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Mon Aug 3, 2015, 02:57 PM

Hillary and Bernie are both holding events in Portland this week.

If you happen to live in the Portland area I've included the details for both FYI.

Bernie Sanders

TIME: Sunday, August 9, 2015 6:00 PM - 8:00 PM PDT

LOCATION: Veterans Memorial Coliseum (Portland, OR)
300 N Winning Way
Portland, OR 97227

HOST: Bernie Sanders

RSVP: Click the link or visit https://go.berniesanders.com/page/event/detail/rally/4jgdq
The venue has a capacity of nearly 13,000 and the campaign is claiming 9,000 have already RSVP'd so hurry!

TOPICS OF DISCUSSION: Economic and social injustice, income equality and the corrosive influence of money in politics.

COST: Free. However, I'm sure donations will be welcome.


Hillary Clinton

TIME: Aug. 5th, 2015

LOCATION: The Dunthorpe home of Win McCormack and Carol Butler

GUEST: Hillary Clinton

RSVP: Hillary for America

TOPICS OF DISCUSSION: Things of vital interest to $2700 per place donors.

COST: $2700 per place.

Have fun. Be sure to let us know which one you attended.

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Reply Hillary and Bernie are both holding events in Portland this week. (Original post)
pa28 Aug 2015 OP
whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #1
antigop Aug 2015 #2
sadoldgirl Aug 2015 #3
onecaliberal Aug 2015 #33
orpupilofnature57 Aug 2015 #53
Name removed Aug 2015 #4
cascadiance Aug 2015 #5
cascadiance Aug 2015 #20
rhett o rick Aug 2015 #6
pa28 Aug 2015 #8
BainsBane Aug 2015 #7
pa28 Aug 2015 #10
cascadiance Aug 2015 #13
BainsBane Aug 2015 #27
pa28 Aug 2015 #29
LineLineLineLineReply .
Motown_Johnny Aug 2015 #32
Divernan Aug 2015 #40
kenfrequed Aug 2015 #11
brooklynite Aug 2015 #14
cascadiance Aug 2015 #17
arcane1 Aug 2015 #54
kenfrequed Aug 2015 #18
brooklynite Aug 2015 #25
kenfrequed Aug 2015 #26
artislife Aug 2015 #57
Scootaloo Aug 2015 #55
Fawke Em Aug 2015 #65
Rex Aug 2015 #16
BainsBane Aug 2015 #30
kenfrequed Aug 2015 #37
Divernan Aug 2015 #62
artislife Aug 2015 #47
Scootaloo Aug 2015 #52
Ken Burch Aug 2015 #67
Fearless Aug 2015 #9
brooklynite Aug 2015 #12
cascadiance Aug 2015 #19
brooklynite Aug 2015 #22
Name removed Aug 2015 #43
brooklynite Aug 2015 #45
Name removed Aug 2015 #48
pa28 Aug 2015 #21
Qutzupalotl Aug 2015 #23
NCTraveler Aug 2015 #38
Pastiche423 Aug 2015 #15
pa28 Aug 2015 #24
Buns_of_Fire Aug 2015 #28
Divernan Aug 2015 #36
Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #64
Divernan Aug 2015 #31
pa28 Aug 2015 #35
Divernan Aug 2015 #39
NCTraveler Aug 2015 #34
restorefreedom Aug 2015 #41
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artislife Aug 2015 #46
pa28 Aug 2015 #50
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artislife Aug 2015 #66
Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #69
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Response to pa28 (Original post)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 03:00 PM

1. Heheh...

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Response to pa28 (Original post)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 03:01 PM

2. I saw what you did there. :-) nt

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Response to pa28 (Original post)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 03:04 PM

3. Just a simple question to these events

If you are a family of four with an income of about
$50,-60,000, would you attend a political event
that is free or one that charges $2,700?

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Response to sadoldgirl (Reply #3)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:37 PM

33. The bigger question to me is why doesn't she meet

With regular people that are not prescreened by her campaign. That fee obviously makes certain no little people can attend. You know like the people in her announcement video.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #33)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 06:29 PM

53. Hollywood .

 

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Response to pa28 (Original post)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 03:13 PM

5. it's too bad that David Cobb is speaking for Move to Amend at the same time...

