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Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:53 PM

 

Hillary seems a bit condescending in this clip

New video has emerged from inside a tense and uncomfortable closed-door meeting between Hillary Clinton and members of the Black Lives Matter movement.

Is the very candid cellphone video exposing a fracture between the Democratic Presidential candidates and one of their core constituencies?


https://www.facebook.com/ABC7/videos/10153027620897452/

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Reply Hillary seems a bit condescending in this clip (Original post)
Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 OP
Agschmid Aug 2015 #1
Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #2
Agschmid Aug 2015 #12
msongs Aug 2015 #16
Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #33
Agschmid Aug 2015 #34
Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #35
Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #32
Agschmid Aug 2015 #39
Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #48
Agschmid Aug 2015 #49
Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #54
Gman Aug 2015 #6
cali Aug 2015 #11
Gman Aug 2015 #3
Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #5
Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #4
peacebird Aug 2015 #7
tblue37 Aug 2015 #25
Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #8
Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #9
Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #10
tblue37 Aug 2015 #26
TexasBushwhacker Aug 2015 #50
Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #13
SonderWoman Aug 2015 #14
Thor_MN Aug 2015 #15
sadoldgirl Aug 2015 #17
left-of-center2012 Aug 2015 #18
Logical Aug 2015 #19
slipslidingaway Aug 2015 #22
ecstatic Aug 2015 #20
oasis Aug 2015 #21
slipslidingaway Aug 2015 #23
HappyPlace Aug 2015 #24
tblue37 Aug 2015 #27
sorechasm Aug 2015 #30
DonCoquixote Aug 2015 #28
TheKentuckian Aug 2015 #29
azmom Aug 2015 #38
azmom Aug 2015 #37
DonCoquixote Aug 2015 #64
Vinca Aug 2015 #31
azmom Aug 2015 #36
Agschmid Aug 2015 #40
azmom Aug 2015 #41
Agschmid Aug 2015 #43
azmom Aug 2015 #44
Agschmid Aug 2015 #46
azmom Aug 2015 #47
Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #55
Agschmid Aug 2015 #56
MoveIt Aug 2015 #42
azmom Aug 2015 #45
Dream Girl Aug 2015 #53
azmom Aug 2015 #51
Romulox Aug 2015 #52
Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #57
arcane1 Aug 2015 #60
Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #61
treestar Aug 2015 #65
Oilwellian Aug 2015 #58
Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #59
sibelian Aug 2015 #62
treestar Aug 2015 #66
earthside Aug 2015 #63

Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:57 PM

1. You can't change hearts she is correct.

A racist is a racist.

A homophobe is a homophobe.

A mysogynist is a mysogynist.

What we need is a system that makes it clear why those beliefs are wrong, and doesn't empower people who hold them.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 09:59 PM

2. I think you missed the point.

 

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Reply #2)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 10:40 PM

12. I don't believe I did, but you could spell it out for me if you feel I'm not getting it.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #12)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:08 PM

16. the point is to slam hillary nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #16)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 08:33 AM

33. The point is to show the clip - she slams herself without me.

 

And all the people that keep saying "huh?" are the same people that slammed Bernie unmercifully when BLM confronted him at Netroots. They are so "in love" with Hillary, they refuse to see the truth about her. We make fun of the RWNJs all day long for doing the same thing.

I am not trying to convince any Hillary supporters to vote for Bernie. It's a lost cause, as stated above - they are blinded to the truth. I do however like posting things for my fellow Berniacs to enjoy.

I fully expect to be alerted on by a bunch of Hillarites for telling the truth as I see it. I've had 2 posts hidden by 4-3 margins in the last week which only could have happened if there were 4 Hillary supports on the jury. The alert/jury system is being abused by these people and I hope someone does something about it soon.

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Reply #33)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 09:51 AM

34. Or you could just be civil...

But hey it's a lot more fun to complain about the jury system.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #34)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 10:17 AM

35. I believe I am civil. I won't put up with bullshit tho...

 

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #12)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 08:23 AM

32. Don't care.

 

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Reply #32)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 10:44 AM

39. You do, you started a whole OP about it?

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #39)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 11:38 AM

48. I don't care if you understand the clip or not.

 

If you can watch it and not understand what I'm referring to, then you are being dishonest.

Bye.

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Reply #48)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 11:40 AM

49. I'm not being dishonest.

But if that's all you got go for it.

This isn't a game, some of us aren't trying to score points and take pot shots.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #49)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 12:12 PM

54. I don't believe you.

 

That is my last response to you.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 10:08 PM

6. You can make it crystal clear transparent

And it won't make a bit of difference to probably most of the racists. They like it they get off on it. It gives them a feeling that makes them feel superior in a world where their day to day existence is miserable.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 10:33 PM

11. hearts and minds can and do change

 

I'm not saying that can be done directly through politics, but bigots can shed their prejudices

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 10:00 PM

3. Ummm.... No

No fracture.

