown_Johnny	Sep 2015	#96
Or this	hifiguy	Sep 2015	#111
Observant Grandson - Many Puzzled Over That Logo - I Think He Has It Nailed	cantbeserious	Sep 2015	#2
I said that on the day they released the logo.	NorthCarolina	Sep 2015	#6
My first thought, too.	Fawke Em	Sep 2015	#10
Hey back to you too	NorthCarolina	Sep 2015	#12
Socialism will not play well in TN	redstateblues	Sep 2015	#36
I don't know.	Fawke Em	Sep 2015	#60
And that's really unfortunate...	mak3cats	Sep 2015	#65
My commie friend lived in Memphis for quite some time.	Ed Suspicious	Sep 2015	#71
"A candidate who trusted the intelligence of voters (in Nashville!) wins a decisive victory."	Go Vols	Sep 2015	#93
New Nashville mayor:	Admiral Loinpresser	Sep 2015	#101
I noticed that the first time I saw it!	aidbo	Sep 2015	#7
If you came to a detour sign with that arrow painted on it	Dragonfli	Sep 2015	#17
The machine knows!	aidbo	Sep 2015	#19
That's interesting.	zentrum	Sep 2015	#27
We may be over-analyzing it.	aidbo	Sep 2015	#34
Egg-zactly	zentrum	Sep 2015	#63
Nancy Reagan red? nt	artislife	Sep 2015	#11
Bill Clinton Blue (sp)	reddread	Sep 2015	#14
Painted over a red used car to sell it. /nt	Dragonfli	Sep 2015	#18
Snap!	hifiguy	Sep 2015	#112
I noticed it when it was first used...	jimlup	Sep 2015	#13
+1	Tommymac	Sep 2015	#74
Your grandson is very perceptive	MissDeeds	Sep 2015	#16
Nonsense. Going right means to go forward into the future.	pnwmom	Sep 2015	#26
Going right means to go forward	MissDeeds	Sep 2015	#38
ALL timelines in English go from left to right. All books in English go from left to right.	pnwmom	Sep 2015	#41
Nice try	MissDeeds	Sep 2015	#46
So you say. But something major got left out of your education. n/t	pnwmom	Sep 2015	#54
The English readers have it the right way over all others that read in different directions?	Hollingsworth	Sep 2015	#95
So you think the Right is the goal? I can see how you get that. GoldmanSux is	rhett o rick	Sep 2015	#53
You know you're twisting what I said. The question is why. Do you think	pnwmom	Sep 2015	#57
Sen Sanders supporters want change to help the 99% and get away from the status	rhett o rick	Sep 2015	#59
I'm on the side of the Democrat who goes to the general.	pnwmom	Sep 2015	#61
I wish you could understand this. In 2002 when Bush and Mr. Evil were trying to lie us into	rhett o rick	Sep 2015	#73
Ted Kennedy didn't blame Hillary, John Kerry, or Joe Biden for that vote and neither do I.	pnwmom	Sep 2015	#79
You are saying that Colin Powell fooled them. While the Germans and French were	rhett o rick	Sep 2015	#89
And the other half is what you already mentioned. There was nothing they could do	pnwmom	Sep 2015	#100
Slightly off-topic, but you have just said something very important...	mak3cats	Sep 2015	#77
This message was self-deleted by its author	840high	Sep 2015	#75
Then you are in the wrong party	AgingAmerican	Sep 2015	#116
It makes a spiffy weather vane	hootinholler	Sep 2015	#20
LOL	Rosa Luxemburg	Sep 2015	#23
Exactly	MissDeeds	Sep 2015	#42
Explain to him that on a time line, going left means going back in time	pnwmom	Sep 2015	#24
At least they could made it blue?	Rosa Luxemburg	Sep 2015	#29
Bernie has a red white and blue logo as well. That's pretty standard. n/t	pnwmom	Sep 2015	#30
More blue than red in Bernie's logo, and the blue is above the red.	aidbo	Sep 2015	#43
This whole thread is insane.	pnwmom	Sep 2015	#58
