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Sun Aug 9, 2015, 11:33 PM

BLM Needs to Be Marginalized and Go Away If It Is Going to Attack Natural Allies Like Bernie...

Just Because Those Allies Don't Focus EXCLUSIVELY ON THEM.

I have been reading some very disturbing stuff on them and their leadership.

Do I believe there is an epidemic of unnecessary police violence, and that blacks are disproportionately targeted and killed because they are black? Yes. In the vast majority of cases, the officers would have acted different with white people.

But what the hell is Black Lives Matter's end game? Because I sure as hell cannot figure it out.

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Reply BLM Needs to Be Marginalized and Go Away If It Is Going to Attack Natural Allies Like Bernie... (Original post)
EEO Aug 2015 OP
GitRDun Aug 2015 #1
BillZBubb Aug 2015 #4
GitRDun Aug 2015 #11
BillZBubb Aug 2015 #14
GitRDun Aug 2015 #17
irisblue Aug 2015 #18
sibelian Aug 2015 #22
GitRDun Aug 2015 #23
sibelian Aug 2015 #24
Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #32
sibelian Aug 2015 #47
cascadiance Aug 2015 #33
GitRDun Aug 2015 #39
cascadiance Aug 2015 #45
GitRDun Aug 2015 #59
cascadiance Aug 2015 #60
GitRDun Aug 2015 #62
notadmblnd Aug 2015 #6
Supersedeas Aug 2015 #63
TheFarseer Aug 2015 #10
cascadiance Aug 2015 #31
Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #34
cascadiance Aug 2015 #37
Supersedeas Aug 2015 #25
Armstead Aug 2015 #56
notadmblnd Aug 2015 #2
emulatorloo Aug 2015 #9
Freelancer Aug 2015 #3
Peregrine Took Aug 2015 #5
notadmblnd Aug 2015 #8
BillZBubb Aug 2015 #15
notadmblnd Aug 2015 #16
Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #35
Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #28
winter is coming Aug 2015 #7
HooptieWagon Aug 2015 #12
LWolf Aug 2015 #13
Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #30
artislife Aug 2015 #19
think Aug 2015 #20
aikoaiko Aug 2015 #21
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Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #27
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Response to EEO (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 11:43 PM

1. Another ridiculous assertion by a Sanders supporter

Bernie is a natural ally? What legislation has Bernie introduced that is aimed at preventing POC from being assassinated by police?

Two kids screw up big time and you're here to write off the whole movement.

I've said it before, DU NEEDS A TIME OUT!

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Response to GitRDun (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 11:50 PM

4. What legislation have the bigmouths leading BLM suggested?

Bernie is a natural ally of POC and has been for decades. Why didn't the loudmouths propose legislation for him to consider? Then if he rebuffed them, they'd at least have a pretense for being disruptive and offensive.

No one is writing off the stated goals of the movement. People are disgusted with those purported to be leading it.

You claim it is "two kids screwing up". Those didn't look like kids to me and there have been more than two of them. A lot of posters here on DU foolishly continue to support what they did.

It is BLM that needs a time out. Evidently, a long time out to figure out how you win in politics. Hint: it isn't by calling your friends white supremacists.

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Response to BillZBubb (Reply #4)

Mon Aug 10, 2015, 12:05 AM

11. No sane person thinks those kids did the right thing.

However, it is NOT BLM that needs a time out. It's all those who think Bernie can win the election with an ineffective outreach program and supporters who sometimes come across as zealots.

It's people here who continually press the "it's not Bernie's fault" button. IT'S BERNIE'S JOB TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL REACH OUT TO BLM, NOT BLM'S. If he doesn't want their votes, fine. Good luck winning the election.

Clinton and Obama didn't make excuses, they brought Democrats together.

Bernie needs to do it too.

Coddling him will not help him win the general.

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Response to GitRDun (Reply #11)

Mon Aug 10, 2015, 12:12 AM

14. Again with the "kids" bullshit.

Those were adults. And they need to make concrete proposals not a bunch of rambling accusations. Liberals are not white supremacists and those BLM representatives making that statement should have been roundly denounced.

