Dear white progressives: Stop telling black people how to vote

[bravenak]

Janessa Robinson




We are now in the midst of the 2016 presidential election, which means both parties are pandering to their bases as well as to unlikely voters who may be swayed to their respective sides. Although it’s early, this election cycle has already been dominated by questions of which candidate will garner “the black vote,” as if black people are monolithic. Given that thousands of black people are currently leading a social justice movement across the nation that the media has dubbed the “Black Lives Matter Movement,” the black electorate appears to be at the forefront of politicians’ minds.


There is a history of black communities voting Democrat — that is, when we are actually allowed to vote, as we were historically targeted for explicitly racist disenfranchisement in the 20th century and felon disenfranchisement in the 21st century. During the 20th century, the Democratic Party was well known for instituting anti-black policies in the South such as Jim Crow, poll taxes and literacy tests. Since then, the Democratic Party has shifted its image to racial indifference, while the Republican Party picked up its racially hostile characteristics.



http://www.salon.com/2015/07/21/dear_white_progressives_stop_telling_black_people_how_to_vote/

[Fearless]

1. No one is telling you how to vote.

Black, white, or any other group.

[bravenak]

2. Please read the article. I did not write it.

It has great points that I have made that people thought I was making up.

[1StrongBlackMan]

90. This is true ... The title is somewhat misleading; but, none the less ...

the writer makes some great and valid observations, that if heard by a candidate (or party) would moot the question of having to seek the Black vote.

[BainsBane]

154. People have tried to tell me how to vote

I'm not black, but I've had people demand I vote for Sanders.

[Fearless]

163. Links?

[BainsBane]

211. Here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026797259

You can read the responses to this OP Of mine. I'm am not calling out anyone and getting a hide.

[Violet_Crumble]

254. There's not one single post in that thread telling you how to vote...

I just read through it again and there's plenty of posts with you telling people they can't tell you how to vote and them replying and telling you they weren't trying to tell you how to vote.

[treestar]

340. I'd be willing to say people are trying to convince

us to vote for Sanders but doing so in an ineffective, dumb way.

Nobody can tell anyone else how to vote. They can only try to persuade.

We have a lot of DU argument on the negative side, arguing that one should vote Democratic because failing to do that means the Republicans win. I find that argument to be totally true, but some people just can't stand it. They don't want to face the fact that staying home helps Republicans. So the argument is not always effective.

Trying to convince people to vote for Bernie is a real up hill battle, so it must get frustrating at times.

[heaven05]

308. oh I beg to differ

contrary to what you think you know about who is telling whom, who to vote for, a lot of 'splainers' on here have for the last three years been trying to tell us lazy, unable to comprehend reality POC... .... how to feel about murder of unarmed POC, how much patience we must have until the privileged finally give us what we need to survive bullets or a rope, how to think about white privilege and how to STFU. And oh yeah: how and why we should vote for BS. Not anymore. BS supporters want acrimony, total compliance with their biased and privileged BS and war. They got it.

[Fearless]

321. Links?

[heaven05]

327. find them yourself

I'm sick of doing the work for the privileged. I know of what I speak. I don't care if you don't want to know. Remain blind. Trains a-coming.

[Fearless]

330. In other words you've got nothing

[heaven05]

331. I got everything

you've got zilch because you want zilch. I am not going to do your work for you. That allegedly ended with, well in 1865, but we know how that has worked out even to the present day. Son, I've got everything. You? 0. The transparency of the american privileged shows, really. I mean really. Trains a-coming.

[Bobbie Jo]

332. ...

[Fearless]

333. Proof is the burden of the accuser

Who on DU is telling you how to vote?

[heaven05]

334. take your burden and....wait for it, wait for it...

put it on your back. No need to prove ANYTHING to you when the proof is here. Go do your own work. I'm finished "proving" anything to the supporters of BS or doing any more work for them. The proof is all over these forums, especially the BS forum. #Black Lives Matter.

[Fearless]

336. Have a wonderful day.

[bravenak]

5. I can tell you did not click the link.

[SunSeeker]

21. "race nagging"

[geek tragedy]

49. Hey, that person is your ALLY. Anyone pretending

otherwise is a race-nagger apparently.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

51. If you change one letter in nagger it gets mighty unpleasant.

I have seen several posts in that vein.

[geek tragedy]

56. I've seen "thugs" and ""SJW" and red-baiting.

A whole lot of white liberals can turn to snarling racial antagonism when they feel like black folks are speaking out of turn.

This is how society programs white people to think.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

62. There is a whole lot of paternalism and a more than a little bit of the other ism

Unfortunately there is a whole lot of paternalism and a more than a little bit of the other ism in white liberalism.

[geek tragedy]

79. very often people believe they know everything and have nothing to learn

from those who disagree with them.

this is especially the case with dogmatic ideologues.

and white people get programmed to think that black people shouldn't be talking back to them or making them uncomfortable

[DemocratSinceBirth]

81. I don't know if this story is apocryphal or not but it's a great metaphor.

I don't know if this story is apocryphal or not but it's a great metaphor, that after the Battle Of Long Horn a Native American woman cut off General Custer's ear so he would hear better in the next life.

[Ken Burch]

257. True. Although "SJW" is basically a right-wing white dude thing.

It's used to imply that people(especially online) are speaking out about things they don't really care about.

[geek tragedy]

258. SJW gets used with alarming frequency here.

Not sure what that means.

