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This gathering doesn't fit in with some of the precanned snark-fests that were ready-to-go on the interwebs, today, but there was a strong Bernie gathering in "conservative" San Diego last night:<snip>
Before the event started, Reporting San Diego was able to talk with Ramon Espinal, who sits on the executive table of the San Diego Education Association, which has 3.5 million members nationwide.
He told us that he went to the national meeting two weeks ago, when he attended the National Education Meeting in Orland, Florida, and his Union has yet to take a decision on who they will endorse. During the meeting, they were shown interviews with Hillary Rodham Clinton, Martin O’Malley and Sanders. The National President of the Union did these.
“Our Union has not taken a position”
He personally has followed the path of Senator Sanders, starting when he was the mayor of Burlington, Vermont. He does like his social, economic and philosophical positions.
We also talked with Sarah Saenz, Program Director for United Taxi Workers of San Diego. She told Reporting San Diego. She said that she is attracted to Sanders because “he has been consistent his whole entire career.” She added, “He fights for economic justice, works for low income communities, and working families.”
“I appreciate that consistency and that he wants to take that to the presidency.”
We talked a tad about labor, and where labor is. In her view, “Labor should endorse Bernie. Hillary has not come up against the TPP (transpacific Partnership Treaty.)” She also pointed out that she was in the front lines and she risked arrest at Congressman Scott Peters (D-52) office, who ended up voting yes.
In her mind the fact that Clinton does not have a position is problematic, since is a critical issue for organized labor. Saenz added that “Bernie is for restrictions on Wall-street.
While the American Federation of Teachers has endorsed Clinton, Saenz pointed out that many in the rank and file are very upset. She believes that the rank and file in most unions will end up supporting Sanders.
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http://reportingsandiego.com/2015/07/30/at-least-500-san-diegans-show-up-for-bernie-event/
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George II
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BainsBane
(53,016 posts)The OP made up the title because there are a couple of people who look to be Hispanic and Asian sitting in the front row? 
Oh, wait. I see they have close ups of three people of color in the article. That explains everything.
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)Something that is not there?
villager
(26,001 posts)But you know, you have a hectic snark schedule to maintain.
BainsBane
(53,016 posts)This is the ONE response I got: "multiple Smartphone screens."
villager
(26,001 posts)But I understand that scoring points, snarking, not listening, quibbling, etc., all take precedence over respectful political discussion.
George II
(67,782 posts)villager
(26,001 posts)n/t
George II
(67,782 posts)....why did you feel the need to alter it to read something that isn't even addressed in the article at all?
villager
(26,001 posts)Slow down on that busy snark schedule, stop and read the links sometime, etc.
BainsBane
(53,016 posts)are features of three people of color, and you decided to invent a headline to give the appearance of diversity. There is no discussion of multiculturalism or racial diversity at all in the article. There is a discussion of some of Sanders positions and a few supporters comments on them.
You invited the snark with your preposterous title. It was absurd even before I realized you had made up the title. That the blog entry is written by a Sanders supporter yet you still had to "embellish" it to fit your contrived narrative makes it all the worse.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Why are you claiming the op is lying?
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)These oligarchy lovers are desperate to hang the racist tag on Bernie. They'll be seeing confederate flags at his rallies next.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)when it's not only obvious in the photos but mentioned in the article, who knows what else they're capable of.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)Taking a page from the Republican playbook: You say a lie enough times and it becomes the truth. Only, we are Democrats so it doesn't work as well as it does on gullible Republicans.
These false narratives reflect the frustration of the Hillary supporters. While they have the right to support their candidate, they are doing a disservice to their candidate by fostering their false narrative. It is an act of desperation.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)It started in May and has gotten progressively worse.
You're right, just like the Republicans they're hoping if they tell a lie enough times it'll become true.
I wonder why they're not posting positive threads about their candidate? There are dozens and dozens of articles promoting Bernie.
Maybe this is all they've got.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)...has been overwhelmingly positive? Freaking hell, give me a break.
It's politics and Hillary has been experiencing swift boating long before Bernie even announced his candidacy...and it done nothing but escalated here on DU since his announcement. That Bernie supporters are getting a dose of their own medicine and are so freaked out about it, is pretty funny.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Race baiting, threads linking Bernie to racist cops and slavery and right wing militias, claiming he has rape fantasies, thinks orgasms cure cancer, is a shill for the NRA, has dual citizenship, doesn't support immigrants, women, lgbt people and other minorities, linking to rw websites and posting articles from banned disruptors, etc - that is swift boating.
Either you don't know the difference or you don't give a shit.
Give me a fucking break indeed.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Give me a fucking break
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You're so stoked up over my imaginary crimes you're not even making sense.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)To pretend that comments made by Bernie supporters were not over the top and very very hateful is simply not honest
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You're the one bringing up Bernie supporters in a thread showing the ugliness coming from your side.
And I haven't posted anything about another candidate or their supporters that would make me too ashamed to remain here after the primaries.
The Hillary supporters who posted those things about Bernie Sanders will be trying to live it down for years.
My conscience is clear.
madokie
(51,076 posts)They don't have anything to build up Hillary with so they're trying to tear down Bernie. This shit didn't work the last time and it certainly won't work this time. I'll state right off I'll vote for Hillary if she is our nominee but I don't think she will be. In the primary I'll be voting for Bernie Sanders as I like what he's saying and what his record says he'll do. Thats what elections are for to try to win by being a better candidate and not by tearing your opponent down. build your candidate up if you want them to win is my advice to everyone.
Bernie Sanders has a pretty good record to stand on and to me that is what I'm basing my vote on.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)If I would have made an ass out of myself like some of her supporters did last night I would delete my account.
Not kick this thread over and over so that everyone can see the desperation and dishonesty.
Autumn
(44,984 posts)That he did that doesn't quite fit what some want to hear.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Why else would they keep ignoring what Bernie said?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Notice that there isn't a claim that the meeting wasn't "multi-cultural" just that the OP was lying about the article (which isn't true).
The meme that Sen Sanders only appeals to one culture is important as it is the only thing those against him have. Nothing substantial. Therefore, it is critical to attack all claims that Sen Sanders appeals to "multi-cultures".
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)They're so busy trying to prove poc don't support Sanders they either don't realize that they're racial profiling or they don't care.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)If Hillary was such a great candidate they would be posting about her positive attributes.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)But at this point...
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)where the victim invites the bad treatment?
I think snark is used when one doesn't have a decent response.
Seems so very important to keep the meme alive that Sen Sanders doesn't appeal to multi-cultural crowds. It's the only issue they have.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Ignore the naysayers, there are way too many people joining Bernie's campaign to waste any time doing anything other than being thrilled at what is happening.
Here where I live in upstate NY it is AMAZING how many groups are forming in support of Bernie.
I thought there would be nothing like this here, it's not exactly a very 'left' area of the country and very rural.
But because of this event I went to the map and found DOZENS of groups and am now going to be working with them to get him elected.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)I agree with you there is nothing in the article about the meeting having anything to do with "multiculturism" and so I have to also agree that the fresh new headline of the OP, distinct from the headline in the linked article, is misleading.