Instead we see numerous Hillary supporters and others claiming they did nothing wrong or they had every reason to say what they did.

And if you recall, when Hillary was first confronted by BLM she said "All lives matter", yet she was given a pass.

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Response to BillZBubb (Reply #14)

Mon Aug 10, 2015, 12:31 AM

17. Your response represents exactly what needs to be fixed at DU & Bernie 2016

"kids bullshit" - I'm 52. They are kids to me. Instead of addressing my point, you fixate on something silly, doing your best to insult me.

The kids (or BLM) need to propose legislation. That's funny, original too. It's especially funny when you consider Bernie has routinely proposed legislation this year that ties in with his campaign.

Hillary statements - ALL IRRELEVANT.

If Bernie wants to win he needs to get the BLM constituency....period, end of story. Stop feeling sorry for him. He's in the big leagues now. If Hillary has an advantage now, gets a pass on some things, so what?

Bernie and his supporters need to stop making excuses and get the job done!

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Response to GitRDun (Reply #11)

Mon Aug 10, 2015, 12:49 AM

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Calling DU Sanders supporters "zealots."

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Explanation: Poster has been ranting about everything because African Americans, GLBT people and everybody else for heaven knows why.
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Response to GitRDun (Reply #11)

Mon Aug 10, 2015, 04:10 PM

22. Looking to me like BLM doesn't want to be reached out to...


... but prefers to enjoy the sense of righteousness indignation emergent from not being reached.

Why simply accept the hand of friendship when it's way more fun to wrangle it out of the Other despite themselves? So much more rewarding.

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Response to sibelian (Reply #22)

Mon Aug 10, 2015, 04:17 PM

23. That may be true of some at BLM

They come across to me like Occupy movement, lots of groups...same logo.

I think most will be receptive to the plan Bernie released Sunday.

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Response to GitRDun (Reply #23)

Mon Aug 10, 2015, 04:19 PM

24. I would certainly hope so.


Naturally, it is always the loudest voices that are heard and sometimes these voices are the least coherent.

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Response to sibelian (Reply #22)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 01:00 AM

32. Really. Do you know Black Lives Matter activists? Have you ever participated in a BLM action?

Do you know anyone who is a BLM activist? Do you read or follow on Facebook or Twitter any BLM activists?

You can start with these folks… amazing committed humanists and people that Bernie has been talking with since Net Roots Nation (and also people who have been targeted by DHS for their peaceful activities and two who have been arrested today in Ferguson before they barely got out of their care)

https://twitter.com/deray/with_replies

https://twitter.com/Nettaaaaaaaa

https://twitter.com/MsPackyetti

https://twitter.com/samswey

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #32)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 08:40 AM

47. ... nah.

Either they are a monolithic organisation with defined goals organised with a centralised position, in which case we can only talk of the movement itself being responsible for the ridiculous spectacle of bullying Bernie Sanders, or they are a loose conglomerate of closely related interests that aren't collectively responsible for that event, in which case your attributions of benevolence have no relevance to the discussion of that event.

It is as if OWS started throwing eggs at Noam Chomsky. Just pure nonsense.

"You hate me!"

"No, I really don't."

"You disagreed with me! That means you hate me!"

It's farcical, Luminous Animal.

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Response to GitRDun (Reply #11)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 01:02 AM

33. Why don't you repeat that statement to Symone Sanders. She'd love to respond to these INSULTS!

 

You are sounding like a partisan Clinton or Obama hack in making them, when he's making a lot of efforts to try and reach out, and you keep endorsing people in effect spitting in his face in response!

It's also BLM's job to try and reach out themselves, not attack Bernie and their supporters without ANY provocation, if they expect those individuals to get a decent response back.

