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Thu Aug 20, 2015, 01:42 AM

The Nightly Show on Hillary BLM.



I searched and didn't see it posted yet. It's poignant and worth a watch.

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Reply The Nightly Show on Hillary BLM. (Original post)
Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 OP
slipslidingaway Aug 2015 #1
Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #2
slipslidingaway Aug 2015 #3
Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #4
slipslidingaway Aug 2015 #5
slipslidingaway Aug 2015 #6
Ichingcarpenter Aug 2015 #7
LovingA2andMI Aug 2015 #8
Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #9
azurnoir Aug 2015 #10
Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #11
azurnoir Aug 2015 #18
tblue37 Aug 2015 #12
Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #13
tblue37 Aug 2015 #14
tblue37 Aug 2015 #15
Ichingcarpenter Aug 2015 #19
tblue37 Aug 2015 #22
Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #23
djean111 Aug 2015 #25
tblue37 Aug 2015 #26
Gothmog Aug 2015 #16
DonCoquixote Aug 2015 #17
aikoaiko Aug 2015 #20
djean111 Aug 2015 #21
Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #24
TheFarS1de Aug 2015 #27
beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #28
senz Aug 2015 #30
aikoaiko Aug 2015 #29

Response to Juicy_Bellows (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 01:59 AM

1. LOL "crisis averted" n/t

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Response to slipslidingaway (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 02:03 AM

2. Larry Wilmore is growing on me like a tasty fungus. Nt.

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Response to Juicy_Bellows (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 02:11 AM

3. This was a great clip and we watched him almost from inception ...

but in order to reduce monthly expenses we no longer have nightly access, damn medical bills get in the way of living.

Thanks for posting



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Response to slipslidingaway (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 02:12 AM

4. Sorry to hear that.

I hope all is well. Cheers!

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Response to Juicy_Bellows (Reply #4)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 02:44 AM

5. Thanks ...

all is well at the moment, which is why I am a bit more outspoken

But we like Larry Wilmore and the new voice he brings ... keep it 100!

Taking life one day at a time.



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Response to Juicy_Bellows (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 02:49 AM

6. Kick for keeping it 100. n/t

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Response to slipslidingaway (Reply #6)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 03:17 AM

7. funny stuff

thanks.

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Response to Juicy_Bellows (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 03:35 AM

8. Shared on Our Facebook Page....

Kicked and Recommended for telling it like it is EXACTLY how we feel about Hillary Clinton.

EXACTLY!!! Independent Underground News & Talk

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #8)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 03:47 AM

9. The more views of this exchange the better.

The media seems to have somewhat covered it but with omission to the whole video. Wilmore gets right to it. Cheers!

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Response to Juicy_Bellows (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 03:50 AM

10. mmm-hmmm or just hmmm

K&R

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #10)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:03 AM

11. Mmmmhmmm.

Ha! Cheers!

She had 29 of them by my count.

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Response to Juicy_Bellows (Reply #11)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 05:32 AM

18. that's a whole lotta hmmm there

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Response to Juicy_Bellows (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:14 AM

12. Her outsized gestures were awfully aggressive body language for such a close space,

especially since her finger pointing gestures were right up in her interlocutor's face, and they were aggressively relentless, too, as was her tone.

Then, when she threw her hands in the air, I was reminded of the 2007 speech in which she mocked the idea of "The sky . . . open<ing> up" and angelic choirs singing if she were to drop out of the race and throw her support to Obama. The sequence is from 0.45-1.08 in this video:

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

She sounds bombastic and sarcastic--and rather overwrough--in this old video, just as she does when talking to BLM in the OP video, especially since the man she is talking to is so soft spoken and polite.

Another DUer says all Bernie does is lecture, but I see not just lecturing, but hectoring, in the way Hillary speaks to the man in this BLM video.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #12)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:21 AM

13. It starts at 45 seconds in to your link and I get your point.

Come on folks, it's right there. Thanks for posting! Cheers!