Maybe there is just a simple confusion about the meaning of the word and it's derivatives in America, where the concept is foreign. My spell check would not even let me write it!
mul·ti·cul·tur·al
adjective
adjective: multi-cultural
of, relating to, or constituting several cultural or ethnic groups within a society.
"multicultural education"
""Multiculturalism" is the co-existence of diverse cultures, where culture includes racial, religious, or cultural groups and is manifested in customary behaviours, cultural assumptions and values, patterns of thinking, and communicative styles."
How many cultures were represented at the meeting? 3?
Because I am not the only one hanging around here that can read.
Having said all that, anyone implying Bernie is a racist is an ashhat and an idiot, because I do not make enemies out of the good folks over imperfections.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)ugh, people are getting really, really ugly.
By the way, the article did point to the DIVERSITY in the crowd. Though that was not the MAIN POINT. I think I should know, I wrote it. The main point was the SIZE of the crowd in a supposedly conservative, military town, backwater
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)The crowd may have been diverse, but it was not a "multicultural event", unless the speech was mostly about that, I do not know.
And being "old or young" is not multicultural as some have implied, that is a form of diversity.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)nice try
And you know that this is not LBN, so even nicer try.
here is the ACtuAL ARTiCLE HEADLINE
And I will give you the link (which is in the OP
http://reportingsandiego.com/2015/07/30/at-least-500-san-diegans-show-up-for-bernie-event/
This race baiting is getting old.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)OP headline not being the article linked headline, and the inserted words "multi-cultural event".
It was not a multicultural event.
"At Least 500 San Diegans Show Up for Bernie Event"
"500+ at multicultural Bernie Event"
The original headline does indeed very much embellish something that did not exist at the Bernie event.
This is a multicultural event:
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)keep digging, and do go up and read the original OP.
Here,
You will need this
Oh and I do not expect you to apologize either.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Put away the heavy machinery and respond to my analysis, if you can.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)but I am really getting tired of the racist memes...
Which is what some of you are doing. Let me repeat myself. I am not thinking of HRC Clinton when anybody does this. I know partisans can be ... abrasive. This is reflecting on all of you guys. Each and every one of you who is using a variation of the meme...
I am just telling you, the event was VERY diverse. To some, the OP obviously, it might be multicultural, and given how many different cultures were present, YES, it could be an accurate descriptor. I prefer diverse.
And to think that people keep telling me only republicans can be racist. Evidence all over here tells me otherwise. I know, I know, it is structural. Thank you for proving just how much farther we still need to go as a nation.
That moment of clarity is amazing.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)diverse was the event in terms of ethnic minorities?
"Some of you are doing......".....I agree on that, way too many. On both sides when we are all on the same side!
Not me! I assure you of that.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)but if you must know, there were more AA than the County average. Which is low.
And Hispanic, given if you saw me in the street, you would never, ever think I am one... see you keep doing that.
It is amazing how people can be this not self aware.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)you mean by "going back to the 60's".
Personally speaking and unrelated to anything else, and I wish I could.
P.s. Have to go, thanks for the conversation, sincerely.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 31, 2015, 06:34 PM - Edit history (1)
were listed in news reporting OFTEN.
We left that standard. It appears to me you want to go back there.
Oh and I wrote this...
See, I covered all, in a very simple word. So next time I should count the number of people, and give you a precise racial breakdown? This is what you are asking. And I am calling you on it. STOP. You are not helping anybody, and you are leaving a very bad taste in my mouth.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)Scroll down and read the last paragraph. The word multicultural isnt used but the meaning is clear. That's crazy that some people freak out. It was clearly multicultural. Thanks for posting!
villager
(26,001 posts)Their approach to primary politics is indistinguishable from how "discussion" functions in the Gungeon.
But -- thanks! 
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)Cheers!
villager
(26,001 posts)n/t
BainsBane
(53,016 posts)Of course it is. Multiculturalism is not discussed. Racial diversity is not discussed. They show pictures of three people of color. That is not discussing the issue, and from the larger photo we are able to see the composition of the audience. Next time trying sending the journalist the approved headline in advance.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)It's revolting that you would make up something like that.
We all know who is being dishonest here, the quote from the article proves it's not the op.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)This is stupid, BMUS, this OP is clearly imaginary.
This is a very white audience.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)BB claimed that racial diversity wasn't mentioned, clearly it was.
But good to know that everyone who disagrees with her (including the author) is imagining things:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=483142
Speaking of stupid, are you still claiming that accusing Senator Sanders and other Jewish Americans of dual citizenship isn't anti-semitic, kwassa?:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6814421
And that everyone who says otherwise is ignorant?:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=477707
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)now we have two spreading that antisemitic slur... lovely!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Once they stop getting traction with the 'poc and women don't like Bernie' memes they'll recycle the dual citizenship one.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)We are having a problem of racism at work here. I need to stop being polite.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)HC supporters are telling poc to their face that they don't count.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Yep, that is where DU is.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)beyond belief.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)The rest don't count.
They really showed what it's all about in this thread.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)people during the Ferguson protests. I remember we had a great poster here who was keeping DU informed on what was happening. He eventually left stating that he was disturbed by the lack of interest here in Ferguson. Some of us asked him to stay, but he was serious about DOING SOMETHING about the egregious murders of AAs by cops and just didn't want to waste any more time here he said.
A few other people tried, posting OPs etc, but they sank like rocks. For those of us who have long been aware of this horrible issue, we also went elsewhere to discuss it and try to actually help those in Ferguson where finally people had had enough.
So it was with great shock and surprise that I saw the sudden interest, though NOT when Hillary made her insensitive remark which shocked me frankly because it showed she wasn't even aware there WAS a movement, not until it could be USED cynically against the candidate with the best record on Civil Rights of ANYONE in this campaign.
To me, and to all those people who have been struggling for justice for so long, it is despicable to try to use this most serious problem for political purposes.
Since I have followed it for so long, I could have posted OPs showing the anger of AAs at Hillary, but did not do so because I could even think of stooping that low, to use such tragedy and injustice like that.
And then forget about it AFTER the election.
Let's face it, politicians are not going to do a thing for AAs, they've had decades and things are only getting worse.
Every attempt the few Dems in Congress ever made, including Bernie to TRY were NOT backed up by their party.
So yes, I watch the newfound 'interest' and then go look at the OPs on Ferguson where the final straw was broken, and I don't see any of those names there.
Social Media is where to go to try to help end these crimes against AAs.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I stopped discussing it on DU, I was sickened by the opportunists here.
To some it's just a slogan they can use to bash candidates.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)talking about it here, or responding to the obvious political talking points. Just go where you can do something, it is not a political issue, it is a LONGTIME SOCIETAL issue and will only be solved by people who are determined and focused and not just when there is an election.
Gays did it themselves, our politicians talked a lot then too, during elections, but not much was done 'because it isn't the time' or 'we have to wait' or whatever.
So activists took it upon themselves, they went to court and sued and won and didn't stop until finally politicians had no choice. But they did not do it.
Same thing is going to have to happen with the murders of AA. They will have to take their case all the way to the SC under the Civil Rights laws, to force a restructuring of our police departments.