Symone has been giving great speeches on these issues leading in to the last two speeches that were roundly cheered and applauded by audiences that totaled almost 60,000 people then. I don't know what more you want, but I challenge Hillary to match that kind of "bringing together" of Democrats instead of her AVOIDING going to Netroots, or just going to a dinner where people had to pay $2.7k to get in which was the only thing she did in Portland last week instead of meeting with thousands of people, and many more people of color I'd wager than Hillary could meet at the price tag she was asking for that event.

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Response to cascadiance (Reply #33)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 02:20 AM

39. Any criticism is a smear, I know, oops I mean spitting in his face as you say

I know it's hard to hear anything critical about your hero, but that's supposed to be OK outside the Bern-geon...and for the record, I like Bernie just fine. Blind allegiance has never suited me.

Symone's hiring & the announcement of his reform plan was after Seattle. Hillary's team is still more diverse.

I think even Bernie knew he was behind in his goal to be an ally of BLM. And, btw, it is not BLM's job to reach out as you say. They have the votes Bernie wants them.

I understand your Hillary challenge, but that challenge is Bernie's; Hillary leads in those Demographics. I'll leave the other fact free Hillary stuff go.

In my mind, Bernie has Hillary in two categories; domestic policy & a lack of corporate connections. Another is a near tie; foreign policy. HRC much more experience, but a bit hawkish.

One is a big HRC advantage; playing the national politics game. Bernie is working to catch up. Learning who to know, where to go, and how to communicate to all the different Democratic constituencies takes time. We'll see if he gets there.

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Response to GitRDun (Reply #39)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 04:44 AM

45. How do you know we are following him with "blind allegiance"...

 

Following a CORPORATE owned candidate that does most of her stops soliciting $2.7k donations at private parties in my book is more "blind allegiance".

Symone's hiring & the announcement of his reform plan was after Seattle. Hillary's team is still more diverse.


NO! She had already been hired before that incident. It can be argued that it was a response to what happened at NetRoots, but was clearly not a response to what happened in Seattle, when she was already announced as the new chair on Saturday then. And please explain why Hillary's team is "more diverse"...

I think it was BLM (or those individuals in question who are questionably claiming to represent most of BLM's views) that was the one that was telling him that he "was behind".... If BLM wants help with their cause, I'm sorry but it IS as much their job to reach out to those in our government, as it is government to reach out to them. If they don't try, or just basically attack those in government instead of trying to work with them initially, then how do they expect people to respond? They really have failed the art of persuasion, when going after Bernie, as he has shown in his history to always be a good ally for people of color in the past.

Hillary lead a lot of demographics when Obama was running at this stage too. Why? A thing called "name recognition". They don't hate Bernie for still unexplained reasons that these individuals seem to, I guess because he looks too old and white, or perhaps because he's Jewish? Still trying to understand why they like him so much less than other Republicans or Democrats. They need to be more specific on what are their problems with him if they don't want to be taken as having some form of reverse racism or the like being their motivation. It still seems odd why Marisa would have some photos showing her identifying with Sarah Palin, but going after Bernie. That shows a warped set of priorities for me if she really wants to help POC with getting more friends working for them in Washington.

I think Bernie has had a lot lengthier career in being a politician than Hillary has, even if Hillary has had a big chunk of it in the White House as a first lady.

I think Bernie is doing just fine in the "people" constituencies, which is what a democratic system of government should be about in terms of who should be the power to decide who gets elected. I think it would be pretty tough for Hillary to match the sheer numbers of people attending her events that Bernie has had. I'm guessing she's avoiding those now, because she will suffer from the perception that she doesn't get near the same amount of following that he does if people measure turnout for events should she try them instead of just doing private fundraisers.

The people are wanting a big change now, and don't like politicians as much who are just playing the power games of raising money without really meeting the people much on the campaign trail. They are getting VERY tired of big money politics now, and want something different. Bernie represents that change that many of them want now. That is going to be just more and more visible in this campaign as time goes on, and the numbers are going to even out, like in New Hampshire, where Bernie has surged ahead now.

