Holy, are there people here seriously defending BLM Seattle's actions!?? What's wrong with you?

[gobears10]

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Marissa Janae Johnson called Bernie Sanders a WHITE SUPREMACIST LIBERAL. She said the same about white progressives in the crowd, calling them and Sanders extremely racist and "white supremacist liberals." Never mind that that Sanders' father was an immigrant from Poland whose family was killed in the Holocaust. Nazi Germany and Hitler were driven by a white supremacist ideology that did not county Jews as "Aryan." Neo-nazi and modern white supremacist and white nationalist groups are also very anti-Semitic.

BLM Seattle also posted this on their FB page: "The problem with Sanders’, and with white Seattle progressives in general, is that they are utterly and totally useless (when not outright harmful) in terms of the fight for Black lives."

If these protesters are calling Bernie Sanders a "white supremacist liberal," they have no idea what that is. We used to have white supremacist liberals in our country: they were southern Democrats and Dixiecrats. They were white people mostly in the south who supported economically leftist policies such as FDR's New Deal, Social Security, unemployment insurance, minimum wage laws, and pro-union laws, etc., but they felt that black people were racially inferior, and supported white supremacist policies like banning interracial marriage, Jim Crow, and racial segregation. Strom Thurmond and George Wallace are examples. Dixiecrats largely stopped existing after Nixon's Southern Strategy in which the GOP took over the South though.

Bernie is the FURTHEST THING FROM THAT.

Every group is oppressed in different ways and bigotry does nothing to fix that. Rants about "white people" only reinforce the philosophy that bigotry is acceptable, so long as one feels oppressed. Where does it end if the oppressed group can indiscriminately hate on whatever group the oppressors are part of? So the Russians were justified in what they did to German civilians at the end of WWII? Then that must have given East German babies conceived of sexual assault the right to indiscriminately hate Russia once they grew up, right? WHERE DOES IT STOP?

Isn't it infinitely better to change "ugh, white people" to "ugh, bigots?" To spread the message that labeling and stereotyping and hating entire groups of people is wrong? That bigotry is unacceptably wrong? Marissa Janae Johnson doesn't know the attendees at Bernie's Seattle rally, doesn't know their life stories, what they believe in, or stand for, yet she called them all "racists" and "white supremacist liberals." There's a pic of her floating around with a shirt saying, "sipping on white tears." I find that despicable and prejudiced.

It's the kind of thinking MLK denounced. Malcolm X also denounced that prejudiced thinking after his journey on the Hajj. Making assumptions about people, stereotyping, having your default position being viewing people with distrust...that's WRONG.

BLM Portland said on their FB page "This old white man and his colorblind economic policies ain't gonna save us y'all." First, he doesn't have colorblind economic policies, he's always been intersectional and talked about institutional racism. Second, to me, it's weird to bring up the fact that he's first and foremost an old white man, without acknowledging his record or policy positions, especially relative to other candidates. That's prejudice and bigotry to me, which is unacceptable.

I'm a man of color. I'm Indian-American: I immigrated from India as a child. I don't have white privilege. I've been discriminated against people of all races due to my skin color. I think systemic racism against PoC is a huge problem in our country, and I want to combat it. Structural white privilege is real.

And yet, I strongly think bigotry against any race, or stereotyping, even against white people, is unacceptable. That's not progressive. That is regressive, bigoted, and reactionary, and should be condemned. If you supported the words and actions of Marissa Janae Johnson, you are NOT a progressive or liberal in my eyes. You are pro-bigotry and a reactionary and a regressive.

[haikugal]

1. Well done! Thanks...K&R!

[billhicks76]

29. This Needs To Be Read...They Were Paid

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027060303

Paid Informants

[brewens]

2. All the edibility of right-wingers that use contorted logic to call any liberal or minority

racists for fighting back against racism. We see it all the time. They just gave it away big-time.

If there ever even was a legit BLM group or movement, it's toast now. I can still go along with the message but they better scrap everything and start over.

[yourout]

3. Frankly what they did was sheer stupidity....hurting the one candidate most likely to help them.

[bvar22]

4. Ignorance & Hate are UGLY, and in this case deadly among the lower Middle Class & The Poor.

I thought your OP was well written,
and something that NEEDS to be settled before the Campaigns get too far.

DURec.

[Hydra]

5. The only people defending it are the usual suspects

The rest of us are kind of aghast at how this is playing out. An organization with the supposed purpose of stopping racially motivated deaths...but is dedicated to the idea of splintering the people working on the problem in the process?

[MisterP]

8. that's why everyone's so suspicious--that we've been hearing this since 2008,

that we heard it against Sanders from DU first, and that it's the same screaming-nonsense blogs that always push it

this is just the first time it escaped from the safe world of pixels and bytes into reality, and now it's blowing back hard even online: things have consequences in meatspace

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

90. Meatspace?

I haven't heard that term in years.

[jwirr]

42. It would seem to me that BLM is being used to spread a message that ALL white people are

bigots and supremacists. These two girls had other groups they belonged to. Marrisa talked about being a black nationalist and both belonged to a group I cannot remember the name of but it was designated as a hate group. What we may be missing when we blame BLM is these other ideas.

In their online sites they mention these other ideas more than they do BLM. I was shocked to see one site on which Marrisa was spouting hatred toward President Obama.

BLM started in Ferguson MO and we did not see this type of hatred tossed around. The marchers included many races. We need to ask ourselves if these two women didn't highjack BLM for their own goals.

[Hydra]

45. Then we need a disavowal of the Seattle chapter's actions

Otherwise this is the message they want to convey.

[Vincardog]

78. They were a trolling operation trying to get Bernie to have them arrested. The money

Shot was to be 2 poor black women behind bars for speaking truth to Bernie's power.
The plan was to run that loop 24 X 7 to justify why the crooked a$$ vote rigging machines
don't seem to count any black votes for Bernie or any Democratic candidates.

FAIL

[Supersedeas]

183. if you start there, then you can begin the discussion in earnest

[MoveIt]

43. Ignore any asshole boosting BLM Seattle's actions

This has the added benefit of making DU less fucking stupid too!

[RKP5637]

6. K&R! Well said! n/t

[cali]

7. excellent, insightful post

[MinM]

9. BLM Seattle? BLM Portland?

Are there links to those sites? If so who runs them?

Where are the links to DUers supporting the words and actions of Marissa Janae Johnson?

[Doctor_J]

26. er...yeah

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027058753#post7

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=505755

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251503354

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251504834

Jackass

[MisterP]

27. why do they always ask when they know they'll get an answer? in detail

[MinM]

37. Thanks for the links...

Not sure why I'm a jackass for wanting to shine a light on the posters who support the crap Bernie Sanders was subjected to but whatever...

Any links to BLM Portland or BLM Seattle or anyone else supporting the words and actions of Marissa Janae Johnson? As with Marissa Janae Johnson it would be useful to know exactly who they are and what they stand for.