The Civil Liberties WON Marriage Equality, NOT politicians, who actually worked against it. But politicians took the credit I noticed.
Sometimes I think being involved in politics is a waste of time. Maybe volunteering for the Civil Liberties Union and other Civil Rights Orgs is a better way to spend the time. At least they SUCCEED because they never stop trying, and not just at election time.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I've been told that Hillary's a better choice for women and minorities simply because she's a woman. They dismiss Bernie's record and absolutely refuse to discuss hers because she suddenly "evolved" in 2013.
Lgbt people were right to take their fight to the courts, that made all the difference. They know that homophobia will always exist but making all forms of lgbt discrimination illegal is not only possible, it will happen for them too.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)60 others joining him, shameful really.
Bernie has supported Gay Rights his entire life. But he is a unique person, someone who is very evolved as a human being as can be seen by his record.
He is rare, which is why I say that anyone who CARES about these issues, cannot look to politicians, who put their fingers in the wind to see which way to go. They HAVE to take action themselves together with those great organizations, after which they can DRAG Congress to the table, which is really what happened with DADT and with Marriage Equality.
Iow, from my observations, Politicians are the END GAME for those who are denied their Civil Rights. They will not do it. The legal system is the way to go and then have the politicians sign off on it.
We do have a Constitution, which most of our Politicians don't seem to be familiar with but the courts must go by the law of the land.
AAs have a right to live without fear of the 'civilian police' in this country. Why has the government NOT stepped in to protect them? It's been DECADES. What did the DOJ do after writing their report?
Seems to me our government is non-functional when it comes to these issues.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Overall this was a very diverse crowd that included old and young, as well as minorities and whites alike. They will continue to work on this grassroots campaign.
Do you also want the actual racial makeup? I did not realize media was still required to use the standards of the 1960s when precise descriptors of racial compositions of crowds were used. When exactly did we move back?
by the way, if I took a photo of myself, and sent it to you, I am betting you will say I am white. Well, I am melanin challenged, but I am Latina (by American standards), and Jewish, and immigrant. That was a diverse crowd... sorry to bust that bubble and the word running though my head right now is not precisely nice.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)
Aerows
(39,961 posts)All "headlines" are invented.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)
artislife
(9,497 posts)Autumn
(44,984 posts)but that's not required in the other forums. As we know anyone who has hosted and just about anyone who has posted news articles knows that. It's an invented outrage.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)what was expected. Some from unions and other organizations who will be working for the campaign.
Same thing here where I live, where I didn't think there would be one group for Bernie, I have discovered due to this event, DOZENS of them.
Very exciting, shows how much people really want to hear someone who is honest, who has a record that shows this isn't just Campaign Rhetoric, that is what almost everyone who hears him is saying.
So refreshing. Great article, great photos.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)they were upwards of 2,000 people meeting at the same time. One was cancelled due to a family emergency. A few were in the East County, which is rather conservative. (Like for real.)
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Thank you for the information, that is a huge number at this early stage. The next event will most likely be even larger.
artislife
(9,497 posts)villager
(26,001 posts)Alas.
Some way to "win," eh?
artislife
(9,497 posts)Or maybe there is a foreboding feeling that they may not.
There is just so much time for everything to slip away.
Again
villager
(26,001 posts)Jeez, with "support" like that, what campaign needs saboteurs?
BainsBane
(53,016 posts)Like some light-hearted ribbing is the equivalent of military assault? That's a bit strong, in't it?.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)to continue digging your heels in this.
Please, proceed.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Article:
Something sure smells strong around here.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Here is a multicultural event:
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)It was a diverse crowd,
I did not say this was a multicultural event, But given we had members of the Kumeyaii tribe, the somali community, the Chaldeans... and few Pacific Islanders, and I am sure a Jew or two, just to mention a few... San Diego is an extremely diverse community.
Are you going to now triple down?
Do I really need to go back to standards and descriptors that I thought as a country we got beyond? You know how many blacks were present, how many whites, how many Jews, how many Somali Americans? Really Fred... do you want to go back to that era. And by the way, there is a word running though my mind... it does start with the letter R.
It is not reflecting on the Clinton campaign, it is reflecting on you. I would stop digging if I were you.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Digging, and labelling, I might add.
Oh, and deflecting from my very logical pointing out of the problem with the OP being accepted as gospel.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)But apparently dishonesty and the need to defend it is strong among HC supporters.
BB made this claim:
And was proven wrong because it says RIGHT HERE IN THE FUCKING ARTICLE:
Now are you going to keep posting pretty pics that have nothing to do with the fact that the op and nadin were called liars or are you going to admit your pals were wrong?
And why do HC supporters spend so much time and effort trying to prove that poc don't support Bernie?
You don't care about racial diversity, you only care about swift boating Bernie because you're incapable of promoting HC any other way.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Or rather your lack of it.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and the racism just oozes, if your ear is trained to the coded language.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)made it so obvious it is not going back into the tube.
It is what it is
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)It is a flood not an ooze
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)High horses they forgot we can see them when they pull off their masks
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and they are not helping their cause either. There are folks who do associate them with the campaign. I don't... but some folks do. And they are making that campaign radioactive.
artislife
(9,497 posts) BainsBane
(53,016 posts)It's a great movie. If you haven't seen it, be sure to check it out.
artislife
(9,497 posts)emsimon33
(3,128 posts)The Hillary supporters are being driven to distraction. They are looking for hope where there is none.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)For those of you that can't see the picture it's also mentioned in the article:
I know Hillary fans are really attached to the meme that only white people support Bernie but y'all are going to have to let that one go.
#Not Good Enough Bernie Derp went down in flames.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)The BS negative meme is strong in some here.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)The fact that they fell all over themselves calling the op and nadin liars proves that they don't care about racial diversity.
This was another attempt to swift boat Bernie and his supporters.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Sad to say but I think you are right: I think there is an attempted swiftboating in progress. That's the only explanation for ignoring the facts and hammering a negative meme when it clearly isn't applicable thanks to nadin's attention to detail.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And as if it wasn't despicable enough for HC fans to challenge every report of poc showing up at events on DU, now they're actually accusing a DUer who was there of lying about it.
This is what HC supporters are saying to poc on DU: You only "matter" when you support our candidate
Aerows
(39,961 posts)smell of horse shit around here, and you, me, and the decent folks aren't the ones making hay out of it.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)that their candidate can't create such enthusiasm.
I know I would be up enthusiasm's shit creek without a paddle if I was told "You will find out when I become President."
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)and Nadin did a great job reporting on this. And she says, there were a total of about 2000 supporters in the county, this was one event.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)... with campaign coverage. I continue to be amazed at the turnout everywhere he goes.
karynnj
(59,498 posts)As soon as Bernie had a big kickoff event in Burlington.
It should have been easy enough just to have said that he was a hometown kid in a town or just allowed him to have that day. No one attacked Dean when he had his Church Street Burlington event in 2004.