[awoke_in_2003]

260. Usually the ones using SJW

(Social justice warrior) are using it as a put down to the people it is directed at. Usually the one using it is an MRA (men's rights advocate)

[Ken Burch]

264. It stands for "Social Justice Warrior" and it's not used as a compliment.

Had no idea it was being used here...it's not a term any progressive person should EVER use, since it is used to imply that the person it is applied to has an absurdly high sense of their own importance and is always making a big deal about nothing.

[spqr78]

315. SJW confusion

The first time I heard it was when someone I knew used it sarcastically, warning me that I was going to be called a social justice warrior if I didn't stop arguing with some gamergate trolls. My first thought was, OK, it's a bit grandiose, but I've been part of groups with sillier names (a multi-cultural group in high school called patches, which I think was a quilting reference, comes to mind).

If hateful idiots worst insult is that you're someone who fights for social justice, take it as a compliment.

[okasha]

142. Someone inadvertently told the truth

about white "progressives'" attitude about African Americans and, undoubtedly, other minorities. I don't know whether to be relieved that it's finally out in the open or just throw up.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

146. Being a white liberal myself I am hardly surprised...Some folks are just "liberal enough."

[1StrongBlackMan]

177. Since DU "progressives" have taken to quoting Black "leaders", I offer the following ...

In this deceitful American game of power politics, the Negroes (i.e., the race problem, the integration and civil rights issues) are nothing but tools, used by one group of whites called Liberals against another group of whites called Conservatives, either to get into power or to remain in power. Among whites here in America, the political teams are no longer divided into Democrats and Republicans. The whites who are now struggling for control of the American political throne are divided into "liberal" and "conservative" camps. The white liberals from both parties cross party lines to work together toward the same goal, and white conservatives from both parties do likewise.

The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way: the liberal is more deceitful than the conservative. The liberal is more hypocritical than the conservative. Both want power, but the white liberal is the one who has perfected the art of posing as the Negro's friend and benefactor; and by winning the friendship, allegiance, and support of the Negro, the white liberal is able to use the Negro as a pawn or tool in this political "football game" that is constantly raging between the white liberals and white conservatives.

http://www.malcolm-x.org/speeches/spc_120463.htm

Malcolm was a wise man. And here's another one:

Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16"You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17"So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.…

- Matthew 7:15-17

[calimary]

204. Excellent quotes, 1SBM.

Painful. But excellent. I'm adding them to my quotes collection.

[randys1]

210. Dear god Malcolm, you are making me uncomfortable and I am white, stop it please

[Fozzledick]

310. I was going to ask about the timing and context of that quote.

I couldn't help wondering if he made it while he was still adhering to the racist party line of the Nation of Islam, or after he made the Hajj to Mecca and realized that mainstream Islam welcomed all races without prejudice, so I clicked on the link to your source and found this:

note - this speech was delivered before Malcolm left the Nation of Islam and accepted true Islam -- so his views in this speech do not reflect his own or those he held near the end of his life.

Well, that answered my original question, but now I'm wondering why you chose to post such an inflammatory and divisive message without explaining it's historical context.

[1StrongBlackMan]

313. Because ...

while Malcolm, after the Hajj, accepted the "Oneness of Man" under the "Oneness of God"; Malcolm remained color conscious and he still maintained a healthy distrust of white liberals and their penchant for using Black people to secure their own political agenda.

[spqr78]

316. politicians lie?!?

I can't believe politicians have been lying to black people all this time. I mean, I'm white, so they don't lie to me or manipulate my fears and hopes in order to secure their power.

MY GOD! WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN US?!?

We need to get this information out to the public. Why did no one warn us? Oh, wait...2000 years ago...

“Politicians are not born; they are excreted.”
― Marcus Tullius Cicero

Maybe we should look at the careers, the lifetime of choices made by the candidates to see where they stand and on whose side they'll fall when they walk into the oval office.

[1StrongBlackMan]

328. Malcolm wasn't referring to only politicians. n/t

[calimary]

201. I know what you mean, okasha.

"I don't know whether to be relieved that it's finally out in the open or just throw up."

[zappaman]

206. But it's ok for white people to use it...

Cuz rappers do!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6993051

[randys1]

213. White people who say or type that word do it on purpose, gives them power

[zappaman]

215. It's a sickness.

That poster should come use it around my AA in-laws...see how that works out.

[randys1]

219. NEVER , they are complete babies, NEVER

[zappaman]

236. But hey it's cool to use on an anonymous message board!

Especially if "rappers use it"!

[stevenleser]

108. What is amazing to me is how delicate some folks are regarding their candidate after what they have

been saying for six years regarding Obama, and what they are now saying about Hillary.

I haven't forgotten. I doubt many other Obama supporters have forgotten. We recognize the names.

You don't get to be all upset about your candidate being criticized and challenged after all of what you have said.

The person who said "Race nagging" is not a racist, I'm pretty sure about that. But they were driven to make that outlandish comment because they lost their cool and got upset that their candidate was criticized. And that person has been relentless in their criticisms of Obama and Hillary.

That hypocrisy is not OK.

[geek tragedy]

109. for some people, support for Bernie Sanders is just another purity litmus test

in their rigid, dogmatic view of the world.

They are never wrong, they know everything, anyone who disagrees with them is either corrupt or ignorant, and it's a moral character flaw to express skepticism

[stevenleser]

111. I agree RE: the whole "they are never wrong thing", so true. There is an arrogance that has come out

from the BLM thing. A condescending and smug arrogance.