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Response to cascadiance (Reply #45)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 03:32 PM

59. Easy answer

Hyper emotional responses to people who may have criticism, piling on and sometimes outright cyber bullying, unable to reflect on comments like this as are many others in the Bern-geon.

Also, over the top comments on other candidates. HRC is not owned as you say. She may be a little too corporate friendly, but they don't own her.

See http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/19/politics/bernie-sanders-african-americans-2016-netroots/ for the following comment on his team.

"If he is going to have a serious national campaign, he is going to have to better reflect the changing demographics with his team. Diversity is a strength," said Hal Colston, a black Sanders supporter who runs Partnership for Change, a non-profit education group in Vermont.


That's just one quote on BS needing to get more diversity on his team. There's more out there if you're open to the thought.

While I agree that people are tired of the status quo, BS has some work to do (as does HRC) if he wants to win. Bernie will never be Barack, so comparing the two from a poll perspective is not logical. Further, after hundreds of years of institutional racism perpetuated by our government, if you still think BLM has some "obligation", there is nothing anyone here can teach you. Maybe ask a POC, a woman as well in your own life, if it's their job to reach out to a candidate. My guess is they will say it's the candidate's job to convince them they should get the vote.

I'll leave you with this thought, I understand the passion for BS. He could be great. Can we just not turn DU into an anger filled cess pool that costs us authentic voices in the process?

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Response to GitRDun (Reply #59)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 06:32 PM

60. If calling people "white supremacist" with absolutely NO BASIS is "criticism"...

 

... then I'm sorry, that's not asking people to be nice in response. It's a RUDE and NON-CONSTRUCTIVE remark and deserves criticism back. If you don't think so, then I'm sorry but you are absolutely clueless about how to win friends and foster any kind of change. To say we are "hyper emotional" in our response to such criticism would be an understatement as a description of their original comments that lead to our responses.

Whether HRC is owned or not is a matter of opinion. I take it you don't share mine. So be it! But your opinion doesn't invalidate mine.

I guess Symone must be a white lady wearing black makeup then huh? What more do you want? She had the longest speaking role here in Portland of any speaker other than Bernie himself, and that included one that was speaking for Hispanic people too. Again, people's OPINION of whether he has enough diversity in his campaign.

Bernie's not running to be chair of the NAACP. He's running to be president of ALL people in this country. He needs to speak for ALL of us! And so far he's been doing the best damn job of doing that than any other candidate out there! Just because BLM wants him to speak LESS to people that aren't POC (which seems to be the message they are communicating) doesn't mean he's going to do that. He will try to speak more to POC, and has done so, and has had a lifetime of working for them and NOT against them, so there's only so much he can do to satisfy someone that has something else up their craw about him that they still haven't adequately explained yet.

Yes, Bernie will never be Barack. No one asks him to do that. And quite franky I hope he NEVER DOES turn his back on the American people like Barack has in some instances like his pushing for corporate trade bills like Fast Track (TPA), TPP, TISA, TTIP, etc. that will make this country in to a nation of fascist slaves if we aren't careful.

And Bernie at this time of his campaign in 2007 only had around 3,400 people in the convention center, albeit charging $25 ahead when Bernie didn't charge people anything. But if he grew that 3.4k to 75,000 later in primary season, I wonder what Bernie will grow his 28k crowd this time around in primary season later.

I'm not speaking of any "obligation" that BLM has at all to myself or others outside of the movement. I'm speaking of whether they want to actually do something as an obligation to the POC that they say they represent in getting some changes made in our government to fix the problems with police and save POC's lives. Doing what these women did in Seattle is a far cry from doing anything in that direction, and arguably is going to set them back in those goals and obligations to POC who they are saying they are working for to fix these problems.

Bernie has tried to reach out. They keep effectively spitting in his face with the kind of responses they are giving back to him, and it doesn't seem very clear why they are attacking him and sporting badges of SARAH PALIN, as if she would be some kind of hero that will fix this crap, when she will be the one of those that will keep a party in power that will continue to perpetuate this system of institutional racism. These women need to get their priorities straightened out if they don't want to just PO people in their quest for more attention and actually accomplish something with increased attention instead.