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Response to Juicy_Bellows (Reply #13)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:27 AM

14. You're right--but when I first checked it started at 52 seconds. I wonder how that

changed.

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Response to Juicy_Bellows (Reply #13)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:28 AM

15. Oh--and I fixed it on edit. nt

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #12)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 05:43 AM

19. I was taught and certified in Nonviolent Crisis Intervention® Training

And her gestures that close were meant to intimidate and not cool
It was rather revealing body language.

Nonviolent Crisis Intervention® Training

http://www.crisisprevention.com/Specialties/Nonviolent-Crisis-Intervention

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #19)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 12:14 PM

22. A site with interesting analyses of body language by an expert:

bodylanguage success.com

As a severely hearing-impaired person, I rely heavily on body language to understand people. I often watch TV and videos with no sound if I don't have good closed captioning or my hearing aids to help me understand the words. People would see and understand a lot if they would watch w/o sound sometimes. You can see that what people say does not always match what their body language and facial expressions are expressing.

Hillary is an alpha. She is extraordinarily smart and talented. She has been in dominant roles her whole life, and she is accustomed to being deferred to by underlings. She is also used to being admired by crowds of strangers, and everything I have read indicates that she is also dearly loved by those who get close to her. Bill is a natural politician, and people love his public persona, but most of what I have read about him suggests that Hillary is the one who is actually warm and caring--and also that she is much more committed to liberal principles than he is.

But she is not a natural performer like Bill, not a natural politician. She's a brilliant, talented wonk. He is, too, but his wonkishness and interest in complex policy detail has mostly been a vehicle for his egoism, because he seems to be a black hole of emotional need, whereas her interest in such things is her real focus.

I used to be married to a brilliant man who had emotional needs like Bill's, caused by similar childhood sorrows and family circumstances. My ex's intellectual pursuits were a vehicle for career success and social status and acceptance, not something he loved for their own sake. Even though he (brilliantly!) taught language and literature in college, wrote a lot of books and articles, and has always presented as charming, both in class and in social situations, I never saw him read for pleasure. He read what he needed to read for his career specialty, as well as keeping up with current events so he could discuss them in social situations. If a book became the talk of the town, as it were, he would read it (not necessarily all of it, though) so he could join the coversations in social situations, but in his down time, when he was not interacting with friends, acquaintances, colleagues, or students, he watched TV--pretty much all the time. He was always either watching TV or working on books or articles. We had little interpersonal interaction at home. Bill always has reminded me of my ex.

I believe Hillary is the true liberal in the family. Unfortunately, though, I think her desire to be president has often led her to compromise her principles. She has taken votes and actions that she felt compelled to take in order to protect her political opportunities. The Clintons' coziness with big money probably serves several needs. Because of his childhood, Bill needs to be wealthy and to feel important, admired, and well-loved. He also desperately wants to be included by the "in-crowd," and Hillary is a devoted wife and mother, so making sure her family is well provided for and satisfied with life is probably high on her priority list.

But she also, unlike Bernie, feels certain that she needs a ginormous war chest and the backing of as many of the wealthiest, most powerful, and most influential people and groups, institutions, organizations, and corporations as she can get. She is a powerful woman and a strong, dominant personality, but unfortunately those traits tend to be viewed negatively in women, which she is all too well aware of.

I believe that she is driven not just by ambition (though she really does want to make history as the first woman president), but also by her conviction that she needs political power and position to effect liberal policies and programs needed to help those--especially women and children--who are marginalized and oppressed in this country and around the world.

In the film The Seduction of Joe Tynan, Alan Alda plays an idealistic politician who seeks power and position specifically because he wants to help those who need help. Unfortunately, though, he is forced along the way to make so many compromises to achieve politically powerful offices that by the time he has done so, he discovers that he has painted himself into a corner. Ostensibly he now has the power and influence to help those he wants to help, but in reality he can't do anything because those with less altruistic inclinations have sunk too many hooks into him.