 

... that Bernie is speaking on Sunday right across the river then.

http://www.afd-pdx.org/alliance-for-democracy-sponsored-events.html

I think I and many of Bernie's followers would like to attend both of these events. Still would like to think that perhaps afterword we could get some folk like Thom Hartmann and Carl Wolfson might find a way to put together a rally after both events where both groups of people could join to rally about them then and keep the party going that night. I think Hartmann and Wolfson both care about Portland, Bernie, and the move to amend movement heavily. Maybe we could talk them in to it!

Edit:
Oh wow! Originally it was later in the evening. I'd sent them a note to move the time, and looking at the web link here now, it looks like they have! It's now at 2 PM!!! So you can do both!

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Response to cascadiance (Reply #5)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:05 PM

20. NOTE: Move to Amend just moved David Cobb's speech to 2 PM!!!

 

... and you can bet it was to accommodate the many people that want to attend both events of working for Bernie, and also working to overturn Citizen's United and corporate personhood, etc.

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Response to pa28 (Original post)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 03:25 PM

6. I can't wait until after this happens and we can compare crowd diversities. nm

 

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #6)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 03:33 PM

8. I've seen quite a bit of concern over Bernie's crowd diversity here on DU.

I wonder if they will be interested in guest list diversity for Hillary's function? I grew up in Portland and I have to say the demographics of the Dunthorpe neighborhood are HIGHLY consistent.

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Response to pa28 (Original post)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 03:32 PM

7. You can go to an arena of 13,000 and see a rock band too

And you'll have just as much chance of having a conversation with them as Bernie Sanders. I don't know why you all tout spectator politics as something to aspire to. What's the difference between that and watching him on You Tube? Exactly nothing. But it works in the age when people view politicians as celebrities rather than representatives, and that view is certainly demonstrated among his fan base. Politics as spectacle is bad enough, but that you herald it as something superior to conversations with voters--something people here have derided time and time again, even when it was not a fundraising event.

Make no mistake about it, the only reason Bernie is going to Portland is for fundraising. It is not an early voting state. When he goes to progressive cities like Portland and Minneapolis, he's going to encourage donations.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #7)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 03:40 PM

10. I'd like to have a conversation with Hillary. Sadly, I don't have an extra $2700 right now.

I'll have to settle for seeing Bernie.

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Response to pa28 (Reply #10)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 03:52 PM

13. Me too. Don't think I'll celebrate becoming unemployed this Friday spending $2.7k...

 

... for Hillary.

Bernie seems a better place to spend my time without much money as many Americans need to find events to spend their time too. And he speaks to our situations better too! Hoping I have time to see David Cobb speak earlier in the afternoon too about the need for overturning Citizen's United and the necessary Constitutional Amendments to do so that Move To Amend is working on. Both events a lot more worth our money (what little they will ask of it!)

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Response to pa28 (Reply #10)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:17 PM

27. She's been in Iowa and NH, other states as well

Listening to voters, and it didn't cost money. She in fact has made a point of meeting and LISTENING to voters to see what their concerns are, rather than simply talking at them.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #27)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:26 PM

29. Listening is probably her best strategy going forward.

Talking decreases the impression of Hillary's trustworthiness among polled voters Q.E.D.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #27)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:35 PM

32. .

 




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Response to BainsBane (Reply #27)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 05:05 PM

40. "Participants handpicked by HRC staff & fed topics dictated by HRC campaign".


CLINTON'S HANDICAP
In Iowa: “Mindful of her defeat by Barack Obama in 2008, Clinton has embraced a new strategy — one that so far does not include town-hall meetings and campaign rallies, media interviews, even public events. Instead, she holds small controlled events with a handful of potential voters in homes, businesses and schools. She repeats many of the same lines (‘I want to be your champion’ is a favorite), participants are handpicked by her staff or the event host, and topics are dictated by her campaign.”

It is the same story in New Hampshire, according to the Boston Globe: “Clinton’s campaign hasn’t held a single event open to the general public since it launched five weeks ago, and there are no plans for an open forum in New Hampshire Friday when she makes her second trip to the Granite State. This arm’s-length distance between voters and candidates might be how politics works elsewhere, but not in the first-in-the-nation-primary state. New Hampshire residents hold dear a tradition of meeting would-be presidents face to face.” Even her team’s news-less conference calls get blasted.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2015/05/22/clintons-handicap/

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #7)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 03:45 PM

11. Really? "Spectator politics?"

I really think you might want to go a different direction with that kind of messaging.