This time, whether intentional or not, they insulted not just Bernie, but Vermont. Here, I think the rest of the country might want to consider that in 1988, very white Chittenden County, where Burlington is, chose to become a refugee resettlement center. This very white communities welcomed African and Asian refugees and is helping them build new lives.
Just as Bernie has a real record of having personally been in the civil rights movement, Bernie ' s town has much to be proud of -- even as it is not perfect.
This is a decisive meme that does two things. The first is to credit Clinton as having a fantastic record on this, the second is to ignore everything Bernie did in his life and state that he has a problem here.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:21 PM - Edit history (1)
It's just astounding that her campaign would "go there" again.
This piece was posted today concerning Hillary's "white liberal problem" - an interesting twist on the negative and false memes here campaign is dishing up on Bernie.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/hillary-clinton-has-a-white-liberal-problem-that-will-help-bernie-sanders_b_7910526.html
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I am proud of my home state, Vermonters and Bernie Sanders.
The only ones who should be ashamed are the ones who pushed this meme and use poc as human shields.
karynnj
(59,498 posts)As a recent transplant - flat lander - I was really surprised at how many people I know in Vt were stunned and angry at this as an attack. Neither NJ or IN had anything like the intense love that people here have for VT.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)The swift boating is easier to take when it comes from Republicans.
But we're not supposed to take it personally when our "allies" do the same thing?
Right.
still_one
(92,061 posts)"Overall this was a very diverse crowd that included old and young, as well as minorities and whites alike. They will continue to work on this grassroots campaign."
BooScout
(10,406 posts)Splain to me where there are folks of different ethnic groups in that picture. Y'all are just making shit up as you go along now. 
villager
(26,001 posts)You do your side its usual credit!
BooScout
(10,406 posts)....and trotted out an article interviewing a couple of token minority supporters. This is not rocket science.
villager
(26,001 posts)...with a large Hispanic population, all from a picture, and with more accuracy than anyone who was actually there!
No piece of Kryptonite will slow down the all-lovin' BooScout!
There are diverse ways to define diversity, though perhaps that got cut off in the talking point fax?
BooScout
(10,406 posts)*snort*....I gotta remember that one. Let me write that down!
villager
(26,001 posts)Can you get a little more devoid of meaningful content in your posts, and even farther from actual conversation though, if you try a bit harder?
artislife
(9,497 posts)There are also more types of brown like Arabs, Sihks, Latinos, Natives, Pacific Islanders, Asians,and South Asians for example. They actually have issues, too.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)two of our recent immigrant groups.
artislife
(9,497 posts)Who are experiencing this American life differently.
chknltl
(10,558 posts)It's gonna be terribly hard to change my opinion regarding whom to support in the primaries by someone who wants to tell us that what I clearly see isn't really there. You are correct that this is not rocket science, it is a distraction. Is this being a distraction going to be the stutus quo? Considering that the majority here at DU have work to do, such distractions are in the way of our efforts to reclaim our democracy. I'll not be distracted further. Have a nice day
BainsBane
(53,016 posts)perhaps according to where we live.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)First you accused the op of making up the title to misrepresent the article and the crowd at the event:
2. Seriously?
The OP made up the title because there are a couple of people who look to be Hispanic and Asian sitting in the front row?
Oh, wait. I see they have close ups of three people of color in the article. That explains everything.
Then you claimed the author of the article didn't mention diversity either, when she clearly did:
23. What is there is are features of three people of color, and you decided to invent a headline to give the appearance of diversity. There is no discussion of multiculturalism or racial diversity at all in the article. There is a discussion of some of Sanders positions and a few supporters comments on them.
You invited the snark with your preposterous title. It was absurd even before I realized you had made up the title. That the blog entry is written by a Sanders supporter yet you still had to "embellish" it to fit your contrived narrative makes it all the worse.
Now you're doubling down and claiming others don't know what diversity is?
Seems like some here aren't just hoping we don't notice the colours in the photo, they're hoping we don't notice HC supporters showed their true colours in this thread.
You really don't know when to quit, do you?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and she should be ashamed of herself. This is racial profiling... let's call it what it is. And it should be disgusting to any who know what this is.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Doubling, tripling and quadrupling down on her original contention.
Wow.
If it were me I would be fleeing this thread and hoping it died overnight so no one else read my posts.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)
None so blind...
villager
(26,001 posts)n/t
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)"Nope, no poc in that crowd, you must be lying. Derp."
villager
(26,001 posts)...people over, and have them be enthusiastic, if their candidate wins the nomination.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Just when you think they've hit rock bottom HC supporters prove they can go even lower by once again dismissing poc who support Bernie.
villager
(26,001 posts)And yet, we are to believe their candidate is somehow different?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I just showed him this thread and he's telling me to stop giving the race baiters what they want.
He gets enough of that at work.
villager
(26,001 posts)People generally don't like to hang tight with abusers....
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)We're not feminists/don't support women's issues if we don't flock to Hillary.
I guess my momma was wrong to teach me to vote based on facts not gender.
Bernie is by far the better candidate when it comes to equal rights.
villager
(26,001 posts)...while laughably claiming to represent some new kind of thought, or paradigm....
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Not because we're intelligent enough to compare records and prefer the candidate who always supported equal rights.
Of course we're all sexists too, even the women.
villager
(26,001 posts)"Ain't that cute..."
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And that we're wrong when we say we don't support Hillary because of her record.
But we're the sexists here because we won't vote for a woman.
Uh huh.
villager
(26,001 posts)
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)Response to LondonReign2 (Reply #42)
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LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)Remember the racist dog whistles of 2007 from Clinton? Doesn't bother them, anything to win.
Hillary's recent integrity-free comment on Keystone? They were actively cheering, saying she shouldn't tell the truth if it would be detrimental to her candidacy.
Ethics free campaigning is apparently perfectly fine with some of them.
villager
(26,001 posts)...and GOP acolytes in general.
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)Snark is all they have.
artislife
(9,497 posts)
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)
villager
(26,001 posts)Seriously, and I mean this in a bread-breaking way.
What seed can be planted -- here -- to change all this?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)It is what it is. It's a more sophisticated version of "your mother wears army boots." If Y says something bad about someone X likes X is going to say something bad about someone Y likes.
villager
(26,001 posts)There may be disagreement in the weeks ahead. But no snark if I should take to posting in your direction about anything that should be...discussed.
delrem
(9,688 posts)It must be something general in human nature.
Still, the issue that we're looking at began with some posters denying a claim of multicultural diversity in this crowd, and I think it's *on them* who attacked on a false front, and I think their posts rest on a couple months of false and suggestive innuendo denigrating and slandering Sanders' and Sanders' supporters' bonafides regarding support for a multicultural and inclusive country/community.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
villager
(26,001 posts)The talking point is that somehow the gatherings "failed" -- or whatever their talking point of the day is -- so they'd be gunning for any report that didn't fit their canned narratives.
delrem
(9,688 posts)Pure Rove down to the bone, the essence of dirty tricks - amoral mercenaries following the $big$ trail.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and he is not affiliated at all with the campaign. Here the wiki entry for it. It does have the list
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_presidential_campaign,_2016
delrem
(9,688 posts)David Brock's Army of "Nerd Virgins" Has Hillary's Back
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/09/david-brock-hillary-clinton-correct-the-record
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)at least formally.
