2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie fans.... need your help...
No snark, no BS, this is surius.
Can someone point me to Bernie's position on increasing legal immigration limits? I can only find his positions on "open borders" and H1B's.
This is not for a hit job.... My wife wants to know and I can't find anything, but perhaps my search-fu is weak.
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HFRN
(1,469 posts)H-1b has been a labor busting baseball bat to tech labor
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I have some minor quibbles with his position, but that's not the focus of this.
My wife, to my chagrin 
, is comsidering supporting Bernie, but immigration is an important issue to her.
magicmama
(50 posts)
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)I just skimmed it but it might have what you're looking for.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Autumn
(45,012 posts)think
(11,641 posts)which would make the legal immigration process work better. It's still deadlocked at this time.
He does not necessarily appear to be for increasing legal immigration but the bill did have increased capped limits on some types of visas for immigrants. Bernie requested $1.5 billion for a jobs program to offset perceived increases in immigrants coming from guest worker programs.
I am not well informed on this but here is a link to an overview of the bill and a link to another story which discusses Sanders view on immigration:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Security,_Economic_Opportunity,_and_Immigration_Modernization_Act_of_2013
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2. Sanders voted for comprehensive immigration reform in 2013.
Sanders was initially reluctant to support the Senate Immigration reform bill, S. 744 over concerns with guest worker programs, however after an amendment that would have provided $1.5 billion over two years to state and local job programs targeting 16- to 24-year-olds was added, Sanders voted for the bill.
Sanders also seemingly understands the need to include a pathway to citizenship in immigration reform. Specifically, Sanders noted how S.744 would have directly impacted the 2,000 Hispanic migrant workers in his state, Vermont:
“The immigration bill includes a pathway to citizenship for 11 million undocumented immigrants; the DREAM Act which offers conditional citizenship to those who were brought to the U.S. as children; and stronger security for our borders. This bill will also provide legal status for agricultural workers – including those working on dairy farms in Vermont.”
3. Sanders remains skeptical of guest-worker programs
In 2007, Sanders voted against a comprehensive immigration reform bill because of his concerns around how guest-worker programs impact native workers. Most recently, Sanders joined other Senators calling on the U.S. Department of Justice, the Department of Homeland Security and the Labor Department to investigate potential abuses in the H1-B program. ...
- See more at: http://immigrationimpact.com/2015/05/01/bernie-sanders-immigration-policy-track-record/#sthash.ydeg3Scx.dpuf
Not sure if this helps...
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I mean, my inner HRC supporter says "read between the lines! He opposes increasing legal immigration limits! BAD Bernie!"
But I don't wanna be unfair. Ah well, at least I wasn't missing something obvious.
SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)At least any actual written policy proposals.
HFRN
(1,469 posts)he's not against a path to citizenship for undocumented, or against *some* guest workers, but he's also been willing to call out corporations for mass replacement of american workers with H-1b indentured servents, many times the American workers being forced to train their own replacements
that corporate America LOVES mass immigration to lower wages
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)My wife (and I, for that matter), both support much increased legal immigration quotas. Not gonna argue that here. I'm just trying to get my wife some unbiased info on Bernie's position on this, since this issue is important to her, and as an HRC supporter, I am biased.
HFRN
(1,469 posts)so if you open an issue, you're going to get opinions, thanks
(and it was relevant to your question, about where Sanders stands on the issue, by the way)
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)"Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders got a lot of media attention this week for a statement that most Americans would find totally non-controversial. Sanders surprised interviewer Ezra Klein of Vox with a forceful rejection of an open-borders immigration policy.
Byron York of the Washington Examiner reports:
“Vox founder Ezra Klein, an advocate of an open-borders immigration policy, asked a question virtually inviting Sanders to agree with Klein about allowing any and all would-be immigrants to come to the United States. Sanders most emphatically did not go along.
Klein's question about "sharply raising the level of immigration we permit, even up to a level of open borders" and Sanders' response comes at about the 5 minute, 50 second mark of the video interview and you can read the full transcript here. Excerpt:
...Bernie Sanders
It would make everybody in America poorer -- you're doing away with the concept of a nation state, and I don't think there's any country in the world that believes in that. If you believe in a nation state or in a country called the United States or UK or Denmark or any other country, you have an obligation in my view to do everything we can to help poor people. What right-wing people in this country would love is an open-border policy. Bring in all kinds of people, work for $2 or $3 an hour, that would be great for them. I don't believe in that. I think we have to raise wages in this country, I think we have to do everything we can to create millions of jobs..."
Bernie Sanders: It's Time For Immigration Reform
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/19/bernie-sanders-immigration_n_7624086.html
"After being criticized for staying quiet about immigration, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) vowed on Friday that if elected president, he would push for immigration reform and go even further than President Barack Obama in expanding deportation relief.
"Despite the central role that undocumented workers play in our economy and in our daily lives, these workers are too often reviled by many for political gain and shunted into the shadows," Sanders, who is running for the Democratic presidential nomination, said in Las Vegas at the National Association of Latino Elected Officials conference.
"Let me be very clear as to where I stand," he continued. "It is time for this disgraceful situation to end."
.....Sanders said another of his priorities is to ensure that workers are not exploited by employers who think their undocumented status will prevent them from speaking out. He recalled a visit to Immokalee, Florida, in 2008, where he said he saw workers in tomato fields "being paid starvation wages, living in severely substandard housing and subjected to abusive labor practices."
"The injustice in the lives of the workers was overwhelming," he said. "In fact, the situation was so bad that on the day I visited, two men were indicted for human slavery. Slavery, in the 21st century, in the United States of America."
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)My wife is for them, but she is willing to compromise on that. There is a long way between what we have now (unrealistically low quotas) and open borders. I can;t seem to find where is falls. What I know:
Favors path to citizenship and reducing deportation
Skeptical of H1B's (have a couple issues with his position, but agree we need to fix abuses).
Opposes open borders.
No mention of his position on increased immigration quotas. Sounds like he hasn't stated a position.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)not sure exactly what you are looking for, he is for increased quotas, but not at the expense of American workers.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)... I joke.... A little. She's pretty far left of me. She favors a near open borders position. I personally am not in favor of going that far. She also knows she isn't going to get that, but she wants someone who at least increasing legal immigration quotas enough to remove much of the attraction of the illegal route.
She and I both think it is perfectly possible to dramatically increase legal immigration with a net positive effect on the economy and wages.