"Spectators" do not go to political rallies as a bit of weekend fun. Activists do.

And sure, Bernie is going to drive up donations of the 'Under $200' variety. That actually isn't really a bad thing at all.

I know these rallies are kind of hard on some of the Clinton supporters but it might be better to positively acknowledge them or completely ignore them. At least from a strategic point of view.

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Response to kenfrequed (Reply #11)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 03:54 PM

14. Why, in fact, bother to go?

You know what he'll say; you already agree with what he'll say; you won't be able to have a personal discussion with him; what's the point? Are you suggesting that "activists" can't get worked up to volunteer without seeing their candidate in person?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #14)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:01 PM

17. I think we'd all like to CELEBRATE that others with money are the only ones...

 

... that would be able to speak with him and command his attention when he's here.

It's like people complaining that a Homecoming parade you can't speak to anyone on the football team either before the big game. Well, would you rather they don't have such an event and only have something where the football team only gets to meet with big donors of money to the school before such a game? Is that a way to rally a crowd to come out and cheer and support the team then? And that's just a football game.

By us all attending his speech and giving him feedback, he then knows he's doing the right thing. And THAT is what these events are all about. Where a majority of average Americans can signal to a candidate that he/she is actually WORKING for ALL of them and that they appreciate it, not just being auctioned off to the highest bidder!

It's too bad that some here don't understand that.

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Response to cascadiance (Reply #17)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 06:29 PM

54. If Clinton were drawing those crowds, they would understand it 100%

 

Indeed, they fully understand it now, which is why there is this attempt to downplay it.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #14)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:02 PM

18. Hah...

Funny, why should someone ever go to a political event using that kind of logic?

People who are excited about a candidate enjoy the rush about getting fired up to volunteer to do more. Seriously, do you think asking this question is going magically make fewer people show up at Bernie events?

I think as Democrats ALL of our candidates events should be attended MORE than the republicans.

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Response to kenfrequed (Reply #18)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:11 PM

25. Well, I for one enjoy politics...

...and would go to an event for ANY Presidential candidate.

I would also go if I was undecided as to who to support.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #25)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:13 PM

26. Well...

Then why ask "why go?"

I don't understand your point in this case. This is sort of the kind of argument I tend to withdraw when I haven't thought things through all the way.

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Response to kenfrequed (Reply #26)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 06:59 PM

57. Heh

 

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #14)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 06:34 PM

55. All sniffy that the doors are open to the hoi polli, Brooklynite?

 

I'll bet it makes your monocle pop out.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #55)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 10:41 PM

65. Bahahahahaha!

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Response to kenfrequed (Reply #11)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:00 PM

16. Don't pay it any attention, it is just more concern trolling.

 

His buddy showed up to back him up and failed totally. "Why go?" Sounds like shitty words from a republican trying out a little voter supression.

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Response to kenfrequed (Reply #11)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:26 PM

30. "positively acknowledge them"

With the OP framed like that? Give me a fucking break.

And your assertion that all or the majority of attendees at rallies are activists is ludicrous. I've been to and worked at political rallies, and you're lucky if you can get a tiny, tiny percentage to turn up for GOTV activities let alone activism. How completely absurd. I suppose you think just going to a rally amounts to being an activist.

As for positive, I and sick to fucking death of seeing one smear thread after another and then get preached to about how I or others don't respond "positively"--read obsequiously. If this had simply been about a Sanders rally, I wouldn't have opened it let alone commented. But as usual, the abiding goal is to ensure one woman will never become president. You want positive responses, post positive OPs. Don't worry. I won't be holding my breath.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #30)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:41 PM

37. Wow.

Yeah, ignoring these rallies was actually also an option for you.

And for the vast, overwhelming majority of Sanders supporters on and off the net this is not about Hillary being a woman. It is about her economic positions, her military positions, her environmental positions, and her engagement in third-way/DLC politics. Pretending that this is sexism does a disservice to progressives supporting Sanders and women. Women are smart enough to pick out whatever candidate they like for whatever reason they like.

And I usually DO try to put up positive OP's if you really must know.

I just also think that the people funding a candidate are very important and speak much to who that candidate will listen to when the time comes. As Molly Ivins once analogized in her book"You gotta dance with Them what brung ya."

