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sibelian

(7,804 posts)
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 10:40 PM Aug 2015

What's this "endorsement" thing?


We haven't got it in Scotland.

Is it like in being a secret club? Do you get cool stuff after being endorsed? Or does the endorsed person have to give YOU stuff? Or what?

I'm imagining a special, secret chamber of endorsement where the Endorserator, dressed in finest furry robes and a pointy hat, annoints the endorsed with an emormous, golden, fluffy endorsement stick in front of a sinister, wrinkly-faced crowd of steely-eyed endorsers.

Well, that's how we'd probably do it in the UK...
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What's this "endorsement" thing? (Original Post) sibelian Aug 2015 OP
That's hilarious. 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #1
If they are super delegates they are extremely important yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #6
It must be nice to be in the Oligarch's Club 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #9
Actually these are her colleagues yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #11
The DC Insiders Club 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #12
So the system is rigged! John Poet Aug 2015 #26
Same system that president Obama used. That president carter used. yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #28
Actually, there were no superdelegates until 1984. John Poet Aug 2015 #32
Thanks. Learn more and more here everyday. yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #34
Actually, what you decribed isn't very far from the truth. Except the Republicans use frogs & newts. BlueJazz Aug 2015 #2
I,for one,don't know, wendylaroux Aug 2015 #3
Remember how Sean Connery came out for Scottish independence and JK Rowling came out the other way? Attorney in Texas Aug 2015 #4
OK, I just wondered if we were looking at something with more influence than that... sibelian Aug 2015 #19
Yes. The endorsed person has to give YOU stuff. HappyPlace Aug 2015 #5
It's someone with gravitas, popularity and esteem saying Cleita Aug 2015 #7
To date Hillary has endorsements of 118 current Congressional members and 15 former Congressional Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #8
Bernie is the only one AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #29
Wonder why he doesn't work with Congress and how he plans to work with them Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #30
??? AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #31
It is politician A, or important person, or paper nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #10
It's a betting game. People try to "pick a winner." Ron Green Aug 2015 #13
Its deal-cutting for future favors. It is sanctioned bribes. Bonobo Aug 2015 #14
I didn't want to go that far... sibelian Aug 2015 #18
I vote for A, A endorses candidate B, then I'm automagically likely to look more favourably on B. delrem Aug 2015 #27
Secret club? oasis Aug 2015 #15
Ummmm..... you actually do "have it" in Scotland. Nye Bevan Aug 2015 #16
Hmmm? sibelian Aug 2015 #17
"Two-faced Sun newspaper endorses SNP in Scotland while English edition urges voters to back Tories" Nye Bevan Aug 2015 #20
I've encountered it..... BooScout Aug 2015 #22
Ah, the record. No, I never read it. sibelian Aug 2015 #35
ha ha. lol. nt seabeyond Aug 2015 #33
A highly overrated ploy to impress voters. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #21
Here is a video example in which Donald Trump endorses a pizza. Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #23
Endorsements by Congressional members translate to super delegates at the convention. leftofcool Aug 2015 #24
It's more of an aquatic ceremony hootinholler Aug 2015 #25
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
6. If they are super delegates they are extremely important
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 11:07 PM
Aug 2015

Hillary has over 300 votes out of 4100 before the first vote begins. Not bad at all for her.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
9. It must be nice to be in the Oligarch's Club
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 11:38 PM
Aug 2015

Like Trump says, "money now rules".

As it most definately will, if we don't somehow turn it around by electing Bernie.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
11. Actually these are her colleagues
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 12:01 AM
Aug 2015

Fellow senators from federal and state government who worked with her and I guess was impressed.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
12. The DC Insiders Club
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 12:12 AM
Aug 2015

same thing ... "impressed" is one way to see it.

I see it as more of the same 3rdWay BS that't gotten us into this pickle in the first place..

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
28. Same system that president Obama used. That president carter used.
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 10:50 PM
Aug 2015

Nothing different except perhaps your happiness.

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
32. Actually, there were no superdelegates until 1984.
Tue Aug 25, 2015, 07:21 AM
Aug 2015

They helped put that winning Mondale ticket over the top.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
2. Actually, what you decribed isn't very far from the truth. Except the Republicans use frogs & newts.
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 10:46 PM
Aug 2015

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
4. Remember how Sean Connery came out for Scottish independence and JK Rowling came out the other way?
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 10:52 PM
Aug 2015

it's like that.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
19. OK, I just wondered if we were looking at something with more influence than that...
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 03:58 PM
Aug 2015

Given that people seem to be curating lists...