I think DU can wind this back if people don't continue to support those people that were stirring up the pot of bad feelings and instead say, push them aside. Let's look at BLM issues themselves, and start again and work on what we can agree on are issues that we need to help them fix. That I can agree on. But I won't be "shut up" in dismissing those that basically were telling me and others here that we're full of it with absolutely no basis for saying those sort of things.

It's not just POC that are being crapped on by corporate America. Anyone in the media that tries to speak against TPP and other issues talking about how the corporate power structure is destroying middle class america are also getting shut down and asked to just "shut up" about it. People like Ed Schultz, etc. are basically pushed aside, and many of us aren't going to stand by and accept that without complaining about that too.

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Response to cascadiance (Reply #60)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 10:00 PM

62. Here's just a smatter from your reply

OP Title: BLM Needs to Be Marginalized and Go Away If It Is Going to Attack Natural Allies Like Bernie...

you are absolutely clueless about how to win friends and foster any kind of change.

Your solution? criticism.. OP solution? marginalize...My solution? Bernie needs to find a way to bring Democrats together...it's not me that needs clues...

I guess Symone must be a white lady wearing black makeup then huh? What more do you want?

Less snark would be helpful, but too much to ask from some in the Bern-geon crowd. Better yet, how about a well executed national outreach program so you don't see as many comments like the one in the article I linked to.

BLM wants him to speak LESS to people that aren't POC

This is a typical Bern-geon poster comment..you can divine what the whole of a grass roots group wants..I have not seen this much certainty since Dick Cheyney.

only so much he can do to satisfy someone that has something else up their craw about him

I like Bernie. I think he can win if he continues to improve. He doesn't have to satisfy me, though. If he wants to get to 51%, he'll need groups like BLM to support him.

I hope he NEVER DOES turn his back on the American people like Barack

TPP is not our President turning his back on America. He thinks he's helping...IMO both wrong. TPP is irrelevant. USA has trade agreements with just 20 countries and trade agreements are rarely enforced. Victory or defeat will not keep 1 job here. These massive corporations will push jobs to lowest cost countries regardless of TPP.

people's OPINION of whether he has enough diversity in his campaign.

I think the guy who gave his opinion to CNN matters, certainly neither of ours does. BS is the seller, voters and voter groups are the buyers. Their opinions do matter, like it or not.

I'm speaking of whether they want to actually do something as an obligation to the POC that they say they represent....They keep effectively spitting in his face

White people, politicians in particular, have been asking minority groups to be quiet and patient for centuries. Who are we to tell anyone how long is enough? While most don't condone how they did it, I think many undertand why..

I won't be "shut up"

No one is asking you too. If you want people to listen, perhaps a little less hostility.

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Response to GitRDun (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 11:51 PM

6. Physician- heal thyself

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #6)

Thu Aug 13, 2015, 09:55 PM

63. real wounds are still to come

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Response to GitRDun (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 10, 2015, 12:03 AM

10. it's getting hard to support BLM because

Even if you agree with everything they say, the response is still "fuck you, how could you understand" I'm not really understanding the end game either. I still of course support social justice but it's hard to define what that means as far as laws being passed. Cams on cops, decriminalizing drugs and prosecuting cops for bad actions will help. I haven't heard any specific proposals from BLM either so I'm not sure they even know what they want.

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Response to TheFarseer (Reply #10)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 12:55 AM

31. Yes, if they are going to continue to say that we can never understand...

 

... then many will start to say "What's the f'ing point in trying to understand, if our efforts to work with them is never accepted." Is that what is wanted? Those with these attitudes are never going to see these problems fixed if it is what is adopted across the movement.

I'd just like to continue to think that there are many other POC in the movement that are wiser than that who will work with us to solve these problems, and we can push these troublemakers aside to get that work done if they don't want to work together on a solution!