Though will have to pay more attention to Media Matters releases to see if there is a shift.
I have not noticed one, honestly. There is a saying about the converted and how they are more zealous than the non converted.
delrem
(9,688 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)with the other half waiting to get hired.
(And yes, there is a story in there about how dysfunctional the system has become)
delrem
(9,688 posts)How David Brock Built an Empire to Put Hillary in the White House
http://www.thenation.com/article/how-david-brock-built-empire-put-hillary-white-house/
It's really really really difficult for me to disassociate that enterprise from the Clinton machine.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)he is doing what he has always done. Find a new cause to espouse. but I still do not see him as part of the campaign perse. That comes closer to somebody else, much closer to DU. As in extremely close to DU. PM me if you are interested in that.
That said, not surprised one bit. It is DC... the place as a whole is incentous, to the point that at times I think it needs a good dose of disinfectant.
Nice background though. So he has gone from one set of bosses to another... not shocked or surprised.
Politics is what it is. The people directing all this though are not guys like this one, You want to look at John Podesta and a few others who are indeed WORKING for the campaign. Nice to see that they are expanding the war room though to outsiders... wonder how the IRS should treat that in the age of CU?
delrem
(9,688 posts)Too true.
Whenever I look at these guys it's always a question of "where's the money?".
They have volition, but they have the morality of a computer program.
Very smart - "clever", as a teacher of mine once said of a famous philosopher that he made me study, who my teacher thought wasn't deep enough, or wise enough, to put on the scale. In this case, when I learned that this guy David Brock founded Media Matters, the hairs on the back of my head bristled.
Sure, PM me - but remember that PMs on DU aren't private from the admins.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)haikugal
(6,476 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)he is the founder for Media Matters, but in the 1990s he was part of the cottage industry pursuing Clinton.
Here is the campaign so far, and Brock is not part of it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_presidential_campaign,_2016
LWolf
(46,179 posts)One HRC supporter debunks the "multi-cultural" claim by saying pictures aren't enough. You ask for pictures.
I can merely quote the article: Overall this was a very diverse crowd that included old and young, as well as minorities and whites alike. They will continue to work on this grassroots campaign.
I'm pleased to know that one of the pictures is of Emerald, who has made no decisions but came to find out more about Sanders. An honest statement, and a productive way to have spent her time.
Here's an honest question from me: Does it bother some anti-Sanders people if there are PoC showing up to hear him and support him?
BainsBane
(53,016 posts)Titles are meant to capture the thesis or main topic of the article. There is one itsy bitsy little sentence at the very end, not the subject of the piece.
I initially found the thread of interest because of the disparity between the title and the cover photo. When I found out he had totally made up the title, then it became really funny.
I think it's great Sanders is making an effort to speak to the concerns of people of color. That can only be good. Not mad at all at that.
The creative titling of the thread is a hoot. Awesome thread!
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)you would be going about it anyway.
I try to make my headlines the major point of the story, I guess I do not think emphasizing the racial makeup of a crowd is that important, but the numbers of people who actually showed up in a supposedly conservative military backwater, is more important.
I guess the 1960s are not over either... and we should do what they did back then and tell you how many people of color, and latinos showed up. Press used to do that. Do I really need to do that again? NAH... that is not the current standard, and I for one am glad. Usually just mentioning that the crowd is diverse is enough for most folks.
To the OP the important point is that this was a multicultural crowd, which it was.
YMWV apparently.
villager
(26,001 posts)Posters are being disingenuous when claiming they wouldn't carcass-pick over some other aspect of the story, regardless of the headline.
villager
(26,001 posts)This isn't LBN.
Hence the ability use to synopsizing titles, for people to decide if they want to check in (or, such as yourself, spend a few hours here!)
BainsBane
(53,016 posts)and I so appreciate the fun you provided.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Clown cars and contortionists are awesome!
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)looking at the photo? Multi-cultural is more that just color. Seems desperately necessary to shout down anyone that dares to counter the anti-Sanders meme that he only appeals to one culture.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)first here is the quote describing the crowd
Since I am familiar with the crowd this is the detailed list. One would never think it is necessary to go into racial descriptions anymore, thank you for disabusing me of that.
There were many Latino, many of whom are light skin, If any of you saw me on the street, I am betting you would think I am one of you. Yes, I am that light skinned.. until I open my mouth I guess
LGBT. We had not one, not two, but several couples who are quite open in the crowd, as well as a few trans folks. This is my town, I know them.
We had African American people which was actually from our rough count a tad higher than the county average of 5.1 percent.
We also had old folks, and plenty of Millennial kids.
I did not know all of you were either that ahem... what can I say? words fail me. or secret both Bernie fans and my neighbors. Hi neighbors.
I noticed that none of you had a thing to say about what labor is saying, Just fixated on skin color without knowing a thing about that crowd or this town. Those of us who do, recognized immediately how diverse it was Yes, multicultural is a good term. Suffice it to say that labor leaders locally are saying what they are saying. It is what it is, I just report.
Oh and here is the photo of the other gent we ran a story off... who is also very white
?w=200&h=300
Worst, not only is he LATINO, but a veteran. Oh and a local pol, running for office, a democrat who has already endorsed Sanders. Whether the rest of the party will, or not... it is very early in the campaign.
See, I guess he is not that dark to you... I offer this free hint to you folks, STOP IT! You are making yourselves look rather well, silly. That is the polite term to use here. We are in polite company after all. (I think) There is another wrod that is quickly being formed in my mind that applies better.
villager
(26,001 posts)n/t
George II
(67,782 posts)....."the San Diego Education Association, which has 3.5 million members nationwide"?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Moving those goal posts again?
George II
(67,782 posts).....being "multicultural", now we're just moving on to the next false statement in the article.
Next?
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)It's worked pretty well for the Republicans, but I'm not sure that is something you should embrace so thoroughly.
artislife
(9,497 posts)They have learnt well from the Republicans....never admit a mistake or an angel loses its wings.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Why are you calling the op dishonest?
villager
(26,001 posts)But that's about it.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)direct quote.
And do I need to tell you what word went though my head as I read your "racial profiling" You should be ashamed of yourself. One of your cohorts should KNOW BETTER.
George II
(67,782 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 31, 2015, 01:53 PM - Edit history (1)
to score a point. You are judging things by photos. Well, I was there LAST NIGHT, as credentialed media, not a fucking partisan. I staid for the whole thing. I talked to more than just one or two people. I compared notes with an activists that is especially sensitive since she is a black strong woman, and is often alone or close to in party events. We both went, this is a very diverse crowd.
And to repeat myself, you should be ashamed of yourself. As I said. if you ever see me in the streets... I am lilly white.
Guess what? I am Latina, Jewish... and immigrant. As far as San Diego is concerned. you can drop that talking point. I cannot vouch for the rest of the state or the country. But I am willing to bet crowds will be diverse where the BASE POPULATION is diverse. They will not, where they are not.
This goes for ALL DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES by the way.
This is the same story as in 2008.