Thanks again for the links.

[Voice for Peace]

105. here is something from Ring of Fire

http://www.ringoffireradio.com/2015/08/blacklives-false-leadership/

[MinM]

179. Crazy .. we should thank Marissa Janae Johnson.

Thanks to your classless display you inadvertently revealed the agenda of some "BLMers" ..

Also in the process allowed the world to witness the class and dignity of Bernie Sanders.

[A Simple Game]

56. I'm sure you already know this but there are many more examples. Shameful. n/t

[restorefreedom]

10. great post. nt

[brush]

11. Come on, people. We've all watched BLM form over the last year . . .

as a legitimate protest movement that grew organically out of the Ferguson protests, and all the other killings of unarmed blacks in the last year.

We have people with sense her. We all know this. We've watched it happen.

We should not be so willing to discredit a legitimate protest movement because one seemingly unstable person who may be an agent provocateur even, appropriates the BLM moniker and takes it upon herself to stage a disruptive act.

We all should know that something is fishy with that Seattle protest, especially when nothing is done against the repugs where there should be protests.

Seems to me some megalomania is working and someone is thoroughly basking in their moments in the spotlight. I say follow the money.

It'll come out who is funding this.

We have better sense here than to believe this is what BLM is all about.

[dreamnightwind]

12. Then let BLM repudiate it

So far, crickets. The one so-called apology, which apologized only for the white supremacist remark, not for denying thousands of people the chance to hear Bernie who most of them were there to see, was walked back, apparently that apologetic person was not part of BLM. The Seattle and Portland BLM sites, according to what I read last night, are still unapologetically supportive of all of it.

Until BLM gets its act together (assuming it is not together and this is just who they are), they have crossed the line in my mind, illegitimate disrupters who are damaging a very tenuous, and very rare, opportunity for a progressive challenge to corporate rule, which after all is where the police state comes from.

Very few of the posters on DU who support the BLM disruptions are posters who oppose the corporate wing of our party, they are quite happy to see the populist left's hopes dashed. And no doubt it is all our fault, or Bernie's fault, as we hear continuously. Sorry, not buying it.

[brush]

14. Not buying it?

BLM is not a centralized movement with national officers and a chain of command. It's much like the Occupy movement was in that respect.

There are people involved all over the country and they are probably just as aghast as most of us are over the illogical protest in Seattle and are scrambling to figure out what to do.

You seem too ready to think that what happened in Seattle is reflective of a movement that we all watched grow organically out of Ferguson instead of the out of control megalomania of a person who, it was recently reported, was a Palin supporter wishing the GOP had groomed her properly.

You must be kind of new to the game. Most of the protest organizations from earlier times were beset with infiltrators, agent provocateurs, spotlight-seekers and Cointelpro. BLM is no different.

Do you really think those people that were putting their lives on the line confronting tanks and swat teams in the streets are backing continual protests of Bernie Sanders, or even thinking about such a no-win tactic?

Don't fall for the okie doke.

[dreamnightwind]

18. No I am not new to the game

By the way, thanks for being so condescending.

I have been at protests now and then since the late 80's, am well aware of cointelpro and agents provocateur tactics. I have watched so-called anarchists escalate wonderful heartfelt peaceful protests against the war in SF. Maybe they were anarchists, maybe they weren't, people at that time called them "black block", they were AA, dressed in back hoodies and had no relation I could see to anyone else at the protests, who tried to stop theem to no avail. The news coverage was of course about little but those few anarchists.

I don't think such suspicion in this case is unreasonable, though if so we would see some indication of it from BLM. Got any evidence that they are not onboard?

Until I see it, and a lot of it, what I'm not buying is that these few women are operating against BLM wishes. Like I said, there has been no indication of this from the Seattle and Portland Facebook pages (I just know what I read, I don't do Facebook, so let me know if this has changed), quite the opposite.

We were told after the Netroots event that it wasn't about Bernie, they just used that opportunity to get noticed. Clearly that is not true, that is now well established. It's an attack on white liberals, benefitting the corporate wing. It sucks, and until BLM clearly and unambiguously distances themselves from it, they're toast to me.

[brush]

113. Like I said . . .

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BLM is a group that is forming around a crisis of police killings of mostly black people, unarmed black people.

Many involved are sincere and want to do what they can.

Apparently though, there are some that are using the movement for their own purposes — perhaps it's megalomania-spotlight-seeking, or maybe just misguided wrongheadedness by a couple of people, maybe it's even a dirty tricks tactic being deployed and paid for by who knows who right now, but it'll come out.

These two links should help you understand better what happened in Seattle without rushing to judgment:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/08/blm-activist-who-shut-down-sanders-is-radical-christian-sarah-palin-supporter/

https://www.change.org/p/blm-activists-want-the-women-who-interrupted-bernie-sanders-to-apologize-to-him?recruiter=6988665&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=autopublish&utm_term=des-lg-share_petition-no_msg&fb_ref=Default

Let's let it unfold and not discount the efforts of thousands of people who participated in activities around the country to hold killer cops accountable. Disrespectful phrases like "they're toast to me" and "So far, crickets" as to an apology are unhelpful and off-putting.

You actually seem to think there are national BLM officers with headquarters and such that should issue a formal apology. It's a movement organized mostly around a Twitter hashtag for God's sake.

Instead of trashing everyone who has participated in the movement, go after those who have seemingly hijacked the good intentions of it.

[rhett o rick]

158. So you will assume that these three women represent the nation movement

unless you see proof otherwise. I feel just to opposite. Unless the national movement acknowledges that they condone the actions of these three, I will believe they are just part of the SwiftBoating that is aimed at letting Clinton win the nomination.

[Live and Learn]

96. +1 nt

[passiveporcupine]

30. Here is the answer

Very few of the posters on DU who support the BLM disruptions are posters who oppose the corporate wing of our party, they are quite happy to see the populist left's hopes dashed. And no doubt it is all our fault, or Bernie's fault, as we hear continuously. Sorry, not buying it.

Now read this thread. It finally makes sense of what is happening.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=505656

They will only be happy with Hillary. They don't care about anything but women's issues.

[dreamnightwind]

68. Wow

That is one hell of a rabbit hole you got there, thanks, hadn't seen it.

Not entirely sure what to make of it, still learning and reading.

I don't hang out around Ring of Fire at all, though I often see Pap as a guest on Thom Hartmann's shows. I generally like and respect Pap. I noticed this article wasn't signed by him, it was written by Ring of Fire staff, so I assume that means he endorses its content.

At first I was quite uncomfortable with it, it did feel like a RW-type anti-lesbian perspective. As I dug deeper and read some more background material, I started to see more how it is actually a large part of their perspective, which looks to me to be very militant and nihilist.