I am sorry if that hurts.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #30)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 10:00 PM

62. Noted: correlation between obscene language & your stress level

Last edited Mon Aug 3, 2015, 11:05 PM - Edit history (1)

That stress level you experience is not healthy. Concrete facts, such as numbers attending, venues, amounts charged to attend, etc., are just that - facts, not smears. If you were really comfortable with HRC's campaign style, you wouldn't get so upset, and you would be able to calmly, and without repeated use of the word "fucking" explain why you believe her campaign style is preferable to Bernie's. In fact, you would welcome the opportunity to do so.

You ask, further up thread, post 7, what the difference is between seeing Bernie "live" and seeing him on Youtube. Obviously, to many thousands of people, who go to his events with no expectation of actually talking with him, that difference is worth the effort for them to attend in person. Over the decades, I have gone to considerable effort to attend live performances/presentations/speeches of people who are politically/historically significant and/or whom I admire for their talents and accomplishments. I've been privileged to watch & hear, live & not recorded, Sam Rayburn, JFK, Bob Dole, Geraldine Ferarro, Bill Clinton, Walter Mondale, George W. Bush, Al Gore, Bob Casey, Tony Bennet, Luciano Pavorotti, Raul Julia, Bernadette Peters, Maggie Smith, Paul McCartney, James Galway, Liam Neeson, Yo-Yo Ma, Harry Belafonte, Barbra Streisand, Kenneth Branagh, Daniel Radcliffe, Juliette Moore, Bill Nighy, Antonio Banderas, Aidan Quinn, Brian Dennehy, David Strathairn, to name some.

I've seen photos of Mayan pyramids in central American jungles - and they in no way compared to the thrill of climbing several myself. I've seen videos of divers exploring sunken ships, but that is NOTHING compared to the thrill of wreck diving on the sunken WWII ships of Truk Lagoon. I've seen video of glaciers calving - but wow! the actual sound and sight of that phenomena at Tracy Arm Fjord, Alaska. I was on the island of Montserrat for a week while its volcano was erupting - more than just seeing or hearing a video of it, there was the feel of the fine grit of ash covering every surface, and the acrid smell of sulphur. And living in Cocoa, Florida in the '60's, I got to watch many rocket launches, both daylight and at night from my back yard - plus one overwhelming experience watching a Saturn launch from the VIP guest section at Cape Kennedy.
And see, here's the thing (as Adrian Monk would say), once you've had one of these live, real life experiences, for the rest of your life, when you see a photo or video, or hear the recorded voice or musical performance of any one of those examples, you flash back to the excitement, the electric thrill of your actual, in person experience.

When it comes to really huge political rallies, there is a gestalt, a whole which is far more than the sum of its parts. The passion and excitement of such an evening can carry over to the rest of the campaign and beyond, and participants will treasure that.

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Response to kenfrequed (Reply #11)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 05:42 PM

47. This is vaguely familiar

 

I remember another "Rock Star" who mesmerized the crowds...

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #7)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 06:28 PM

52. Can't afford the Clinton entrance fee, huh BainsBane?

 

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #7)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 11:12 PM

67. It's different when you're encouraging small donors

 

You can have a lot of small donors and fight for the people, but you can never fight for the people when you only let folks who can write big checks into your events.

No one who cares about the 99% will be at HRC's event...only people who want the big trade deals to go through with no questions asked.

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Response to pa28 (Original post)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 03:39 PM

9. If there was any doubts which....

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Response to pa28 (Original post)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 03:51 PM

12. And is your issue the price of the event, or the notion that Clinton would attend a fundraiser?

In any event, good to know that Clinton will have the financial resources to run against the Republicans after she's nominated (DAMN! -- I went all "inevitable" again).

Also, kinda nice she doesn't have to get her money from Wall Street, right?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #12)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:03 PM

19. Hmm.... I wonder how many people spending that kind of money work for Wall Street?

 

I would think they would be in that category! Far more than the rest of us!

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Response to cascadiance (Reply #19)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:09 PM

22. I don't...

...and I know a number of like-minded people who don't either.

Not every wealthy person is conservative; not every poor person is liberal.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #43)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 05:31 PM

45. Yes, the market HAS done well under President Obama...

...and as for "throwing it around", I think very carefully about who to give it to. People who will be responsible in Washington AND who can get elected. Ever hear of Elizabeth Warren?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #12)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:06 PM

21. Neither one.

The contrast struck me as interesting and worth pointing out.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #12)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:10 PM

23. She doesn't have to, she chooses to. eom

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #12)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:50 PM

38. This is a big positive for Hillary.

 

Don't take the bait. Supporters of this line of attack, often just taking the short sided view of reality, are already imploding with their comment. They simply hate you and they can't hide it. They don't want your support, they want you to confirm their erroneous bias and they really can't get anyone to take the bait the whole way. Leave this one alone, other than sliding them a little more rope.

