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Tue Sep 8, 2015, 09:51 PM

OK-I'll put it here-Hillary Lied about coming under fire...

"Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton said on Tuesday she made a mistake when she claimed she had come under sniper fire during a trip to Bosnia in 1996 while she was first lady.

In a speech in Washington and in several interviews last week Clinton described how she and her daughter, Chelsea, ran for cover under hostile fire shortly after her plane landed in Tuzla, Bosnia" snip

"In a speech in Washington on March 17 Clinton said of the Bosnia trip: "I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."

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She also told CNN last week: "There was no greeting ceremony and we were basically told to run to our cars. Now that is what happened."

video of the trip, showed Clinton walking from the plane, accompanied by her daughter. They were greeted by a young girl in a small ceremony on the tarmac and there was no sign of tension or any danger.

Source Link:http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/03/26/us-usa-politics-clinton-idUSN2540811420080326

Has dick shit to do with a primary but a ton to do with character...

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Reply OK-I'll put it here-Hillary Lied about coming under fire... (Original post)
catnhatnh Sep 2015 OP
catnhatnh Sep 2015 #1
Agschmid Sep 2015 #3
GummyBearz Sep 2015 #92
GummyBearz Sep 2015 #93
MADem Sep 2015 #2
Motown_Johnny Sep 2015 #21
MADem Sep 2015 #37
Motown_Johnny Sep 2015 #75
MADem Sep 2015 #83
artislife Sep 2015 #85
MADem Sep 2015 #86
artislife Sep 2015 #88
MADem Sep 2015 #89
artislife Sep 2015 #90
JDPriestly Sep 2015 #77
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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 09:52 PM

1. And then Gummy Bearz said


It all adds up, and what it adds up to is more of the same lying from her. Lying politicians from the last 5 decades have caused enough BS, and I am sick of it. Why trust her to do ANYTHING she claims to want to do? Best bet now: Bernie

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Response to catnhatnh (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 09:53 PM

3. Do all politicians lie?

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #3)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 06:05 PM

92. People lie

 

But not all people are decades long pathological liars... at some point you have to draw a line between being human and being pathological in your lying. To me, she has crossed that line (along with Nixon, Kissinger, Cheney, etc... great company on that side of the line)

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Response to catnhatnh (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 06:06 PM

93. I would say it again

 

but you saved me the trouble

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 09:52 PM

2. And she admitted it.

If we're going to play those stupid games, Bernie wrote bad things about women in some horrible fiction and apologized for it.

Should we rehash that, too?

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Response to MADem (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:01 PM

21. That really is not the same thing.

 

She is running for Commander In Chief.






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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #21)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:14 PM

37. And he's running for commander in chief, too....

And he applied for Conscientious Objector status--which means that he's a "pacifist," opposed to all wars.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-applied-conscientious-objector-status-vietnam-campaign/story?id=33434041

Obviously, he's changed his tune on that score, given his associations with Lockheed Martin. He's now 'picky' about his wars.

But still--he is running for Commander in Chief!!!!


See how this foolish tit-for-tat shit works? Eye for an eye and the whole world is blind.

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Response to MADem (Reply #37)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 07:11 AM

75. No

 

He objected to the Vietnam war. In my opinion, if he did not object to that war he would not be a viable candidate for Commander In Chief.

Hillary's Valor Theft is entirely different.

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #75)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 03:54 PM

83. Before you tell me "no," you need to go look up what

conscientious objector status is all about.

It's not about objecting to "a" war. It's about objecting to ALL war. It is absolute pacifism. He asked for the status, but he didn't get it--he produced a child in 1969, which would have put him lower in the rotation.

And given his support of the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia, and his support of the Israeli shelling of Palestinians while they were going after HAMAS, and his funding of continued war in the Middle East, and his support of Lockheed - Martin, it's plain that he has CHANGED HIS MIND on those things.

He's NOT as consistent as people want to paint him.

Apparently, he's the only candidate allowed to do that here on DU...?

And "valor theft?" Pfffffft. If you are shot at, and they miss, that's called "luck." There's no "valor" in being shot at--even if she was totally wrong about that (and she was, and she admitted it). You probably need to look that word up, too--it's one of those words, like "hero," that the younger generations tend to misuse with abandon.

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Response to MADem (Reply #83)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 08:02 PM

85. Watch how easily she lied. Watch her face and listen to her voice

 

How can you misremember? How can you think no one will be none the wiser. Your candidate is ____________.