I still have a lot to learn about it, but so far it looks like they don't have the slightest bit of respect for me, for any issues I care about other than the lives of POC, for my candidate, my race, or my gender, though their disruption is benefitting a lily-white corporatist who likes welfare reform, militarism, takes money from private prison donors, and never met a rich person she didn't like. Hard for me to like someone like this BLM woman, or to view them as an ally, and they make it very clear they aren't my ally, at all.

They seem to feel that any rising up against the man has to be led by them, not by some old white Jewish guy. So they'd be quite happy to sabotage his campaign. I think we're getting to an understanding. To hell with that, and with them. For them, it's "all about me". Black lives matter, but BLM doesn't.

I will stay open to new information, just learning about this now, but at this point that is where I'm at with it all.

[Babel_17]

132. Someone who might be a speaker for BLM made a statement

https://www.facebook.com/marissa.jenae.johnson

Patrisse Marie Cullors-Brignac
3 hrs · Edited ·

Mara Jacqueline and Marissa Jenae deserve to be treated with respect and dignity. They are apart of BLM. I support them in their leadership. Please discontinue harming them through social media. If you have questions about what Black Lives Matter's does. Please message me. I'm tired of folks not being principled or just hateful for no good reason.

BLM did not circulate a petition asking for an apology. We are not circulating articles that are slandering these women's names. Cut this shit out, yall.

[snagglepuss]

155. She was the person who disrupted Bernie at Net Roots.

Effing jawdropping that she has the gall to say she is "tired of folks not being principled or just hateful for no good reason."

[brush]

168. Wait a minute. You can't come on here stating that BLM is funded by Soros . . .

and is part of Hillary's strategy without any proof.

You have a post count of 2 — we don't know who you are so therefore your credibility is a little suspect.

With all due respect, who is funding you?

[brush]

170. WHERE IS YOUR PROOF?

[GP6971]

172. Yup......please provide links.

Your credability is on the line.

[brush]

173. Shouldn't your response have been to the post that was hidden?

The poster with a post count of 2 who turned tail and ran when challenged.

[BainsBane]

13. What's wrong with supporting a movement to stop police killings?

What's wrong with anti-racism, support for human rights, social justice and equality? Absolutely nothing. What is wrong is putting one politician's career about that, what is wrong is putting the comfort of the few over key issues of human rights and human lives. I will stand with Black Lives matter every day, any day, all day, always. I do so because I am a leftist who cares about equality and justice in American society, not just for the white middle and upper-middle class but the subaltern, especially for those hunted like animals, whose lives are threatened and whose true revolutionary movement to stop that killing is degraded.

No politician comes before human rights. No politician is more important than social justice and black lives. None.

[Mojorabbit]

19. Did you even read the OP? nt

[Fuddnik]

20. Sure don't look like it.

[stranger81]

24. But why miss a perfectly good opportunity to grandstand?

[beam me up scottie]

80. NO KIDDING.

It's just another opportunity to plant the meme that Bernie doesn't support poc.

[passiveporcupine]

31. I will stand with BLM too

When it is really about Black Lives Matter. But the movement has been co-opted by a woman's movement, who intends to oust Bernie because he is for all black lives (and all lives, regardless of color), not just women.

[Orangepeel]

86. Co-opted by "a woman's movement"?

What?

[shaayecanaan]

32. You'll support them as long as its not your candidate being sandbagged

and who is unlikely to ever be sandbagged, if her famously proficient security detail has anything to do with it.

Anyone who simultaneously claims to support Hillary Clinton and any kind of "revolutionary movement" is playing both sides of the table.

[BainsBane]

40. The day I put a politician's career above human rights and equality

Is the day I can no longer look myself in the mirror. I don't give a shit about any of the politicians, and I have no respect for a view that holds them above social justice and the citizens they seek to represent.

I fully expect them to turn up at Clinton events when she starts having large public events. Whether they will be able to get by her security is another story. If she can't handle their criticism, she doesn't deserve my support.

[Comrade Grumpy]

54. BLM is one group. And it increasingly appears seriously fucked up.

We can support the cause of racial justice without those particular jokers.

[840high]

77. ...^ that

[DisgustipatedinCA]

123. Let's see: Bernie Sanders versus a dimwit Palin voter.

I think I'll go with Sanders, and I'll leave the Republicans for you to defend.

[R B Garr]

129. Her facebook link said she had a Palin button in high school.

High school is ages 14 to 17/18. They don't vote at that age.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

130. And? There's still no compelling reason I should listen to someone with this sort of judgment.

I was 40 years old when this person was sporting Sarah Palin buttons on her backpack. While she gets her shit together and decides which party she wants to be a part of, I think I'll just continue to fight against Republicans and support liberals.

[R B Garr]

134. Ah, so picking a party in high school is the new standard, yet Bernie isn't even

a Democrat yet after all these years.

Got it.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

137. I'll align myself with the liberal while you work with the Palin groupie.

Have a great day.

[R B Garr]

139. Ah, but liberals who can actually get elected are even better.

That's why there are actual Democrats. Independents don't win elections, but at least Bernie realizes that and now wants desperately to be a Democrat. And he decided way after high school to switch parties, but he gets a pass from this crowd who obviously thinks that a high schooler's backpack buttons brand them for life.

But you go ahead and take huge offense at some high schooler's backpack buttons. Good grief. It's embarrassing for Bernie, though, that this is such a huge deal. Candidates are flamed all the time. This is nothing.

[passiveporcupine]

142. Bernie has not switched parties.

He's still an independent, but he's always voted liberal/social democratic. He's running as a Dem so he doesn't split the vote and disrupt the dem chance in the general. I can understand why you don't (won't) want to accept that, but it's the truth.

BTW, the dem party are not all liberals. And they certainly aren't all progressive or social democrat, which is why he hasn't switched parties.

[R B Garr]

143. So Bernie is an opportunist who is using the Democratic party.

That's what I've said about him all along. One thing I'm sure of is that AA's are always welcome in the Democratic party and a major constituency, so anyone slamming them or trying to shun them is hardly a "progressive". I can understand why you don't (won't) want to accept that, but it's the truth.

And the reality is that he is switching parties for this election, yet some young AA had a Sarah Palin button on her backpack in high school, and she is excoriated here and is branded for life. So much for consistency.

[passiveporcupine]

144. AA's have always been welcome in this party by the progressives

And we've never had to "use" them to try to bring down a progressive candidate. But go there if you will.

[R B Garr]

147. You are denying it is Sander's supporters who are attacking BLM now??

Really? This recent attack on AA's is in response to a Sanders event over the weekend; remember??

Now you're saying that only "progressives" welcomed AA's in the Democratic party. LOL. Sander's is not a Democrat, btw. But you're obviously desperate.

[passiveporcupine]

148. And you are obviously trolling for a fight

Not gonna happen.

Yes, "some" Sander's supporters are blaming BLM for this, since it was two different events where different BLM protesters disrupted the meeting so Bernie could not speak.

I guess they think maybe there is a connection. If it only happened once, it might not seem that way, but some people don't just jump to "coincidence" as the answer.

