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Mon Aug 17, 2015, 11:49 PM

 

Hillary supporter: I hope she "bows out gracefully"

I’m a Hillary Clinton fan. But I hope she bows out with grace
by Mary Dejevsky * The Guardiqn * August 17, 2015

Hillary Clinton has a fundraising pot that is overflowing. She appears to be cruising to the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination: and then, if the stars align in her favour, on to a well-deserved place in history as the first female president of the United States.

Her supporters have wished it for so long, it seems almost impossible that it might not come to pass. And I would count myself among those supporters, ever since – as a Washington-based correspondent – I watched the lobbyists gang up to defeat her health plan, and observed how she toughed out the sordid revelations about her husband and “that woman, Miss Lewinsky”.

Clinton, as she showed then and has shown since, is not one to walk away. She embodies that all-American quip about the going getting tough and the tough getting going. But I just hope that there are those, somewhere in her entourage, who are even now begging her not to do it, and to bow out while there is still time to do so with grace.

Reality must be looked in the eye. Clinton is a hugely divisive figure, including within her own party – and not primarily because she is a woman. There is the clan question. What does it say about the meritocratic credentials of the United States that two of the most favoured candidates for 2016 are closely related to recent presidents? Neither is to blame but in my book, this alone would be a reason for both Clinton and Jeb Bush to leave the field. It is also a reason why they may not be electable.

Then there is the Bill question. A large section of the Republican party hates the Clinton name with the same venom that many Britons reserve for Margaret Thatcher, blaming Bill, as they see it, for defiling the presidency. This should not affect Hillary Clinton’s support – but it will limit her ability to appeal across parties. Nor do US voters need to be dragged all over again through the intricacies of the (loss-making) Whitewater land deal, the involvement of the Rose Law firm, or the suicide of a close aide, but they probably will. And if these Bill questions are not enough, there is another where she really does have some explaining to do: it concerns her involvement with his post-presidential charitable fundraising at a time when she held public office.

Clinton’s chief liability, though, is the baggage she carries of her own...

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/17/hillary-clinton-white-house-too-much-baggage

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Reply Hillary supporter: I hope she "bows out gracefully" (Original post)
99th_Monkey Aug 2015 OP
Cali_Democrat Aug 2015 #1
ibegurpard Aug 2015 #7
mahina Aug 2015 #87
KMOD Aug 2015 #2
Cleita Aug 2015 #6
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Cleita Aug 2015 #10
NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #13
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Cleita Aug 2015 #22
Agschmid Aug 2015 #113
NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #20
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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Mon Aug 17, 2015, 11:53 PM

1. Yes...Hillary should quit right now while she's up over 30 points

 

Brilliant analysis.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:01 AM

7. 60 points a month sgo...

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 02:03 AM

87. The OP makes no sense at all. And I'm for Bernie.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Mon Aug 17, 2015, 11:55 PM

2. she's not going anywhere.

 

she is the overwhelming favorite among Democrats.

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Response to KMOD (Reply #2)

Mon Aug 17, 2015, 11:59 PM

6. You mean the overwhelming favorite who is lagging behind Bernie Sanders the last

believable poll I saw? Or the overwhelming favorite of the DNC that is flooding my mailbox with pleas for money just this week?

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Response to Cleita (Reply #6)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:04 AM

9. No.

 

Polls continually show that she has support among the vast majority of Democratic voters, and the vast majority of demographics within the party.

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Response to KMOD (Reply #9)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:08 AM

10. I am a registered Democrat and I don't think they are polling correctly.

I never in real life run into Democrats, and I do hang around a lot of them doing activism and attending clubs, who are very enthused about Hillary. Most don't like her at all. Of course, it might just be the conservative area I live in.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #10)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:13 AM

13. Well, that settles it, then.

I don't know why politicians waste their money on pollsters when they can just call you, and ask what the "people you hang out with" think.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #13)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:17 AM

14. LOL

They should call me - I now live in a deeply red state and everyone I talk to can't wait to vote for Hillary. I thought at first they were putting me on but turns out they are sick of the men running the country. Go figure.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #14)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:20 AM

16. That answers it. You live in a red state and they can't wait to vote for Hillary.

You just painted her as Republican Lite which we all knew.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #16)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:23 AM

17. It will be a really fun night when she turns some Red states Blue. nt

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #17)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:24 AM

18. Are you sure she will be the candidate that turns that state blue? eom

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #17)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:25 AM

19. Too true.

 

And it's gonna happen DURHAM D.