Not all of them. Some Bernie folks have definitely shown they get it.

[sufrommich]

113. +1. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

157. There are degrees of racism and not every racist wears a hood./NT

[stevenleser]

159. I totally get what you are saying. I've made the decision to believe the best here and I can

understand those who are not so inclined. It was a pretty ugly thing to say.

[mcar]

158. That's what has struck me most too stevenleser

Amazing, isn't it?

[bravenak]

166. This.nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

185. That hypocrisy is not OK ... Nor, is the term "race-nagging" ...

this person is as NOT racist as the 1960s shopkeeper, complaining that those "Northern Agitators were getting his negroes all riled."

[bravenak]

192. Race nagging.

Sound like, 'Hey black people, stop harassing us about you all dying in the street and all that BLACK stuff! Don't you wanna break up the banks? You're not a liberal!! All you care about is making it to old age!!"

[randys1]

216. BLM says this has just begun....which I LOVE

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/blacklivesmatter-co-founder-warns-presidential-candidates-we-will-shut-down-every-single-debate/

[bravenak]

218. I'm so excited!!!!

[Number23]

234. White "progressives" think that they actually own the term progressive and get to define everyone

that fits in that fold.

It doesn't matter that their definition is probably way too narrow, way too small, and leaves out a PLETHORA of issues that are critically important to progressives of ALL stripes. These same folks think that screaming solely about Wall Street and blathering "WE aRe the 99%!11" covers all things liberal, and if anyone begs to differ, then they are bringing up unimportant "distractions" that take away from the "REAL" issues.

I have seen post after post after post, including from DU "Darlings," about how the people questioning Bernie and daring to talk about racism right now "aren't really progressives." Well, they probably aren't "progressives" according to these people's very narrow, very insular and very meaningless definition of the word. And I have NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER that they are perfectly fine with that. Maybe even thrilled.

[bravenak]

237. Progressive is not just 'break up the banks!' I wish they'd stop for a second and think how stupid

they sound telling well educated black people that they don't know what's best for themselves.
I think some of them are looking around at their friends and seeing how fucking blind and obtuse they are.
I love the ones who tell me 'you never supported him in the first place, how could you!!'
To that I say, 'STFU! Do you see how shitty you treat Obama? And you think my black ass is supposed to supplicate myself to your political God? Fuck that!' The crazy. Don't nobody give a good god damn about their fuckin political purity test and self important blather about how REAL PROGRESSIVES act. They have no clue of what they speak. And real allie ain't gonna sit there for forty years not giving a shit about us getting locked and dying while they bitch and moan and cry real bloody fucking tears that bankers are walking free.

If they gave a fucking first shit about black folks the black lives matter rallies would be filled to the brim with those cappucino drinking keyboard warriors..

[Number23]

240. "cappucino drinking keyboard warriors.." Damn, girl... tell us how you REALLY feel???!!!!

[sheshe2]

243. Sing it!

Brava, bravenak.

[freshwest]

245. + !

[calimary]

343. Nailed it my friend.

"If they gave a fucking first shit about black folks the black lives matter rallies would be filled to the brim with those cappucino drinking keyboard warriors."

That nails it indeed. I found myself searching for white faces in the memorials to the Emanuel Nine, and in the ceremony taking the Dixie Swastika down, and in the marches in Ferguson and Baltimore and too many other cities by now, during the coverage of all that. And when I spotted them (and I did see some), I found myself hoping they were there because they really do get it.

[bravenak]

344. I always look too and hope.

I know that once those marches and rallys get huge and filled with my white brothers and sisters it will be a force to be reckoned with. Nobody can ignore us if we all stand together.

[calimary]

346. I know what you mean, my friend!

During the ceremony taking down the Dixie Swastika, I was looking, HARD, for white faces. I found some! Actually - I found quite a few. And I want to see that MORE and MORE. Just as I did during the memorial President Obama attended, where he gave his incredibly and justifiably amazing "Amazing Grace" speech. I looked for white faces. I looked for white faces in the march across the bridge. I looked for white faces among the candlelight vigils in Ferguson. I looked for white faces among those laying flowers down in the spontaneous "shrine" that grew in front of the Mother Emanuel church after those murders.

It actually changed my mind a wee bit about Lindsey Graham - when he acknowledged how moved he'd been, listening to the forgiveness of some of those family members - through their agony and tears on that Friday where they faced the young, and seemingly indifferent mass murderer. Wow, I thought, Lindsey Graham actually has a human heart. I'm totally surprised! He really was moved. And he was actually moved to change his mind about keeping that damn hate rag up on its public flagpole. I seriously hadn't expected that of him - or anybody else on that side of the aisle. Sometimes shaming is a good thing. I think he became ashamed of it, especially after listening to those families. At least I HOPE he became ashamed of it. Whatever worked was a good thing in my opinion.

I swear, I cried for two days straight after watching that. I don't know how ANYBODY could have remained unmoved after that. nikki haley too, although I don't trust her and I know she's probably gonna use it to appeal to people outside the GOP confines - as a potential VP nominee. She's gonna exploit that all over everywhere to try and prove "Oh NOOOO, We're Not Like THAA-AAAT". Bet on it.

[freshwest]

242. Remember this tweet?

Q: Why won't archie bunker vote dem?