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Response to artislife (Reply #85)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 09:30 PM

86. Oh MY--watch how easily Bernie Sanders lied for years on his campaign literature and biography

where he tried to pass off his illegitimate son as being the product of his first marriage.


He also said hating your mother could cause cancer--since you want to talk about idiotic, untrue comments.

But gee "How can you misremember? How can you think no one will be none the wiser..." HMMM????

You wanna go there? We can. We most ASSUREDLY can.

It's pretty flipping pointless, though--as I said.

If someone corrects the record, and does so unequivocally, I say let it be.

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Response to MADem (Reply #86)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 12:50 AM

88. Oops...this is

 

Lying at a debate after being prepped for months and knowing there were journalists at said event vs to trying to raise a child as your own, even though some consider it better to label a bastard..., since it would cause a CHILD to be fodder is not equivalent.


But tell yourself it is the same. I cannot begin to fathom your reasoning skills.

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Response to artislife (Reply #88)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 01:13 AM

89. Whatever you said there, it's word salad. "I cannot begin to fathom your reasoning skills."

Right back atcha.

He lied in his official biography. He didn't HAVE to. He could have just said "He has one son, Levi, and however many stepkids."

Or the even more vague "He and his wife have X kids."

No need to lie--but he did. He finally acknowledged it.

It IS the same--a lie is a lie. You don't get to pick which lies matter, and which ones don't.

As I've said, if people correct the record, move on. No need to carp and nitpick and play 'gotcha'--but if you do, I can come up with an equivalent example.

Instead of touting one's own candidate, some people start bullshit threads trying to stir the pot by saying something bad about the opposition. That's a pretty lame tactic.

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Response to MADem (Reply #89)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 01:19 AM

90. Always a pleasure read your posts.

 

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Response to MADem (Reply #37)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 07:28 AM

77. Bernie wrote a piece on women's liberation from the point of view of a frustrated young

man. That was long, long ago before he was elected to office. He was very young.

He was a conscientious objector in his youth. He has grown older, seen more and over the past 50 years, changed his mind on that issue. He still views war as a last resort.

Hillary lied about an easily verifiable fact -- the conditions she lived through in a specific situation.

Hillary misrepresented facts. Bernie expressed frustration about women's lib, maybe because of a soured relationship (I'm guessing) and moderated his view on war.

Those are two very different things.

The facts that Hillary misrepresented are not of great importance, but they indicate that she wanted to elaborate on the truth in order to get credit she did not deserve. That is very human, but not particularly admirable.

So far, Bernie is not known to have changed his mind as often or to have misrepresented (lied) even about a relatively unimportant event.

Just sayin'. Bernie wins this one if we want to count points.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #77)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 03:31 PM

81. Pro tip--he doesn't defend that pile of dreck. He has called it "stupid" and "awful"

and he has iterated and RE-iterated that it does NOT REFLECT HIS PRESENT VIEWS with regard to women and he has very forthrightly disavowed it.

And he wasn't a child--he was running for public office around that time frame. He'd divorced his college wife. He'd fathered a child with another woman (and the fundies would make a big point of noting that it was Outside The Sanctity Of Holy Matrimony Praise Jesus). He'd already said he was a pacifist and unsuccessfully petitioned the government for CO status. He was active in radical VT politics.

"Very young?" He was old enough to do all that. He was no 'baby.'

Hillary was working for the House of Representatives on the Nixon impeachment around the time he wrote that thing--and she's YOUNGER than him.

Good grief, the infantalizing is absurd! And it shows your bias--really, it does. You will excuse him anything, and her, nothing.

The best response is "He said it was stupid and he disavows it." No 'explanation' can make that pile of garbage right--despite the best efforts of people who thought they were helping him by writing tortured articles on "What he REEEEEEALLY meant." He didn't ask for their help and his "explanation" (it was stupid, I disavow it) is the appropriate one.

Of course they are different things--Bernie wasn't ever IN a war zone (despite his hawkish attitudes towards the conflicts in the region at that time). Hillary never wrote a horrible, stupid, essay about how some morons view sex roles and condone violence as a secret wish.

But see how you try to parse, to find difference, to "defend" when there's no need? Hummmmph--Hillary MISREPRESENTED FACTS, you insist. Are you saying Bernie DIDN'T misrepresent facts? That women DO like to be violated violently by strangers? EWWWWW. See how that shit works?