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Response to KMOD (Reply #19)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:27 AM

22. No it isn't. You can take that to the bank. Save your money. eom

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Response to Cleita (Reply #16)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 05:22 AM

113. Let me just repost your post...

10. I am a registered Democrat and I don't think they are polling correctly.
I never in real life run into Democrats, and I do hang around a lot of them doing activism and attending clubs, who are very enthused about Hillary. Most don't like her at all. Of course, it might just be the conservative area I live in.


Right back at you...

What a reficulous post.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #14)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:25 AM

20. Well, they'll change their tune ...

... the minute they read this "article" cited by the OP - and realize that those chemtrails really are the devilish work of the Clintons.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #20)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:29 AM

24. Really, throwing out the red herrings now, chemtrails and all?

I thought you were a notch above the usual when you lost an argument.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #24)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:38 AM

30. Uh, yeah.

I just lost the argument? HRC is still way ahead in the polls. Exactly which argument am I - and the rest of her supporters - losing?

And yeah, the chemtrails reference was a "red herring" - a herring that just swam past you when you weren't looking.







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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #30)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:42 AM

33. I guess you don't know what that is.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #33)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:51 AM

41. And I guess you don't know ...

... why that's even funnier than everything else you've posted in this thread.



Maybe someone will point it out to you eventually.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #41)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:54 AM

43. You lost. Admit it.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #43)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:01 AM

46. Are you ok?

 

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Response to KMOD (Reply #46)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:04 AM

50. Oh, the concern. How touching. eom

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Response to Cleita (Reply #43)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:02 AM

47. Uh, lost what?

And you STILL don't get the joke - major loss on your part there.

Sometimes it's just fish-in-a-barrel season, and it now seems to be upon us - red herrings and all!!!

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #47)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:03 AM

49. Oh, now it's a joke.

Well, that's face saving I suppose.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #49)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:08 AM

55. It's been a running joke ...

... for a long time in this thread.

Sorry it's taking you so long to catch on. But I can understand why.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #55)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:12 AM

59. You lost it with the reference to chemtrails and whatever the little insider ha, ha you

and sir grain elevator were having, which is okay. That's what PMs are for. However, when you lose the argument and have to divert it to that kind of reference, you threw a red herring into the conversation because you didn't want to continue it.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #59)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:19 AM

65. I don't know ...

... what argument you think was being debated here, or what you think I lost. Nor do I care.

But this thread has been amusing beyond all imagining. And it's people like you who keep the amusement coming on a regular basis.

So thanks for that !!!

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #65)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:22 AM

67. I will be amusing you all the way to Bernie Sander's inauguration.

Good night.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #67)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:30 AM

71. Yeah, let's meet up here on BS's inauguration day ... n/t

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #71)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:31 AM

72. It's a date. Trust me. It is unless you don't show up of course. eom

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #30)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 03:49 AM

108. Not tomorrow, sweetie.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #20)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:30 AM

27. Absolutely no one I talk to even knows what a chemtrail is.

Reality based folks are so amazing.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #27)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:41 AM

32. Yes, those reality-based folks ...

... you've got to post pretty early in the morning to get a chemtrail past them.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #13)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:25 AM

21. Actually, they should call me and hang out with the people I hang out with.

They might get the truth. Instead of scanning their spread sheets and collecting their fees, they might figure out the people they are polling are about as useful as focus groups. I really don't understand why any company or otherwise wastes money on those. I used to do them for the money and lunch. I told them whatever they wanted to know.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #21)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:29 AM

25. Oh, I hear ya!

No point in wasting money on that new-fangled scientific stuff and all. Better to call on "someone in the know", such as yourself, to find out what's really going on.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #25)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:32 AM

28. You really think that corporate measuring bullshit is scientific?

I doubt if any honest, real scientists would agree.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #28)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 05:26 AM

114. "Corporate Measuring Bullshit"

...

WTF DU.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #25)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:43 AM

35. I recently found my great grandmother's Weather Prophet (hygrometer)

Even though it has a missing part it is more accurate than the author of this OP.


PS - You can take that to the grain elevator.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #35)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:45 AM

36. Are there red herrings there.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #36)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:49 AM

40. No, just red or Russian wheat.

It is money in the bank so why are you laughing?

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #35)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:47 AM

38. Grain elevator going up ... n/t

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #13)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:41 AM

31. ...

