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Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:50 AM

There was an earlier post titled "Hillary Clinton Called People on Welfare "Deadbeats"

And a response was posted reading "Was this post intended on bashing or smearing Hillary Clinton? I have seen posts saying this is not
happening, maybe I misread this one. Bookmarking for future reference".

The actual quote was actually more damning-“Now that we’ve said these people are no longer deadbeats—they’re actually out there being productive—how do we keep them there?”

Read that again-"Now that we've said"? Imagine just for one moment how you would feel if you were Rhonda Costa and that was how the wife of the President of the United States described you-"no longer a deadbeat"...

On what twisted, bizarre, foreign planet does an exact quote given to the press from the wife of the president after six years of experience with the national press corp become a smear rather than something we call "her record"?

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Reply There was an earlier post titled "Hillary Clinton Called People on Welfare "Deadbeats" (Original post)
catnhatnh Jul 2015 OP
Indepatriot Jul 2015 #1
bobbobbins01 Jul 2015 #2
6chars Jul 2015 #4
Adrahil Jul 2015 #12
bobbobbins01 Jul 2015 #15
Adrahil Jul 2015 #29
sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #3
MADem Jul 2015 #27
sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #28
MADem Jul 2015 #30
LordGlenconner Jul 2015 #32
MADem Jul 2015 #33
secondwind Jul 2015 #5
BainsBane Jul 2015 #6
Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #9
BainsBane Jul 2015 #17
Luminous Animal Jul 2015 #21
Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #23
Luminous Animal Jul 2015 #24
catnhatnh Jul 2015 #16
BainsBane Jul 2015 #18
Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #26
murielm99 Jul 2015 #7
Metric System Jul 2015 #8
frylock Jul 2015 #25
Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #10
appalachiablue Jul 2015 #11
Darb Jul 2015 #13
Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #20
sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #14
Snotcicles Jul 2015 #19
sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #22
Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #31

Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 02:04 AM

1. Stop Picking on Hillary!!! (by quoting her words or examining her record) You're ruining the fantasy

 

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 02:11 AM

2. We've landed on bizzarro planet

Where fighting for civil rights for over 50 years makes you racist, but calling people deadbeats, and supporting 3 strikes, etc gets no attention at all.

Facts are now smear tactics, but insinuations and vagueries are latched on to and spread ad nauseam even when they fly in the face of reality. And we still have several months, things are going to get worse before they get better.

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Response to bobbobbins01 (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 02:38 AM

4. I wonder how Bernie feels about all this

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Response to bobbobbins01 (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 09:56 AM

12. Hmmm I have YET to see anyone here claim Bernie is a racist. Bizarro indeed. nt

 

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #12)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 11:24 AM

15. Maybe you missed the part of my post about insinuations?

There are many ways to imply something without actually saying it.

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Response to bobbobbins01 (Reply #15)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:23 PM

29. oh boy..... nt

 

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 02:12 AM

3. She supported that awful bill, it was a Republican bill, intended to

go after Reagan's mythical 'welfare queens' and to think that any Democrat would support that at all, let alone to talk about the poor mothers who didn't have her privileged opportunities, that way, showed me how she views people who are poor, she appears to be very intolerant of them.

Which is why I am a Bernie supporter, I can't STAND that attitude in ANYONE let alone in someone wanting to be the President of this country. It is really shocking frankly.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:02 PM

27. Gee, I can't STAND the attitude that women like to be abused! Now, who said that, YEARS ago?

And who cares about it today, save to point out how bullshit can be hauled out to use in a dumb and vicious fashion?

Dragging up ancient shit, twisting it, toying with it, taking it out of context, acting like it matters today?

That's the mark of a desperate campaign.

I will not blame Sanders, though--I'm sure if he knew what his (cough) supporters (cough) were doing and saying in his name he'd probably not be thrilled.

Single-handedly, comments like this are chipping away at any hope he might have. When ya can't talk about a platform FOR your candidate, engage in GOP-style oppo research aimed at the opposition, to appeal to the lowest common denominator of clueless and inattentive voters!

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Response to MADem (Reply #27)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:19 PM

28. You are contradicting Hillary Clinton herself. We do NOT know where

she stands NOW in this campaign, on that awful bill.