How many angels could dance on the head of a pin?	aidbo	Sep 2015	#62
Yep	Rosa Luxemburg	Sep 2015	#115
I've asked that since the second it came out.	SoapBox	Sep 2015	#25
You find it almost impossible to believe. I find it completely impossible to believe.	DisgustipatedinCA	Sep 2015	#32
I'm sure they did	Hydra	Sep 2015	#33
Truth in Advertising	tomm2thumbs	Sep 2015	#31
Nailed it.	GoneOffShore	Sep 2015	#50
I always saw it as pointing forward.	DesertRat	Sep 2015	#35
I'm surprised no one on DU	redstateblues	Sep 2015	#39
Maybe it is a missile pointed at Iran? n/t	mhatrw	Sep 2015	#40
It could just as easily be	Eko	Sep 2015	#48
To go forward select D	GoneOffShore	Sep 2015	#49
"I plead guilty" - Hillary	jfern	Sep 2015	#52
I also want to comment	Eko	Sep 2015	#56
This should settle it	radiclib	Sep 2015	#64
but doesn't it point to HER left? if you see me moving right I'm actually moving to my left. eom	yawnmaster	Sep 2015	#68
Bingo.	riversedge	Sep 2015	#70
So you assume that she will never stand beside us?	Motown_Johnny	Sep 2015	#84
hmmmmm....so people facing you are always opposing you? interesting. eom	yawnmaster	Sep 2015	#120
Physically, yes.	Motown_Johnny	Sep 2015	#121
guess that really limits rational conversation. I think one needs to realize that face to face ...	yawnmaster	Sep 2015	#125
I didn't say confrontation	Motown_Johnny	Sep 2015	#129
It has been obvious. eom	yawnmaster	Sep 2015	#131
So, what looks "Left" to Hillary	demwing	Sep 2015	#88
and fairly accurate	Go Vols	Sep 2015	#94
All I See	The River	Sep 2015	#76
heh	Zorra	Sep 2015	#80
I thought we were done with Arrowghazi.	NuclearDem	Sep 2015	#81
Slow day at the outrage factory.	JoePhilly	Sep 2015	#127
Very smart grandson you have there.	malokvale77	Sep 2015	#82
The initial blue with red arrow, yes. I thought it was butt ugly too. But	Hollingsworth	Sep 2015	#105
Ones vote and support for a presidential candidate should not be based upon a logo	YabaDabaNoDinoNo	Sep 2015	#86
Well exactly	Rosa Luxemburg	Sep 2015	#98
so you are saying that losing his vote wont affect Hillary's numbers?	MoveIt	Sep 2015	#102
Looks like a street sign pointing to a Hospital	demwing	Sep 2015	#87
Critical thinking skills.	SouthernProgressive	Sep 2015	#91
An observation	Rosa Luxemburg	Sep 2015	#97
Well there is always this :)	pinebox	Sep 2015	#99
It says a lot about you that you support a candidate...	Agschmid	Sep 2015	#118
Actually it says a lot	pinebox	Sep 2015	#123
That's what you want to focus on, is it?	brooklynite	Sep 2015	#104
Just a mere observation	Rosa Luxemburg	Sep 2015	#107
Not me. I want to focus on her standing with the 1% on fracking, the TPP, drone killing,	rhett o rick	Sep 2015	#108
Could be communicating that	DirkGently	Sep 2015	#109
Towards red?	Rosa Luxemburg	Sep 2015	#110
Wait until you hear what I first saw...true...	libdem4life	Sep 2015	#113
interesting observation	Rosa Luxemburg	Sep 2015	#114
It means moving forward towards communism	treestar	Sep 2015	#117
That was the first thing I noticed when I saw it.	in_cog_ni_to	Sep 2015	#119
Yup	pinebox	Sep 2015	#124
Maybe she should just use her middle name? (It's Diane, BTW)	Buns_of_Fire	Sep 2015	#122
Regardless of what it means, it's fucking hideous. Even worse than the stupid "D" logo nt	arcane1	Sep 2015	#126
This is a hugely important policy issue. Just the kind of thing that Hillary bashers focus on.	DanTex	Sep 2015	#128
Only	Rosa Luxemburg	Sep 2015	#130

Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 09:36 PM

Motown_Johnny (22,308 posts)

1. Show him this

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 09:41 PM

sheshe2 (78,175 posts)

3. Yes we can read a lot of things into it.

From Rosa

Hillary's sign - the big red arrow pointing the right
My grandson commented on Hillary's logo with the big red arrow pointing to the right. He wondered if this meant that she is to become more right wing (as it red). I never really noticed this until now.

Bernie takes us backwards as Hillary takes us forward. It is all about the interpretation.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #3)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 09:46 PM

Motown_Johnny (22,308 posts)

4. Why is right forward and left backward?

Because you read from left to right? Not all languages do that.

Your preconception is the problem.

The interpretation should be clear. Bernie is pulling Hillary to the left politically. If you have some other opinion then please post exactly what it is that Bernie is proposing that would be moving us backwards. I am betting you can't.

Your post seems to be nothing but a really bad attempt at spin.

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #4)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 09:48 PM

sheshe2 (78,175 posts)

5. ...

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #5)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 09:49 PM

Motown_Johnny (22,308 posts)

8. So I was right. No substance to your post

Thanks for confirming that.

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #8)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:56 PM

PatrynXX (5,668 posts)

69. yep smh

you had a great point...

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #4)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 10:47 PM

pnwmom (107,639 posts)

28. Why? Because in the English-speaking world, sentences and all timelines

move from left to right.

The past is to the left and the future is to the right.

This is still a country where the vast majority of people read books and timelines from left to right, despite all our diversity.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #28)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:08 PM

Hollingsworth (88 posts)

45. A lot of us are fighting against a future further to the right.

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Response to Hollingsworth (Reply #45)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:51 AM

Go Vols (5,902 posts)

90. for years

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #4)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 02:16 PM

emulatorloo (41,177 posts)

103. Look at the > 'forward' and < 'backward' buttons on your web browser

< >

< back | forward >

People who are web-savvy understand this convention no matter what language they speak.

This discussion is idiotic and we already had it and did it to death.

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #4)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 02:49 PM

LoveIsNow (356 posts)

106. Isn't that more or less what Bill Clinton argued?

That the New Deal and Great Society were just terrible mistakes that need to be rolled back, and neoliberalism and mass privatization are the wave of the future?

Maybe those ideas have more adherents on DU than we would like to believe.

Personally, I believe neoliberalism and privatization will be a blip in history, and eventually we will get back on track. The course of freedom only runs in one direction.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #3)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 09:54 PM

rhett o rick (55,981 posts)

9. Sen Sanders wants a higher min wage, and money for college, and money for our infrastructure.

How is that backwards. H. Clinton wants money for Goldman-Sachs and Wall Fracking Street.

Do you really think that forward is to the right or left?

We want to reduce the 22% child poverty rate what do you want? We want to stop the Free Trade agreements that are killing American jobs, what do you want? We want to avoid wars like Iraq, do you? Which way is forward? Mores wars?

We want the 1% to pay their fair share to send our children to college, don't you?

We want to stop the XL Pipeline to avoid the environmental damage like what happened to the Gulf. I hope you agree.

We want to end fracking that is destroying the water supplies of the 99%. How do you stand? Clinton likes fracking. Big profits for oil companies and contaminated water for the peons. Where do you stand?

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #9)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 10:02 PM

beam me up scottie (57,349 posts)

15. You're citing facts???

What is wrong with you, don't you know that perception is everything?

If sheshe says Hillary is more progressive than Bernie then she just is.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #15)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:15 PM

rhett o rick (55,981 posts)

55. Some here think progressive is moving to the Right. How sad. nm

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #9)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:45 PM

kath (10,565 posts)

67. Why would you expect people to discuss ISSUES, when it's so much fun to just shake the

Pompoms?
Rah rah cis boom bah!

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 10:30 PM

Scootaloo (25,699 posts)

21. This'un's better

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #21)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 10:37 PM

aikoaiko (33,302 posts)

22. That never gets olds.

Every time I see it, I chuckle.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #21)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 10:59 PM

mhatrw (10,786 posts)

37. That must be pointing to the Third Way.

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Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:06 PM

Ms. Toad (31,349 posts)

44. Love it!

That's always been (and still is) my main concern about Clinton.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #21)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:09 PM

GoneOffShore (16,873 posts)

47. Totally brilliant. Totally true.

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Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:12 PM

rhett o rick (55,981 posts)

51. .

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #21)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:35 PM

MissDeeds (7,499 posts)

66. That really says it all

Evolving, forever evolving.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #21)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 12:07 AM

840high (17,196 posts)

72. Love that one.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #21)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 07:55 AM

Motown_Johnny (22,308 posts)

85. what would really be great....

A Bernie "B" pulling a Hillary "H Weather vane" which keeps flipping as it is being pulled.

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #1)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 12:27 AM

cyberswede (26,117 posts)

78. That is clearly the word "BATH" - Sanders supporters are saying Hillary needs a bath!

Evil Sanders supporters!

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #1)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 01:58 AM

Mojorabbit (16,020 posts)

83. I like this one because I originally had the same reaction as the child. nt

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #1)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:58 AM

SouthernProgressive (1,810 posts)

92. Why would we want someone tied around our ankel pulling us backward? nt.

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Response to SouthernProgressive (Reply #92)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 12:32 PM

Motown_Johnny (22,308 posts)

96. Why do you think moving left is backward?

Please read posts numbered 4,5 and 8.

We have already tried this and the Clinton supporter has no rational for this argument.