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Response to Cleita (Reply #10)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:09 AM

57. So how come if Sanders attract Republicans it is a wonderful thing, but a bad

sign if they do the same for Hillary?

I'd love it if Hillary turns your state blue

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #57)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:15 AM

61. My state is blue. It has been for a long time.

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #57)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:31 PM

139. I suppose one could make the case


that Hilary will attract rich republicans and Bernie is more likely to attract libertarians...?

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Response to Cleita (Reply #10)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 03:52 AM

109. aren't we all registered democrats? nt

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Response to DesertFlower (Reply #109)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 05:27 AM

115. No, as it turns out.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #115)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 07:03 AM

117. the only excuse for that would

be someone is not old enough to vote.

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Response to DesertFlower (Reply #109)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 10:35 AM

127. I'm not.

 

That has more to do with holding appointed office here in CT though...we have partisan quotas for appointed boards of state and municipal commissions. There was an open unaffiliated seat on my town economic development council so I re-registered as unaffiliated, waited 90 days to be eligible to hold office as an unaffiliated and applied.

Usually only the GOP pulls that trick...but I'm all in favor of co-opting successful tactics, regardless whose playbook they're out of. Now progressives control my local EDC.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #10)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:00 AM

120. Post 6, followed up by this one, leave me scratching my head.

 

It's as if they were written by two different people; the second not reading what the first wrote before responding. You could actually start an argument with yourself.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #6)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 02:15 AM

92. What national poll has ever put her behind Bernie? Link, please.

Or are you talking about a poll in New Hampshire, that state next door to Vermont with FOUR electoral votes?

I could certainly find it believable that Bernie would get those votes.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #92)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 03:58 AM

110. I think the source is the virulently right-wing, tabloid Boston Herald

poll of NH voters (who are pretty much white people and there are a ton of independent voters there--it's a good litmus test for GOP candidates but it's not as predictive for Democrats). Of course, the Herald thought Romney was a shoe-in, and Scott Brown would handily defeat Elizabeth Warren.

So much for their prognostication skills. I wouldn't extrapolate much from that. I also think they may have been pushing the MOE envelope to draw that conclusion.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #6)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 10:25 AM

126. It's convenient that the poll you find believable

 

Is the one that says what you want.

If you ask nicely, maybe you can get unskewthepolls.com from the guy who was convinced Romney was winning.

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Response to KMOD (Reply #2)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:38 AM

77. You need to watch this video -- both parts, from RealNews.

The problem with the e-mails is not that they exist, but what they show about the State Department under Hillary, how closely linked to multinational corporations she is.

What good does it do to have a foundation that tries to help people in underdeveloped countries if at the same time you are supporting policies and strategizing to wrest from people in a poor country, control of their natural resources like oil and gas.

See this video from ReakNews -- both parts.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017286974

And the article in the Guardian is saying what I have been saying. Hillary is not going to get any cross-over votes or any new converts to the Democratic Party. Ot should I say very, very few of them.

Fact is, that the Republicans have stirred up propaganda whether true or false makes no difference against her for years now. She will have a tough time overcoming that fact.

The numbers of foreign countries and very wealthy people who have donated to the Clinton foundation also will at some point raise questions about the perception of conflicts of interest. The Clinton Foundation no doubt does wonderful work, but Hillary should have decided whether to raise funds for her Foundation or run for president. She should not be pursuing both at the same time. She may believe that she owes her foundation donors no favors, but do they? And what happens if she doesn't deliver what they expect?

Hillary really should not be running. I agree with that.

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Response to KMOD (Reply #2)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 03:47 AM

107. I don't have to register in my state

In fact, it's best not to at all.

Glad you got rid of the no fracking button. Made you look like a hypocrite.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #107)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:06 PM

135. no fracking button?

 

did you mean to reply to someone else?

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Mon Aug 17, 2015, 11:55 PM

3. She won't and has never done anything gracefully.

 

She wouldn't concede the primary last time she ran even when there were no more contests to be had. It's all about her without a thought or care for the party or the country.

Clinton Refuses to Concede Nomination.

NEW YORK — Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton Tuesday refused to bow out of the Democratic race Tuesday, hoping to maintain leverage as Barack Obama clinched the delegates needed to secure the party's nomination. Clinton told supporters in a rally at Baruch College that she would consult party leaders in coming days on how to move forward, but that, "I will be making no decisions tonight."

