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NBC News/Marist poll: Obama +2 in North Carolina, +4 in Michigan, and Tied in New Hampshire (Original Post) Rosanna Lopez Jun 2012 OP
What is wrong with new Hampshire? liberal N proud Jun 2012 #1
What's wrong in Michigan? Rosanna Lopez Jun 2012 #2
I'm waiting for the debates Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2012 #3
expect Romney to have a short lived lead once he gets all the attention of choosing WI_DEM Jun 2012 #12
I think the poolls are skewed notadmblnd Jun 2012 #4
I want to know the sampling numbers and NBC INdemo Jun 2012 #5
I love how every poll that doesn't have Obama by a landslide is 'skewed' WI_DEM Jun 2012 #13
I live in Michigan, Oakland County to be precise notadmblnd Jun 2012 #15
With any of the polls that show Romney tied or in the lead, I ask the question liberal N proud Jun 2012 #9
the old people here confuse him with his father Motown_Johnny Jun 2012 #20
Obama will win michigan by 8-10 points scheming daemons Jun 2012 #6
That means he is down from 2008 Rosanna Lopez Jun 2012 #7
Yes, but he is going to be down from 2008. WI_DEM Jun 2012 #14
I agree, he will win by a large margin. notadmblnd Jun 2012 #16
Well Robbins Jun 2012 #8
I know it's too early for me when I keep seeing "Marxist" polls Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #10
Well it's good to see an independent poll showing Obama leading in Michigan! WI_DEM Jun 2012 #11
I've been saying Obama will win NC again. I live here and I feel like I understand the people here. musicblind Jun 2012 #17
I live here, too, and I'm not convinced Obama will take NC again. mnhtnbb Jun 2012 #18
No one knows how North Carolina will vote Rosanna Lopez Jun 2012 #19

Rosanna Lopez

(308 posts)
2. What's wrong in Michigan?
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 07:47 AM
Jun 2012

I don't think anything is wrong with New Hampshire at this point. Most polls have had Obama ahead there, and he is favored to win the state according to Nate Silver's site, but NH is still a swing state so Romney is going to put up good numbers sometimes.

I think the bigger question is what's wrong in Michigan? This state has been Democratic for the past 20 years, but Romney is getting very strong numbers in poll after poll. It no longer looks like an anomaly.

It seems like the Romney name is helping him afterall. I would have thought Michigan was too smart to fall for Romney's claim that it is his home state (and 'the trees are the right height') since he left there 40 years ago and never goes back except when he wants their votes, but it seems like he's doing well so far.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,392 posts)
3. I'm waiting for the debates
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 07:55 AM
Jun 2012

for Obama to start peeling off some "independent" support for Romney. The actual election season is still young and people are mostly reacting to the economy and their personal situations. Once people see (really see) who Romney is (or isn't), I believe that Obama will open up solid leads. He's doing quite well overall now.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
12. expect Romney to have a short lived lead once he gets all the attention of choosing
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:25 AM
Jun 2012

a VP and his convention. Then Obama should also get a bump with his convention.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
5. I want to know the sampling numbers and NBC
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:13 AM
Jun 2012

being a right wing corporate outlet I just don't trust this to be accurate..

So yes ..I agree,keep it close and its easier to steal.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
13. I love how every poll that doesn't have Obama by a landslide is 'skewed'
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:26 AM
Jun 2012

actually these aren't bad numbers. This is the first poll to have Obama leading in Michigan in some time. To be up two-points in NC is pretty good (he won it by about one-point in 2008), and while NH is not great it's a swing state and the most conservative of the New England states.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
15. I live in Michigan, Oakland County to be precise
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 06:20 PM
Jun 2012

The richest, most republican county in Michigan. I drive all around Oakland County for the work I do. From Clarkston to Novi, From Milford to Shelby Township. And I can tell you, there is nothing for Rmoney. Not one bumper sticker, not one yard sign.

I have seen other political signs and groups out. The LaRouche idiots hang out in Clarkston with the Impeach Obama signs and I've seen a few Ron Paul yard signs in Commerce. But there is nothing nor anyone anywhere endorsing Rmoney. Not in Farmington Hills, Birmingham, Bloomfield, West Bloomfield, White Lake, Auburn Hills, Waterford. Nor Walled Lake, Livonia, Royal Oak Troy, Southfield, Pontiac, Holly, Fenton or Flint.

What I have seen are Obama bumper stickers and yard signs. So either republicans are keeping quite or are not interested in this election.It also tells me that Obama is much further ahead in this State than the polls indicate.

I'm sure your political observations are much more sophisticated in regards to Michigan than mine are but I'm happy that I could give you a little chuckle.

liberal N proud

(60,332 posts)
9. With any of the polls that show Romney tied or in the lead, I ask the question
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:17 AM
Jun 2012

It is stupefying to think that as big an asshole as Romney has any support, but this much? Really?

Also, I think that the Democrats want the polls to remain relatively close so as not to lose any support, financially, volunteer or votes.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
20. the old people here confuse him with his father
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 08:14 PM
Jun 2012


I don't think he will win here. McCain's campaign pretty much fell apart once they realized they had wasted so much time and money here and were not going to win. We could be looking at a repeat.



WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
14. Yes, but he is going to be down from 2008.
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:28 AM
Jun 2012

Nearly every state will probably show some erostion from his '08 numbers. The election in all liklihood is going to look like 2004 rather than 2008--where an incumbent president wins a relatively close re-election.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
8. Well
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 08:54 AM
Jun 2012

These polls have different from recent ones.

This Is best showing by Romney In New Hampshire.

This gives Obama his laregest lead In a michigan poll In some time.Although those polls come from Republican leaning pollsters.

This Is best Obama In NC In some time.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
11. Well it's good to see an independent poll showing Obama leading in Michigan!
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 09:23 AM
Jun 2012

as for NH there was just a poll last week that showed Obama up by 8.

musicblind

(4,484 posts)
17. I've been saying Obama will win NC again. I live here and I feel like I understand the people here.
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 06:25 PM
Jun 2012

And the convention being held here is going to energize a LOT of the liberals in this state.

Rosanna Lopez

(308 posts)
19. No one knows how North Carolina will vote
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 08:06 PM
Jun 2012

That's the bottom line. The people predicting Romney will win don't know, and the people predicting Obama will win don't know.

The state is close and it go either way. Just like in 2008, we may not know until election night. It won't be a shock either way.

What's MOST significant though is that remember until 2008, this state wasn't even winnable for the Democrats for decades. The brilliance of Howard Dean's 50-state strategy and Obama's team in 2008 is paying dividends. Both Virginia and North Carolina are competitive again for a 2nd election in a row. 2 states the Republicans used to take for granted they now have to work hard in.

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