Mon Aug 24, 2015, 03:16 PM

sibelian (7,804 posts)

Odd that it's white males pulling the country to the left.

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I'd always thought they were pulling the country to the right.

Who knew?

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Odd that it's white males pulling the country to the left. (Original post)	sibelian	Aug 2015	OP
yup, volvo driving, turtleneck wearing, wine sipping, granola munching, white supremacist	HFRN	Aug 2015	#1
or as I like to call them, "Ar-che Guevunker"	Warren DeMontague	Aug 2015	#7
LMAO!	beam me up scottie	Aug 2015	#11
+1 LOL EOM	Kurska	Aug 2015	#18
TOO damn funny!! NT	pablo_marmol	Aug 2015	#22
DUZY...nt	Jesus Malverde	Aug 2015	#24
Too funny!	Art_from_Ark	Aug 2015	#27
You left out wealthy	AgingAmerican	Aug 2015	#28
Well, there's a reason for that.	Eleanors38	Aug 2015	#44
I was somewhat cold with you during our first encounter on this board.	sibelian	Aug 2015	#57
You just broke my brain.	MannyGoldstein	Aug 2015	#2
Well, there you are.	sibelian	Aug 2015	#54
So who's rallying for Trump?	Cali_Democrat	Aug 2015	#3
Here's some	delrem	Aug 2015	#38
What percentage of Trump supporters are African American?	Cali_Democrat	Aug 2015	#40
Well, I saw them first on the MSM. Some guy on CNN named "Lemon".	delrem	Aug 2015	#41
You might want to check Dem election demographics.	SonderWoman	Aug 2015	#4
They aren't.	Starry Messenger	Aug 2015	#5
Over 90% of Romney voters were white	Cali_Democrat	Aug 2015	#8
I think he was trying to riff off the OP that said that Bernie was gaining in the RWM demographic	Starry Messenger	Aug 2015	#9
The claim comes from Hillary supporters	AgingAmerican	Aug 2015	#30
Bernie is getting 20-30% of the Dem vote....	Cali_Democrat	Aug 2015	#31
So you agree with the OP then	AgingAmerican	Aug 2015	#32
Did you not read what I said?	Cali_Democrat	Aug 2015	#33
So you agree with the OP then.	DisgustipatedinCA	Aug 2015	#51
sanders is reaching out to repugs, independents, libertarians and small group of dems. might as well	seabeyond	Aug 2015	#34
How is he reaching out to repugs?	Vattel	Aug 2015	#35
This should be good...	beam me up scottie	Aug 2015	#36
When he adressed the fire fighters Union and said let's set aside our disagreements on abortion...,	bettyellen	Aug 2015	#45
cool, looking for the common ground	Vattel	Aug 2015	#46
Not on women's reproductive rights though- on economics.	bettyellen	Aug 2015	#48
Hillary said the same thing to abortion opponents:	beam me up scottie	Aug 2015	#47
More importantly, he's reaching out to the alienated 63%	eridani	Aug 2015	#49
Dad was a white male, and he did this thing about "pull my finger".	Warren DeMontague	Aug 2015	#6
they aren't. majority of them vote republican	JI7	Aug 2015	#10
"Sanders supporters are wealthier, whiter, and more male than Hillary supporters."	Fumesucker	Aug 2015	#12
they aren't more left	JI7	Aug 2015	#13
Well, I can't really see what ELSE we're supposed to think...	sibelian	Aug 2015	#55
What I want to know is how someone can get more male.	beam me up scottie	Aug 2015	#14
Gender, orientation and biological-sex are all more spectrum than dichotomy.	Chan790	Aug 2015	#16
Thanks for the information but I was referring to an op about supporters being "whiter and more male	beam me up scottie	Aug 2015	#17
Oh, I know.	Chan790	Aug 2015	#19
You did good.	beam me up scottie	Aug 2015	#20
REAL Men Support Bernie Sanders!	John Poet	Aug 2015	#25
Lol!	beam me up scottie	Aug 2015	#26
Funny, you'd think the wealthier people	BuelahWitch	Aug 2015	#39
Where do you think the term "hanging Chad" came from?	Fumesucker	Aug 2015	#53
Lol, odd indeed.	Puzzledtraveller	Aug 2015	#15
Unpossible. That requires a DiversityAgenda!!	Eleanors38	Aug 2015	#21
Exactly! Everything is black and white! ;-)	pablo_marmol	Aug 2015	#23
self interest. working and middle class. that is the campaign outreach. it is not about pulling	seabeyond	Aug 2015	#29
Conscious white males have the power to do this, and I'm glad they're out there. This country's	ancianita	Aug 2015	#37
Their voices are amplified	Recursion	Aug 2015	#42
What's with all these racist posts on DU?	delrem	Aug 2015	#43
Annoying, isn't it?	sibelian	Aug 2015	#56
Is there some unspoken context that I'm missing here?	Blue_Tires	Aug 2015	#50
People think the racial profile of a candidate's supporters is significant and I don't?	sibelian	Aug 2015	#58
Females are already there. nt	valerief	Aug 2015	#52