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Response to cascadiance (Reply #31)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 01:05 AM

34. Ignoring the two actions that targeted Sanders, quick… tell me what you have done

since Trayvon, what you have done for every murder of black men and women since then and what you are doing on the anniversary of Ferguson.

Then tell me what the BLM movement has done.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #34)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 01:13 AM

37. What have I done? I helped on a committee at the county level put forth a resolution...

 

... against police violence in these instances, which we just passed after a second reading of it in our July meeting.

Have YOU done anything like that? HUH? But you just assume that I don't, because you assume that I'm white, and you assume then that I also do nothing too! I also wrote an initial resolution that asked to give amnesty for past marijuana crimes here in Oregon now that we made it legal, that another followup resolution was passed later, and actually lead to some legislation being passed to do this here in Oregon last term. Many in prison now and affected by drug convictions are disproportionately more apt to be POC due to the way our system of justice works. So your welcome sir!

I have said REPEATEDLY that I am for the movement, but just because I am doesn't mean I have to accept the absolutely RUDE statements made by these individuals.

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Response to GitRDun (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 12:38 AM

25. Bingo

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Response to GitRDun (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 09:33 AM

56. Yes a natural ally

 

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Response to EEO (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 11:48 PM

2. Ah- where are you links to this very disturbing stuff and their leadership?

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 11:54 PM

9. There's a thread claiming BLM is a Secret Plot by "Black Lesbians" to perpetuate racism

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Response to EEO (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 11:49 PM

3. It's best not to try to engage. You could be barred. Happened to me today

I strongly suggest that you just go into silent mode for a while, especially on this topic. Deleting this post all together probably would be wise, before too many forum hosts get you in their cross-hairs.

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Response to EEO (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 11:51 PM

5. Absolutely. He is already being diminished by caving in to them.

Ya, I said it!!

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Response to Peregrine Took (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 11:53 PM

8. really? What should he have done?

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #8)

Mon Aug 10, 2015, 12:14 AM

15. He should have had security so NO ONE could have gotten onto the stage

unless invited.

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Response to BillZBubb (Reply #15)

Mon Aug 10, 2015, 12:20 AM

16. Maybe he doesn't have the money for security as of yet?

If you care to contribute I could send you a link?

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Response to BillZBubb (Reply #15)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 01:08 AM

35. Wasn't his event. He was an invited guest to speak for a few minutes. He didn't seem put out.

Lost his slot and moved on.

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Response to Peregrine Took (Reply #5)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 12:46 AM

28. Yay for you! You have just parroted what I have been reading on near every hate

group website that I monitor.

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Response to EEO (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 11:51 PM

7. BLM is not a monolithic organization. It's not at all clear that the female

protesters in Seattle represent what the bulk of BLM thinks. They were trying to drive a wedge between the AA community and white progressives. Don't take the bait.

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #7)

Mon Aug 10, 2015, 12:07 AM

12. Then they need to reorganize.

 

Their message is being hijacked by a couple of narcissistic Fundy republican Palin supporters, who are discrediting well-meaning BLM supporters. If they don't get organized, and take control of their message, then the psychos will destroy the movement.

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Response to EEO (Original post)

Mon Aug 10, 2015, 12:10 AM

13. Not according to Bernie.

His campaign is about bringing people together, and encourages this response:

"We all stand together."

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Response to LWolf (Reply #13)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 12:52 AM

30. Indeed. People like the OP need to find another candidate. Trump, perhaps?

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Response to EEO (Original post)

Mon Aug 10, 2015, 02:04 AM

19. Let it go

 

The crowds in Portland and in Seattle last night prove that the campaign is fine.

The topic of Black Lives Matter is important and we all need to tackle it.

How it was tackled yesterday, has a lot of differing opinions.

Let it go.

Please, the campaign is fine.

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Response to artislife (Reply #19)

Mon Aug 10, 2015, 02:05 AM

20. +1

 

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Response to EEO (Original post)

Mon Aug 10, 2015, 06:18 AM

21. After 24 hours of all this, I still support the goals of#BLM but not always their tactics or targets


We don't have to throw out the baby with the bath water.