I would advise that when you're stuck in a hole, stop digging. Bernie and Hill know to do that--he did by saying his essay was trash. Hillary admitted her mistake.

Your insistence that "factual" Bernie's A-OK...but oh, that lyin' HILLARY....! is utter nonsense. And based on those writings, I'd be a bit concerned about not just OPPO research, but old fashioned REPORTING (which is what found that piece in the first place).

Everyone's back home now, vacations over, kids in school--people are going to start paying attention. Faux will eventually turn their attention from the Klown Kar, once those buffoons run out of money and start dropping like flies.

HRC has been vetted, Sanders has not. Since you're so invested in nitpicking, do understand that this kind of thing isn't a one way street. Stand by. The 4th Estate (or Faux--who must be differentiated since they aren't really "news" might not be his friend.

It's all pointless and it is stupid. But volleys will be returned, because that's the nature of the game. You'd think the smart move would be to not attack over resolved horse shit in the first place...I guess that's too much to ask.

Rather than snarky, re-hashing "I'll put it here" threads, why not a thread boosting a candidate?

Tear downs are so easy--build-ups, not so much, I guess.

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Response to MADem (Reply #81)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 07:28 PM

84. I read BErnie's story. It expresses the frustration of a guy jilted by a woman wanting to be

free. It is immature, but so are many people in their 30s.

I'm a woman who lived at that time. I'm just a year younger than Bernie. I understand the article in the spirit of the time. It was a rebellious time. The Bush boys were taking drugs in their youth, maybe even selling them. We shall see.

As for Bernie's being a conscientious objector in his youth. What is wrong with that. My father was a pacifist so that seems great to me.

And if you look at our history, since Bush I, George Herbert Walker Bush, we have not elected to the presidency anyone who served in our military. George W. Bush was the closest, He served in the national guard, if I remember correctly.

Hillary certainly did not serve in the military. She could have chosen to do so.

Hillary lied about what happened to her. That's all there is to it.

Hillary keeps having to apologize about recent opinions and actions on her part, recent mistakes.

Bernie laughs at things he did years ago.

Bernie has asked that we focus on the differences between the candidates on issues. And that is where Bernie wins hands down.

People like Bernie's policies and ideas on the issues better than Hillary's.

I'm sorry for Hillary fans, but that is the way it is.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #84)

Thu Sep 10, 2015, 05:52 PM

91. What's worse? To lie (or misremember) an event, or lie (or misremember) who the mother of

your KID is? Typical situational horse hockey! It's the crime of the century when SHE does it, but when he does it, it's tune up the Excuse Making Orchestra!

And I don't recall him "laughing" when he was confronted with that sex essay. He took it quite seriously and said it was stupid, bad, awful and didn't reflect his present views. Odd that you would characterize him as laughing about the topics raised in that hot mess.

The infantalizing of an adult male needs to cease. "I'm sorry" for anyone who feels that they have to do that to support their chosen candidate.

And if you seriously think that comparing Sanders to the Bush brothers makes this situation "better" I still have one of those bridges for sale.

For you to go so far as to INSIST Hillary could have served in the military is laughable, too. At the time, women servicemembers who wanted to marry were not paid at the "with dependents" rate--their husbands were expected to provide them with housing--it was a blatantly "unequal pay" situation to encourage married women to leave service. Pregnant women, too, were discharged against their will because pregnancy was deemed "incompatible" with military service. Do some homework before you make absurd statements like that. If she'd been serving in the military. in the few shitty jobs that were open to women at the time, she wouldn't have been able to go to law school and serve on the House Impeachment committee while Sanders was busily trying to avoid the draft. And more to the point, there was no DRAFT for women--there was one for men.

Once BS had his kid, though, he went from 1-A to 3-C and didn't have to worry about CO applications anymore. That's how Cheney avoided the draft, too.

And GW Bush was an AWOL tool--but you keep insisting that the National Guard is not "the military." See how much traction THAT comment will getcha. The Guard/Reserves are represented on the JCS. Guard/Reservists are buried in Arlington National Cemetery. You'd do well to retract that remark, quick.

The fact that a guy who wants to be CinC tried to get out of the draft IS an issue--and it WILL come up again. The DU brooms sweeping everything under the rug might work here, but they won't work out in that Big Old Real World.

Stand By.

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Response to MADem (Reply #91)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 02:21 AM

94. Bernie voted against the draft, that is for ending the draft.

Saw that on the list you gave me the link to.