Nor is the AA community united on all issues.

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Response to Gman (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 10:04 PM

5. If Clinton and BLM agreed on everything, it is called a conspiracy....when they disagree

there is a "fracture" and Clinton is also then the enemy of BLM - whatever "fracture" means....we all get the picture. There is no winning when derangement syndrome hits....just ask Obama about that!

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 10:03 PM

4. You got that right.

Her comment about if that's how you feel I'll only talk with white people should be all over the news. Condescending as all get out.

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Response to Juicy_Bellows (Reply #4)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 10:10 PM

7. Wow. Totally condescending. "If that's how you feel then I'll only talk to white people"

And her expression and body language are basically "eff you"

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Response to peacebird (Reply #7)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 05:39 AM

25. I posted about this on another thread, with a clip from her

"The sky will open up and celestial choirs will sing" speech, in which she also sounds condescendingly sarcastic and gestures in a way similar to the way she does in this clip.

This is crossposted from that thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=532912

Her outsized gestures were awfully aggressive body language for such a close space, especially since her finger pointing gestures were right up in her interlocutor's face, and they were aggressively relentless, too, as was her tone.

Then, when she threw her hands in the air, I was reminded of the 2007 speech in which she mocked the idea of "The sky . . . open<ing> up" and angelic choirs singing if she were to drop out of the race and throw her support to Obama. The sequence is from 0.45-1.08 in this video:

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

She sounds bombastic and sarcastic--and rather overwrough--in this old video, just as she does when talking to BLM in the OP video, especially since the man she is talking to is so soft spoken and polite.

Another DUer says all Bernie does is lecture, but I see not just lecturing, but hectoring, in the way Hillary speaks to the man in this BLM video.

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 10:15 PM

8. OMG, what part of the video did you judge her as being condescending?

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 10:20 PM

9. Click the link. It's queued right up.

Pretty sure the OP meant the clip they linked was condescending. They can correct me if I'm wrong.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 10:28 PM

10. You watched the video and don't know?

 

I don't believe that for a second. Nice try.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #8)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 05:42 AM

26. Start at 4:00 in this video:

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="?feature=player_embedded" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #26)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 11:47 AM

50. That was awesome! n/t

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 10:47 PM

13. Interesting, people must be allergic to following links.

Judging by some replies here it's clear some didn't bother watching. I saw the whole video yesterday but still wanted to see which part you were referring to. My hunch was spot on and I agree, but I followed the link. Cheers!

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 10:52 PM

15. One can even see condescension without even watching the clip.

 

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:18 PM

17. This bit about not changing hearts has

a point, but she could have said that that can be
done when you work with very small children, because
this is where it has to start.

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:54 PM

18. Hillary seems a bit condescending

Hillary being Hillary

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:56 PM

19. Hey, she pulled herself out of poverty after she left the White House so give her a break! Nt

 

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Response to Logical (Reply #19)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 01:03 AM

22. lol n/t

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 12:04 AM

20. I viewed it as a moment of authencity from her

And I respect that. I'm a realist too, so I didn't feel offended.

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 12:59 AM

21. Hillary agreed to meet BLM despite time restraints.

The BLM guy said something like "Don't give us answers that you think we want to hear". She had plenty of patience with them. Hill ain't about to kiss nobody's ass.

In congressional hearings she's the same Hillary, you can't slip something by her and get away with it.

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 01:12 AM

23. "If that's how you feel then I'll only talk to white people" ...

condescending, yes just a bit.





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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 02:08 AM

24. Very poorly handled. First, it's clear she doesn't listen very well.

 

Body language: when she's nodding it means, "hurry and finish, I know what I'm going to say, I can't hear you."

And, her sassy reply that she'll just talk to white people then is, indeed, really insulting and a form of blaming the victim, the questioner.

That's a discussion stopper right there.

And her solution? More laws?

You can't legislate compassion and empathy, you have to cultivate that.

She was kind of a mess on that exchange.

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Response to HappyPlace (Reply #24)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 05:46 AM

27. Yeah. I support Bernie, but I admire Hillary and will support her if she is nominated.

Still, I can't help but wish she had the skill to handle the public performance aspect of the political game better.

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Response to HappyPlace (Reply #24)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 07:35 AM

30. Nice analysis HappyPlace!

If the 'white people' comment goes viral, she's in trouble. She could get out of it by explaining her position with compassion vs. condescension. OTH, if past is prelude, she'll be ducking this video for the next 6 months.

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 05:53 AM

28. The fact is

Hillary is not a sit down and talk type. That does not mean she is a bigot, but it does mean that he has not managed to work on her people skills. Honestly,as much as I hate to say it, she needs to do two things FAST:

One:get Bill to join her, and actually be careful of dog whistles..Obama is gone, no need to appeal to the people that like those. But Billy has the charm Hillary does not.