Response to sibelian (Original post)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 03:20 PM

HFRN (1,469 posts)

1. yup, volvo driving, turtleneck wearing, wine sipping, granola munching, white supremacist

white males, are driving the country left

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Response to HFRN (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 03:51 PM

Warren DeMontague (80,708 posts)

7. or as I like to call them, "Ar-che Guevunker"

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #7)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 04:55 PM

beam me up scottie (57,349 posts)

11. LMAO!

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #7)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 05:54 PM

Kurska (5,739 posts)

18. +1 LOL EOM

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #7)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 06:34 PM

pablo_marmol (2,375 posts)

22. TOO damn funny!! NT

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #7)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 07:18 PM

Jesus Malverde (10,274 posts)

24. DUZY...nt

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #7)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 09:20 PM

Art_from_Ark (27,247 posts)

27. Too funny!

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Response to HFRN (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 09:23 PM

AgingAmerican (12,958 posts)

28. You left out wealthy

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #28)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 12:28 PM

Eleanors38 (18,318 posts)

44. Well, there's a reason for that.

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Response to HFRN (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 03:13 AM

sibelian (7,804 posts)

57. I was somewhat cold with you during our first encounter on this board.

I now rather regret this.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 03:21 PM

MannyGoldstein (34,589 posts)

2. You just broke my brain.

Congratulations!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #2)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 02:56 AM

sibelian (7,804 posts)

54. Well, there you are.

It IS a bit of a weird idea, I suppose.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 03:22 PM

Cali_Democrat (30,439 posts)

3. So who's rallying for Trump?

Minorities and women?

Trump had people shouting "white power" at his recent rally in Alabama.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #3)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 10:08 PM

delrem (9,688 posts)

38. Here's some

http://webesisters.com/

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Response to delrem (Reply #38)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 10:37 PM

Cali_Democrat (30,439 posts)

40. What percentage of Trump supporters are African American?

Two people making videos on the Internet don't count as a scientific sample.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #40)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 10:50 PM

delrem (9,688 posts)

41. Well, I saw them first on the MSM. Some guy on CNN named "Lemon".

I don't have a TV, so I don't know how I click-baited my way to this excerpt from this show by CNN's "Lemon". MSM is creepy - always creepy - to me, and it all looks pretty much the same. And I'm a pensioner - and have never owned a TV in my life, so I'm an oddball. Probably how I so often get click-baited to shows by MSNBC's "Hardball".

Anyhow, you didn't demand "percentages of populations", you just asked "So who's rallying for Trump?" and I showed you one example.
Hope it didn't offend you.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 03:29 PM

SonderWoman (1,169 posts)

4. You might want to check Dem election demographics.

Then get back to us.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 03:34 PM

Starry Messenger (32,325 posts)

5. They aren't.

http://www.people-press.org/2011/12/28/little-change-in-publics-response-to-capitalism-socialism/?src=prc-headline

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #5)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 04:35 PM

Cali_Democrat (30,439 posts)

8. Over 90% of Romney voters were white

I don't understand how people can make the claim that white people are pulling this country to the left.

If past elections have shown us anything, it's that whites lean more to the right than minorities and they vote for Republicans in greater numbers.

62% of white males voted Romney, yet it's white males who are pulling the country to the left?