The Viet Nam War was a waste of lives and our resources. Sorry. But that is just the truth.

We accomplished nothing or next to nothing and so many young men died.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #94)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 02:37 AM

95. No need to be "sorry." That said, the "pacifist" affectation, the request for CO status, all that

"IS" going to be a problem for him.

Losing the 1A status by way of parenthood also looks a bit like "Papa's little dividend."

People will ask--it's naive to think otherwise. It will be interesting to see how he handles these questions.

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Response to MADem (Reply #95)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 03:32 AM

98. I don't think that Democrats care at all about that at this point.

We have a volunteer army, and Democrats don't like war, not the Viet Nam War, not the Iraq Wars. We like veterans, but not wars.

Which of the Republican candidates is a veteran?

If Joe Biden enters the race, he could draw some votes from veterans. But those votes will probably come from Hillary's account.

Bernie has stood up for veterans, and veterans know it.

This is a non-issue. If it were going to be an issue, it already would be.

Bernie is liked because of his proposals on the economy and especially his opposition to our trade policy.

That he is not a veteran is irrelevant to the voters who are turning to Bernie because he represents them.

This is a new economy and it is bitter. So many people have lost jobs. I don't think that those who have never lost a job know what a blow being fired or losing a job for any reason is to a person. Yet today, employees are just cast away like so many peanut shells. Over and over.

And then the foreclosures. Millions of families were directly or indirectly touched by the foreclosures.

Then the wages that have not risen.

Whether someone has served in the military is just not going to be a top issue this year.

People are very hurt, and Bernie is offering some real solutions. Like taxing the 1%. That is what Americans want to hear about, not about military service.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #4)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 09:54 PM

6. Why are you responding to yourself with hypothetical scenario's?

 

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Response to Post removed (Reply #4)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 09:58 PM

14. Just to let you know, I didn't put the alert on your first thread, and refused to serve on a jury on

This thread.

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 09:54 PM

5. And then DemocratSinceBirth said

4. I was watching Senator Richard Blumenthal (D -CT) on Hardball

He gilded the lily about his military service. I forgave him and I forgive HRC too... I don't judge people by their worst moments.

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Response to catnhatnh (Reply #5)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 09:56 PM

10. Why are you mocking other DU members?

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Response to riversedge (Reply #10)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 09:57 PM

11. They aren't...

They are re-creating their previous locked thread...

Also odd.

First time I've seen it.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #11)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:02 PM

24. Problem is I don't want my post to appear in this thread. I posted it to let him know it belongs in

The primary general discussion, and it seems like a complete breakdown is occurring with the OP

Who is they?

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Response to still_one (Reply #24)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:03 PM

27. It does.

It's a bit odd.

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Response to still_one (Reply #29)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:17 PM

40. Can't be locked, could be hidden if someone alerts on a post.

The OP already has a hide in the thread now so they are locked out.

Might be worth just asking them to delete it.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #11)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:04 PM

28. It is a stupid game --acting like a school yard bully who didn't get her/his way.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #28)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:16 PM

39. I guess this is the way the OP behaves. It is really bullshit. The DU members he is

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referring to cannot even edit what is being attributed to them, because the OP owns it. Something is really wrong here to allow this to stand

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Response to still_one (Reply #39)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:22 PM

44. So sorry for you and others caught up in this

cult-like vile game --on a Dem. board

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Response to riversedge (Reply #44)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:25 PM

47. I cannot even edit, what is being attributed to me. This should really be a violation of TOS. It

is disruptive as hell. Making quotes from specific people on DU, with those DU members, not being able to delete or edit those posts. It is not only a call out of individuals, it nuts.

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Response to still_one (Reply #39)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 11:52 PM

64. "some Bernie supporters"

Actually, it's the way this single individual person behaves.

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Response to cyberswede (Reply #64)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 12:01 AM

65. you are right. I will edit, thanks

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Response to still_one (Reply #65)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 12:25 AM

67. Appreciate that!

thank you.

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Response to cyberswede (Reply #67)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 12:36 AM

68. when your right your right, thanks

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #11)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:17 PM

41. It seems the suggestion to repost in GD:P is being taken a bit too literally.

 

I suppose there really is a first time for everything

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #41)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:18 PM

43. Yup.

Something new everyday.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #43)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:38 PM

57. They have a hidden post now, so I guess that's over.

 

'Twas a great deal of effort and I'm not really sure what the point was. Oh well!