"A lot of people are asking, 'What does Hillary want?'" Clinton said. "I want what I have always fought for: I want the nearly 18 million people who voted for me to be respected and heard." Clinton told the crowd she would consult in the coming days with advisers about the fate of her moribund candidacy. But her remarks came hours after she told congressional colleagues she would be open to joining Obama as his running mate.

<<snip>>

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/24953561/ns/politics-decision_08/t/clinton-refuses-concede-nomination


Obama wins Democratic nomination, Hillary ignores reality



Hillary Agonistes: Why Doesn't She Concede?

As the odds get longer and longer, the obvious question is: Why doesn't Hillary Clinton gracefully concede defeat and throw her support behind her party's defacto nominee, Barack Obama? As my colleague at Salon, Walter Shapiro puts it: "What motivates her? Is it ambition, pride, feminism, vindication, public service or ideology? Or is it some combination of all of them?"

The decision, Peter Keating, former senior writer for politics at George who now covers sports business for ESPN, suggests is "how much she wants to hurt Obama. And when she equated 'white Americans' with 'hard-working Americans' in attacking Obama last week, she signaled that she's still willing to campaign destructively. As long as Hillary is playing with her knife collection, she can make Obama bleed."

<<snip>>

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/13/hillary-agonistes-why-doe_n_101618.html

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #3)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:43 AM

34. When is Bernie

Declaring himself a Democrat?

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #34)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:46 AM

37. Bernie is an American first. He has declared himself as a socialist democrat for the past thirty

plus years.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #37)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:56 AM

44. Well, that's a cute answer.

But seriously, when do you think Bernie will actually become a member of the Party he wants to support his political ambitions?

He wants our support, our money, and our votes. Do you think he'll ever think we're worthy of his being one of us?

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #44)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:02 AM

48. He wants America for working Americans. So do I.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #44)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 02:01 AM

85. Hey Nance...

Sorry to break in here.

What the hell does this mean?????

Hillary is divisive because she is a woman? Did I read that right? WTF!

Clinton is a hugely divisive figure, including within her own party – and not primarily because she is a woman.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #85)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 11:50 AM

133. You need new reading glasses.

 

Clinton is a hugely divisive figure, including within her own party – and not primarily because she is a woman.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #44)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 07:11 AM

118. Who wants who's money and support???

here's the official DNC front page:https://www.democrats.org/

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Response to Cleita (Reply #37)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:05 AM

52. Of course he is an American, is someone questioning that?

He can say he is a socialist democrat all he wants, yet he is in fact an Independent and always was.

Wanted to primary President Obama for 2012. Hmmm, outstanding Democrat, oh wait he is not.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #52)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:07 AM

53. Yes, it seems they are. Why does he have to declare his party when the party he

is running under has accepted him as a candidate?

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Response to Cleita (Reply #53)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:15 AM

60. state election laws. eom.

 

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Response to KMOD (Reply #60)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:16 AM

62. His state election laws say otherwise. eom

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Response to Cleita (Reply #62)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:18 AM

63. He's attempting to run nationally. eom.

 

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Response to KMOD (Reply #63)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:21 AM

66. He's been in politics more than three decades, in Washington almost 25 years, I'm sure

he has it figured out. Trust me all the other candidates, both Republican and Democratic, would be on this like wildfire if it was a real issue. Well, maybe the Donald might try some asshole stuff.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #66)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:32 AM

74. I don't think he does. eom

 

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Response to Cleita (Reply #66)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 02:47 AM

98. Good he has it figured out.

He's been in politics more than three decades, in Washington almost 25 years, I'm sure

he has it figured out.


So when is he changing to the party he is running for!

Hint....Democratic Candidate!!!!!!

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #98)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 04:03 AM

111. I suppose you think he needs an invitation.

 

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Response to Cleita (Reply #53)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:25 AM

69. The party maybe...

Voters no.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #69)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:26 AM

70. Everybody still has one vote. That is in the Constitution. eom

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Response to Cleita (Reply #70)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 05:45 AM

116. It's in the constitution?

Are you sure?

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #116)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 11:04 AM

131. I don't believe the Constitution speaks to how parties can conduct their primaries.

The parties control how their candidates are nominated. In fact political parties aren't even mentioned in the Constitution.