A: He hates black people more than he loves prosperity

Q: But we are the 99%, FDR, stuff

A: Read a book

Unfortunately, that page is down.

[bravenak]

246. I missed that stuff.

[freshwest]

248. It's from a twitter feed link on one of 1SBM's thread in AA.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/118716567

It's his OP from The Obama Diary. And I haven't forgotten the names of those who pilloried the best president in my lifetime, just as steven said.

Obama has been better for this country than anyone, he really believes in it and doing the best for all, and did everything right in his own personal life.

I think their comparing him with themselves makes the bashers feel inferior. If they hadn't valued their egos and their petty power more than what is right, this nation would be better off!

[bravenak]

250. Oh, the chickens are coming home coming home, to roosts roosts roost.

This week has been painfully eye opening. All those folks who hate hate hate despise the President cannot handle a small bit of the critical eye on their guy. Oh, the iron-knee!

[Mnpaul]

249. But Archie did vote Dem

in real life. O'Connor was a liberal who drove a blaze orange Challenger. The show was nothing but a slam on bigots.

[freshwest]

320. Wonderful post! n/t

[Surya Gayatri]

323. This just hit me between the eyes...

All you care about is making it to old age!!"

Some 'progressives' have a slightly skewered hierarchy of priorities, I guess.

When your statistical chances of making it alive out of early adulthood are drastically diminished, 'progressive' ideological dogma must appear pretty petty.

Breaking up big banking is important, sure, but staying alive just has to take precedence, wouldn't you think?

Hang in there, bravenak.

[bravenak]

324. Lol!! Thank you, hanging in!

[Surya Gayatri]

325. ...

[bravenak]

326. Thank you!

[Cha]

286. I know.. how could anyone ever use that term, no matter how "hurt" they

were, that their candidate was getting called out for his actions at NRN?

[1StrongBlackMan]

301. No ... I suspect that term had been rattling around in the head ...

of that (and several other DUers), long before BLM's protest at NRN.

[calimary]

199. I haven't forgotten, either, stevenlesser.

And "race-nagging" is just a little bit too much, imo.

[1StrongBlackMan]

205. Come on ... But he/she was really, really angry when that word slipped out ...

ask any Black person what happens when they make a liberal really, really angry ... a word, very similar to that one slips out.

[calimary]

223. Well, I don't really see that as a good excuse - that one must be really really angry when

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that word slipped out. Seems to me something like "race-nagging" is just cutting it WAY too close. Disrespectful. And rather reckless, seems to me. It's just such a big mistake to go there, or even hint around, being cute by half, about going there. Seems to me as though African Americans have plenty of reasons to object.

The one thing I try to do is to ATTEMPT to imagine how I'd feel in that situation. Granted, I'm white. Sandra Bland was black. But we're both women. So I've been watching all this newly released video of her encounter with that cop. And while I hear the conversation between them escalate, I keep wondering WHY he tailed her for so long, in the first place. She didn't use her blinker to signal - and she gets PULLED OVER??? Seriously???? She was not speeding. Not driving erratically as though she'd been drinking or something. Not cutting a pedestrian off mid-step or anything. Not running a red light or a stop sign. Do you know how many lane changes I see in ANY freeway trip around here on ANY day, where people don't signal first? Same thing for surface streets. AND there are cops around, too. So I kept coming back to wondering why he pulled her over to begin with, and why he began to escalate things? She sure didn't seem to be a threat to him. I'd be upset, too, if I'd been pulled over. I WAS, recently. And I had to talk to myself to keep cool about it before the officer even approached my car!

One word that's often applied to us women is "uppity." It's a VERY broad-based stereotype. I wonder if that cop immediately, unconsciously just lapsed into that with his encounter. A woman speaks up in her own defense, and she's automatically "uppity." Not allowed to stand HER ground. And on top of that, the woman here was black. Now, that makes TWO strikes against her, automatically.

[freshwest]

247. But the use of the term is in 3 other posts. And no, won't post the links for baiters.

Don't know anything a POC could say to offend this CCWP. So there is definite difference.

[Cha]

238. Oh yeah, They dished it out for 7 years and counting but now.. ?

The Hypocrisy is stunning!

Mahalo Steven.. you wrote exactly what I've been thinking and thinking..

[stevenleser]

241. The lack of self awareness on that score is mind bending. I hope those folks take this as a lesson

If you trash (and are as nasty about doing it as many folks have been) an elected democratic official supported by a fair number of DUers for years on end, guess what can happen as soon as there is someone YOU support.

And then if you complain you look pretty silly, as many of those folks do right now.

[Cha]

244. Yeah, and Bernie isn't even getting "attacked" unfairly.. just pointing out the

obvious.. the Black Community is voicing their feelings.

But, of course, it's "Hillary's fault.." "..some plot by her supporters as a wedge issue.." Unreal.

I was with #BlackLivesMatter long before I supported Hillary Clinton for President.. This is about #BlackLivesMatter and standing with the Protestors at NRN..

It's bigger than any candidate who is perceived as needing "protection".

[treestar]

342. I've noticed that

I recall posts to the effect "I'm in love" with Elizabeth or Bernie. So funny, as we are accused of thinking of President Obama as our "boyfriend" but just about the same people. For over 6 years now.