Enough is enough, seriously. Or just for you do I need to go specifically into the racial makeup of a crowd? Serious... diverse crowd is not enough, you need to go down that path!
For the record, I am not going to say this reflects bad on your candidate. I consider those arguments to be the lowest of the low. They reflect on you.
hedda_foil
(16,371 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)Tells me a lot of white priveledge is involved.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)BooScout
(10,406 posts)The SDEA has 7000 members not 3.5 million. Look it up, it's on their website. And I seriously doubt they are nationwide, lol.....I would speculate they are just in San Diego.
Sheeeesh.....
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts) indeed.
Still waiting for you to apologize to the op for that.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)he was referring to the NATIONAL UNION. OF course, given you are likely not familiar how UNIONS work... I am not surprised.
BooScout
(10,406 posts)The San Diego Education Association....not it's affiliates. And the guy interviewed sits on the executive council of the LOCAL association, not any national one.
So all in all....the whole blog post apears to be inaccurate and a farce.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Are you now going to triple down? Please do.
BooScout
(10,406 posts)The quote is wrong. The SDEA has 7000 members, not 3.5 million. The SDEA is affliated with the NEA, which according to their website has 3 million members ......so you got that wrong as well if that is what you meant.
To be more accurate you should have said he sat on the executive council of the SDEA which has 7000 members and it is affliated with The NEA which has 3 million members. You might also have mentioned that he does not speak for the SDEA nor the NEA.....basically he's a 3rd grade teacher.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)have an excellent day.
I gave you the exact quote, and I will give it you again. I am quoting a person who spoke to me in Spanish. For your benefit though, I will upload the MP3, how's your Spanish? (I forgot to do this in the morning to be honest, this is not about Booscout)
delrem
(9,688 posts)What the number attributed to was obvious from the fucking quotation.
WTF *is* your problem, anyway?
What I figure - if I said it - would get me a hide for sure.
George II
(67,782 posts)Pretty sloppy reporting if you ask me.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)here once again
Are you going to triple down on this now?
BooScout
(10,406 posts)....much less 3.5 million educators?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)but since we are talking of the NATIONAL UNION, he is in the executive board of the LOCAL in San Diego, and was at Orlando for the NATIONAL CONFERENCE.
Is that now clear for you, or you still have problems with English Comp? Or is this, like the other pointers, trying to score points for the sake of scoring points becuase this goes against your preconceived notions?
by the way, this does not reflect whatsoever on HRC, it reflects ON YOU, and not in a good way. His total, is national
Here is the DIRECT QUOTE
BooScout
(10,406 posts)He's a 3rd grade teacher in San Diego......and your whole blog piece is distorted and inaccurate.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)this is about you, and definitely not in a good way.
Nor is he part of the executive board for the Local. Ok got it.
So we did not get thunderstorms either, and Ramona did not get flooded due to Dolores last week?
You know, you are making the impression that you are making, it is not a good one, And let's make this Crystal, this has none, nada, whatsoever, to do with the Hillary Campaign. Unlike you, I will not say that you will affect how I see your preferred candidate, It affects how I see you. And it is not a good thing. There are many words running though my head, and none of them is a compliment.
I also believe you are incapable of recognizing that you were wrong, or apologizing for it.
Revealing. I love it.
BooScout
(10,406 posts)Got ya. Carry on carrying on.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)but that mirror is just beautiful. The image being reflected is not nice. You might want to think how your statements here could be read. It is less than flattering.
I just report on this shit, IF your preferred candidate does this, you can bet your ass I will be there. Since it is your preferred candidate I am sure you will just gush praise. If it is a republican, I will be there, and NOT post it here. I really don't care for the drama. But this has been quite revealing.. .and not in a nice way.
And I will repeat myself This does not reflect whatsoever on HRC... it reflects ON YOU.
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #144)
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nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and reading planning documents. and budgets and then you might get it. Yeah, yea, I love to do it, but after a while... yeah, words in, words out a lot of it is not on paper.
But anyway, the impression you are leaving with me right now is actually far worst than it's ever been. The words running though my head are not flattering. As far as I am concerned, I do not confuse you with HRC... others do, and you are not doing any service to your candidate.
I have covered enough of these things to understand that candidate followers can be shall we say.... abrasive...
George II
(67,782 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Why haven't you owned up and apologized to the op for claiming they lied about the crowd?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)sorry. I am really sorry for you
Will you continue to now quadruple down.
This is a local which is part of a NATIONAL UNION, but for YOUR BENEFIT, I will make this go down to 1st grade English.
I hope this is clear enough for you. Do I need to break this into a few sentences? After all, first grade English is not this complex...
artislife
(9,497 posts)Because no matter how many times you repeat it, they still can't wrap their heads around it.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)
artislife
(9,497 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)... and American the 4th, There are enough differences that linguists are starting to consider them different dialects already, without counting all the regional dialects.
artislife
(9,497 posts)I am sure you know exactly what the words you use mean. Your grasp is infinitely better, mainly because the knowledge of more languages does wonderful things in the brain----very elastic and able to build new neuropathways easily. You probalby have a ton more pathways than the average one language person's brain.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)How the brain lights up in different areas according to which language is being spoken. When I speak Italian, I feel very passionate, expressive and full of the arts. When I speak German, I feel very logical, efficient and intelligent.
Just interesting.
And how languages have words or expressions that others don't.
Enough. .I just find it fascinating.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)This thread is a freak show of denial.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)here is the quote IN THE ARTICLE you were looking for
Now I did not know San Diego is the whole nation. Would explain a few things... but I digress.
George II
(67,782 posts)Just how many members does the SAN DIEGO EDUCATION ASSOCIATION have?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)you really are having problems here. It is not my issue my "friend." It is yours.
This is your issue, truly. Time to find a new talking point, Because this one is failing.
By the way, thankfully I will not hold YOUR ATTITUDES against your candidate. But by golly, that impression you are leaving with me is far from agreeable.
George II
(67,782 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)You were proven wrong repeteadly and keep tripping down
George II
(67,782 posts)...last night the article said "the San Diego Education Association, which has 3.5 million members nationwide...." (check the OP above, it's still there as of 6:00PM Eastern!) - that is what was pointed out and you insisted that you were told that by the person you interviewed.
Now I see that the article has been cleverly edited ("edited for clarity" to add "which is part of a union" to read "the San Diego Education Association, which is part of a union which has 3.5 million members nationwide."
In fact the San Diego Education Association has 8,000 members.
Seems like someone else, not me, was proven wrong and edited the article to correct a major error. You should be thanking me for that.
Now, about those "personal attacks"? Where?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Keep digging.
I find it disturbing that you cannot admit you are wrong. Have a wonderful life George
George II
(67,782 posts)I wish I had a mirror, you should be saying that to yourself.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Just keep at it. And please, by all means, do have the last word. This thread has been extremely revealing. Not in a flattering way either.
George II
(67,782 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)
daleanime
(17,796 posts)keep smiling!
artislife
(9,497 posts)There is roughly 80 people in the photo.
The very back is really too out of focus to really know where they fall in demographics for the most part.