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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #131)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:26 PM

138. Correct.

And even when we get to the GE, in our American system one vote on person doesn't really exist.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #34)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 02:05 AM

89. Hillary Clinton is all Grace.. I don't know what that poster is talking about.

The writer of the article couldn't be much of a "Hillary fan".. if she's talking about her "bowing out gracefully"... Now! What a silly thing to say. She has no clue what's going to happen between now and the GE Election.. she obviously has no clue what a fighter Hillary is.. but, oh yeah.. she's "a fan".. LOL

Hillary isn't going anywhere except to the White House on her own volition. And, yes I have no crystal ball either.. but, I know she won't quit.

I swear.. the swill people come up with to make a deadline.



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Response to Cha (Reply #89)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 02:50 AM

99. Late...

Yet

KnR what you said!!!!!!

Hugs Cha

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #99)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 03:10 AM

104. Yes, it's late.. but, I know

the feeling. Night Owls, baby!

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #34)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 02:24 AM

94. When are the Clintons going to declare they don't own the party?

 

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #94)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 02:30 AM

96. When is Bernie going to declare himself a Democrat?

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #96)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 02:56 AM

100. He already did. Did you miss it?

 

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #100)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 03:07 AM

103. Send me the link that he declared.

Send me that link that he has switched parties. Link please, that he is now a registered Democrat.

TIA

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #103)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 03:35 AM

106. He filed papers with the Federal Elections Commission as a Democrat.

 

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #106)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:16 PM

136. He is running on our ticket.

He is not a registered Democrat.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #136)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:23 PM

137. Do you believe he needs permission from the Clintons?

 

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #3)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:59 AM

45. She conceded very gracefully, to President Obama in 2008

 

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Response to KMOD (Reply #45)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:32 AM

73. And I'm sure she will to President Bernie Sanders as well. eom

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Response to Cleita (Reply #73)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:34 AM

75. .

 

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Response to KMOD (Reply #75)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:46 AM

79. .

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Response to KMOD (Reply #75)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 02:31 AM

97. +1

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Response to KMOD (Reply #45)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:41 AM

78. Yes, she did, K.. and that's when I started liking her again. She came together for the good of

Democracy and President Obama kept asking her to be his SOS and she finally relented.. and the rest is history.

I think it's given her invaluable experience for her future job as President.

Thank you!

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Response to Cha (Reply #78)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:54 AM

81. Yup.

 

and BS on the other hand wanted to primary a sitting President from his supposed party.

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Response to KMOD (Reply #81)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 02:00 AM

84. Yeah, BS wanted to primary President Obama in 2012. I won't say what I think of him.. 'cause

BS fans would alert and with "85% Bernie supporters on DU".. there's a very good chance I would get a hide.

So suffice to say.. I **** **** *** **** *****!



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Response to Cha (Reply #84)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 02:05 AM

88. I'm an asterisk decipherer

 

and I have to say, I agree 100% .

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Response to KMOD (Reply #88)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 02:09 AM

91. I knew you could do it! LOL

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Response to Cha (Reply #84)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 09:57 AM

123. Cha, could you provide a link or two to support that claim?

I spend altogether too much time on DU and read a lot of political/news sources, but I've never encountered this before.

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Response to hedda_foil (Reply #123)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 11:55 AM

134. ...

SANDERS: Brian, believe me, I wish I had the answer to your question. Let me just suggest this. I think there are millions of Americans who are deeply disappointed in the president; who believe that, with regard to Social Security and a number of other issues, he said one thing as a candidate and is doing something very much else as a president; who cannot believe how weak he has been, for whatever reason, in negotiating with Republicans and there’s deep disappointment. So my suggestion is, I think one of the reasons the president has been able to move so far to the right is that there is no primary opposition to him and I think it would do this country a good deal of service if people started thinking about candidates out there to begin contrasting what is a progressive agenda as opposed to what Obama is doing. […] So I would say to Ryan [sic] discouragement is not an option. I think it would be a good idea if President Obama faced some primary opposition.

http://thinkprogress.org/special/2011/07/22/277124/bernie-sanders-primary-obama/

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Response to KMOD (Reply #45)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 04:15 AM

112. I give Hillary credit for being gracious in defeat. Unfortunately, too many of her loyal supporters refused to follow her lead...