The idea of actually supporting a politician made us authoritarians or cheerleaders. We were awash in cynicism. All politicians are evil and self serving and wrong all the time and should get nothing but criticism, true or not. Now they are stuck. Bernie is a politician. How are they going to get around that? He's a Senator. Now before, all of the Senate was corrupt. Anyone who could even win an election must be corrupt, or they could not win the election in the first place. Here is a full blown US Senator who suddenly must be made into a hero!

Suddenly that is not "pathetic" and is not "hero worship!"

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. What is race nagging?

What is race nagging?

" I've already resigned myself to a complete republican takeover of the government in 2016.

All these threats and the race nagging has truly driven me to not give a shit anymore.

I'll vote for bernie in the primary and then maybe join the Green party if he doesn't win.
...'nuff said."

-Zorra

Thank you in advance

P.S. Mitt Romney received 59% of the white vote in 2012. If it weren't for those folks you infelicitously call race naggers he would have been president.

[SidDithers]

335. I'm glad you preserved that before it was deleted...

that shit needs to be exposed.



Sid

[luvspeas]

76. no justice-no peace

On Wed Jul 22, 2015, 10:01 AM you sent an alert on the following post:

I've already resigned myself to a complete republican takeover of the government in
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=467809

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

Race nagging is a truly awful thing to say.

JURY RESULTS

Someone else already alerted on this post before you alerted on it, and only the first alert was sent to a Jury. A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of the post on Wed Jul 22, 2015, 08:06 AM, and voted 2-5 to keep IT. Please note that even though your alert was not sent to a Jury, it has been forwarded to the Administrators who review all alerts.

[Bobbie Jo]

101. Gross. nt

[Bobbie Jo]

183. Oh no, no..I think you misunderstood

my comment.

I was referring to the jury result.

That the jury allowed that garbage to stand was...gross.

Still shaking my head over that one.

[luvspeas]

189. OOOOHHHH! Mybad-you rock! sorrry!

I just put down a compadre. I feel like shit. Accept these smilies as my gift to you...

[1StrongBlackMan]

91. "Race-Nagging"??? WTF? ...

and that this has been alerted on ... twice ... and left to stand, with barely a peep of outrage from those DUers claiming to be/want to be allies with Black folks, speaks very loudly about DU.

I am so disappointed.

[freshwest]

95. It also speaks loudly to those who have a lot to lose with a GOP POTUS. Is this a game to some?

[Bobbie Jo]

102. Yep, your allies in action. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

140. Disappointed but not surprised.

eom

[randys1]

220. Remember what Malcolm said ...to be honest, I dont want to agree with him when he says

what he does about liberals, but he is right.

[William769]

93. You have now lost any moral high ground to complain about any slurs against any minority Group.

And if you think yourself proud, you have my pity.

[freshwest]

96. Sad stuff I'm reading at DU lately. Not taking serously the lives of others hurts. n/t

[William769]

99. Agreed.

The good news though is this shit will stop when not if Hillary locks up the nomination.

What a glorious day that is going be! #BLM will also be happy that their voices will be heard.

[randys1]

221. And for the people with that attitude, the rest of us have an even harder job to do

to make sure we get the vote out so we can prevent the Women and Black and middle class murdering GOP from the WH

[geek tragedy]

110. "race nagging"

Why not just tell them to sit in the back of the bus?

[geek tragedy]

112. Jury results:

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"Race nagging?" Off to join the Green Party? This seems inappropriate for DU...

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Jul 22, 2015, 06:06 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: "Race-nagging" plus Green Party advocacy and stated preference that Republicans win. This person should pack her bags and leave now.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Both sides in DU need to understand each other better. I don't think hiding messages like this helps. If the poster has a pattern of being disruptive they should go. If not there is over a year to smooth things out. If "the other side" can't convince this DU member of something how will they convince people who (I assume) care less about DU issues.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not the words I'd use but this has been a very disruptive week here because of this issue. Poster has an opinion - one I don't agree with and think is a bit hyperbolic and hysterical but whatever. Leave it.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't think it's hideable. Take it up with him/her in the thread.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't know about race nagging, the poster she responded to is all over DU yelling for white people to talk and listen and when they do she goes ballistic on anything they say. I think this reply to her is 100% right. White people on DU are not the enemy. I'm n ot about to hide this. Grow up and be civil.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Zorra, expected better of you. Race nagging??

Probably best that his not be hidden, so people can see the mentality on display.

[sufrommich]

115. God, that result and some of those comments are

just pathetic.

[seaglass]

126. Mob rule - it's disgusting. n/t

[sufrommich]

132. Well said. It is mob rule and with the same ugly

results that always come with it.

[randys1]

222. DU very well represents white liberals, sadly.

[gollygee]

251. Very little gets hidden anymore

And THAT is why DU is so uncivil lately.

[BainsBane]

153. How would you respond if someone said bankster nagging?

You decide discussion of racism is "nagging" because it isn't about you. Black people are being killed everyday, yet you denigrate the issue as "nagging."

[1StrongBlackMan]

188. How about if Bernie supporters were referred to as "Bernie-naggers"? ...

and for HRC supporters that don't get it ... HRC-naggers.

[John Poet]

283. Heh, that's pretty good.

Pretty accurate, too. DU is chock-full of Bernie-naggers and Hillary naggers.

That's practically all we have here.

[1StrongBlackMan]

302. But we mustn't detract from the blatantly racist implications of that ...

(race-nagging) specific phrasing, as it is a variation of "race-baiting" ... a term every (liberal) accepts as a racist characterization of expressing racial grievances (or merely talking about race in a way that makes white people uncomfortable).