I personally do not blame the people of BLM, or Hillary for this. I don't know who is really behind it, but the majority of people fighting for BLM (like me) do not speak for the leaders of BLM, nor do they speak for us.

Just because some people who are leading the movement have decided to use it to bring down Sanders, doesn't mean the movement itself and what it stands for is wrong or not worthy of standing up for. I am with all those who really care about black lives. I do, however, also care about all the other POC who are suppressed today, whom some in the BLM seem to think don't deserve the same attention that they do (again, I speak of the leaders here who seem to be co-opting the movement for their own cause.

BTW, do you always assume "some" people represent the whole group?

[R B Garr]

149. Reality is that it was you who tried to divide the Democratic party

into neat little groups and claim some moral high ground that the so-called "progressives" are the only ones who ever cared about AA's when the exact opposite is what is being played out right before our eyes here and now.

The needs and feelings of some Independent and his supporters to hijack the Democratic party and leave AA's out in the cold has been noted by many far and wide. I'm glad you people are being called on it by BLM and others.

[passiveporcupine]

151. Show me where I said "only"

Sorry, not playin your game any more. I don't waste time on people who deliberately try to twist my words. Bye now.

[R B Garr]

153. Here's what you said: "by the progressives" Your quote:

"AA's have always been welcome in this party by the progressives"

You were obviously implying that the so-called purity "progressives" who are now, of course, Bernie fans were the actual AA supporters. That was further emphasized because of a previous post where you tried to slice and dice the Democratic party by declaring that some "liberals" aren't really liberal and other mumbo jumbo used by this very divisive faction of the Sander's fans.

Yet again, I knew it would be a waste of time to be polite, so I'll edit my above post to reflect that reality.

[beam me up scottie]

157. Don't waste your time with that one, passiveporcupine.

If they want to defend a right wing fundie who called Bernie a Zionist and a white supremacist let them wallow in the filth with her.

It's not worth it, seriously.

They're the ones who look desperate.

[Babel_17]

177. She might have an agenda that's not really in sync with BLM

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/08/blm-activist-who-shut-down-sanders-is-radical-christian-sarah-palin-supporter/

[tinrobot]

41. Bernie Sanders is opposed to police killings

He also supports the movement.

So... why is his campaign being singled out for protests?

[JackInGreen]

91. Don't be fooled

Listen to any of their supporters. They'll get around to hillary......only and in the future when she makes herself available....or something.

[AOR]

81. The case you make in your posts would be more convincing....

if it actually matched up with leftism and didn't include going to the mat and going to bat in support of Hillary Clinton. How do you reconcile that ?

[BainsBane]

109. I don't need to reconcile a thing

My democratic rights are my own. You have no right to determine how I vote or to demand I justify it. As for the contempt for Hillary Clinton, I think I'll let Bernie Sanders speak to that.

"I can't think of many personalities who have been attacked for more reasons than Hillary Clinton," he told host John Dickerson on Sunday. "And, by the way, let me be frank — and I'm running against her: Some of it is sexist."

Sanders emphasized the admiration he has for his opponent.

"I don't know that a man would be treated the same way that Hillary is," he said. "All that I can say is I have known Hillary Clinton for 25 years. I admire her. I respect her. I like her.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/570908/bernie-sanders-defends-hillary-clinton-against-sexist-criticism

I am not free to express my reasons why because that post would be hidden. And as tempted as I am to tell you exactly what I think, I know it would fall on deaf ears anyway.

There is a real revolution taking place in America right now, and BLM is leading it. Ferguson is on fire again tonight, police killing more black men, firing rubber bullets and tear gas, yet you all remain focused on the fact that three black women made a politician uncomfortable.

No, your scorn doesn't concern me at all. I owe you nothing.

[AOR]

133. Of course your voting rights are your own...

you misunderstand. Nothing wrong with your support of Clinton. That is your prerogative. Why peddle it as leftism though. It is clearly not. The question is -- how is Hillary Clinton representative of any actual leftist demands in regards to ending capitalist social relations. You claim to be a leftist. If you're not... why the charade. Just admit you're not and continue on the path of defending capitalism and the ruling class in roundabout ways while supporting Clinton. This nonsense that you and some others here - that support Clinton -are peddling as leftist analysis is beyond laughable.

And a "revolution" going on in America right now ? That is what I'm referring to when you make these absurd statements. There is nothing even remotely going on that represents "a revolution taking place in America right now."

[jeff47]

82. When that movement apparently wants to wait at least 16 months to do anything about it.

And when that movement "just happens" to not protest the frontrunner in their campaign to do something about it in 16 months.

[C Moon]

104. WTF?

Brick from Anchorman?

[NaturalHigh]

106. Are you familiar with what happened in Seattle?

One can agree with your reply while still seeing that the BLMs in Seattle acted like jackasses. I think the subject line of your reply is intentionally obtuse.

[Ken Burch]

112. We were all already supporting that movement. Bernie was already supporting it.

It never has been either/or.

Why can't you accept that there isn't a conflict between supporting BLM's objectives and at the same time wanting the most progressive and anti-oppression candidate of them all to be nominated and elected?

And really, why should anybody trust the candidate you've chosen to support, who as the least-progressive person running as a Dem is automatically going to be the most suspect on civil rights issues, to genuinely care about what BLM stands for?. Fine, she's "electable&quot the polls now show Bernie is too, btw) but she's always been a "law and order/zero tolerance/Broken Windows" type in her record on police issues. She's better than the R's by default, but you can't really believe she can be better on this than the overall-most-transformative candidate.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

114. Nothing. By your description it is a good thing.

I (of course) believe that black lives matter, but I will not support the BLM group because they are trying to snuff out my kids future by fucking with the only person I can see addressing our problems. They DO act more like the black panthers than a progressive group. They are cutting off their noses to spite their faces.

[MoveIt]

117. So shocked!

that you would support a republican operative's disruption of a Sanders event!

[Zorra]

15. The "Bernie Sanders and progressive Democrats are racist" meme began here

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on May 27, 2015. On that same day, May 27, 2015, two right wing extremists published their "Bernie Sanders is a racist" meme simultaneously. The meme was then rapidly spread around the internet by many Hillary Clinton supporters and other anti-progressives.

The disgusting lies and smears were coming day after day, and then, on July 18, #BLM did now very questionable deeds at the NN event in Phoenix. The vitriolic smears continued from Hillary supporters and other anti progressives, picked up in intensity, until finally culminating in the embarrassing right wing generated mess we saw in Seattle.

Dear Clinton supporters and other anti-progressives, centrists/right wingers:

PLEASE STOP RIGHT NOW WITH YOUR PHONY RACE ATTACKS ON BERNIE SANDERS AND PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS AND PROGRESSIVE INDEPENDENTS.

PLEASE STOP BEFORE YOU CAUSE MORE DAMAGE TO THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, AND SOMEONE GETS HURT OR KILLED.