Please STOP distorting FACTS. Hillary was PROUD of her role in getting this bill passed.

No one is falsely accusing her of ANYTHING. And DESPITE the end results to poor, single mothers, in her 2008 Presidential Campaign she CONTINUED to tout its 'benefits'. To whom? Certainly NOT to the poor, especially single mothers and their children.

Her own words to show how proud she was of her role in passing that abomination:

'I realized I had crossed the line from advocacy to POLICY MAKING'

Her words, proud of her role, now either SHE was right and can stand by her own venture into 'policy making' or she will admit just how wrong she was and the awful effects Republican legislation ALWAYS has on the poor, and state she knows this now and will NOT be 'reaching across the aisle' to help them do any more damage to this country.

Pete Edelman RESIGNED his position in PROTEST to this bill, a friend of Hillary who thought she would be an advocate for the poor.

If you are having problems with issues being discussed, I can't help you, this is and has been a huge issue for Democrats since that awful legislation was signed into law.

Talk to Hillary, I am only recording her own words and her stated pride in having a huge influence on getting it passed. SHE is who you need to speak to.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #28)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:37 PM

30. Yeah, please stop distorting facts.

Take your own advice, there!

If you're not blaming her for something her husband did, you're taking her out of context. It gets tiresome.

I can quote candidates out of context too--but that's just low, so I don't do it.

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Response to MADem (Reply #27)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 04:20 PM

32. I keep hearing how great Bernie is

 

But for some reason his supporters only want to talk about Hillary. Well, that's not always the case. They only talk about Hillary when they're finished chastising BLM for breaking up there little evening with Bern.

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Response to LordGlenconner (Reply #32)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 07:00 PM

33. Isn't that the oddest thing?

And what an excellent point you've made, too!!

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 03:37 AM

5. I'm a proud supporter of Bernie Sanders...somehow, Hillary is just not appealing to me anymore.

I can't put it into words, I just find everything she says has a "hollow ring". Perhaps it's because I feel we need a fresh start.

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 04:30 AM

6. Look at this OP that provides the actual quotes

from an article. Tell me if this is what you are referring to, which is totally different from what you have claimed above, or if you have an actual quote to a different article. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=471986

So is your heart breaking for Dad's making well above median incomes who welch on child support, like that ass who used to hold Tammy Duckworth's seat? I'd really like to know what is going on here.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 05:57 AM

9. I think OP is still good

 

You are claiming the only people Hillary called deadbeats were dads, in the context of failure to pay child support.

For example you said:
So is your heart breaking for Dad's making well above median incomes who welch on child support, like that ass who used to hold Tammy Duckworth's seat? I'd really like to know what is going on here.


But yet the quote was this:
“Now that we’ve said these people are no longer deadbeats—they’re actually out there being productive—how do we keep them there?”
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=TnshAAAAIBAJ&sjid=IYoFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1438%2C3320670

Which came from an interview that had nothing to do with dads and child support. Actually the piece talks some about how "the former welfare mothers are working".

And OP also mentioned this other great quote that does check out real:
One day, Rhonda Costa's daughter came home from school and announced, "Mommy, I'm tired of seeing you sitting around the house doing nothing." That's the day Rhonda decided to get off welfare.

Today, Rhonda is an administrative assistant at Salomon Smith Barney, a New York financial services firm. After a year and a half on the job, she earns $29,000 a year with full benefits and stock options.
http://www.creators.com/opinion/hillary-clinton/talking-it-over-1998-06-03.html


What OP posted here is based on real stuff in my opinion and Hillary did say: Now that we’ve said these people are no longer deadbeats—they’re actually out there being productive—how do we keep them there?.

She said it in an interview-based piece published in several newspapers in 2002 and available in various online archives. And there is no reason to think she was referring only to dads, since the article was not about child support enforcement at all.

Consider your debunking undebunked.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 11:43 AM

17. Where is the original quote about deadbeats, however?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #17)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:01 PM

21. You can it here. Unfortunately, viewing it requires a subscription. There is a 7 day free trial

but requires a credit card number.

http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/19796257/#

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #21)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:41 PM

23. Thank you

 

PS you are awesome.