If you have one, please present it.

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #1)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 04:31 PM

hifiguy (33,688 posts)

111. Or this

Graphic deleted because Scootaloo beat me to it!

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 09:38 PM

cantbeserious (13,039 posts)

2. Observant Grandson - Many Puzzled Over That Logo - I Think He Has It Nailed

eom

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 09:48 PM

NorthCarolina (11,197 posts)

6. I said that on the day they released the logo.

huge arrow in GOP red pointing to the right...at least it's truthful.

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #6)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 09:54 PM

Fawke Em (11,366 posts)

10. My first thought, too.

BTW,

from Tennessee!

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #10)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 09:57 PM

NorthCarolina (11,197 posts)

12. Hey back to you too

from....well, that's obvious I guess.

The South is gonna rise again...but this time with help from a Democratic Socialist, and as an important part of the union.

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #12)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 10:59 PM

redstateblues (10,559 posts)

36. Socialism will not play well in TN

I've lived here for 30 years. TN is a long way from electing a socialist. The closest we've come was a centrist pro business Democrat named Phil Bredesen. He was a good governor but he was The only statewide Democrat elected in many moons. Al Gore lost TN. Blowing sunshine is not going to rebuild the Democratic Party in TN

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #36)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:20 PM

Fawke Em (11,366 posts)

60. I don't know.

Governor Pilot has pissed off a lot of people by trying to privatize the maintenance of our state colleges, parks and other state-run institution. That means people's jobs.

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #36)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:34 PM

mak3cats (1,573 posts)

65. And that's really unfortunate...

...there's a branch of my mom's family that moved down to Tennessee in the 60's. I have a cousin who is in her mid-60's who has great-great-grandkids (my cousin had her first child at 15, I believe, and the pattern continues), and many in her family has had to depend on government assistance at some point. Socialism didn't suck for them. This is a case of people voting against their own best interests.

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Response to mak3cats (Reply #65)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:58 PM

Ed Suspicious (8,879 posts)

71. My commie friend lived in Memphis for quite some time.

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #36)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:58 AM

Go Vols (5,902 posts)

93. "A candidate who trusted the intelligence of voters (in Nashville!) wins a decisive victory."

Little by little it will be done.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027163878

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #36)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 01:32 PM

Admiral Loinpresser (3,859 posts)

101. New Nashville mayor:

http://www.thenation.com/article/nashville-elects-a-mayor-who-is-serious-about-jobs-wages-poverty/

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 09:49 PM

aidbo (2,328 posts)

7. I noticed that the first time I saw it!

Made me wonder what they were thinking. Someone has to have pointed that out when they were coming up with it.

I know we read left to right and that subconsciously an arrow pointing right implies going 'forward', but it just seems pretty tone-deaf.

They could have tried switching colors and have a blue arrow pointing right.

I don't know why it jumps out at me so much, but there it is.

Oh and I'm sure you'll get some folks saying this is a non-issue, but I think it matters because either 1: someone knew exactly what they were doing and did it on purpose or 2: nobody even noticed it or gave it a second thought which would speak poorly toward her team.

I don't know which is worse, but I have an idea which is more likely.

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Response to aidbo (Reply #7)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 10:21 PM

Dragonfli (10,622 posts)

17. If you came to a detour sign with that arrow painted on it

Do you
A) Turn right or
B) Drive forward onto a washed out bridge?

This "a right arrow means moving forward" meme is hogwash

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #17)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 10:27 PM

aidbo (2,328 posts)

19. The machine knows!

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Response to aidbo (Reply #7)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 10:45 PM

zentrum (9,864 posts)

27. That's interesting.

Because I found the logo disturbing from the first moment I saw it and couldn't figure out why.

The closest I could get to it was that it seemed like a fake dynamism.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #27)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 10:56 PM

aidbo (2,328 posts)

34. We may be over-analyzing it.

Heck, some christian fundies would look at that and say that the arrow represents the devil, 'cuz he's got a pointy red tail.

I get a sense that the logo was too contrived.

Also, it's more red than blue. Just sayin'.

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Response to aidbo (Reply #34)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:25 PM

zentrum (9,864 posts)

63. Egg-zactly

Contrived.

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 09:55 PM

artislife (9,497 posts)

11. Nancy Reagan red? nt

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Response to artislife (Reply #11)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 10:01 PM

reddread (6,896 posts)

14. Bill Clinton Blue (sp)

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Response to reddread (Reply #14)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 10:23 PM

Dragonfli (10,622 posts)

18. Painted over a red used car to sell it. /nt

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #18)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 04:36 PM

hifiguy (33,688 posts)

112. Snap!

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 09:59 PM

jimlup (7,942 posts)

13. I noticed it when it was first used...

I was surprised that no one in her organization pointed that out and stopped it. I mean, I'll assume for now that it was simply an oversight but I mean it was kinda obvious...

