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Sun Aug 23, 2015, 09:40 PM

What's this "endorsement" thing?


We haven't got it in Scotland.

Is it like in being a secret club? Do you get cool stuff after being endorsed? Or does the endorsed person have to give YOU stuff? Or what?

I'm imagining a special, secret chamber of endorsement where the Endorserator, dressed in finest furry robes and a pointy hat, annoints the endorsed with an emormous, golden, fluffy endorsement stick in front of a sinister, wrinkly-faced crowd of steely-eyed endorsers.

Well, that's how we'd probably do it in the UK...

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Reply What's this "endorsement" thing? (Original post)
sibelian Aug 2015 OP
99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #1
yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #6
99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #9
yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #11
99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #12
John Poet Aug 2015 #26
yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #28
John Poet Aug 2015 #32
yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #34
BlueJazz Aug 2015 #2
wendylaroux Aug 2015 #3
Attorney in Texas Aug 2015 #4
sibelian Aug 2015 #19
HappyPlace Aug 2015 #5
Cleita Aug 2015 #7
Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #8
AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #29
Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #30
AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #31
nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #10
Ron Green Aug 2015 #13
Bonobo Aug 2015 #14
sibelian Aug 2015 #18
delrem Aug 2015 #27
oasis Aug 2015 #15
Nye Bevan Aug 2015 #16
sibelian Aug 2015 #17
Nye Bevan Aug 2015 #20
BooScout Aug 2015 #22
sibelian Aug 2015 #35
seabeyond Aug 2015 #33
Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #21
Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #23
leftofcool Aug 2015 #24
hootinholler Aug 2015 #25

Response to sibelian (Original post)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 09:43 PM

1. That's hilarious.

 

Sadly all-too-true, but hilarious none-the-less.


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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 10:07 PM

6. If they are super delegates they are extremely important

 

Hillary has over 300 votes out of 4100 before the first vote begins. Not bad at all for her.

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 10:38 PM

9. It must be nice to be in the Oligarch's Club

 

Like Trump says, "money now rules".

As it most definately will, if we don't somehow turn it around by electing Bernie.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #9)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 11:01 PM

11. Actually these are her colleagues

 

Fellow senators from federal and state government who worked with her and I guess was impressed.

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #11)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 11:12 PM

12. The DC Insiders Club

 

same thing ... "impressed" is one way to see it.

I see it as more of the same 3rdWay BS that't gotten us into this pickle in the first place..

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #6)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 07:46 PM

26. So the system is rigged!

 

Thanks for pointing that out.

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Response to John Poet (Reply #26)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 09:50 PM

28. Same system that president Obama used. That president carter used.

 

Nothing different except perhaps your happiness.

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #28)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 06:21 AM

32. Actually, there were no superdelegates until 1984.

 

They helped put that winning Mondale ticket over the top.

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Response to John Poet (Reply #32)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 08:35 AM

34. Thanks. Learn more and more here everyday.

 

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 09:46 PM

2. Actually, what you decribed isn't very far from the truth. Except the Republicans use frogs & newts.

 

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 09:46 PM

3. I,for one,don't know,

I have never been endorsed.I wish I were,but I'm not.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 09:52 PM

4. Remember how Sean Connery came out for Scottish independence and JK Rowling came out the other way?

it's like that.

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Response to Attorney in Texas (Reply #4)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 02:58 PM

19. OK, I just wondered if we were looking at something with more influence than that...


Given that people seem to be curating lists...

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 09:58 PM

5. Yes. The endorsed person has to give YOU stuff.

 



Spot on!

However, at "fluffy endorsement stick"!

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 10:18 PM

7. It's someone with gravitas, popularity and esteem saying

they approve of you and maybe some of that will rub off on you. Some people consider it important and other like myself don't think it adds anything to a candidate's gloss. for instance if Elizabeth Warren endorses anyone other than Bernie, it won't influence my decision to vote for him one bit.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 10:24 PM

8. To date Hillary has endorsements of 118 current Congressional members and 15 former Congressional

Members. Martin has one endorsement from a Congressional member, Bernie, Webb, and Chaffee does not have any Congressional endorsements. Bernie and Hillary both have worked in Congress but no endorsements for Bernie.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #8)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 09:53 PM

29. Bernie is the only one

 

Not feeding at the trough.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #29)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 10:25 PM

30. Wonder why he doesn't work with Congress and how he plans to work with them

In the future, Congress should be about teamwork but guess some don't.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #30)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 10:40 PM

31. ???