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Response to EEO (Original post)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 12:40 AM

26. Go away.

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Response to EEO (Original post)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 12:43 AM

27. You do not deserve to be a Bernie Sanders supporter. He would NEVER EVER suggest that BLM

go away. Black Lives Matter IS the civil rights movement of our time.

And Bernie has got it.

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Response to EEO (Original post)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 12:47 AM

29. OK, this is seriously creepy. (nt)

 

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Response to EEO (Original post)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 01:09 AM

36. Do you enjoy lecturing black people from your perch?

 

Do you realize how this post looks?

You're not doing Bernie any favors, trust me.

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Response to EEO (Original post)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 01:27 AM

38. BLM is not about a candidate

Nor is it about any individual protesters. It is about doing something about racism and law enforcement violence against black people. So, no, it very much needs to NOT go away. Regardless of whether some of the messengers piss us off.

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Response to EEO (Original post)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 03:46 AM

40. It's a hashtag movement. Of course it will go away

 

Just like Occupy Wall Street. Leaderless movements don't survive.

Maybe it can morph into something else, but as it exists now it's only a matter of time.

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Response to fbc (Reply #40)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 03:51 AM

41. It will go on as long as we keep seeing high profile killings of unarmed black people

 

A big reason is because of the advent of smart phones.

Almost everyone has one and most have video recording technology.

As long as unarmed black people keep dying on video camera, the movement will endure.

BTW, this also big in Europe. These high profile killings are seen around the world and many folks in other countries consider America to be quite racist when they see this. They are correct in their assumptions.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #41)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 04:02 AM

42. Without leaders, anyone is #BLM, and that will lead to more incidents like the other day.

 

Without leaders, the movement will be marginalized by the behavior of some of its representatives, since anyone can be a representative, even if those representatives that give the movement a bad name represent only a very small subsection of total #BlackLivesMatters supporters.

A just cause doesn't guarantee victory. A little more effort needs to go into it, the effort necessary to create an actual organization.

Hopefully #BLM learns something from #OWS.

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Response to fbc (Reply #42)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 04:16 AM

43. Yet #BLM interrupts Bernie Sanders in Seattle, what happens after that incident?

 


http://mic.com/articles/123657/bernie-sanders-response-to-black-lives-matter-shows-that-their-disruptions-are-working

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The week after Sanders was shouted down at Netroots, he came out swinging on criminal justice reform, an issue he had failed to address much earlier in his campaign, during a speech at the Southern Christian Leadership Conference. This weekend, Sanders announced that a black criminal justice advocate named Symone Sanders will help him develop a robust criminal justice agenda and serve as his national press secretary. And the Stranger documented that on Sunday, the day after Bernie Sanders faced his second disruption, the part of his website laying out his policy priorities had a conspicuous new addition: racial justice.



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The disruptions are working, much to the chagrin of the haters.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #43)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 09:42 AM

57. They won with Sanders, and lost with a lot of other people

 

Just look around these forums to see how many friends they won with their action the other day. And it seems like many of the people here who supported the action are just Hillary fans happy about seeing their nemesis take a public hit. Those aren't real supporters. Those are people who would be complaining as loud as the Sanders supporters if it had been their candidate.

How do you think that act is going to go over on the Republican side? You know, the side that currently controls both houses of congress. Actions like the one at the social security event have more chance of inspiring a "militarize the police more" act than it does of winning sympathetic ears.

And that leaves out the obvious point that Bernie didn't just pop up a civil rights section that he hurriedly copy/pasted from google searches in response to the #BLM action. They've been working on that for weeks.

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Response to EEO (Original post)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 04:18 AM

44. You do Realize that Sanders Press Sec is a Supporter of BLM

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Response to EEO (Original post)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 05:57 AM

46. That is a time honored tradition when it comes to POC.

 

Demonize and marginalized one second, then tell them what's best for them the next. Have at it.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #46)

Fri Aug 14, 2015, 03:43 AM

64. Yes, exactly.

It's shameful.