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Response to jimlup (Reply #13)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 12:08 AM

Tommymac (7,258 posts)

74. +1

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 10:19 PM

MissDeeds (7,499 posts)

16. Your grandson is very perceptive

The logo indicates a clear move to the right, as do her policies. No more DINOs. Not now. Not ever.

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Response to MissDeeds (Reply #16)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 10:44 PM

pnwmom (107,639 posts)

26. Nonsense. Going right means to go forward into the future.

A left arrow goes back in the past.

Look at any timeline.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #26)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 10:59 PM

MissDeeds (7,499 posts)

38. Going right means to go forward

Thanks. That's all I need to know about you.

Bye

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Response to MissDeeds (Reply #38)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:04 PM

pnwmom (107,639 posts)

41. ALL timelines in English go from left to right. All books in English go from left to right.

I guess you don't read.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #41)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:08 PM

MissDeeds (7,499 posts)

46. Nice try

I have a Ph.D. Sorry about you.

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Response to MissDeeds (Reply #46)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:15 PM

pnwmom (107,639 posts)

54. So you say. But something major got left out of your education. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #41)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 12:29 PM

Hollingsworth (88 posts)

95. The English readers have it the right way over all others that read in different directions?

I don't think you mean that and I don't think your argument holds much water either.

Moving to the right is not progress it is regress. We are talking politics here, not futuristic sci fi.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #26)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:15 PM

rhett o rick (55,981 posts)

53. So you think the Right is the goal? I can see how you get that. GoldmanSux is

to the Right and I think some think that is heaven.

We need to reduce the 22% child poverty rate. The god Goldman-Sachs doesn't care, do you?

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #53)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:17 PM

pnwmom (107,639 posts)

57. You know you're twisting what I said. The question is why. Do you think

it helps Bernie to have his supporters deliberately alienate future voters? Assuming you think he'll win?

The future is the direction that we're all heading. All timelines designate the future with arrows moving to the right. Hillary's arrow points toward the future.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #57)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:20 PM

rhett o rick (55,981 posts)

59. Sen Sanders supporters want change to help the 99% and get away from the status

quo that has for the last 40 years seen Goldman-Sachs and Wall Street growing wealthier and the 99% getting poorer. Whose side are you on?

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Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:22 PM

pnwmom (107,639 posts)

61. I'm on the side of the Democrat who goes to the general.

I used to think that with her organization Hillary had a much greater chance of being that person, but Bernie has impressed me.

Unfortunately, many of his supporters make me want to run in the other direction.

As for my vote, I'm going to wait for the debates before I make up my mind. I respect both candidates and Martin O'Malley as well. I doubt that Biden will run.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #61)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 12:08 AM

rhett o rick (55,981 posts)

73. I wish you could understand this. In 2002 when Bush and Mr. Evil were trying to lie us into

a war, I was adamant that we should do whatever we could to not let them kill Iraqis for profits. I knew that the Democrats couldn't actually stop them but I relied on them to at least expose Bush and Mr. Evil for the wicked humans they are. Some Democrats had the guts to stand up for what was right and some betrayed us and hundreds of thousands of humans died because of it. I watched the vote on CSpan and was distraught. Kill innocent Iraqis because Bush and Cheney wanted their oil. How many tens of thousands of Iraqi children were killed? How many killed by land mines, phosphorus shells, and the cluster bombs that children mistook for toys? How many American soldiers were killed or wounded? How much money, how many trillions of dollars went from the middle and lower classes to the war profiteers? Iraqi lives and American troops lives matter. I can not forgive H. Clinton for her betrayal.
And I am astounded as to how others can.

Around the world peoples are standing up to oil companies and other companies that are destroying our environment and looting our wealth. The billionaires may be successful in buying the WH for H. Clinton, but they can not kill our dreams of the freedoms and liberties that our founders fought so hard for us. We will fight the oligarchs for ever just as our founders fought.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #73)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 12:31 AM

pnwmom (107,639 posts)

79. Ted Kennedy didn't blame Hillary, John Kerry, or Joe Biden for that vote and neither do I.

They made the terrible mistake of believing Colin Powell, who had until then been a respected figure for both parties -- he was once even recruited to run for President as a Democrat.