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
7. It's someone with gravitas, popularity and esteem saying
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 11:18 PM
Aug 2015

they approve of you and maybe some of that will rub off on you. Some people consider it important and other like myself don't think it adds anything to a candidate's gloss. for instance if Elizabeth Warren endorses anyone other than Bernie, it won't influence my decision to vote for him one bit.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
8. To date Hillary has endorsements of 118 current Congressional members and 15 former Congressional
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 11:24 PM
Aug 2015

Members. Martin has one endorsement from a Congressional member, Bernie, Webb, and Chaffee does not have any Congressional endorsements. Bernie and Hillary both have worked in Congress but no endorsements for Bernie.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
30. Wonder why he doesn't work with Congress and how he plans to work with them
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 11:25 PM
Aug 2015

In the future, Congress should be about teamwork but guess some don't.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
10. It is politician A, or important person, or paper
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 11:38 PM
Aug 2015

telling people, I like this person and they are qualified for office.

Usually for papers this is a decision of the editorial board. And to be quite honest... they carry some weight, depending on the person, but not as much as people think.

If an artist gets behind the candidacy for candidate A, and they are well known, it carries more weight with regular joes than if a Congressman or Senator does. On the other hand (at the presidential level) that congressional endorsement will carry a lot of weight with party faithful and the machine.

Labor unions, your mileage will vary.

I used to think they were more influential than they really are.

And to make a point about Citizens United and money in politics, we were considering endorsing Big Money. I doubt we will do that.

Ron Green

(9,819 posts)
13. It's a betting game. People try to "pick a winner."
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 12:26 AM
Aug 2015

Just as we have casino capitalism in the States, we've also got kind of a casino politics. Lots of advertising, image development, branding, handicapping and polling. Endorsements are part of this, and nobody wants to endorse one who may not win, especially one who hasn't participated in all the aforementioned bullshit.

Sometimes endorsements can just indicate cowardice.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
14. Its deal-cutting for future favors. It is sanctioned bribes.
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 12:28 AM
Aug 2015

Hillary is the presumed favorite by a LOT.

And THAT is the reason she has endorsement.

It's like the mafia. Rematch the Godfather. You'll get it.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
18. I didn't want to go that far...
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 03:56 PM
Aug 2015

I was kind of assuming that if it was widely recognised as a back-scratching exercise, the last thing supporters would want to do is list endorsements...

delrem

(9,688 posts)
27. I vote for A, A endorses candidate B, then I'm automagically likely to look more favourably on B.
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 10:04 PM
Aug 2015

Also, endorsements of candidate B from elected officials of the Dem party means an automatic "superdelegate" vote for B in the primary election - a fact which, when considering the proportion of superdelegates, heavily weighs the result. So the primary isn't purely democratic, superdelegates having at least the theoretical ability to, en masse, supersede a clear majority of primary voters.

This obviously weighs in favor of big moneyed candidates representing the establishment, the status quo.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
17. Hmmm?
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 03:54 PM
Aug 2015

Hmmmm.

That article's title has caught me out, I must say... That looks to me more like a list of people who were for and against the concept of Scottish independence, I recognise the two sides well, but I don't think I'd have described anyone on either list as being an "endorsement" and certainly didn't see the term used in any official sense in the UK media, nor the bits of social media that I was looking at at the time. "Supporter" or "critic" is what you would be most likely to see, I think.

The reason I'm asking is that people seem to be curating lists of endorsements for Hillary and I didn't really know why or what it meant. I don't recall anyone doing anything similar over here and wondered if endorsement lists were a more recognised phenomenon in the States and/or had any official or semi-official standing in the eyes of the populace as a means of understanding the candidate/issue.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
20. "Two-faced Sun newspaper endorses SNP in Scotland while English edition urges voters to back Tories"
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 04:15 PM
Aug 2015

was a headline in the Scottish Daily Record. So the media there certainly uses the term, even though you have not encountered it.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/two-faced-sun-newspaper-endorses-snp-5606256

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
22. I've encountered it.....
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 04:35 PM
Aug 2015

Both in the Guardian and on the BBC....but then again I'm in Wales and an American so the term is probably more familiar to me and did not go unnoticed.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
24. Endorsements by Congressional members translate to super delegates at the convention.
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 05:01 PM
Aug 2015

Super delegates can influence the way a particular state votes.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
25. It's more of an aquatic ceremony
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 05:18 PM
Aug 2015

From a person it's simply a Hey this guy would make a good president. Influential endorsers might be favored by a future administration because no candidate would ever promise a future position for an endorsement. That would be rather shady now wouldn't it. Almost as shady as keeping a shit list by a candidate.

From an organization, it's we recommend all of our member vote thus. Some endorse a candidate from each party having memberships that cross parties.

From a press organization, it's up to the editor or the owner to endorse anyone.

In this case, Bernie won't be swayed by who endorsed his candidacy so there's no up side to coming out for him. Clinton is known to hold a grudge so endorsing Bernie is all downside if she wins the primary. If you consider that Bernie peeps will show their appreciation at the poll, that could be an upside.

Off Topic, Slainte Cousin.

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