2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNBC News/Marist poll: Obama +2 in North Carolina, +4 in Michigan, and Tied in New Hampshire
NBC News/Marist
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/28/12453887-polls-obama-romney-neck-and-neck-in-michigan-north-carolina-new-hampshire?lite
New Hampshire: Obama 45, Romney 45 (Tie)
Michigan: Obama 47, Romney 43 (Obama +4)
North Carolina: Obama 46, Romney 44 (Obama +2)
liberal N proud
(60,332 posts)Rosanna Lopez
(308 posts)I don't think anything is wrong with New Hampshire at this point. Most polls have had Obama ahead there, and he is favored to win the state according to Nate Silver's site, but NH is still a swing state so Romney is going to put up good numbers sometimes.
I think the bigger question is what's wrong in Michigan? This state has been Democratic for the past 20 years, but Romney is getting very strong numbers in poll after poll. It no longer looks like an anomaly.
It seems like the Romney name is helping him afterall. I would have thought Michigan was too smart to fall for Romney's claim that it is his home state (and 'the trees are the right height') since he left there 40 years ago and never goes back except when he wants their votes, but it seems like he's doing well so far.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,392 posts)for Obama to start peeling off some "independent" support for Romney. The actual election season is still young and people are mostly reacting to the economy and their personal situations. Once people see (really see) who Romney is (or isn't), I believe that Obama will open up solid leads. He's doing quite well overall now.
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)a VP and his convention. Then Obama should also get a bump with his convention.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)So as to make it easier to steal for Rmoney.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)being a right wing corporate outlet I just don't trust this to be accurate..
So yes ..I agree,keep it close and its easier to steal.
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)actually these aren't bad numbers. This is the first poll to have Obama leading in Michigan in some time. To be up two-points in NC is pretty good (he won it by about one-point in 2008), and while NH is not great it's a swing state and the most conservative of the New England states.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)The richest, most republican county in Michigan. I drive all around Oakland County for the work I do. From Clarkston to Novi, From Milford to Shelby Township. And I can tell you, there is nothing for Rmoney. Not one bumper sticker, not one yard sign.
I have seen other political signs and groups out. The LaRouche idiots hang out in Clarkston with the Impeach Obama signs and I've seen a few Ron Paul yard signs in Commerce. But there is nothing nor anyone anywhere endorsing Rmoney. Not in Farmington Hills, Birmingham, Bloomfield, West Bloomfield, White Lake, Auburn Hills, Waterford. Nor Walled Lake, Livonia, Royal Oak Troy, Southfield, Pontiac, Holly, Fenton or Flint.
What I have seen are Obama bumper stickers and yard signs. So either republicans are keeping quite or are not interested in this election.It also tells me that Obama is much further ahead in this State than the polls indicate.
I'm sure your political observations are much more sophisticated in regards to Michigan than mine are but I'm happy that I could give you a little chuckle.
liberal N proud
(60,332 posts)It is stupefying to think that as big an asshole as Romney has any support, but this much? Really?
Also, I think that the Democrats want the polls to remain relatively close so as not to lose any support, financially, volunteer or votes.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)I don't think he will win here. McCain's campaign pretty much fell apart once they realized they had wasted so much time and money here and were not going to win. We could be looking at a repeat.
scheming daemons
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Rosanna Lopez
(308 posts)Didn't he win Michigan by 14 points last time?
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)Nearly every state will probably show some erostion from his '08 numbers. The election in all liklihood is going to look like 2004 rather than 2008--where an incumbent president wins a relatively close re-election.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)These polls have different from recent ones.
This Is best showing by Romney In New Hampshire.
This gives Obama his laregest lead In a michigan poll In some time.Although those polls come from Republican leaning pollsters.
This Is best Obama In NC In some time.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)as for NH there was just a poll last week that showed Obama up by 8.
musicblind
(4,484 posts)And the convention being held here is going to energize a LOT of the liberals in this state.
mnhtnbb
(31,374 posts)Rosanna Lopez
(308 posts)That's the bottom line. The people predicting Romney will win don't know, and the people predicting Obama will win don't know.
The state is close and it go either way. Just like in 2008, we may not know until election night. It won't be a shock either way.
What's MOST significant though is that remember until 2008, this state wasn't even winnable for the Democrats for decades. The brilliance of Howard Dean's 50-state strategy and Obama's team in 2008 is paying dividends. Both Virginia and North Carolina are competitive again for a 2nd election in a row. 2 states the Republicans used to take for granted they now have to work hard in.