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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #23)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:54 PM

24. Aw, shucks :)

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 11:32 AM

16. My-that's a cute trick...

...that tries to hide the truth. But here is the post I referred to and yes, she does call her a deadbeat...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251471617

and here is the Buzzfeed article quoted

http://www.buzzfeed.com/christophermassie/hillary-clinton-used-to-talk-about-how-the-people-on-welfare#.jdzmxeVMe

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Response to catnhatnh (Reply #16)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 11:45 AM

18. Neither of those provide the actual, original article

They are both the same buzzfeed piece. I want to see the full context in which she said deadbeats. The other OP provides actual articles and full quotes. Yours and the Buzzfeed piece do not. I can see it's on Buzzfeed. I also see the full context is not provided on buzzfeed. So either she said it more than once in different contexts, or Buzzfeed and your OP distorts how she said it.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #18)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:02 PM

26. Here

 

Original behind paywall here...
http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/19796257/

But republished in several newspapers and can be found in various online archives like this...
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=TnshAAAAIBAJ&sjid=IYoFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1438%2C3320670


Or like this, complete at link but edited for length here by me. And this is not about "deadbeat dads":

Clinton finds herself in midst of welfare reform
April 16, 2002 12:00 am • MARIE COCCO(0) Comments
Newsday

WASHINGTON - This is when the Hillary lore meets Hillary the legislator.

Welfare reform is back.

It was one of those arguments six years ago in which Hillary Rodham Clinton could not catch a break. To the right, she was the shadowy operative of a leftist cabal in the White House, bent on keeping her own husband from fulfilling his promise to end welfare as we know it. To the left she was a traitor, willing to sell out the women and children she professed to care more about.

"There were people in the White House who said, 'just sign anything,' you know," the New York senator said in an interview. "And I thought that was wrong. We wanted to do it in a way that kept faith with our goals: End welfare as we know it, substitute dignity for dependence, but make work pay."
...

The welfare rolls have been cut in half. Child poverty has dropped. Poverty overall is down. Work, overall, is up.

"Now that we've said these people are no longer deadbeats - they're actually out there being productive - how do we keep them there?" Clinton said.

Congress must now reauthorize the landmark 1996 legislation...

The former welfare mothers are working. But they are still poor. About a third of those who left welfare report that they shrink their meals - or skip them altogether - because they haven't enough food. Even more say they can't pay the rent or the utility bills every month. The U.S. Conference of Mayors, in its annual report on hunger and homelessness, says welfare revision is an engine driving the working poor to the food pantries....


"Now the conversation should be about how do you make work pay? How do you reduce poverty?" the senator said. "Before, it was about this terrible welfare system, and that was a conversation stopper. It just blinded people to what some of the underlying problems were."

The underlying problems are still the underlying problems. Child care for the working poor remains scarce, and scarcely affordable. Transportation to jobs in the suburbs is spotty. State health insurance coverage for poor kids often is unavailable to their mothers, who must, nonetheless, stay healthy to stay at work. And to care for the kids....
...
link: http://poststar.com/opinion/commentary/clinton-finds-herself-in-midst-of-welfare-reform/article_599bddbb-686e-5d58-88cd-6a3b8d859e7b.html




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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 05:17 AM

7. Look at post #6 in this thread.

Read the link, and then reply. I would be interested in your answers.

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 05:21 AM

8. Well this smear fell apart quickly.

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Response to Metric System (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:55 PM

25. Hillary Clinton's own words = smear job

Sniper fire
Dead broke
Deadbeats

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 06:03 AM

10. see post #9

 

Thanks



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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 07:46 AM

11. K & R. While women and children were taken off welfare, many of the men were put in

jail and prison. The 1994 Violent Crime Control Act Clinton signed funded new prisons, 100,000 police and created 60 new death penalty offenses. Since May and July 2015 when he spoke at an NAACP conference, Bill Clinton has apologized for his criminal justce policies saying, "I made criminal justice 'worse' and 'we have too many people in prison".