Please.

[Doctor_J]

17. They already did some damage

This voting Dem since 78 will not be voting for Mrs. Clinton. Her supporters are disgusting and I won't be associating with them on any level.

[passiveporcupine]

150. I really hate to hear this coming from liberals and progressives

Yes, I know it's easy to be disgusted with the way some supporters seem intent on destroying progressives and their candidate...but it's just a few people (usually the same few people here) who do this. And some Sander's supporters have invoked the same feeling in Hillary supporters...that even if he wins the primary, they will not vote for him in the General.

The candidate is NOT responsible for their supporters.

Democrats really need to win the whitehouse (and congress) in 2016...it is critical for many reasons, and I will be voting for Hillary (whom I do not like at all) if she wins the primary. Why? In spite of the way some of her supporters behave, I know how much it will hurt this country if we get another republican in office now. Too many things are going backwards already...we don't need to give them more power.

Please reconsider this "emotional" stance and make the mature choice. I'm not saying you are immature...but I think it is too easy to let emotions take over. I can only hope this is just a "vent".

[Qutzupalotl]

163. I doubt this is coming from Clinton supporters

because a) she can basically coast to the nomination, and b) planting protestors would carry a high risk of backfiring with little gain, as another poster pointed out.

I would look at funding from the right wing. We've seen one of the Seattle protestors having a Palin button and being associated with radical Christian fundamentalists.

The right has a game plan for attacking Clinton that they've been salivating to use for decades. Running against Sanders would mean rethinking their whole strategy. I don't know how they'd counter him, actually. Maybe they don't either, hence the smears.

[dreamnightwind]

33. Thanks, good info

I remember how the meme showed up here early, from pro-corporatist posters. I'd be interested in seeing the posts you consider the first of it, if you have links I'd be grateful, either post them here or PM me.

I dunno if I'm ready to call the Seattle events RW. I heard about the girl's Palin sticker, etc., seemed to me she was just very young and her ideology had little history to it, so she was all over the place. Regardless, the Bernie and his supporters = racist meme is clearly being promoted to benefit the Clintons, ironically enough given her history.

Thanks for calling it out and demanding that it stop.

[Zorra]

47. I PM'd the info to you, otherwise it would get hidden. Again. nt

[haikugal]

127. Me too please Zorra, thanks!

[left-of-center2012]

79. Organized, dirty politics by the HC crowd

IMHO

[jeff47]

83. Nah, probably the GOP.

They really, really, really want to run against Clinton. 40 years of opposition research standing by, general distrust of her, underwater on favorability, and I bet they already have some "questionable" emails queued up from Clinton's servers.

And most importantly, the Republican voters will crawl over broken glass to vote for a candidate who promises to torture them to death in order to vote against Clinton.

[haikugal]

126. ^^^^THIS THIS THIS^^^^

Hear it, say it, sing it, tweet it, spread it....truth to power!

We all stand together, enough is enough!

Feel the Bern...

Peace out.

[Starry Messenger]

16. You're a busy fellow, aren't you?

[magical thyme]

28. per Marissa's facebook page, she supported Sarah Palin and was with the GOP until about a month ago

She's just angling for her 15 minutes of fame and thinks she'll land a job with the GOP if she takes out Bernie for them.

Unfortunately for her, she neglected to clean up her facebook and its all over twitter. Too late to go back now.

But go ahead and align yourself with a wannabe GOP operative, if it makes you feel better.

[Starry Messenger]

34. Passive-aggressive isn't an attractive look.

Fortunately Bernie is smarter than 99% of DU today:
http://www.thestranger.com/blogs/slog/2015/08/09/22671362/bernie-sanders-adds-racial-justice-platform-to-website-says-hes-disappointed-by-seattle-rally-interruption

He changed his website today with a racial justice section. So I guess he's aligning himself with "a wannabe GOP operative " too.

And a teenager wearing a Sarah Palin button being a GOP operative only happens in the fever dream of some Bernie supporters on DU. Realityville wins again in the outside world. Good thing you didn't really throw things at the Black protesters like you said you wanted to.

[truebrit71]

35. Did you bother to check out her Facebook page?

The links that show she is clearly a fundy nutcase? Or did you just go straight into the Bernie-supporters attack mode?

[Starry Messenger]

36. Do you like the new changes to Bernie's website?

http://www.thestranger.com/blogs/slog/2015/08/09/22671362/bernie-sanders-adds-racial-justice-platform-to-website-says-hes-disappointed-by-seattle-rally-interruption

He put in a new section. Today.

[truebrit71]

38. Do you agree with her statement that Bernie and his followers..

... are "white supremacist liberals"?

[Starry Messenger]

48. OMG, Bernie is in on this too?

Guyz! We'd better tell him he's been hoodwinked by the big dangerous GOP operative you guys sniffed out. He put a section on racial justice on his website for nothing?? Better let him know!

[truebrit71]

57. Try answering the question.

.

[dreamnightwind]

59. Nobody but you is claiming Bernie is allying himself with her

He actually does care about black lives, he has lived it. Others have tried to make it appear otherwise, he got the message that his position on this was (wrongly) suspect, and he hired a woman who does reflect his views about iimproving their lives. I watched her introduction of him at the Seattle rally, it was very impressive, check it out if you haven't seen it.

The stuff about the Seattle protester's Facebook is true, if you don't check it out yet continue to ridicule it I will take you as being disingenuous.

[Starry Messenger]

61. News flash. I don't care what any of you think of me or what I post.

Honestly. I care that Bernie responded and did what protesters have been asking him to do. All this magic bullet, deep cover operative Soros doodoo is not a view shared by Bernie, that's all on people here. That's all stuff you'll have to walk back now, because it was stupid.

[beam me up scottie]

65. Bernie didn't respond to the Palin wingnut who screamed and shoved him yesterday.

He didn't need to, he's been fighting for civil rights his entire life.

You Hillary supporters are exploiting blm for your own agenda and it stinks.

[Starry Messenger]

66. Awww, c'mere.

[beam me up scottie]

69. "I had a Sarah Palin button on backpack" Who is BLMS's Marissa "Johnson" Jenae?

"I had a Sarah Palin button on backpack" Who is BLMS's Marissa "Johnson" Jenae?

Hug her, she's no friend of Democrats or liberals.

[riversedge]

88. 1+

[dreamnightwind]

70. re the walkback, not so fast

For one thing, if you'd cheecked out this woman's background, you'd have seen how she was complaining that the GOP hadn't "groomed" her, so now they could watch her work from the other side.

I will put you down as disingenuous and be done with it. Not that you care of course.

[beam me up scottie]

74. I think they're doubling down on the meme because they're embarrassed.

Some HC supporters publicly and adamantly supported this woman's behaviour until the truth came out.

It's pretty funny watching them try to save face now, actually.