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #11)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:36 PM

53. It's weird, but also hilarious

 

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #53)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:37 PM

54. Indeed.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #53)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:38 PM

56. And then the OP got locked out for quoting one of the previous posts.

 

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 09:56 PM

8. And then I said

Someone else behaved like a lying piece of shit...

therefore Hillary smells like roses?

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 09:56 PM

9. And then I said

Really???

I neither asked nor posited about another candidate. I SAID she lied and backed it up and posted it where I thought it could be best seen.

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Response to catnhatnh (Reply #9)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 09:58 PM

13. If you're having an episode of some sort, perhaps we can help?

 

Are you in need of help?

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 09:58 PM

15. Next doc03 said

This old old news, why is it on DU to start with? Stuff like this is going

to lose us the Whitehouse next year.

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:00 PM

16. That was just a mistake, it's easy confuse sniper fire with being greeted by a little girl.

But it looks like they scrubbed the video, I can't get it to play.



Thanks for the thread, catnhatnh.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #16)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:01 PM

20. Because you have a tech issue...

They "scrubbed" the video?

Jesus, this place sometimes.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #20)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:02 PM

23. The video on the OP's link wouldn't play so I posted one that did. n/t

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #23)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:03 PM

25. So it want scrubbed then...

Just saying.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #25)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:05 PM

30. Well it wouldn't play so perhaps it was scrubbed, my video will play, if you care to view it.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #30)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:16 PM

38. I have viewed it many times, it's pretty common knowledge, and certainly not scrubbed.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #38)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:24 PM

45. I just tried it again, there is nothing but a black screen with a white arrow and

it won't play for me.

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:00 PM

17. After that NotoriousRBG posted

Then maybe she should bow out before her baggage costs our party and our nation.

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:01 PM

18. After that elenhhhha asked

yes, she will

Not just a lie but including her KID, who was then made complicit. Wonder if chelseas ever been asked about this.

Brian Williams got fired for this shit. Should we hold a presidential candidate to a lower or a higher standard?

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:01 PM

19. Ended Brian Williams whole career

 

Hillary? ... meh, not so much. just an honest mistake.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #19)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:30 PM

50. ^^^this^^^

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #19)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 11:15 PM

61. +1

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #19)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 02:59 AM

97. Nailed it.

 

n/t

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:02 PM

22. And then still-one brought a strawman victim

What hell are you bringing her kid into this. Is this what Bernie stands for?

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:03 PM

26. Next bowens43 remarked

Hillary, is nothing but stuff like this. If hillary gets the nomination say hello to president trump

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:05 PM

31. Then PatrickforO completely elided over the offense...

In defense of Clinton, that's a minor embellishment.

I mean, if there's no greeting ceremony and instead they tell you to run to the cars, and it's a war zone, it would be easy to be fearful, even to the point of 'hearing' gunfire...I guess I forgive her totally for that. I mean, no one on ANY of these threads hasn't ever embellished a tale to make themselves look better, but it is awkward when it comes out.

I personally don't have any negative feeling toward Clinton based on this.

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:06 PM

32. I asked was this....

A "minor embellishment"???

Ask any fucking veteran you have ever known.

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:07 PM

33. global1 questioned

Didn't A Similar Incident Suspend Brian Williams From NBC And Banish Him To An Obscure Position On..

MSNBC.

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:08 PM

34. I replied

Why Yes-It Did

There's folks on this board whom have been shot at and several whom have been hit. When a single one of those tells me this is bullshit I will consider not posting it...

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:09 PM

35. Beaverhausen, having nothing on topic to add posted

Benghazi!

Come on. You know you want to.

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:13 PM

36. In before the lock

This is a re-hash of some old crap from 2008.
She's already discussed this ad infinitum

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:18 PM

42. Between this and trying to draw Powell into the classified email scandal, she really must not be


anticipating the military vote. Oh but I forgot, the women soldiers will vote for her because she is a woman. Silly me. I just must be so confused that I don't understand their game plan for getting the military vote...

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Response to Skwmom (Reply #42)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:24 PM

46. yes, silly you. But not for the reasons you writie.

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Response to Skwmom (Reply #42)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:29 PM

49. And military loves "conscientious objectors" who voted for war?

 

Please, we lambasted the rightwing draft dodgers.

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Response to SonderWoman (Reply #49)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:33 PM

52. Bernie voted against the Iraq War. Do you think the military is raring to be sent back


to war because a woman wants to look tough. Plus, ethics count and people in the military really do understand the classified email scandal - they aren't confused.