BILL CLINTON: I MADE CRIMINAL JUSTICE WORSE, WE HAVE TOO MANY PEOPLE IN PRISON
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=281139

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 10:17 AM

13. Some are deadbeats.

 

Jussayin'.

Some are not.

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Response to Darb (Reply #13)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 11:57 AM

20. Yeah, I'm more concerned about the deadbeat billionaires

having several trillion dollars sitting off shore and tax free.

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 11:14 AM

14. What I would like to know who is 'we'??

'Now that we've said that these people are no longer deadbeats'. I don't recall ever calling poor people deadbeats or supporting those who did, and we know who they were referring to.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #14)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 11:52 AM

19. Good point. Also that phrase "Now that we've said" means squat compared to, Now that we know. nt

 

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Response to Snotcicles (Reply #19)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:04 PM

22. Well, what we know for sure now is, even if she actually believed that bill

would help single moms and their children at the time, the results as predicted by advocacy groups at the time and just about every prominent liberal who either worked with the poor and understood the pain of poverty or were part of Clinton's cabinet, and predicted its debilitating effects on society, were correct.

Hillary also referred to those liberals who opposed the legislation as 'naive' and use the now familiar word we hear so often to denigrate Liberals, 'purists'.

I believe she owes those naive purists an apology, and she needs to clarify her position on this awful legislation because up to the last time she addressed it in 2008, she still fully supported it.

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Response to catnhatnh (Original post)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:47 PM

31. Debunked: People have wrongly claimed Hillary was only referring to "deadbeat dads"

 

Here is the 2002 interview piece cited where then Senator Clinton talks about getting deadbeats off welfare. It is not about dads or child support enforcement. It is about getting supposed welfare abusers off the dole and back to being productive:

Original behind paywall here...
http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/19796257/

But republished in several newspapers and can be found in various online archives like this...
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=TnshAAAAIBAJ&sjid=IYoFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1438%2C3320670


Again at this link, edited for length here by me. Is not about "deadbeat dads".

Clinton finds herself in midst of welfare reform
Link: http://poststar.com/opinion/commentary/clinton-finds-herself-in-midst-of-welfare-reform/article_599bddbb-686e-5d58-88cd-6a3b8d859e7b.html
April 16, 2002 12:00 am • MARIE COCCO(0) Comments
Newsday

WASHINGTON - This is when the Hillary lore meets Hillary the legislator.

Welfare reform is back.

It was one of those arguments six years ago in which Hillary Rodham Clinton could not catch a break. To the right, she was the shadowy operative of a leftist cabal in the White House, bent on keeping her own husband from fulfilling his promise to end welfare as we know it. To the left she was a traitor, willing to sell out the women and children she professed to care more about.

"There were people in the White House who said, 'just sign anything,' you know," the New York senator said in an interview. "And I thought that was wrong. We wanted to do it in a way that kept faith with our goals: End welfare as we know it, substitute dignity for dependence, but make work pay."
...

The welfare rolls have been cut in half. Child poverty has dropped. Poverty overall is down. Work, overall, is up.

"Now that we've said these people are no longer deadbeats - they're actually out there being productive - how do we keep them there?" Clinton said.

Congress must now reauthorize the landmark 1996 legislation...

The former welfare mothers are working. But they are still poor. About a third of those who left welfare report that they shrink their meals - or skip them altogether - because they haven't enough food. Even more say they can't pay the rent or the utility bills every month. The U.S. Conference of Mayors, in its annual report on hunger and homelessness, says welfare revision is an engine driving the working poor to the food pantries....


"Now the conversation should be about how do you make work pay? How do you reduce poverty?" the senator said. "Before, it was about this terrible welfare system, and that was a conversation stopper. It just blinded people to what some of the underlying problems were."

The underlying problems are still the underlying problems. Child care for the working poor remains scarce, and scarcely affordable. Transportation to jobs in the suburbs is spotty. State health insurance coverage for poor kids often is unavailable to their mothers, who must, nonetheless, stay healthy to stay at work. And to care for the kids....
...
link: http://poststar.com/opinion/commentary/clinton-finds-herself-in-midst-of-welfare-reform/article_599bddbb-686e-5d58-88cd-6a3b8d859e7b.html





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