The OP makes very little sense IMO.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #8)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 04:41 PM

Starry Messenger (32,325 posts)

9. I think he was trying to riff off the OP that said that Bernie was gaining in the RWM demographic

and somehow construed that as a harbinger of lefty-mcleftism for the whole country. That's one theory, anyway.

If it indicates anything, it probably really means some white guys above median income have finally broken off from the center and right and have drifted into realizing what the rest of us already deal with. I have other thoughts about that, but that's as far as I've gotten on verbalizing it.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #8)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 09:27 PM

AgingAmerican (12,958 posts)

30. The claim comes from Hillary supporters

Who claim Bernie's supporters are all white, male, rich and liberal. Oh, and they eat granola on yogurt in the mornings too.

See what pretzel logic gets ya?

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #30)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 09:43 PM

Cali_Democrat (30,439 posts)

31. Bernie is getting 20-30% of the Dem vote....

And that's only in the Democratic primary. The white males that support his candidacy only make up a small portion of the overall white male vote.

Election results consistently show that white males are the most conservative voting bloc and they vote GOP.

The notion that they, as a whole, are pulling the country to the left is laughable to say the least.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #31)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 09:46 PM

AgingAmerican (12,958 posts)

32. So you agree with the OP then

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #32)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 09:48 PM

Cali_Democrat (30,439 posts)

33. Did you not read what I said?

The notion that they, as a whole, are pulling the country to the left is laughable to say the least.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #33)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 10:27 PM

DisgustipatedinCA (12,530 posts)

51. So you agree with the OP then.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #31)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 09:50 PM

seabeyond (110,159 posts)

34. sanders is reaching out to repugs, independents, libertarians and small group of dems. might as well

say the repugs and libertarian is pulling hte nation left.

it is all about their self interest, where they excel.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #34)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 09:56 PM

Vattel (9,289 posts)

35. How is he reaching out to repugs?

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Response to Vattel (Reply #35)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 09:59 PM

beam me up scottie (57,349 posts)

36. This should be good...

*bmus pulls up a chair and opens a beer*

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Response to Vattel (Reply #35)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 02:46 PM

bettyellen (47,209 posts)

45. When he adressed the fire fighters Union and said let's set aside our disagreements on abortion...,

As well as his plan to go speak at that RW fund or university. He has said time and time again he doesn't "do demographics" and is reaching out to all voters.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #45)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 07:44 PM

Vattel (9,289 posts)

46. cool, looking for the common ground

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Response to Vattel (Reply #46)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 08:12 PM

bettyellen (47,209 posts)

48. Not on women's reproductive rights though- on economics.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #45)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 07:45 PM

beam me up scottie (57,349 posts)

47. Hillary said the same thing to abortion opponents:

Clinton Seeking Shared Ground Over Abortions

ALBANY, Jan. 24 - Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton said on Monday that the opposing sides in the divisive debate over abortion should find "common ground" to prevent unwanted pregnancies and ultimately reduce abortions, which she called a "sad, even tragic choice to many, many women."

In a speech to about 1,000 abortion rights supporters near the New York State Capitol, Mrs. Clinton firmly restated her support for the Supreme Court's ruling in Roe v. Wade, which legalized abortion nationwide in 1973. But then she quickly shifted gears, offering warm words to opponents of legalized abortion and praising the influence of "religious and moral values" on delaying teenage girls from becoming sexually active.

"There is an opportunity for people of good faith to find common ground in this debate -- we should be able to agree that we want every child born in this country to be wanted, cherished and loved," Mrs. Clinton said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/25/nyregion/clinton-seeking-shared-ground-over-abortions.html?_r=0

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #34)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 08:46 PM

eridani (51,903 posts)

49. More importantly, he's reaching out to the alienated 63%

The ones that Clinton doesn't stand a chance with.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 03:36 PM

Warren DeMontague (80,708 posts)

6. Dad was a white male, and he did this thing about "pull my finger".

Damn You, White Males!

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 04:52 PM

JI7 (82,537 posts)

10. they aren't. majority of them vote republican

And they are why republicans control congress

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Response to JI7 (Reply #10)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 05:03 PM

Fumesucker (45,851 posts)

12. "Sanders supporters are wealthier, whiter, and more male than Hillary supporters."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251542288

You see, all evil is the fault of white males.. If they aren't too far to the right then they are too far to the left, why can't they be sensible pragmatic moderate centrists like everyone else?