Two: Name her VP asap, and make sure that person can help with the charm offensive. Cory Booker can help.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #28)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 06:36 AM

29. Skip all of that and retire. Like Dodge she is a very familiar brand I want no part of.

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #29)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 10:35 AM

38. Like Dodge, LOL

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #28)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 10:34 AM

37. You mean have men vouch for her? That

Would not go well with the feminist supporting her.

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Response to azmom (Reply #37)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 06:48 PM

64. well in that case

she needs someone speaking for her. She simply either cannot or will not speak to people in a manner that makes people sympathetic.

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 08:17 AM

31. I saw frustration.

The people she was talking to didn't seem to want to tell her exactly what they wanted. No politician can wave a magic wand and eliminate racism. All she can do is help enact policies to give the black community more power.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #31)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 10:32 AM

36. What they were asking her is to acknowledge that

Her family had enacted racist policies, and they wanted to know if she Indeed was no longer racist, what had changed her heart.

In order not to answer that, she deflected.

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Response to azmom (Reply #36)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 10:48 AM

40. "If she was indeed no longer racist"

WTF.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #40)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 10:50 AM

41. That's what I got out of it.

They did ask her nicely though.

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Response to azmom (Reply #41)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 10:51 AM

43. I've alerted on that post, it won't get hidden but it's way over the top

None of our candidates are racist, or have been in the past. To argue otherwise is rediculous.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #43)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 10:53 AM

44. Well, many in the black community

Are very frustrated by all of the candidates.

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Response to azmom (Reply #44)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 11:06 AM

46. Yes.

But to call them (any of them) a racist is just false.

The racists are the people killing the young black men, yelling slurs as people of color walk down the street, and committing hate crimes.

Those aren't our potential nominees.

Discussing race isn't always easy but not having a perfect answer doesn't make someone a racist.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #46)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 11:10 AM

47. Many are frustrated to a point where

We cannot see any other reason why the state allows the shooting down of unarmed black men.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #43)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 12:14 PM

55. So you're one of those people that alerts on every little thing

 

Figures.

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Reply #55)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 12:15 PM

56. Nope I'm not.

I'm one of the people who alert on baseless accusation of racism on any of our leading candidates.

Oh and I sign my alerts... So...

If I alert it's clear it was me, and I own that.

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Response to azmom (Reply #36)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 10:50 AM

42. It *seems* some very vocal Hillary supporters are unable to process this

 

That being said I do think that everyone should watch the interview with Democracy Now because the activists make their positions pretty clear, that or everyone can just accept the spin without watching the videos, and cover your eyes ears and mouth with Ready for Hillary stickers.

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Response to MoveIt (Reply #42)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 10:54 AM

45. That video is a must see.

It explains it very well.

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Response to azmom (Reply #36)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 12:07 PM

53. Are you no longer racist?

 

And when did you stop beating your wife?

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 11:50 AM

52. Breathtaking: "if that is your position then I will talk only to white people..."

This response might well earn a PPR here on DU.

HILLARY CLINTON: Well, respectfully, if that is your position then I will talk only to white people about how we are going to deal with the very real problems—


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Response to Romulox (Reply #52)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 01:02 PM

57. What's a PPR?

 

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Reply #57)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 01:23 PM

60. Posting Privileges Revoked

 

Or is it Removed?

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #60)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 01:45 PM

61. Thanks. Yes, it is revoked.

 

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Response to Romulox (Reply #52)

Fri Aug 21, 2015, 08:03 AM

65. What's the context?

Are they telling her that being white, she should not be telling them what to do? I have often seen that sentiment, leaving what to do about racism is for us to talk to other white people about it.

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 01:15 PM

58. Can you imagine if Bernie said:

"If that is your position, then I am only going to talk to white people about solutions to your problems?"

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #58)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 01:20 PM

59. I know the HRC people here would be more infuriated than we are.

 

Or at least they'd act like it.

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #58)

Fri Aug 21, 2015, 08:03 AM

66. the context would come in

and Bernie would get defended.

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Response to Elmer S. E. Dump (Original post)

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 03:09 PM

63. Hillary is a 'has been'.

The deeper we get into this nomination process the more I am convinced that Hillary Clinton simply won't make it.

You can't change hearts and apparently you can't teach an old dog new tricks (that is just an expression, okay?) -- Hillary is a terrible campaigner; she is awful when she tries to be sarcastic; and she isn't much good at press conference or in one-on-ones. She hasn't learned how to be a better candidate since 2008 ... if anything she is worse.

Being a 'grandma' is not enough.

I'm starting to seriously think (not just hope anymore) that Mrs. Clinton is going to take a fall somewhere early in the process and fade-away or have to quit.



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