Kennedy knew better because he had access to top secret information as a member of the Armed Services Committee -- but he didn't blame those who voted the wrong way because he couldn't share the truth with them.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #79)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:23 AM

rhett o rick (55,981 posts)

89. You are saying that Colin Powell fooled them. While the Germans and French were

telling the world that the intelligence was bogus, they believed Colin Powell about some pipes. Even if Powell was telling the truth, it would have been a very weak reason to justify killing a hundred thousands innocent Iraqi children. The pipes would have meant Iraq was in the process of building a facility to make WMD. Years away. No hurry. All other evidence at the time was debunked.

They trusted the Bush Admin. That is enough to disqualify them for the presidency of the USofA. Were you aware that the spent Uranium shells we used there left uranium dust and is causing cancer at a high rate. The deaths continue from that mistake. How many of our troops are living in our streets with injuries and mental disorders. All because the Bush Admin wanted the oil in Iraq. How many of those that made the decision got rich off the war?

If the excuse was we got bad intelligence, why wasn't the head of the CIA fired? He got the medal of freedom because his intelligence accomplished what was needed by those wanting war, wanting profits for our MIC at the terrible cost of Iraqi lives that some want to sweep under the carpet.

Because Ted Kennedy didn't blame them in public, doesn't mean anything in politics.

It was a mistake that killed maybe a million people and turned 5 million Iraqis into refugees, and some just turn their heads, look the other way and pretend it is inconsequential. Those responsible for the "mistake" need to be held responsible.

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Sat Sep 12, 2015, 01:20 PM

pnwmom (107,639 posts)

100. And the other half is what you already mentioned. There was nothing they could do

to really stop Bush, because the Rethugs could have passed any resolution they wanted in January. So in October they passed an IWR with U.N. conditions that Bush ignored. In retrospect this was wrong -- at least in the sense that it didn't work to rein Bush in -- but I can see why they thought it was worth attempting.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #61)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 12:25 AM

mak3cats (1,573 posts)

77. Slightly off-topic, but you have just said something very important...

"As for my vote, I'm going to wait for the debates before I make up my mind."

Isn't it a real shame that the debates are being controlled by one individual? And that the opportunity for people to make up their minds are being delayed (maybe beyond reclamation) by that same individual?

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Sun Sep 13, 2015, 04:22 PM

AgingAmerican (12,958 posts)

116. Then you are in the wrong party

Because around here, going right means going backward.

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Fri Sep 11, 2015, 10:28 PM

hootinholler (26,449 posts)

20. It makes a spiffy weather vane

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Fri Sep 11, 2015, 10:38 PM

Rosa Luxemburg (28,627 posts)

23. LOL

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Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:06 PM

MissDeeds (7,499 posts)

42. Exactly

That's true leadership. Not.

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 10:43 PM

pnwmom (107,639 posts)

24. Explain to him that on a time line, going left means going back in time

and going right means going forward in time.

That's probably why you haven't noticed this before. You've seen more timelines and number lines than your grandson.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #24)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 10:47 PM

Rosa Luxemburg (28,627 posts)

29. At least they could made it blue?

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Fri Sep 11, 2015, 10:48 PM

pnwmom (107,639 posts)

30. Bernie has a red white and blue logo as well. That's pretty standard. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #30)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:06 PM

aidbo (2,328 posts)

43. More blue than red in Bernie's logo, and the blue is above the red.

But Hillary's has more red than blue and the blue behind the red.

Still this is all pretty much just speculation.

This is not a reason to vote for or agains any candidate, just fun diversion.

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Response to aidbo (Reply #43)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:18 PM

pnwmom (107,639 posts)

58. This whole thread is insane.

Thanks for noticing.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #58)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:24 PM

aidbo (2,328 posts)

62. How many angels could dance on the head of a pin?

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Sun Sep 13, 2015, 04:12 PM

Rosa Luxemburg (28,627 posts)

115. Yep

fun!

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Fri Sep 11, 2015, 10:43 PM

SoapBox (18,791 posts)

25. I've asked that since the second it came out.

And I find it almost impossible to believe that no one in her campaign thought of that either.

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Fri Sep 11, 2015, 10:53 PM

DisgustipatedinCA (12,530 posts)

32. You find it almost impossible to believe. I find it completely impossible to believe.

The first day they rolled it out, several at DU noticed. There's no way this wasn't done by design. Everything her campaign does or says is very much by design.

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #25)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 10:53 PM

Hydra (14,459 posts)

33. I'm sure they did

"How many people do you think will get it?"