Let's hope, this time around, when Bernie wins
the nomination, things will be different.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Mon Aug 17, 2015, 11:55 PM

4. Great, a tit for tat. A thread is started quoted someone I never heard of saying that "Bernie

disavows being a Democrat, then why should we as Democrats have him forced on us", of course it is a gross misrepresentation of the facts, so I guess it is only fair to start a thread quoting someone I never heard of saying that "As a Hillary supporter, I hope Hillary bows out with grace"

bullshit meets bullshit

excellent

What we need is more Donald Trump threads while we are at it


This is the DU member formerly known as still_one.

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Response to still_one (Reply #4)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:54 AM

82. +1000

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Response to still_one (Reply #4)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 02:01 AM

86. More quotes from "ann coulter", chuckie todd, rush limbaugh pushing crap, too!

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Mon Aug 17, 2015, 11:58 PM

5. She digs some old bones in the fifth paragraph.

I too hope she bows out with grace but I can't fathom it. She certainly won't anytime soon, she is leading.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:04 AM

8. as much as I want to believe her sincerity

I dont for a second believe this author ever supported Hilllary. She makes some good points though.

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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #8)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:10 AM

11. There is a plethora of "I support (candidate) BUT...." nonsense flying all over these days...[n/t]

 

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #11)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:34 AM

29. Yes it's insultingly stupid

When I see a "I used to support Bernie but" statement and this is just as dumb. People that are paying attention enough to be hanging out here and have made a choice already aren't going to jump ship that easily.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:10 AM

12. I realize that the competition is steep ...

... but this is absolutely, hands-down, without qualification and/or hesitation, one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen posted on this site.

I'm not saying it's the lamest attempt at serious political analysis - but it's definitely in the Top Ten.

"Reality must be looked at in the eye." And the reality is that HRC is still the Dem frontrunner, and that's not about to change.

That now-famous "baggage" she carries is the support of millions of voters - and, Jesus Hussein Christ, I hope she can handle the load, because it's pretty damned heavy.

I don't know who's dumber - the author of this bullshit, or the people who buy it.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #12)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:18 AM

15. What... you aren't 1 of the 4 Recs?

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #12)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:28 AM

23. Oh, that's easy,

 

both.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:30 AM

26. That is what was said about Bill

After the intern episode -- he should "step down" I heard more than once but it didn't seem to affect him at all.

As for Hillary ... *sigh*



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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:48 AM

39. This is a kind of tit-for-tat "I'm a Hillary supporter, but ....."

kind of piece, mirroring the all too many OPs on DU that begin "I'm a Bernie supporter, but ....", which anyone who actually supports Bernie Sanders know are fucking trolls.
A difference is the amazing deference the article gives to Hillary Clinton in the opening paragraphs. Empty fawning.
The article doesn't examine any *issue* that Hillary Clinton actually handled, in government. It just vaguely points at the plethora of sex and money scandals associated with the name. Which, yah, is an issue all right. But e.g. Bernie Sanders supporters don't support Bernie because of Clinton scandals. They support Bernie on the fucking ISSUES.

So I wouldn't even throw Dejevsky a bone for this piece.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:54 AM

42. we know that train left a while ago

especially after Bernie's self inflicted wounds at the hands of BLM. However, that does not mean that Hillary's friends do not need to tell her to stop acting like the person whose words seem chosen to offend the least amount of people and give the least amount of information. I actually blame her apparatchiks more than her, but the fact that they cost her the election in 2008 makes we wonder if Hillary learned anything.

AS far as her History though, this author proves that the British still have problem understanding us. If the GOP tries to play their 90's greatest hits package, they will find that people just do not care. It does not hurt that George Bush left a stink that still foul the air, and that the Koches cannot help but be painted as the arrogant aristocrats they are. If the GOP starts shooting with spent ammo, we have fresh ammo. If trump goes down, then Hillary can use the GOP's own base. Yes they hate her, but they hate the GOP too, especially as their machines also weed out popular candidates in favor of the person who acts centrist and will not trouble any power brokers. Multiply this by two if, despite being a mediocre campaigner, Jeb emerges.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #42)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:04 AM

51. Please list "Bernie's self inflicted wounds at the hands of BLM"

I saw a lot of despicable race-baiting trolling of "white progressive" Bernie supporters on DU, saying that we're racists. But that's hardly proof of anything except the leadership of the Hillary Clinton faction on DU, since all that trolling came from that faction. We were trolled "just because", as eg. from the start just because we want to discuss Bernie Sanders' platform of economic reform.
I mean, WTF is with people like you, who accuse people like that?