[arcane1]

154. I think a lot of people shamelessly hoped this "racist" smear would stick for a while

And now they're stuck with it.

[beam me up scottie]

156. Now anyone who criticizes Marissa cares more about Bernie than black lives.

That's the new meme, it's an add on to a previous one:

We worship Bernie, he is our messiah (that's the old meme) and now it's our fault that he and his supporters were called white supremacists.

[CJCRANE]

108. Soros? Surely you mean the Kochs.

Soros is the boogeyman financier more often cited by RWers, while the Kochs are the go-to boogeymen for LWers.

[Luminous Animal]

135. I doubt Seattle had anything to do with it but rather the campaign's engagement with these

longtime and amazing Black Lives Matter activists. (They have also spoken with the O'Malley and Hillary campaigns)

https://twitter.com/deray/with_replies

https://twitter.com/Nettaaaaaaaa

https://twitter.com/MsPackyetti

https://twitter.com/samswey

[DisgustipatedinCA]

115. You defend this subhuman Republican piece of shit all you want.

I won't be joining you.

[winter is coming]

121. NOBODY is "subhuman".

I utterly rejected her tactics and goals, but that does not make her subhuman.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

122. Ok

[Bubzer]

89. I think you just got your answer...

[Comrade Grumpy]

55. There's a name for your logical fallacy: Post hoc ergo propter hoc

A few more victories like this for BLM and they'll be history.

[Starry Messenger]

58. You mean the fact that Bernie added a section on racial justice to his website today?

Like he was asked to do after NN15? And didn't, prompting another protest? So he did what protesters have been asking? A few more defeats for BLM like this one, and they won't have to even exist. Racism will be over, yay!

http://www.thestranger.com/blogs/slog/2015/08/09/22671362/bernie-sanders-adds-racial-justice-platform-to-website-says-hes-disappointed-by-seattle-rally-interruption

[Bubzer]

92. So Bernie added Racial Justice to his website... and you think this is bad?

Kudos to Bernie for taking down one more potential talking point from the GOP or other politically motivated individuals.
Did he do it in response to a GOP wanna-be operative... perhaps. Is he smart to do it? Absolutely. I don't think he needed to... his voting record is superior to that of any other politician on civil rights... but its certainly prudent.

Should he have added it sooner? Perhaps. But at least he's responding... which is more than can be said for Hillary and her stance on the TPP or a number of other issues... all which oddly enough seem to be tied to big banks. Why do suppose that is?

[Starry Messenger]

95. I think it is great! I'm not sure why you thought I thought it was bad.

This subthread is awesome. I made one tiny remark on the OP and this whole thing down here is still happening.

I absolutely applaud Bernie for responding to the protests, and their request that he add a plank about racial justice onto his website, which he did today. That is what they requested after NN15.

Hint, I don't think the protesters are "GOP operatives." I think they are passionate college kids. The DU foolishness over this has exposed a lack of exposure to Black protesters. I do activist work in Oakland and the Bay Area--young Black activists are not Hillary fans. (And yes, I examined the FB pages of both young ladies last night, ftr.)

What I think is bad is the utterly tone deaf, patronizing, and obsessive need to make BLM into some huge Soros conspiracy by *some* supporters of Bernie Sanders. Now, if someone needs to spin that into another DU tall tale, they'll have to do it without my help.

[Bubzer]

119. I think, what you're deriding as conspiracy, others are legimately seeing as a cause for concern

You don't think Marissa or her cohort were operatives... and perhaps you're right. And perhaps you're not. Either way, there is enough evidence out there to indicate something illegitimate is going on behind the scenes. You can see some of that evidence at the links below.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027060303
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251502632

Add to that evidence, everyone knows politics is a dirty game of gotchas and targets of opportunity. Actions like this are consistent with GOP operative attacks... even some less scrupulous Dinos have resorted to such attacks.

So while you're willing to dismiss these concerns and try to characterize them as utterly tone deaf, patronizing, and obsessive,
you've done nothing to address the reasonable concerns. All you have done here, really, is try to attack Bernie's supporters for wanting to defend their candidate... as most supporters for any candidate would.

[magical thyme]

110. When I was 16 my father apologized to me because it was his fault that "your face is so ugly nobody

will ever want to marry you."

So you probably can understand why I don't really care very much or at all whether an anonymous stranger on the internet doesn't consider me attractive.

Back the the topic at hand, Marissa has a photo of herself with a friend and a caption about her Sarah Palin button on her backpack. And comments about herself as a member of the GOP dated about a month ago. I did not call her a GOP operative; I called her a wannabe GOP operative. Surely you can see the difference between those phrases. For evidence:

Here is the photo with caption:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207319053157888&set=p.10207319053157888&type=1&pnref=story

And it lives on in twitter here:
https://mobile.twitter.com/ExtraSolarGroup/status/630475790539292672

And here is her comment about how the GOP should have groomed her way back when:

Marissa Jenae GOP shoulda groomed me right then...now they gotta see me on the other side *shrugs*

1 · July 19 at 11:40pm

And I repeat, if you want to align yourself with the GOP go right on ahead.

"He changed his website today with a racial justice section. So I guess he's aligning himself with "a wannabe GOP operative " too."
As much as they'd like to think they do, BLM does not represent the entirety of the world who seeks racial justice. Not even close to it. And unless they disavow Marissa, her co-conspirator and their tactics, I believe are aligning themselves with or at least tacitly approving them. Just to make it clear, I do not speak for Bernie.

"Good thing you didn't really throw things at the Black protesters like you said you wanted to. "

Now who's being passive-aggressive? For context for other readers, I did say that watching the video I wanted to throw things at them. That was the 2 spoiled brats -- one now known to be a wannabe GOP operative -- as well as the "security" team that let them get onto the stage. And later clarified to include other people who make me want to throw things at them (Sarah Palin, Ann Coulter, and a few other nutcases who I don't remember at the moment).

[kwassa]

85. um, what Facebook page?

Got a link? Doesn't show up with a search.

[AnotherDreamWeaver]

97. several links here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027060303

[magical thyme]

111. links right here:

Here is the photo with caption:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207319053157888&set=p.10207319053157888&type=1&pnref=story

And it lives on in twitter here:
https://mobile.twitter.com/ExtraSolarGroup/status/630475790539292672

And here is her comment about how the GOP should have groomed her way back when:

Marissa Jenae GOP shoulda groomed me right then...now they gotta see me on the other side *shrugs*

1 · July 19 at 11:40pm

[Ed Suspicious]

21. The people behind that ideology considered Jews rats, and a disease. There was a whole

department built around educating children and other citizens that Jews were the disgusting, problem causing "other." It was absolutely brutal.

To paint Bernie as the perpetrator of this sort of this is beyond disgusting.

[pansypoo53219]

22. is there a strangely PALE person in this group?