"Not enough!" *laughs*

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 10:49 PM

tomm2thumbs (13,297 posts)

31. Truth in Advertising

Guess she should also have a barcode on it so we can scan and find out how much she is being bought for by the corporate powers and Wall Street money

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Response to tomm2thumbs (Reply #31)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:12 PM

GoneOffShore (16,873 posts)

50. Nailed it.

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 10:58 PM

DesertRat (27,995 posts)

35. I always saw it as pointing forward.

Toward the future.

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Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:02 PM

redstateblues (10,559 posts)

39. I'm surprised no one on DU

Has said that it is the devil's pitchfork since so many here think she's evil

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Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:02 PM

mhatrw (10,786 posts)

40. Maybe it is a missile pointed at Iran? n/t

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Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:11 PM

Eko (5,916 posts)

48. It could just as easily be

right as in "on the right path" as opposed to the wrong one. When you start interpreting symbols with no basis in fact it could be anything. "feel the bern" could be we are all going to burn in a nuclear blast because Sanders is so anti war that he will leave us vulnerable, stupid and silly and not worth a discussion but here we are discussing what possible interpretations they could possibly be. I know, I know, there is all the evidence in the world that Clinton is a closet republican even though she was the 11th most liberal member of the senate while she was in it. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/03/31/1374629/-Hillary-Clinton-Was-the-11th-Most-Liberal-Member-of-the-Senate. Who was 1st? Sanders of course. Props to him, but you dont see me wondering things based off of inane symbology or a catchphrase other than a stupid, silly argument just for the sake of discussion.

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:11 PM

GoneOffShore (16,873 posts)

49. To go forward select D

To go backwards, select R.

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Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:14 PM

jfern (5,204 posts)

52. "I plead guilty" - Hillary

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:16 PM

Eko (5,916 posts)

56. I also want to comment

that my nephew looked at Sanders and said he looked like an insane scientist that would blow up the world, should I post an op on this? Is that op worthy? Of course I am being facetious, maybe ironic, without a doubt humorous. but once again, here we are.

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Original post)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:27 PM

radiclib (1,811 posts)

64. This should settle it

Once a Goldwater girl...

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Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:48 PM

yawnmaster (2,812 posts)

68. but doesn't it point to HER left? if you see me moving right I'm actually moving to my left. eom

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Response to yawnmaster (Reply #68)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:56 PM

riversedge (65,386 posts)

70. Bingo.

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Response to yawnmaster (Reply #68)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 07:42 AM

Motown_Johnny (22,308 posts)

84. So you assume that she will never stand beside us?

That she must always be opposing us, by facing the opposite direction?

That is pretty harsh.

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #84)

Mon Sep 14, 2015, 12:38 AM

yawnmaster (2,812 posts)

120. hmmmmm....so people facing you are always opposing you? interesting. eom

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Response to yawnmaster (Reply #120)

Mon Sep 14, 2015, 06:23 AM

Motown_Johnny (22,308 posts)

121. Physically, yes.

And since anyone arguing that movement to the left must be movement backward, it is the only logical conclusion.

The graphic is clearly referring to the political left. Arguing that moving left politically is moving backward is what conservatives do. I really think there is no place for it on a progressive site.

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Mon Sep 14, 2015, 01:10 PM

yawnmaster (2,812 posts)

125. guess that really limits rational conversation. I think one needs to realize that face to face ...

is not always confrontational. Important decisions are made face to face.
There is no discussion when facing away from one another or just following.

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Response to yawnmaster (Reply #125)

Mon Sep 14, 2015, 07:22 PM

Motown_Johnny (22,308 posts)

129. I didn't say confrontation

I said opposition.

But I agree this is not a rational discussion.

That was kinda my point.

Read the entire sub thread. It should be obvious when the spin begins.

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Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:52 AM

yawnmaster (2,812 posts)

131. It has been obvious. eom

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Response to yawnmaster (Reply #68)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 09:55 AM

demwing (16,916 posts)

88. So, what looks "Left" to Hillary

looks "Right" to everyone else?

Interesting message...

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Sat Sep 12, 2015, 12:09 PM

Go Vols (5,902 posts)

94. and fairly accurate

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 12:24 AM

The River (2,615 posts)

76. All I See

is a blue equal sign rotated 90 degrees. The red arrow looks
like it was borrowed from the symbol used to designate the male gender.

What's the real message here Mrs. Clinton?

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 12:52 AM

Zorra (27,670 posts)

80. heh

Last edited Sun Sep 13, 2015, 04:17 PM - Edit history (1)

My first reaction to it did not go over well.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026500564

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 12:56 AM

NuclearDem (16,184 posts)

81. I thought we were done with Arrowghazi.

Silly me.