[bravenak]

290. I plan on using this.

[randys1]

207. And that is how we can lose to the cons, if Bernie or Hillary supporters turn their back if

they dont get their way.

EXACTLY

[Starry Messenger]

229. That's a very fucked up thing to say, Zorra. :(

Very sad to see that from you. Truly.

[Cleita]

4. I so agree. But I hope you vote for the guy/gal that is best for you because that person

will be best for all of us.

[bravenak]

6. Thank you.

[Scootaloo]

7. See, it's shit like this...

A bizarre phenomenon has developed out of this — Bernie Sanders supporters lurking in the dark trolling shadows of Twitter to condescendingly tell black people what’s best for us inside a system designed to crush us. One person even went to so far as to call Sanders “one of the first Black Lives Matter Activists.” Others juxtapose his image with captions of Martin Luther King Jr. quotes, and thrust such egregious depictions at black Twitter users. Sanders supporters list his involvement with the civil rights movement as though they have now come to collect on his debt — black people must repay Sanders for his service by voting him into office.

That put the "twit' into "twitter."

I tremble in fear that our political discourse this season will be dominated by 140 characters or less.

Worst part is, I know damn well that I can't blame it all on dingbats "doin it 4 teh lulz lol" 'cause I keep seeing other people everywhere else doing it! Not a majority by any means, but all it takes is one dude with the winds in a crowded elevator to make the whole ride suck worse.

[bravenak]

8. Dude. It's still going on. They won't stop.

It's fucking bizzarre. I almost think that since I said DON'T DO IT. They raced to go do it. It is gonna be a long fucking year. Looooong and filled with tweets.

[Scootaloo]

11. i have a friend who argues in youtube comments.

she won't stop, no matter how much I beg her to. She's one anti-vaxxer away from a triple axe murder or something.

That adage, "don't feed the trolls" goes fourfold when in a medium that doesn't even have a pretense of moderation. and if it IS a steady flood (I don't know, I feel that if i started doing twitter i'd be doing meth next) then maybe it really is dip-ass trolls. Never underestimate the persistence of bored sociopaths.

[bravenak]

12. Omg in youtube comments? Shit! Bad habbit to pick up.

Hell I thought I was bad with the world star fetish! Maybe not so much.
I bet it will keep streaming in for a while. Some people can never let an insult stand even if it's not an insult.

[Aerows]

144. There is truth in this

[bravenak]

171. Lol!!

It's just so true!!!

[Puglover]

78. The most useful thing I have read today.

"Never underestimate the persistence of bored sociopaths." I need to remember that.

[freshwest]

97. Great quote. Desperately seeking their inner sense of humanity and coming up empty. n/t

[Aerows]

139. LMAO!

Youtube comments - my word.

[Cha]

9. "There is a history of black communities voting Democrat.. that is, when we are actually allowed to

VOTE"!

from your link..

"A bizarre phenomenon has developed out of this — Bernie Sanders supporters lurking in the dark trolling shadows of Twitter to condescendingly tell black people what’s best for us inside a system designed to crush us. One person even went to so far as to call Sanders “one of the first Black Lives Matter Activists.” Others juxtapose his image with captions of Martin Luther King Jr. quotes, and thrust such egregious depictions at black Twitter users. Sanders supporters list his involvement with the civil rights movement as though they have now come to collect on his debt — black people must repay Sanders for his service by voting him into office.

I've seen the tweets.

This is what Janessa Robinson means by "Dear white progressives: Stop telling black people how to vote".. most people get this.. but for those who don't.

Another really vital article, bravenak.. mahalo

[bravenak]

10. I hope everybody reads it and realizes that I am not crazy.

I was actually trying to stop them from screwing up and help them out. Ignoring my good free advice!! I felt offended. Maybe they'll see that I was not just trying to be an asshole.

[Cha]

14. No, you're far from "crazy" and any sane person could totally see that.. like this Bernie

supporter sees what's happening..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=465068

[bravenak]

15. Perfect.

[Cha]

19. Aloha~

[Zorra]

70. In this case, it is yelling at people who are not black, but who sincerely want to do everything

they can to help, but don't know what to do. Calling these people racists because you feel they are not helping you, but when they ask "What do you want me to do", they get no answer.

Getting threatened by "we're not going to vote for your candidate if you don't listen to me", and then listening, and listening, and listening, but not hearing anything specific about what how we can help.

Tell us to wrap ourselves in a flag on the courthouse steps and burn ourselves. Go out in the street and protest ask us to join you. Ask us to donate to the charity of your choice, just clearly let us know what you want us to do.

We're not elected officials. we don't have their power to elicit change. We try to nominate the candidates we feel will do the most to help, but they almost never get nominated. Instead vanilla corporate candidates get elected and do nothing to help. This is not the fault of Progressive Democrats, it is the fault of the people who elect the candidates who don't try to fix the problems.

When people say, "hey, what you are doing doesn't seem to be working for you, maybe try something different, try voting for the people who appear to be the ones who are most likely to help you, they get told "don't tell me how to vote".

It's like being a mouse in a maze, a catch 22, an unsolvable puzzle. And it makes me want to give up. I want to help, but obviously don't know how. I ask how can I help, but get no clear answer.