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Response to pa28 (Original post)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 03:57 PM

15. I will be feeling the Bern

on Sunday!

For FREE!

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Response to Pastiche423 (Reply #15)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:11 PM

24. It'll be fun.

I'm looking forward to meeting some fellow Bernie fans, donating some money and finding some avenues to volunteer.

And of course seeing our guy bern the place down.

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Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:22 PM

28. Oh fudgies. That's the day Buffy and I are having the toilet paper monogrammed. nt

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Response to Buns_of_Fire (Reply #28)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:40 PM

36. As Old Money says about parvenues: "NOKD"

That stands for "Not Our Kind, Dear" uttered with a look of great disdain and raised eyebrows!

To the really wealthy, politicians are people you purchase. You may invite them to the once a year holiday open house, along with your accountants, stock brokers and the golf club pro, but keep them at a polite arm's length. And put away the silver and your daughters if they have occasion to come into your mansion.

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Response to Buns_of_Fire (Reply #28)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 10:34 PM

64. Oh, that's the absolute pits. I'm having my Topsiders re-strung that day.

 

I'm having my Topsiders re-strung that day. Skip and Kiki both have lacrosse tournaments, and Biff is off to his annual boy's golfing tournie in Carmel.

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Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:31 PM

31. HRC's host: "trust fund baby born w/ platinum spoon in mouth."

HRC slumming it in $1.7 Mil.home of Philips/Andover, Harvard grad.
Same old, same old - Hillary hangin' with her peeps, the very rich, the one percent. As F. Scott Fitzgerald accurately observed:
"Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me. They possess and enjoy early, and it does something to them. Unless you were born rich, it is very difficult to understand. They think, deep in their hearts, that they are better than we are because we had to discover the compensations and refuges of life for ourselves. Even when they enter deep into our world or sink below us, they still think that they are better than we are. They are different."
Now granted HRC & Bill weren't born very rich, but have we ever seen any political pair pursue the life style of the rich and famous with more dedication and determination than the Clintons?
Read more at http://quotationsbook.com/quote/34538/#pbK32mF9SFxqOOV8.99
Where
Home of Win McCormack and Carol Butler - 11878 SW Riverwood Road, Portland
http://politicalpartytime.org/party/39929/

Meet HRC's host: Win McCormack
McCormack is the author of: You Don't Know Me: A Citizen's Guide to Republican Family Values. Therein he documented, among other shortcomings, 22 examples of adultery by Republican politicians and activists. He described these acts as "overwhelming deviance from professed moral standards". Ironic that Win trashes Republican sex offenders, when McCormack served as Chair of the Oregon Steering Committee for Gary Hart's 1984 presidential campaign.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/win-mccormack/introduction-to-emyou-don_b_117106.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Win_McCormack

I googled to see if Bill Clinton had reviewed or recommended this book, but apparently he hasn't. Hope Win has the good taste to put his extra copies of the book out of sight before HRC arrives.

And if anyone should have good taste and good manners it should be Win, who was born to great wealth and prepped at Phillips Academy Andover and got his BA at Harvard. Are y'all familiar w/ Phillips Exeter? Founded during the American Revolutionary War. Perhaps you've seen references to it. The school is often mentioned in books and movies and television shows such as the following:


In Chapter 17 of The Catcher in the Rye, Sally Hayes introduces Holden to a boy who attended Andover. "You'd have thought they'd taken baths in the same bathtub or something when they were little kids. Old buddyroos. It was nauseating. The funny part was, they probably met each other just once, at some phony party. Finally, when they were all done slobbering around, old Sally introduced us. His name was George something—I don't even remember—and he went to Andover. Big, big deal."
In the John Guare play Six Degrees of Separation, one of the characters laments that his parents could not afford to send him to Andover or Exeter.
F. Scott Fitzgerald's This Side of Paradise has several characters who attended Andover.
In Scent of a Woman, Charles Simms tries to start an argument with the irascible Lieutenant Colonel Frank Slade by saying that "... I believe President Bush went to Andover."
In A Beautiful Mind, John Nash's imaginary Princeton roommate characterizes him as a "poor kid that never got to go to Exeter or Andover".