 

nt

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 10:38 PM

10. It is politician A, or important person, or paper

 

telling people, I like this person and they are qualified for office.

Usually for papers this is a decision of the editorial board. And to be quite honest... they carry some weight, depending on the person, but not as much as people think.

If an artist gets behind the candidacy for candidate A, and they are well known, it carries more weight with regular joes than if a Congressman or Senator does. On the other hand (at the presidential level) that congressional endorsement will carry a lot of weight with party faithful and the machine.

Labor unions, your mileage will vary.

I used to think they were more influential than they really are.

And to make a point about Citizens United and money in politics, we were considering endorsing Big Money. I doubt we will do that.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 11:26 PM

13. It's a betting game. People try to "pick a winner."

Just as we have casino capitalism in the States, we've also got kind of a casino politics. Lots of advertising, image development, branding, handicapping and polling. Endorsements are part of this, and nobody wants to endorse one who may not win, especially one who hasn't participated in all the aforementioned bullshit.

Sometimes endorsements can just indicate cowardice.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 11:28 PM

14. Its deal-cutting for future favors. It is sanctioned bribes.

Hillary is the presumed favorite by a LOT.

And THAT is the reason she has endorsement.

It's like the mafia. Rematch the Godfather. You'll get it.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #14)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 02:56 PM

18. I didn't want to go that far...


I was kind of assuming that if it was widely recognised as a back-scratching exercise, the last thing supporters would want to do is list endorsements...

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Response to sibelian (Reply #18)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 09:04 PM

27. I vote for A, A endorses candidate B, then I'm automagically likely to look more favourably on B.


Also, endorsements of candidate B from elected officials of the Dem party means an automatic "superdelegate" vote for B in the primary election - a fact which, when considering the proportion of superdelegates, heavily weighs the result. So the primary isn't purely democratic, superdelegates having at least the theoretical ability to, en masse, supersede a clear majority of primary voters.

This obviously weighs in favor of big moneyed candidates representing the establishment, the status quo.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 12:01 AM

15. Secret club?

No.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #16)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 02:54 PM

17. Hmmm?


Hmmmm.

That article's title has caught me out, I must say... That looks to me more like a list of people who were for and against the concept of Scottish independence, I recognise the two sides well, but I don't think I'd have described anyone on either list as being an "endorsement" and certainly didn't see the term used in any official sense in the UK media, nor the bits of social media that I was looking at at the time. "Supporter" or "critic" is what you would be most likely to see, I think.

The reason I'm asking is that people seem to be curating lists of endorsements for Hillary and I didn't really know why or what it meant. I don't recall anyone doing anything similar over here and wondered if endorsement lists were a more recognised phenomenon in the States and/or had any official or semi-official standing in the eyes of the populace as a means of understanding the candidate/issue.

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Response to sibelian (Reply #17)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 03:15 PM

20. "Two-faced Sun newspaper endorses SNP in Scotland while English edition urges voters to back Tories"

was a headline in the Scottish Daily Record. So the media there certainly uses the term, even though you have not encountered it.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/two-faced-sun-newspaper-endorses-snp-5606256

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #20)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 03:35 PM

22. I've encountered it.....

Both in the Guardian and on the BBC....but then again I'm in Wales and an American so the term is probably more familiar to me and did not go unnoticed.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #20)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 06:21 PM

35. Ah, the record. No, I never read it.


Never heard it used in anger in serious discussions...

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #16)

Tue Aug 25, 2015, 07:44 AM

33. ha ha. lol. nt

 

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 03:26 PM

21. A highly overrated ploy to impress voters.

 

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 03:51 PM

23. Here is a video example in which Donald Trump endorses a pizza.

 

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 04:01 PM

24. Endorsements by Congressional members translate to super delegates at the convention.

Super delegates can influence the way a particular state votes.

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Response to sibelian (Original post)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 04:18 PM

25. It's more of an aquatic ceremony

From a person it's simply a Hey this guy would make a good president. Influential endorsers might be favored by a future administration because no candidate would ever promise a future position for an endorsement. That would be rather shady now wouldn't it. Almost as shady as keeping a shit list by a candidate.

From an organization, it's we recommend all of our member vote thus. Some endorse a candidate from each party having memberships that cross parties.

From a press organization, it's up to the editor or the owner to endorse anyone.

In this case, Bernie won't be swayed by who endorsed his candidacy so there's no up side to coming out for him. Clinton is known to hold a grudge so endorsing Bernie is all downside if she wins the primary. If you consider that Bernie peeps will show their appreciation at the poll, that could be an upside.

Off Topic, Slainte Cousin.

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