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Response to EEO (Original post)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 08:48 AM

48. I disagree.

 

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Response to EEO (Original post)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 08:52 AM

49. so anonymous poster demands BLM 'go away'

...threatens to marginalize them.

Good luck with that.

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Response to EEO (Original post)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 08:53 AM

50. FFS

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Response to EEO (Original post)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 08:57 AM

51. No.

BLM is like OWS, a loosely connected group of people, all with different ideas of tactics and strategies. And it has serious, urgent needs to be addressed. Just because some of the people associated with it are disorganized and use tactics that seem counterproductive doesn't mean the entire movement should be 'marginalized'. The goal of ending police brutality and the outright murder of black people with no consequences to the officers who commit these murders should be embraced by every sane individual.

Do not collectively punish the many because of the actions of the few.

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Response to EEO (Original post)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 09:02 AM

52. No. Black Lives Matter is important. It is the supporters of other candidates who are

 

spinning things to try and make Bernie look bad who should be marginalized.
As a Bernie supporter, I am embarrassed by your OP. It is a very simplistic kneejerk reaction, especially days after what happened, and days after what happened has been discussed and digested. Bernie would certainly not agree with you one little bit.

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Response to EEO (Original post)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 09:06 AM

53. As a black person, I don't wholly disagree. They seem rather unprofessional and short-sighted.....

Going after Bernie first is the silliest thing I've ever heard of in my life. Watching that disruption was very embarrassing.

Will they go away? No. I don't think they should. I heard one of their reps/leaders say that they had "plans" for all the candidates, so I hope they get to those soon. Also I hope they crack open a marketing book. Bernie was the easiest target, because look how little resistance he gave--I agree with the author of the other thread who said it highlighted his poor leadership skills. Every time he is challenged by the BLM crew, he shrinks back. Every. time.

Smh at the whole thing.

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Response to EEO (Original post)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 09:12 AM

54. "Let's You and Him Fight."

Another flaming bag of dog poop on DU's doorstep. No thanks.

Like virtually all Bernie Sanders supporters, I very strongly support the Black Lives Matter movement. Racial justice is at the forefront of our agenda.

Your OP is absolutely wrong.

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Response to EEO (Original post)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 09:26 AM

55. Sorry , but I have to disagree

Although I do not like what those two women did to Sander's at Seattle and I think the tactic of shutting down someone else's speech rude I fully support the movement . Just because a couple of people did the wrong thing (imo) does not automatically nullify the groups concerns and issue's .

I understand the NRN , that initiated the conversation and while forceful was non threatening unlike the recent disruption . Which is also why the latest protest came across so negatively , I think .

Sometimes you have to step back and realise that as Sander's continually points out , being divided is how they keep the majority silent .

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Response to EEO (Original post)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 10:17 AM

58. you are going about this all wrong

 

A candidate cannot win without the support of the black community. Understand them, and be sincere in your support of not only their cause, but the people and the groups that they feel is getting their message across. Your OP is damaging to your candidate.

But then, I don't know why I care so much that you are screwing over your own team?

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Response to EEO (Original post)

Wed Aug 12, 2015, 06:38 PM

61. Totally disagree. BLM is necessary to stop the killing. I am not found of their method of protesting

but I whole heartedly support the issue.

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Response to EEO (Original post)

Fri Aug 14, 2015, 03:57 AM

65. This thread wasn't alerted?

Well this was a fail idea that makes Bernie supporters look like blowhards.

Since BLM isn't a political group so much as a tactical one, I question the whole concept of "natural allies" when it cones to them.

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Response to EEO (Original post)

Fri Aug 14, 2015, 04:22 AM

66. I'm not going to write off the movement

just because a couple of them seem more interested in shutting down Sanders #BowDownBernie than anything else. They're idiots who are hurting the cause, but the cause is bigger than some ex- Palin supporters who belong to "Outside Agitators 206".

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