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillips_Academy

An Amazon review: McCormack as hypocrite
By Kip Dellinger "Kip"on August 25, 2008
Format: Paperback
As the publisher's review says, McCormack's complaint taken realistically seems to be of a problem endemic to American society rather than Republicans or their politicians. In fact, it's almost laughable when one thinks about FDR, JFK, Bill Clinton, John Edwards, Gary Hart and on and on.

But, readers, do not fear for Win McCormack. He is an heir (a principal one) to the McCormack family wealth - the McCormack brothers that founded Illinois Tool Co. (used to be Illinois Tool & Die Works) and Northern Trust (one of America's oldest and most pretigious "big" banks).

Like too many trust fund babies born with the silver spoon (in this case Platinum) in their mouths, and taken care of for their entire lives by trust distributions, McCormack believes that he is entitled to tell the rest of the world how to live. A bit of digging around into who he is and what he came from, will reveal enough hypocrisy on his part to discredit his Republicans as the country's only bad guys.

http://www.amazon.com/You-Dont-Know-Me-Republican/product-reviews/0979419867/ref=dp_db_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

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Response to Divernan (Reply #31)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:40 PM

35. He also donated 50k to John Kitzhaber. The one who had to resign over corruption allegations.

McCormack gives Kitzhaber 50K (Willamette Week)

Cost of doing business I guess.

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Response to pa28 (Reply #35)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:58 PM

39. Kitzhaber's problems included deleting 1000s of emails.Sound familiar?

Golly, if Kitzhaber is one of the paying "guests", he & HRC can discuss the fine points of deleting personal emails from government servers!

Oregon Gov. John Kitzhaber resigned Friday amid the growing influence-peddling scandal involving him and his fiancée, Cylvia Hayes, becoming the state's first governor to resign in disgrace.

In a letter to Secretary of State Kate Brown, Kitzhaber wrote that his resignation will take effect at 10 a.m. on Wednesday, Feb. 18. Kitzhaber, a Democrat and Oregon's 36th governor, made his decision facing a state criminal investigation and a string of demands from top state officials to step down.

Kitzhaber's historic fourth term lasted just one month and one day, starting under a cloud of allegations that he and Hayes had abused his office, possibly committing crimes and ethics violations. The scandal only grew with revelations that Hayes was taking money as a private consultant and pushing the same policies in her public role as first lady.

As the controversy escalated, the governor was slow to release government records and reluctant to answer questions about Hayes' role in his office.

http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/02/gov_john_kitzhaber_resigns_ami.html#incart_maj-story-1

Gov. John Kitzhaber's Office Sought To Destroy Thousands of His Emails
Records show state bureaucrats refused to carry out the request


Gov. John Kitzhaber’s office last week requested state officials destroy thousands of records in the governor’s personal email accounts, according to records obtained by WW and 101.9 KINK/FM News 101 KXL.

The request came as investigations into allegations of influence-peddling involving Kitzhaber and first lady Cylvia Hayes were intensifying. Records show the request to destroy Kitzhaber’s emails came from Jan Murdock, Kitzhaber’s executive assistant. She wanted all emails from Kitzhaber’s personal email accounts removed from state servers.

The request from Murdock was described in a Feb. 5 email. “Governor’s office wants anything that is in the email account [Kitzhaber’s account] removed from archive,” wrote Tracy Osburn, a field technician in the DAS Technology Support Center, wrote in the email obtained by WW and 101.9 KINK/FM News 101 KXL.

Personal emails of public officials can be subject to the state’s open records laws if they are used to discuss public business. Earlier documents previously released by the governor’s office show Kitzhaber used both his personal and state email accounts to communicate with his aides and discuss state business.

http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-32827-gov_john_kitzhabers_office_sought_to_destroy_thousands_of_his_emails.html

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Response to pa28 (Original post)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:40 PM

34. To those who go...

 

Have a blast.

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Response to pa28 (Original post)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 05:13 PM

41. this dichotomy

is exactly why bernie is getting the momentum he is and why people associate hillary with big money wall street. is she so far ensconsed in the 1% that she can't see that? i mean that as a sincere question, not trolling.