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Response to Skwmom (Reply #52)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:38 PM

55. And voted FOR the Afghanistan War. And Kosovo. And...

 

To fund Iraq War. Etc etc.

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Response to SonderWoman (Reply #55)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 07:19 AM

76. Voting to go after Bin Laden and intervene in a genocide is not voting for war.

How many times do we have to explain the difference between the Iraq war and Afghanistan/Kosovo?

And you expect us to believe that Bernie's equally culpable because he supported the troops Hillary voted to send to Iraq?

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Response to Skwmom (Reply #52)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 07:58 AM

79. My husband is one of those military guys. Military men know the email crap is bullshit.

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Response to Skwmom (Reply #42)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:44 PM

59. I am military and I'm voting for her. Not sure what you're saying there. Sounds ugly, though.

Perhaps you should look at her defense proposals before you start making sexist insinuations and playing the "silly" and "confused" cards in obviously snarky fashion.

Perhaps, too, once you've studied her proposals, you'll tell us why you think they'd prefer Sanders?

That is, if you can make that case.

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Response to MADem (Reply #59)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 03:37 PM

82. +1

eom

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:26 PM

48. It stays.





On Tue Sep 8, 2015, 07:13 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

OK-I'll put it here-Hillary Lied about coming under fire...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251579060

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This thread was locked now OP starts a new one
mocking the people that posted. Who is this a 6 year old?

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Sep 8, 2015, 07:25 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Assuming the alerter meant the thread that I saw, the thread-lock message said:

"Locking.

As this is focused on a Democratic Presidential primary candidate, this should be posted in GDP. "

The poster is doing exactly what they were told to do, so I can't really fault them.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The other thread was locked because it was in the wrong forum. I see no reason to hide the op, if individual posts in the thread are oot alert on them.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I hide any post that trashes a Democrat.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Hillary has more baggage than LAX.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I agree with the alerter that there are a lot of call outs in this thread by the originator. This thread is pretty much just name calling.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

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Response to still_one (Reply #58)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:45 PM

60. You have no way of knowing who the jurors were

(besides me) much less who they support for the nomination but apparently you haz a mad about it anyway.

"I will remember this. What comes around goes around."

Exactly how old are you? (Rhetorical)

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #60)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 11:47 PM

63. You have a point, I self-deleted.

Regarding the main OP, NOT yours, I did not appreciate comments being attributed to me that I cannot edit or delete. That was directed at the the main OP, not you.

In fact it appears a jury agreed with me on that issue, and locked the comments attributed to me by the OP, so as far as I am concerned problem solved.

Have a good evening

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Response to still_one (Reply #63)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 12:18 AM

66. You're not able to delete LTZ's post that quotes you, just above.

 

And you're not upset about that. Moral of the story: if you say something, be ready to stand by what you've said. In the real world, one cannot just take words back.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #66)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 12:43 AM

69. Am I talking to you? Here is the difference bud. If someone points out a error in my judgement

I acknowledge it, and I took the corrective action that I CONTROL. You don't like that when someone admits an error, and you want to rub their face in it, that's your problem, not mine

Have a good day

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Response to still_one (Reply #69)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 02:12 AM

73. You have a good day too.

 

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #60)

Fri Sep 11, 2015, 02:45 AM

96. Thanks for letting us know what was deleted Le Taz Hot

 

learning a lot here.

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 10:31 PM

51. Gosh.

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Tue Sep 8, 2015, 11:21 PM

62. Did you start this thread...

 

just to call out other members? You may want to put the beer aside for the night.

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 12:52 AM

70. Interesting technique.

I am not sure it's what I would have done, but I commend your effort.

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 01:04 AM

71. ??????????????????????

This is as about as interesting as BENGHAZI or EMAILS. It does not make me less inclined to vote for her.

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 01:27 AM

72. I love the smell of desperation. It smells like.....victory. For Clinton.

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Reply #72)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 06:45 AM

74. Hillary is already victorious, Bernie supporters just don't know it yet.

He does though.

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 07:31 AM

78. I think that endless war and coddling banksters are much more important issues n/t

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 09:06 AM

80. I don't care what a poster says but calling out other posters by name used to be verboten.

I guess calumnies don't count when the wrong people are the target of the calumnies.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #80)

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 09:38 PM

87. A lot of things used to be verboten.

Looks more like the Yahoo comment section these days.

Mob behavior is fascinating, no?

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