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Response to delrem (Reply #51)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:08 AM

54. he should have had a plan

That addressed Black people's situation from the get go. He could have had people like Cornell West help him, but he got idngnanant and said he did not offer the apology to BLM himself.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #54)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:09 AM

56. That's no answer. It's a whine.

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Response to delrem (Reply #56)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:09 AM

58. no answer and a whine

was all Bernie offered until BLm made him whip up a plan in a hurry, a plan that should have been prepped long before.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #58)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:18 AM

64. The Waste Land

I. The Burial of the Dead

April is the cruellest month, breeding
Lilacs out of the dead land, mixing
Memory and desire, stirring
Dull roots with spring rain.
Winter kept us warm, covering
Earth in forgetful snow, feeding
A little life with dried tubers.
Summer surprised us, coming over the Starnbergersee
With a shower of rain; we stopped in the colonnade,
And went on in sunlight, into the Hofgarten,
And drank coffee, and talked for an hour.
Bin gar keine Russin, stamm’ aus Litauen, echt deutsch.
And when we were children, staying at the arch-duke’s,
My cousin’s, he took me out on a sled,
And I was frightened. He said, Marie,
Marie, hold on tight. And down we went.
In the mountains, there you feel free.
I read, much of the night, and go south in the winter.

What are the roots that clutch, what branches grow
Out of this stony rubbish? Son of man,
You cannot say, or guess, for you know only
A heap of broken images, where the sun beats,
And the dead tree gives no shelter, the cricket no relief,
And the dry stone no sound of water. Only
There is shadow under this red rock,
(Come in under the shadow of this red rock),
And I will show you something different from either
Your shadow at morning striding behind you
Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you;
I will show you fear in a handful of dust.

T. S. Eliot

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:23 AM

68. I've always wanted to use this smiley....

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:34 AM

76. Well, you know that the Guardian is a notorious right wing rag.

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:48 AM

80. Suuuure you're a supporter, Mary. Hillary is going to keep on keeping on. nt

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Response to Hekate (Reply #80)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 03:26 AM

105. Now you know what it's like to be at the receiving end of that kind of dissembling.

On my side, it's been the "I'm a Bernie supporter, but..." followed by slander after slander. Esp. suggesting that Bernie Sanders and supporters are somehow racist and --- "eeeeyeugh! I can't associate with flat out white supremacists."
The best are by DUers who fly a Bernie avatar. Oh, they're GOOD! Of the good ones the most excellent are the ones that explain just how despicable Bernie Sanders supporters are.

So for sure I know how low this editorial comment goes.

More interesting yet, that kind of no-brainer sloppy thinking is run by "comment is free" at The Guardian.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:55 AM

83. yes, I really give a fuck what someone who lives 5000 miles away, who's attacked Democrats before,

 

thinks.

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Response to ericson00 (Reply #83)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 02:18 AM

93. Yeah, I have NMFTG, either, ericson.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 02:27 AM

95. She won't. n/t

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 03:03 AM

101. K~

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 03:06 AM

102. that's insane. hillary knew what she

was facing when he decided to run. even though i'm a bernie supporter i want her to stay in the race.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 07:54 AM

119. Checked out some of this author's other work....

She is a crap writer. She is no "fan" of Hillary's. She is a fan of Putin however.
"the suicide of a close aide" - yeah right Mary, keep on with the right-wing-nut-job bullshit.
This is the DU member formerly known as OKNancy.

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Response to OKNancy (Reply #119)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:03 AM

121. Color me shocked.Not. nt

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:03 AM

122. i always look articles that start with

"i am a (name) supporter, but....."

that said, a couple of good points were raised

the country has bush/clinton fatigue

hillary has too much baggage to win a ge

a revolution is happening which she can't appropriately represent because of her corporate ties and support



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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 10:15 AM

124. I just hopes she bows out. Gracefully would be nice.

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 10:23 AM

125. "As the frontrunner by a massive plurality, I feel I have no choice but to step down"

That would be an interesting speech, for sure.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 10:38 AM

128. Yawn ...

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 10:54 AM

129. I can see your point

 

I should vote for a candidate who will not inspire hatred from Republicans, a candidate who carries no baggage the GOP can exploit. So I should vote for.... um... a Republican!

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Response to HassleCat (Reply #129)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 11:06 AM

132. Yes, let's elect a Democratic Socialist "who carries no baggage"

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 10:56 AM

130. She will bow out if her funding dries up and she is way behind in the polls

Until then

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