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Response to restorefreedom (Reply #41)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 05:30 PM

44. It's really just traditional party fundraising. Nothing new.

The contrasting events point out that Hillary is having a problem connecting with the liberal base of the party. She's noticed, the question is what is she going to do about it?

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Response to pa28 (Reply #44)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 07:53 PM

61. i don't know if she can do anything

she seems to know how to connect with other rich folk, not sure if she connects to the rest of us anymore.

even the term she uses, "everyday Americans" like we are some other species. just more evidence of the disconnect.

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Response to restorefreedom (Reply #61)

Tue Aug 4, 2015, 02:36 AM

68. I'm not sure if she ever knew how to connect with the rest of us

Certainly she seemed very uncomfortable around us local yokels when she and Bill came back to Arkansas for some R&R in August 1993. I'll give Bill credit-- when Air Force One landed at the Springdale, Arkansas airport, the first thing he did was come right over to where about 60 to 70 of us locals were waiting outside of the tiny terminal, and started shaking hands and engaging in small talk. Hillary, on the other hand, was in no mood for mingling with us, despite her having spent 12 of the previous 14 years being the state's First Lady.

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Response to pa28 (Original post)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 05:17 PM

42. I'm sorry I'll miss Bernie.

I'm heading in to Portland for a couple of days tomorrow, and can't afford to go back so soon.

I never could have afforded to see HRC at those rates, but that's okay. I've heard her before, and have never wanted to do so in person.

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Response to pa28 (Original post)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 05:39 PM

46. I got this post from Seattle for Bernie about Portland

 

OK, good people! We're at 8,000 or so RSVP's to Portland's 10,000!! This is not possible! Also, I have inside information that the venue will probably change...




You don't understand how this will effect the feud between the two cities. I already threw down the guantlet in the Portland thread in BSG..

We will probably arm wrestle and have a few micro brews to get back to the peace loving ways.

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Response to artislife (Reply #46)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 06:23 PM

50. This is one time I'd be happy with Portland losing out.

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Response to artislife (Reply #46)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 10:31 PM

63. I don't think there is much of a "feud," in reality.

 

I live in Portland and I LOVE me some Seattle. Everybody I know here loves Seattle. Portland isn't big enough to be Seattle's equal in terms of a feud.

But this Bernie rally is going to be huge! Or, as we said in the old days on DU ... HUGH!!1!!1! I'm SERIES!1!!11!!

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #63)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 10:52 PM

66. It is more good natured joshing

 

Going down to Portland on the 22nd.

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #63)

Tue Aug 4, 2015, 02:41 AM

69. Now that the Sonics are the Thunder we can be freinds.

Cheers!

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Response to Juicy_Bellows (Reply #69)

Tue Aug 4, 2015, 12:10 PM

72. I think that's basketball (?)

 



As you can see, professional sports don't play a large role in my life.

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Response to pa28 (Original post)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 06:15 PM

49. Muffy & I play tennis with Win & Carol at the club

 

don't you know .....ta. ta .......

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Response to olddots (Reply #49)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 06:53 PM

56. Win and Carol from Dunthorpe.

Can't make it up.

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Response to pa28 (Original post)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 06:28 PM

51. Too bad the DNC doesn't use the oppurtunity for a Debate, I wonder if they'd Both be for that ?

 

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Response to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #51)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 07:22 PM

58. Have you signed any of the petitions

to get more then 6 debates ?

I have signed several.

Bernie is in favor of more debates.

There is a petition on his website.

Bernie is in favor of debating the Republicans.

The Democratic Party and Debbie Wasserman Schultz are the problems.

Hope that answers your question.

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Response to SamKnause (Reply #58)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 07:30 PM

59. If you've read my posts, it was rhetorical, but YES YES YES I have and do and will, I'm a Volunteer

 

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Response to orpupilofnature57 (Reply #59)

Mon Aug 3, 2015, 07:33 PM

60. I wasn't aware.

THANK YOU for volunteering !!!!

Have a great evening.

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Response to pa28 (Original post)

Tue Aug 4, 2015, 08:07 AM

70. It takes money to win elections.

The Republican nominee will have plenty of money to promote himself and attack the Democratic nominee.

Do wen want a candidate who is serious about winning, or one who just like to give speeches?

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Response to pa28 (Original post)

Tue Aug 4, 2015, 08:37 AM

71. He obviously can't get too far away from her coattails since

he's been riding them, so of course he'll be in Portland when she's there.

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