I understand African Americans are angry, You have every fucking reason to be. Non AA progressives are angry too, but people not directly by a problem can only understand and feel it to a fraction of what the oppressed people feel.

But we don't understand why African Americans are blaming us, yelling at us, threatening us, for being responsible for these conditions. Our candidates almost get nominated, so we vote for the same people you do, in the hope that at least some progress will be made.

We don't understand why you are not yelling at the republicans who are killing you and making your lives hard. We don't understand why you are not yelling at the corporatist Democrats who are not helping you. Instead, it seems you are misdirecting your anger at us.

This is causing me to want to just give up, I want to help, and try to help, and get yelled at and threatened for doing so. This makes me resigned to a fractured voting block, and a republican government. Which would be horrible for all of us.

So, please, please, if you wouldn't mind, tell me, right here and now, simply, and clearly, in plain simple language, exactly and specifically what you want non- African Americans to do to help the black community.

I work with people who can't help themselves, and who cannot speak. I do the best I can to to determine from their methods of communication what they need me to to do help them.

So please to tell me. Plain and simple.

I'm listening. But I'm really stupid. So I need you to please make it it clear, simple. and specific.

Thank you.

[luvspeas]

77. get a clue and quit waiting for other people to tell you what to do...

By asking people "what should I do" and accusing people of "nagging" (I won't use the entire phrase you used) you are not doing anything but punishing the people who refuse to give you personal validation and forgiveness-good for them. If you really cared you would get off your computer (nobody wants to read all that-btw) and do something for others because and only because you know it is the right thing to do. You should not give a flying fuck whether some person you do not even know said it was OK or not. Let them hate you. Let everybody hate you. If you are working toward something that you know is important to humanity, it simply does not matter.

[Zorra]

87. Perfect. thanks! nt

[Spazito]

141. Geez...

Your posts are NOT putting you in a positive light at all, they have been quite ugly. You do yourself and your preferred candidate a gross disservice with posts like this and the one complaining of "race nagging".

[DemocratSinceBirth]

151. Did she just suggest luvpeas is a troll?

[Spazito]

152. I took it as saying those who express the need for racial/social justice...

are trolls rather than targeting a specific poster. The troll graphic is linked with the poster's own previous post which was odd but, well, who knows as I am one of those "race nagging" posters wanting to see racial/social justice given the same primacy as economic justice.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

155. I don't know what to say...

eom

[luvspeas]

181. well if I'm a troll at least I'm a perfect one!!!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

184. If you read her magnus opus slowly she seems to be equating a whole race

If you read her magnus opus slowly she seems to be equating a whole race with special needs individuals.

[luvspeas]

186. OK, but only because some stranger on the internet told me to...

It's a good thing too because if you hadn't I would have been blaming you for her outburst. Thank you for educating me. I'm here to listen.

I don't see how you can take it. You are all very brave and strong and probably eat spinach.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

193. It was so long that I literally had to force myself to read it...

Sometimes I think the abundance of words is camouflage for the paucity of actual thought or in the alternative a camouflage for what the author actually believes.

Since this is going to be a lonnnng election season I'm Brian...If you don't want to divulge your first name that's cool...You can make one up...


PEACE

[Number23]

239. By the looks of who she's actually responding to, she just (hysterically) called HERSELF a troll

Anyone arguing with her???

[bravenak]

252. Maybe delete and apologize for your 'race nagging' comment. We are dying and in jail.

It is not nagging. We are fighting for our lives and our childrens lives. How is that nagging? It is a demand to be treated fairly and equally and to be seen. Look at me. Notice my race. It affect me everyday. Why not just join our call and not feel nagged, but instead feel called to action?

Black Lives Matter:
This is a CALL TO ACTION TO PROGRESSIVES!!!SOS!!!!SOS!!! MAYDAY MAYDAY, WE'RE SCARED TO LEAVE OUR HOMES AND THE COPS CAN JUST COME IN AND KILL US, HELP HELP HELP!!
OUR HUSBANDS ARE IN JAIL AND OUR KIDS ARE POOR, WE'RE SCARED!!


To that you say:

Race naggers!!!

I think that was a terribly unfeeling and mean response. It saddens me.

[freshwest]

100. Just the title of the article is obvious to me. Sometimes I get frustrated and say:

What? We gotta re-invent the wheel?

Anyone thinks you're being an asshole on anything can just take a dose of this:



And join the rest of the howlers on Ignore.

[lovemydog]

225. The article describes what's been happening

in America throughout its history. You're a wonderful person and a valuable voice here at DU. The problems ain't with you or with the author of that article!

[azurnoir]

25. the paragraph about Sanders has been posted x2 but the next paragraph is ignored, why?

Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton supporters practice the “it’s time we’ve had a woman president” method with black women, as if Hillary’s supposed feminism has ever been intersectional or inclusive between supporting her husband Bill Clinton’s mass incarceration policies and spewing the blasphemous “All Lives Matter” phrase in Ferguson, Missouri.

[bravenak]

26. Thanks for posting that.

I noticed it and wondered why nobody pointed it out that supoorts Bernie. Be nice for them to know he's not singled out.

[azurnoir]

27. True to a degree but there is no wide spread race baiting going on where Hillary is concerned

in part some of the twitter over kill is being done by presumably well meaning Bernie supporters defending him against charges that he is either insensitive to race if not outright racist himself

[bravenak]

29. I wish people would believe that most of us know he's not racist.

He's just not used to representing a diverse area and will get into the swing of things.