Enquiring minds want to know..

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #12)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 05:05 PM

JI7 (82,537 posts)

13. they aren't more left

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Response to JI7 (Reply #13)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 02:59 AM

sibelian (7,804 posts)

55. Well, I can't really see what ELSE we're supposed to think...

If there's more white males in the Sanders camp than the Hillary camp, then basically that can only mean they're more left-wing. Sanders is more left wing than Hills!

I have to say that I can't see anything of any particular significance about there being lots of white males in the Bernie Sanders camp, but there you go. Some people seem to think it's a Big Thing.

So. There you go.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #12)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 05:15 PM

beam me up scottie (57,349 posts)

14. What I want to know is how someone can get more male.

I always thought you were either a male or not a male.

I had no idea there were degrees of maleness.

The things I learn on DU.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #14)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 05:30 PM

Chan790 (20,176 posts)

16. Gender, orientation and biological-sex are all more spectrum than dichotomy.

Just as you can be gay, homoflexible, bisexual, pansexual, heteroflexible, heterosexual or as many points along that spectrum between those points as there are stars in the sky...the same is true of gender-identity (a social construct) and even biological sex.

Not everybody is born a boy or a girl...there are also people born as boys that are really girls, girls that were born as boys, infants of no discernible biological sex at birth, people born with sex-traits of both males and females and even people who are identified at birth as one biological sex before developing biological traits of the other at puberty. That's not even getting into chimeric genetics that rarely results in females born with XY chromosomes and vice-versa or people with XXY or XYY chromosomes.

Intersex people exist and are distinct from people who are trans-sex.

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #16)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 05:35 PM

beam me up scottie (57,349 posts)

17. Thanks for the information but I was referring to an op about supporters being "whiter and more male

Trying to make a funny, didn't mean to sound insensitive.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #17)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 06:15 PM

Chan790 (20,176 posts)

19. Oh, I know.

I didn't think you came off as insensitive. I just feel i can never pass up a teaching opportunity on the wonderful diversity that is personal identity.

There are people who really, really don't know this stuff.

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #19)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 06:21 PM

beam me up scottie (57,349 posts)

20. You did good.

My friends and I recently discussed what it was like for folks who were different before the internet.

Now they can find support groups and lots of wonderful people like you who are getting the word out.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #14)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 07:36 PM

John Poet (2,510 posts)

25. REAL Men Support Bernie Sanders!

That should make it more clear.

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Response to John Poet (Reply #25)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 07:38 PM

beam me up scottie (57,349 posts)

26. Lol!

The irony of a white male complaining about the privilege of other white males was lost on the author of that op.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #12)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 10:08 PM

BuelahWitch (9,083 posts)

39. Funny, you'd think the wealthier people

would want to maintain the status quo. Which means Hillary.
I am a Bernie supporter, not wealthy (per the last time I looked at my bank account) and not male (I took a shower this morning. I don't think anything has changed since then). I am white, a proud liberal Democrat. I think those of us who are of a more liberal bent go for more liberal candidates regardless of our race, sex or anything else. I suppose there are those people who vote with their genitalia, but wouldn't it be difficult to mark your ballot that way?

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Response to BuelahWitch (Reply #39)

Wed Aug 26, 2015, 02:47 AM

Fumesucker (45,851 posts)

53. Where do you think the term "hanging Chad" came from?

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 05:20 PM

Puzzledtraveller (5,937 posts)

15. Lol, odd indeed.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 06:22 PM

Eleanors38 (18,318 posts)

21. Unpossible. That requires a DiversityAgenda!!

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #21)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 06:50 PM

pablo_marmol (2,375 posts)

23. Exactly! Everything is black and white! ;-)

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 09:23 PM

seabeyond (110,159 posts)

29. self interest. working and middle class. that is the campaign outreach. it is not about pulling

left but self interest.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 10:03 PM

ancianita (21,085 posts)

37. Conscious white males have the power to do this, and I'm glad they're out there. This country's

"isms" are not easy for a conscious white male since they get tainted by them. Most of them feel pressed to hide in plain sight, but now the political context gives them good reasons to make their stances known, thank heaven.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 01:10 AM

Recursion (56,343 posts)