These are the least numbers of what I can be sure about
4 AAs
14 nonwhite--Latino/Pacific Islander/ Asian
12 under 30
6 over 55
46 women
Again, I counted only those I was positive about. I am pretty sure there are more Pacific Islanders in the back and in the crowd.
We can't see if there are any LGBTs or their income level
If culture means only race then it isn't as diverse as society, but not out of whack. If culture includes gender, income level. education and age then it is pretty diverse.
I have a magnifyer on my screen.
I can't believe I felt compelled to take time to do this.
BainsBane
(53,016 posts)Did your magnifier enable you to discern the cost of clothing or quality of shoes? What was on their smart phones or Kindles?
Love your post by the way. Too funny.
villager
(26,001 posts)Or anyone else in the "superpowers-though-I-wasn't-there" crowd?
BainsBane
(53,016 posts)and I can see there is no mention of multiculturalism or racial diversity, despite being authored by a fellow supporter. It was nice of her to feature those pics though.
villager
(26,001 posts)When the main imperative is not to listen or discuss, but "score points?"
BainsBane
(53,016 posts)I stand ready to be corrected.
BainsBane
(53,016 posts)The very last sentence at the bottom of the article. Not the subject or emphasis of the article, but there is a single sentence.
Gee, that was super sleuthing! Now I feel like I can peer into those smart phones!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Or shall we chalk this up as just another example of the kind of classy behaviour we have come to expect from HC supporters?
villager
(26,001 posts)After already discussing it at length!
BainsBane
(53,016 posts)I admire your perseverance. You're caught red-handed yet remain undaunted. That takes chutzpah.
Didn't quite score the points you hoped for, but I have confidence you'll do better next time.
villager
(26,001 posts)I admire your persevere(nce). You're caught red-handed, yet remain undaunted. That takes chutzpah.
Didn't quite score the points you hoped for, but I have confidence you'll do better next time.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Don't hold your breath.
But do know that everyone who reads this thread can see who was wrong all along.
villager
(26,001 posts)amends, etc....
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I wonder if they can't see what they're doing or they just think the rest of us are too stupid to notice.
BainsBane
(53,016 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:18 AM - Edit history (1)
I will dispense with the humor and be direct. You invented a title of the article that distorted its meaning. The point of an article is not buried in the last sentence. Journalists always lead with their main point because they know many people do not read every word, particularly on the internet. That is a blog after all. You sought to promote an agenda and got called on it. Rather than acknowledging what you had done, you chose to insult people. I owe you no apology. I called you on a clear distortion. You took it very badly.
Now, naturally the peanut gallery supports you. The failure to support Sanders, treat him with absolute reverence, makes us inferior beings. That point has been communicated all too often. The idea that teasing you should reflect badly on Clinton is absurd. People here despise her more than virtually any other human being on the planet. It would not be possible to generate more antipathy than has already been carefully cultivated. No Clinton supporter in this thread dreams any of you will vote for her in the primary. Your reaction also shows a full-scale inability to take criticism and a complete absence of a sense of humor.
Now it is possible for a crowd with a few people who are not Anglo-looking to be considered relatively diverse in some places. It does not in my community. I can't go to the corner store, drug store, or supermarket without seeing people from a wide variety of ethnic, religious, and national origins. I see dozens of East African women in hijabs every day, in addition to many African Americans, tribal peoples, Mexican and Central American immigrants, Southeast Asian immigrants, Hispanics, on and on. That is the community I live in. Some who live in more homogeneous areas will perceive diversity differently. However, the Democratic Party is far, far more diverse than that photo. That difference in perspective might serve as an excuse if the article had actually been about multiculturalism or diversity. One sentence at the end does not change the point of the article, which was the content of Sanders speech and the reactions of some of his supporters. The title you created sought to promote a perception you thought would benefit Sanders, and that is what you got called on.
Next time you intend to promote an agenda, coordinate with your "objective" Sanders supporting journalist in advance. You don't have any right to write misleading titles without catching criticism. Deal with it.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)but the number of people that attended it. The diversity of the crowd was something to be noted, but far from the main point.
I guess you really are trying to tell me what was the point of the article.
This reminds me when I was told what a fictional group of science fiction characters in a game system were according to the player. I wrote the background but damn it, he knew it far better.
I will consider NOT, writing n the next article where a diverse crowd shows up the exact break down of the crowd like it was done in the 1960s. Is that what you want?
Are you going to continue to double down on this?
BainsBane
(53,016 posts)I had such high hopes for you, and I get a repeat? Where's the creativity?
villager
(26,001 posts)Though I won't claim I had very high hopes for your reply!
artislife
(9,497 posts)I am glad you loved my post.
BainsBane
(53,016 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)First, thank you for being a nitpicker.
Gender===I think that one is a given...roughly half and half
Income level ===assumption based on norms of society. Older people, probably having money in the bank. Of course, they could have been wiped out by the Banksters and lost everything but I don't see any shopping carts and out of control beards on anyone. Younger people probably having jobs that don't pay well...(latest employment data, haven't had a chance to climb in their profession, and if in college under great debt....unless incredibly gifted, born into wealth or athletically talented) I would say that since it was a free event, then more incomes would not find it difficult to attend. Which would not be the case of a $1200 a plate dinner. I will concede, it is possible that everyone is poor.
Age====Can you see the old people v the younger people v the youngest people or not?
Great shooting the breeze with you.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)But HC supporters are really into alternative interpretations.
Gotta give them props for being creative!
artislife
(9,497 posts)Not so easy.
I admit I got bored though.
Because I don't care. She can have her supporters. They are happy to follow her into the great ---Unchange.
We will get those who say....hey, I want off this ride, it sucks.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)That's what they do best, it's easier than admitting poc support Bernie too or actually addressing the issues that are important.
senz
(11,945 posts)I've been reading this hideous, endlessly repetitive thread, hoping that something would "give," and have now learned more than I'd ever want to know about certain HRC supporters. You guys have a lot of patience.
But this comment, artislife, along with bmus' stream of clever, pointed, arch remarks, made it worth it.
I really love "the great -- Unchange" and "I want off this ride, it sucks." I hope to see them again some day in a wider venue.
artislife
(9,497 posts)I also came up with Hillary 2016----Because you don't want things to change.
She just feels like a heap of beige.
senz
(11,945 posts)I think with your skill, assuming you have a related degree, you could get a job with any decent PR firm. And you'd be an asset to the PR side of any political organization. As someone who is interested in art, you probably know all about portfolios and how useful they can be in conjunction with CVs. Hope you're looking into these things, talented person.
BainsBane
(53,016 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:56 AM - Edit history (1)
I have a small laptop and can't begin to see what you do. And I really don't mean to be a nitpicker. I was simply trying to read and enjoy your post. I've already been criticized by the OP for being a sloppy reader. I did not want to repeat the crime. I do not think, however, one can tell education or income by looking at a crowd. Nor do I think assumptions based on societal norms is a persuasive argument in favor of diversity of a particular crowd. I will, however, take your word, pretty much, on race and age.