[K lib]

23. I want to know if some of these BLM protestor are registered to vote

Did they participate in the last election? Are they going to participate in this election? if they did not that is very disappointing given the fact that their ancestors had to fight for that right. You cant change the political system if you don't vote and I hope they took the time to do that at least.

[Person 2713]

64. I'd guess many are registered to vote but won't participate in two parties and see Sanders as a lead in Dem

to get them to think change will happen with lip service, but they think nothing will change unless they are heard through more protests and action

Saying "you can't change the system without voting "
then people voting and never seeing change have paved the way to this point . Saying voting will change things and then once the candidate gets the votes , no change just things as usual

Also minimizing the movement by saying it's run by HRC or RW IMO is just not getting it

[Vattel]

25. I agree that calling Sanders a white supremacist is idiotic.

[Major Nikon]

39. Interesting article on Kos today

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/09/1410195/-Seattle-BLM-Protest-Was-Not-BLM-Sorta

[MinM]

60. Outside Agitators 206

The plot thickens. Thanks for posting that.

[MinM]

180. sponsored by Merck & Co?

[MinM]

181. OutsideAgitators206 gets more Mercky

traceroute of outsideagitators206 .org reveals its IP address is 54.68.196.65. (from Windows command prompt, enter tracert followed by the domain name).

Checking ownership of that IP address via http://cqcounter.com/whois/ shows the domain belongs to Merck & Co.

thanks to alwyn

[captainarizona]

44. black lives matter is right on!

How else do you get bernie to talk about racism instead of twentieth century socialism? I got blocked from bernie thread for suggesting he appeal to minorities in the democratic party and not leaving them to Mrs. Clinton.

[jeff47]

84. Uh, he already was talking about it.

Heck, he "said her name" before the NRN protests demanded he "say her name".

Your inability to follow a campaign does not alter reality to fit your views.

[ALBliberal]

46. The ignorance and stupidity of the voting public at large...

Is planned by starving public education and is easily exploited. No way a history lesson can make it through the TV and M$M. I am beyond disgusted. But nothing surprises me any more.

[Lifelong Protester]

49. As one who was there, I really feel

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for the older guy who was waiting over an hour to hear Senator Sanders. He could barely walk across the street, and by the time my sister was crossing the street to give him a button, he left (he said he was getting too hot.)

I certainly am aghast at being myself called a "white supremacist" or whatever they were calling those who were interested in hearing Bernie speak.

You do know the event was about Medicare and Medicaid, and a lot of the audience (including me) was older, and there to hear about strengthening these programs.

[beam me up scottie]

67. I'm sorry you were called a white supremacist.

It came from a rw fundy Palin supporter so don't take it personally, she has an agenda and it has nothing to do with opening a dialogue with allies of BLM.

[Lifelong Protester]

71. Thanks!

I want to be an ally of BLM and understand what I can do to help, and being called names ain't helping.

[moondust]

50. "...making common cause with the Republican caucus."

Oh wait, that was President Obama describing Republicans aligned with Iranian "Death to America" hardliners.

My bad.

[George II]

51. To start off, the biggest problem is she did NOT call Sanders "a WHITE SUPREMACIST LIBERAL"....

....that's where I stopped reading.

What was the exact quote?

[AzDar]

52. K & R

[GP6971]

53. Kicked!

Great post!

[WillyT]

62. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

[RufusTFirefly]

63. Mission Accomplished

Even vehemently refuting these specious accusations gives them credence they don't deserve. Remember when John Kerry, a decorated war hero, had to defend his military record, while George aWol Bush got off scott free? These are pure Rovian style tactics: you don't attack the candidates' weaknesses; you attack their strengths.

[icarusxat]

140. which is why it is so hard to attack Republicans...

they have no strengths...

[zappaman]

72. Will you be self deleting this thread?

Like the other 16 you self deleted?

[Uncle Joe]

73. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, gobears.

[L0oniX]

75. Not suprised there are Marissa Janae Johnson (republicon) lovers on DU. Sad and pathetic.

[jalan48]

76. They don't want to argue about Bernie's stance on issues so...

it's all about Bernie Sanders is a racist all the time.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

116. We used to ban people who supported Republicans.

[Skittles]

87. I am choosing to believe they are paid disruptors

they're so over-the-top they are ridiculous

GOBEARS indeed

[Cleita]

93. I'll say it again. White Supremacists are fundamentalist Christians who consider

Adolf Hitler a Hero, and like to paint swastikas all over their stuff and tattoo it on their bodies. They have arsenals of guns on their compounds. They hate everyone who isn't a white European but especially hate Jews even more than PoC. To call Bernie, a Jewish man who lost family in the Holocaust, a White Supremacist has to be the height of ignorance, because if it isn't from ignorance, it's cruel and disgusting.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

94. Actually, the Dixiecats weren't "Liberal" in any sense of the word....

They were Democrats but the two are NOT synonymous.

The Republican Party used to be the Party of Lincoln and got it's name from the idea that they were for keeping the United States together while the Democrats got their name by the concept of "majority rule" as in "WHITE majority rule" but those origins no longer apply. After LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act all of the racists in the Democratic Party switched over to the Republican side of the aisle and the Liberals in the Republican party found a home in the Democratic side of the aisle. It took time for the transition to complete as George Wallace demonstrates.

The definition of "Liberal" however has always been about human rights while "Conservative" has been about property rights.

[gobears10]

98. right, fair enough...

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But the Dixiecrats did support leftist economic policies, as long as they was for white people. They supported minimum wages, strong unions, FDR's New Deal, Social Security, etc., but they were white supremacists. The GOP is economically conservative on all those fronts.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

101. Actually, the Democrats as a whole were popular with the working class in general since FDR....

Dixiecrats pushed for union shops in the coal mines and mills.

Remember this?

Republicans were against Unions and after the fall of the Dixiecrats they told the white folks in the South that the Unions were giving good jobs to black people when poor white people should come first. Over the years the anti-Union propaganda became generational to the point where I met someone in the South who thought the Civil War was fought to keep Unions out and that's why they called it the "Union Army".

[sabrina 1]

99. She was spouting Rush Limbaugh/Hannity/Rove rhetoric which now that we know

she is a Palin fan, who was 'groomed' by probably the same people who groomed Breitbart and all the rest of the right wingers whose main purpose is to go out and call Liberals 'White Supremicists' because these right wingers HATE liberals.

This woman cares nothing for Black Lives, she has seriously harmed the good people of Ferguson with her right wing garbage.

Bernie is soaring and gaining support from AAs, every day as they begin to learn who he is and what his record is.

Anyone who supports an admitted Palin fan, groomed by the far right, well, there are no words.

[George II]

124. What did she say?

[George II]

182. "She was spouting Rush Limbaugh/Hannity/Rove rhetoric"

You still haven't told us what she said, so I'm guessing she never said all of that.

At least you got a chance to "swiftboat" her.

[BeanMusical]

100. Kick and R

[Betty Karlson]

102. "conservative regressive" aka reactionary

Well said, gobears10: she is a reactionary. She is a disgrace to the overall sympathetic movement BLM is.