(I think that happened to Obama, too, and that he is rushing now to accomplish as many of his original goals as he can since he no longer needs to keep his political options open. But I also think that becoming president so early in his national political career probably protected him from at least some of those compromises.)

At heart Hillary is a policy wonk and an alpha leader. She feels sure she knows what needs to be done, and it frustrates (and annoys) the heck out of her when people who have not put in the time to understand the issues, or who lack her sheer intellectual wattage for understanding such complex material, keep throwing obstacles in the way of getting things done (especially when their motivations are obviously corrupt and malicious, as is so often the case).

Unfortunately, no matter how hard she tries not to show it, her body language and her tone of voice often reveal how frustrated she is when she feels that people either cannot understand or deliberately refuse to acknowledge her good intentions. She truly wants to do good, and she is sure she knows what needs to be done, but everyone just keeps getting in her way and refusing to listen!

The exasperation in her voice and her face when she said, "With all due respect, what does it matter?" at the Benghazi committee hearing is a stark manifestation of what I am referring to. She tries hard to keep those feelings under the mask of shallow affability that we demand of our politicians (who are required to come across like game show hosts!), but that mask does not fit her well at all, so it keeps slipping and revealing how she really feels. I also think that the awkwardness and stiffness of her public persona results directly from having to keep her real feelings so tightly controlled all the time. Everyone who sees her and talks to her one-on-one (even people who are her political opponents) gushes about how charming and warm she is in person, how very different from the way she comes across on the political stage.

I see a certain amount of that frustration and annoyance in Bernie, too, of course, but unlike Hillary, he didn't have such lofty ambitions, so he didn't feel pressed to make as many compromises and missteps along the way, so he has much more freedom to say what he really means and what he really wants to do.

BTW, I don't mean any of this analysis as a slam against Hillary. I admire her and believe in her liberalism and good intentions, though I do think she has, at least to a significant degree, compromised herself into a corner the way Joe Tynan did in the movie.

As for her annoyance and frustration at those who through ignorance or malice keep getting in her way, I can't really fault her for that, either. Sure, it damages her politically, especially since women are expected to always make nice, but I often feel and react the same way when misunderstood or blocked in situations where I am certain that I know what needs to be done.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #22)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 03:23 PM

23. Very interesting, thanks for posting. Nt.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #22)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:24 PM

25. I do not see it as a slam against Hillary, but a sort of explanation that she is so smart, and has

 

such lofty goals, that who are we to question her. Because anyone who questions her does so out of ignorance and malice. Uh-hunh. And, of course, Bernie is not so lofty. I do not care for what I perceive as her goals. The Third Way stuff has totally compromised her, for me. Everything seems calculated. I will not support that.

Oh, my grandson, who is 20 and lives with me, is partially deaf, and does not wear his hearing aids unless he has to at work, because he likes the world better without them. I just now asked him about the picture he showed me (because it was on Reddit) of Bernie standing near one of the women who had grabbed the microphone and would not give it back, at the Social Security gathering. He said he saw disappointment, not humiliation or embarrassment. Grandson says he relies on body language more than words.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #25)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:54 PM

26. I also saw disappointment in that Bernie image rather than humiliation. About my

comments on Hillary--I think she IS unusually smart and well-informed, and many who block her ARE acting out of malice, not sincere disagreement. Some are also acting out of ignorance.

BUT I think she tends to assume in most situations that her opponents' motivations are one or the other, not that maybe they have it right and she got it wrong. That is an unfortunate tendency in anyone who is often better informed than most and who often are proven right in the end. They make the mistake of assuming from the start that they are right and everyone needs to just shut up and listen to them, instead of realizing that maybe in this or that case they are the ones who should shut up and listen instead.

I am a Bernie supporter, too, because Hillary's self-protective compromises have so often appalled me. My point was not to claim that her undoubtedly impressive intelligence means she should always be deferred to or that those who oppose her are always ignorant or malicious, but rather to suggest a possible reason for how ticked off and resentful she sounds when her mask of shallow affability slips, as it inevitably does sometimes.