Have a great night!
artislife
(9,497 posts)Sometimes the words fall flat on the screen...anyway.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/use-snipping-tool-capture-screen-shots#1TC=windows-8
You can make screen shots really easy and for free! I help people learning to do things on their computer and sending them a screen shot to have for their notes is really good.
Have a good night, too.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)for ya, there were several couples who I recognized from covering the LGBT community, especially the day of the party after the USSC decision. There were a couple of transgender folk as well.
artislife
(9,497 posts)Sorry~~the amount of adhering to the meme that Bernie has only middle class white straight dudes is deep.
Great to hear from someone who actually knows facts.
Bernie---not so Vanilla as we are lead to believe.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)the POTUS to be exact
artislife
(9,497 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You must be making it all up.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)apparently, to my shock and surprise. I was not there. Gosh darn it, I wrote a story when Ron Paul came to town in 2012, I know HRC will be here on the 7th... but not a public event. If she does. I will be there.
Hell, I am hoping Rand Paul comes to town. I really want to compare and contrast dad and son. His dad is incredibly charismatic in person... on TV, not so much. (and that is a good thing)
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)They thought they could get away with claiming the op was lying.
And Rand Paul gives me the creeps, ugh. Kudos for wanting to get close enough to that for a story.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)we were discussing our endorsement of big money (to make a point of CU), and we might even NOT do that.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)villager
(26,001 posts)...since she was there!
George II
(67,782 posts)villager
(26,001 posts) BooScout
(10,406 posts)...make fun of their screen name so you can impress your friends!
villager
(26,001 posts)Oh BooScout. So devoid of content, or a willingness to listen.
So overdue for an ignore list, with your unchecked mean-spiritedness.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Talk about fabrications!
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)Bill O'Reilly's got nothing on you.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)villager
(26,001 posts)A winning strategy, indeed.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)But I hope this stays kicked for days so they can be reminded of it.
villager
(26,001 posts)...for all to see....
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)speaks volumes about their character.
Accuracy and issues mean nothing, they're here to swift boat other candidates, not promote theirs.
villager
(26,001 posts) Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)amazing
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)villager
(26,001 posts)Last edited Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:01 PM - Edit history (1)
Lots of folks who weren't there seem to possess much more specific details about the evening, however.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Congratulations to all the people taking magnifying lenses to the photo...although I wasn't aware multi-cultural equated to skin color.
It's quite obvious that the outrage by some of the people upset over the lack of focus put on the issues of police abuse and institutional racism by Bernie early on was not about trying to get him to start highlighting those issues but to bring down his candidacy. It didn't and will not work though because he (and anyone who believes in justice and equality) has embraced that message and will continue to do so while some will continue to count faces in photos.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Seems some here would like to say that blacks are excluded from Bernie events which is one of the larger pieces of stinking shit I've ever smelled on DU.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Cheering for him wouldn't make a difference to some of the people who have been pushing these issues. They never actually wanted him to draw attention to them in the first place. But he is and will continue to do so and so will anyone else horrified by what goes on in this country. And this will continue whether Bernie Sanders' campaign crashes and burns or not because it's the right fucking thing to do!
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)villager
(26,001 posts)Actually, neither of my sons' middle schools stooped to such levels, so I'll need a different descriptor.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts) artislife
(9,497 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts) artislife
(9,497 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)"They chopped his head off." I rolled.
artislife
(9,497 posts)I love the expressions Seth gives and the little asides.
Him showing how the eyes were pressed out of the head!
And then the blossom of young love at the end.
Which we know will end badly.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Looks like The Big Lie is alive and well.
villager
(26,001 posts)...For Your Own Good!"
It justifies their nasty barbs, and further, justifies what may have been innate in them all along: An inability to really "listen," to really "hear" how anyone different than them might feel... about, well, anything.
Even someone they think should "be on their side," when push comes to shove...
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)they are apparently supporters of Bernie Sanders, the lot of them, and LIVE IN SAN DIEGO. Imagine the meet up! I wonder if chile rellenos is something they like, or nopalitos con chile? Me, I like Huevos Rancheros from time to time, I wonder.
villager
(26,001 posts)...of what the event was "really" like.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)We could have gone to a few local eateries in North Park. There are some very good places for a late night (ok this was over by 9) snack.
TM99
(8,352 posts)There were admonitions about a lack of diversity in the photos as well.
I was there. So were a few others who posted here. We all confirmed it was an incredibly diverse crowd not only racially but also with regards to sexual orientation, gender, and age.
It is a Rovian game with some here. Fuck 'em.
villager
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....both near and far.
...even going out of their way to alert me out of my own thread!
But again, why discuss when you can always start a pointless brawl, eh?
delrem
(9,688 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and have extensive recordings, like always, so we always quote people word by word.
The crowd was so raucus a few times that I had to enhance the audio this morning
delrem
(9,688 posts)to Reporting San Diego.
I hope you're feeling as good as me 
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)We are still trying to get this off the ground. It is at times hard going. Some of the stories I can do from home, just time intensive. The PSAs, copy -paste, they are PSAs, but some require us to go.
Thank you a lot.
delrem
(9,688 posts)Going along in neutral.
So without a second thought they can sign onto some MSM for quite a large cost per month, just so they can be brainwashed by it - and have the privilege of complaining about it as if that would make any difference, since they're already subscribed and have been all their life.
So we get this talk, over and over and year after year about what goofs like "Tweety" said, sometimes applauding "Tweety", a lot of times complaining about "Tweety", but always monotonous and not worth listening to. Same can be said about *all* of the MSM stars. Not a single one of them is real.
It's an eerie scene.
So keep on keeping on, Nadin.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and I am guilty of keeping the channel on... but it is my cheap version of the AP... hell, I tune to our local fox station, at 10:00, they are the least objectionable and we have seen them do some excellent work with local stories. National, well, we all know where they are. This includes the reporters.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts) AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts) villager
(26,001 posts) beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:38 PM - Edit history (1)
and several others in the county, including 2 or 3 in very conservative Paso Robles!
Cal Poly also had one that was packed.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)another person (not here) and me. Her mind went back to the Dean House Parties, which is some of what this is. But I went, this is going further than that. It is a grassroots, populist campaign, and people are getting extremely engaged.
neverforget
(9,436 posts) nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Now I think it is time for me to turn in
I was up at 5 this morning writing this, since last night I got home, processed photos and collapsed.
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)The article in Truth Out confirms how critical electing Bernie (along with a Congress and Senate that are the peoples' candidates):
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/32152-how-uber-and-the-gig-economy-are-making-voters-as-disposable-as-temp-workers?tmpl=component&print=1
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)haikugal
(6,476 posts)Response to villager (Original post)
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historylovr
(1,557 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Enthusiast
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stone space
(6,498 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)suffice it to say, if you go to RSD, the actual headline is there. And this headline games given this is not LBN are interesting to me.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Didn't mean to imply that the title was yours.
Good job!
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)the OP saw something there, and he wanted to emphasize it.
Me, I suspect even if the actual title was used, it would be the hullabaloo it has been.
Me. time to go read on leaky pipes. Reading policy and into infrastructure issues is far less stressful than DU anymore. At least I do not expect some of what happened here, when reading about leaky pipes.