[flamingdem]

103. K n R!

[NaturalHigh]

107. Preach it!

[boatsnhose]

118. Well done

Very well said post. I'm curious to see how these rumors about whether or not those women were actually part of BLM are true or not .

[Doctor_J]

120. The strange thing is that DEMOCRATIC underground seems to be one of the hotbeds

of support for this republican terrorist.

[Maedhros]

125. Please don't call her a "terrorist."

That term is so loosely defined as to be nigh unintelligible, but labeling someone a "terrorist" can have very severe civil rights implications.

She didn't try to kill or injure anyone, she's not a "terrorist."

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

136. So it may seem

In a round of thought to it at the time it was happening ,in the what the hell of it, that too occurred in thought along with so much more. I heard an expressed opinion that seemed to make sense at the time- the gentleman said ,some kind of bull shit coming out of hell or who knows where, those mother f'ers ain't about noth'en or nobody. If yer guessing friend is Afro American, yer right as rain.

[Zorra]

138. Not all that strange, really. It's been a hotbed of support for RW economic terrorists

as well.

[KamaAina]

128. "The problem with Sanders’, and with white Seattle progressives in general,"

Bernie is a white Seattle progressive? Seattle is in Vermont? Who knew?

[mike_c]

131. likely the only thing I will ever say about this event....

I'm disappointed. If the BLM movement wants to reject alliance with white progressives, I think we are both diminished. However, alliances are two way streets-- they must be both offered and accepted by all parties involved. I'm disappointed because I think the best way to achieve social justice is people working together in pursuit of common goals despite prior injustice. But they have to share common goals, and I suppose the BLM movement has determined that it does not share the same objectives as white progressives. I think that's unfortunate, but it's their right to accept or spurn alliances.

I'm a white progressive. Have been all of my life. I'm going to support Senator Sander's candidacy no matter who my allies are, and no matter what other causes we might or might not have in common. I also support Black Lives Matter, whether they want my support or not. The question is really not whether we have common objectives-- it's whether we want to work together in support of those objectives or whether we reject each others' alliance.

[Farmbrook]

141. Bernie Sanders is politically astute. He can fight his battles. The last time I check we live in a

free country. As a black BS supporter, we as a people cannot breath! we are dying! If not now, when?

I feel sorry for Mr. Sanders because of some of his rabid supporters. For 400 year politicians and party administrations have promised to ease the boots on our neck and nothing has happened. I support Bernie and all his fantastic ideas but the fact is a black person like me may never live to enjoy those benefits.

This is nothing but white privilege and white supremacy. Why the personal attack on this young lady. Bernie can fight his battles. He is an adult. I would have never thought that I would see the same kind of vitriolic attacks coming from Bernie supporters from this forum. This is the Tea Party mentality and tactics. This lady might be the next Sandra Bland, and I can also be a victim. It is of the utmost urgency that we do anything necessary to save our lives. Some of these so called supporters are not really Bernie supporters because he would have never said some of the stuff that is being said on this forum.

#BLACKLIVESMATTER

[robertpaulsen]

145. Doesn't surprise me. DU has always been slow to eject agent provocateurs.

Remember how many fucking years OPERATIONMINDCRIME went around spewing his poison all over this site? Then when the mods finally felt he went over the line and banned him, he posts over at a right wing website crowing about how long he got away with his trolling.

BLM better get their shit together. There's a whole flock of candidates that can accurately be depicted as having "colorblind economic policies"; they just don't have a (D) at the end of their names. I suggest they give the boot to their very own Christian Fundamentalist troll, and start protesting candidates that actually do the things Marissa Janae Johnson decries.

[libodem]

146. Cuz this guy is awesome

[img][/img]

[HassleCat]

152. I don't know what they are

But I'm losing interest in their message. They're kind of like the Tea Party, which seemed to have some issues when they first appeared on the scene, then quickly devolved into a joke.

[R B Garr]

159. So the Bernie PUD's have done nothing but call people names and label them:

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Corpodems, Third wayers, warmongers, parasites, neoliberals, new democrats,

BUT,

God forbid a young AA calls you: White Supremacist Liberals -- and you all get the vapors.

UNREC, please get ahold of yourselves. This is embarrassing.

Oh, and the backpack! Someone in high school once had a button on her backpack! omg!

edit for spelling.

[yuiyoshida]

160. This POC ...

This Asian female, agrees.

[Raymond82]

161. Here's a shocker...

Here's a shocker: at least one of the three protesters claiming to be from Black Lives Matter who accosted Bernie Sanders last night turns out to be a big Sarah Palin fan.

[imthevicar]

162. These are the actions of a shill,

set upon a speaker to hopefully paint him in broad strokes whether or not guilty. Please remember A lie can go around the world before the truth has got her boots on. 3 guesses who's campaign is behind this and the first 2 guesses don't count.

[bobclark86]

164. I'll remember that...

The next time some white person interrupts an event for their own agenda. Like OWS kids did. And that guy screamed down Wayne LaPierre at the press conference after Sandy Hook.

SMH

[kenfrequed]

167. It wasn't BLM

It was some odd outfit that organized a website a few days before and claimed to be part of BLM. They actually have their own website and what not and one of their people was an activist for Sarah Palin.

[Old Crow]

171. It wasn't BLM?!

Tell that to BLM, then.

Their own Facebook page in no way distances themselves from what happened in Seattle; on the contrary, they seem to be saying the action on Saturday was an example of their "diversity of tactics" employed by their "decentralized network" (their words, both instances).

https://www.facebook.com/BlackLivesMatter

[kenfrequed]

174. Why do research at all?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/09/1410195/-Seattle-BLM-Protest-Was-Not-BLM-Sorta#

[Old Crow]

175. Thanks, but I already read that article.

If you'll notice, even the 20-year-old author of that Kos piece isn't convinced that the demonstrators aren't part of BLM (thus the "Sorta" in the title).

Take a look at the Outside Agitators 206 website. You'll notice that a BLM banner is a prominent part of their own nameplate. On the same website you'll see that Marissa Johnson identifies herself as the media contact for BLM Seattle. And on the BLM Facebook page (which it appears you haven't looked at), they state "We have not issued a public apology, neither have we made any public statements demanding an apology."

Granted, it's pretty clear that BLM is loosely organized and I rather doubt the three protesters were following any kind of high-level BLM marching orders. But when an event happens that (a) has your organization's name all over it, and (b) you don't disavow it, and (c) you state "We have not issued a public apology" --well then, you own it.

[sabrina 1]

176. Shameful, isn't it?

[choie]

178. Hey gbears10!!!

Mike Malloy is reading your post!!!!

[MinM]

184. RECREATE 68

Mike Malloy has been dilligent in warning everyone to be on the lookout for these kinds of shenanigans.

[LexVegas]

185. Kick. nt