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Mon Sep 14, 2015, 01:37 PM

JoePhilly (27,787 posts)

127. Slow day at the outrage factory.

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 01:12 AM

malokvale77 (4,879 posts)

82. Very smart grandson you have there.

Personally, I think it is the "ugliest" campaign logo I have ever seen.

Jeb! is only silly in comparison.

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Response to malokvale77 (Reply #82)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 02:38 PM

Hollingsworth (88 posts)

105. The initial blue with red arrow, yes. I thought it was butt ugly too. But

the variations of it's use are quite pleasing and clever:

?w=1600

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 08:28 AM

YabaDabaNoDinoNo (460 posts)

86. Ones vote and support for a presidential candidate should not be based upon a logo

if it is ones priorities are well just fucked up.

Ones support and vote should be based upon the ISSUES, nothing more.

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Response to YabaDabaNoDinoNo (Reply #86)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 01:09 PM

Rosa Luxemburg (28,627 posts)

98. Well exactly

he's not that old

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #98)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 02:15 PM

MoveIt (399 posts)

102. so you are saying that losing his vote wont affect Hillary's numbers?

*whew*

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 09:41 AM

demwing (16,916 posts)

87. Looks like a street sign pointing to a Hospital

And inspires more worry than hope, imo

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Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:57 AM

SouthernProgressive (1,810 posts)

91. Critical thinking skills.

Ask him if there is another way to interpret it that would make more sense. It would be a good lesson in how we read things we come into contact with when we have preconceived notions. Very teachable moment in critical thinking.

Is this one of the "issues" Sanders supporters keep saying we need to get back to discussing?

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Response to SouthernProgressive (Reply #91)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 01:07 PM

Rosa Luxemburg (28,627 posts)

97. An observation

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 01:17 PM

pinebox (5,761 posts)

99. Well there is always this :)

When I first saw Hillary's logo I snickered and thought to myself "that really says it all", so I went with it and came up with this as my twitter avatar

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Response to pinebox (Reply #99)

Sun Sep 13, 2015, 04:31 PM

Agschmid (28,749 posts)

118. It says a lot about you that you support a candidate...

By mocking another candidates logo.

Class act.

Not red. Not blue. Just being real.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #118)

Mon Sep 14, 2015, 08:52 AM

pinebox (5,761 posts)

123. Actually it says a lot

about me on where I stand. American's shouldn't have to settle for this lesser of 2 evils corporate bullshit any longer.

Class act? More like a case study in reality.

You sound mad though. You should be considering how out of control our system and 99% of our reps are.

*side note. It's funny, you're actually the first person who's gotten upset over my logo. I've gotten hundreds of compliments on it XD

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 02:21 PM

brooklynite (85,586 posts)

104. That's what you want to focus on, is it?

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Sat Sep 12, 2015, 03:10 PM

Rosa Luxemburg (28,627 posts)

107. Just a mere observation

Nobody is focusing on it.

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Sat Sep 12, 2015, 04:01 PM

rhett o rick (55,981 posts)

108. Not me. I want to focus on her standing with the 1% on fracking, the TPP, drone killing,

XL Pipeline, Arctic drilling, fracking, college debt, prison non-reform, and other issues.

It's silly to make fun of her arrow pointing toward the Right Wing. She admits she isn't a progressive. We need a progressive to counter the Right Wing and not "compromise" with them.

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 04:05 PM

DirkGently (12,151 posts)

109. Could be communicating that

... whether intentionally or not.

Americans mostly perceive right as "forward" though as well, probably because we read in that direction.

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Sat Sep 12, 2015, 04:16 PM

Rosa Luxemburg (28,627 posts)

110. Towards red?

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 08:27 PM

libdem4life (13,877 posts)

113. Wait until you hear what I first saw...true...

A red male arrow and angular everywhere. No curves or softness. It's stark.

The Bernie symbols I see here have some flair to them.

JMO...seemed weird to me, but someone brought it up and, well....

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #113)

Sat Sep 12, 2015, 08:39 PM

Rosa Luxemburg (28,627 posts)

114. interesting observation

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Sun Sep 13, 2015, 04:26 PM

treestar (81,152 posts)

117. It means moving forward towards communism

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Sun Sep 13, 2015, 05:51 PM

in_cog_ni_to (41,600 posts)

119. That was the first thing I noticed when I saw it.

First thought, ugh...arrow pointing to the right.

Second thought....figures.

It has to be deliberate, to send a message. If she wanted to court Progressives, the arrow would be pointing LEFT.

Her actions and policies fit her right arrow too.

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Mon Sep 14, 2015, 08:54 AM

pinebox (5,761 posts)