I also worry that if we nominate her, we will see a lot of these testy exchanges and that they will drive up her unfavorability numbers. Women are not allowed the same freedom as men to express annoyance, even when (as during the Benghazi questioning) annoyance is 100% justified.

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Response to Juicy_Bellows (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:32 AM

16. The Nightly Show has really improved and is getting to be very good

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Response to Juicy_Bellows (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 04:35 AM

17. honestly

I know the Daily show will have a new host (who does not impress me much, you can tell they wanted Samantha Bee), but frankly, as far as I am concerned, LARRY is well on his way to taking the sword Jon used to wield, and since he knows how to make a point without screaming, he might do a better job of it when he is done.

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Response to Juicy_Bellows (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 05:51 AM

20. K & R

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Response to Juicy_Bellows (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 06:58 AM

21. I watched the whole show when it aired, and yes, the finger-pointing was aggressive and the

 

uh-hunh's sounded almost indifferent and I-just-have-to-get-through-this-thing.
And then the next day I watched the attempts to spin this straw into gold. Had to laugh out loud, both when the show aired, and when this arranged meeting was conflated with Bernie being interrupted and screamed at, at the Social Security thing, NOT his rally. Another example of lies being repeated so much they seem like truth.

I understand, as much as I can, now, about why Bernie was chosen, and, in a way, it speaks to me that he does seem like the person most likely to actually DO something. But then again, I am an Old White Lady, living on Social Security (doing okay with fantastic help from someone I consider my best friend ) - and so I also understand that I most certainly do not understand. All I can say with certainty is that I will be voting for Bernie Sanders.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #21)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 03:24 PM

24. You and me both!

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Response to Juicy_Bellows (Original post)

Sun Aug 23, 2015, 09:31 PM

27. But , but ....

Apparently Hillary nailed it and has BLM fully on board unlike that racist Sanders hanging around with people like MLK . What is the truth ? I guess I have 2 ways of knowing:-

1) Ask a Hillary supporter or
2) Ask an AA what they think .

I wonder who would have a clearer view

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Response to Juicy_Bellows (Original post)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 04:06 PM

28. Still lmao at this!


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #28)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 11:58 PM

30. Very clever, indeed.

 

Thanks for linking to it on the other thread!

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Response to Juicy_Bellows (Original post)

Mon Aug 24, 2015, 11:39 PM

29. Here is my nonvideo summary.

QUESTION: The piece that’s most important, and I stand here in your space, and I say this as respectfully as I can, but you don’t tell black people what we need to know. And we won’t tell you all what you need to do.

HILLARY CLINTON: I’m not telling you–I’m just telling you to tell me.

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"Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Those are The Real Housewives of Atlanta numbers that indicate a fight is about to break out."



QUESTION: What I mean to say is– this is and has always been a white problem of violence. It’s not– there’s not much that we can do to stop the violence against us.

HILLARY CLINTON: Well if that—

Q: And it’s a conversation to push back—

HILLARY CLINTON: Okay, Okay, I understand what you’re saying—

Q: Respectfully, respectfully—

HILLARY CLINTON: Well, respectfully, if that is your position then I will talk only to white people about how we are going to deal with the very real problems

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"Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Those are WORLD STAR numbers!!!"


HILLARY CLINTON: Look I don’t believe you change hearts. I believe you change laws, you change allocation of resources, you change the way systems operate. You’re not going to change every heart. You’re not. But at the end of the day, we could do a whole lot to change some hearts and change some systems and create more opportunities for people who deserve to have them, to live up to their own God-given potential, to live safely without fear of violence in their own communities, to have a decent school, to have a decent house, to have a decent future. So we can do it one of many ways. You can keep the movement going, which you have started, and through it you may actually change some hearts. But if that’s all that happens, we’ll be back here in 10 years having the same conversation. We will not have all of the changes that you deserve to see happen in your lifetime because of your willingness to get out there and talk about this.
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"Wow. I've never heard Hillary speak like that. So Authentic"

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