[BainsBane]

13. I think the suggestion that black people might want to vote

for anyone but Sanders is now a right-wing meme, or something. There are a whole lot of mental gymnastics going on.

[bravenak]

17. The twists and turns they pull themselves in frighten me.

Nobody can be that - strange.

[JI7]

16. one off putting thing in 2008 was how many Clinton supporters were acting like Richardson

and some others owed Clinton their support. many of them were banned from here. i remember one saying if it were not for white people like her(racist DU member who was banned) Obama and other minorities would be sweeping the floors instead of being where they are.

and even with the Clintons themselves doing the dog whistles the stuff that came out of many of those supporting them was even worse and did far more to turn off voters .

[bravenak]

18. Yep. I felt the same way last time. They turned me off big time.

I have been threatened many times this week with white people pulling their support and to go vote republican, like white folks own the party and I'm just the help. Not good. Almost as bad as last time with Hillary.

[BainsBane]

20. Fuck that shit

NO POLITICIAN should come before basic principles. They are owed NOTHING. They serve at the will of the people. They are not our superiors, and I loathe the suggestion that we have to treat them reverentially, that groups like BLM owes them an apology, or that any of us owe Clinton anything. We owe them nothing. They are asking for our votes, and we have every right to ask any and all questions of all of them.

[JI7]

24. in both cases it was the supporters who were doing it

even at the most negative level of campaigning from clinton they actually never acted like they were owed support .

and Sanders is not doing it either.

[Bobbie Jo]

66. No, Sanders isn't doing it

Sanders will come out of this just fine.

to borrow a phrase...

It's the supporters, stupid.

[stevenleser]

345. Although I will say Richardson himself admits he didn't handle that whole thing very well.

He's a great guy though.

[jtuck004]

22. I took from MLK Jr's teaching - it doesn't mattter what they say, the choice as to

how you feel, how you act, is completely up to you.

You might be surprised at how that frees your mind of Mr. Charlie, lets you think about more important things.

[bravenak]

23. Who is Mr Charlie?

[azurnoir]

28. ................

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mister_Charlie

[bravenak]

30. Oh, Miss Anne husband. Learn something new everyday. Or relearn.

[azurnoir]

37. LOl actually it was a new one for me

and I had to explain to my adult daughters why be reffered to as sunshine could be although not always racist, it's rather old time I think

[Petrushka]

32. I asked the same question --->

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mister_Charlie


Edited to add:
Oops! Looks like someone else found the answer while I was typing and previewing my initial reply.

[bravenak]

33. Lol!

I was like duh? Then I rememberd after I saw Miss Anne.

[HFRN]

135. MLK's power was in his understanding the choices to be made

one path, or the other, and that you can't have it both ways

it's why he was a leader

always thought the cartoon MLK and Obama fist bump was kind of corny, yet it is true. MLK's choices made it happen - wouldn't have happened otherwise

[vive la commune]

31. Great article

I wish people would read it and learn. I'm a Bernie supporter, and some of the stuff other Bernie supporters are saying and doing lately make me cringe. I wish they would quit doubling down on the stupid and stop alienating people. I'm sorry you and other black people have to put up with this patronizing crap. By the way, bravenak, I like your posts a lot. You're not crazy.

[bravenak]

34. Glad you liked it.

Thank you for saying that. I'm not crazy. For a while I was wondering if I was the only one seeing it.

I think they will chill out from here on out and we'll forget how bad this was. Hopefully.

[Blue_In_AK]

35. Reading this makes me glad I don't do Twitter.

I'm sorry to read this is going on out there in the Twitterverse. People may be acting out of the best of intentions in defending Sen. Sanders, but it's pretty insensitive to assume that black people can't do their own homework. Nobody likes lectures.

[bravenak]

36. I rarely tweet but I admit I like twitter, and despise twitter.

Cannot win an argument with twitter or have a serious discussion. Hopefully it will stop soon and we'll try to forget the pain.

[Skittles]

38. NO ONE likes lectures

there are FAR TO MANY OF THEM here lately

[Blue_In_AK]

160. You're right.

There is so much talking past each other, on all sides. People hearing but not listening.

[Petrushka]

39. The sub-title for Ms. Robinson's opinion piece, viz:

The left has always used black voters without truly prioritizing black issues — we're done coming through for you---tells me more than all the rest of it.

[bravenak]

42. Made me smile and hoot!

[Vattel]

41. It's nice to see people resisting the "vote for us or else you get the evil alternative" threat.

If black voters or progressive voters or Latino voters start holding the party accountable for its policies, then the party will improve. Otherwise it will continue to take part in things like mass incarceration, murderous wars, torture, spying on Americans, drug wars, ignoring structural poverty in urban neighborhoods, ignoring the welfare of any creature that isn't human, etc.

[bravenak]

43. I agree. We have to made demand not just let politicians decide everything.

They owe us their jobs, not the other way around.

[Joe Chi Minh]

44. I'm perhaps wrong, but I feel that with Bernie, you're barking up the wrong tree,

because I suspect his character, his integrity, means more to him than his political status. It would be something of a novelty for a politicians, admittedly.

Once in office, I would expect him to need no encouragement to go after the out-of-control racists, bald-headed, infesting even officialdom up to the highest levels, as they do, making a travesty of what remains of the law of your land.

[Vattel]

47. I wasn't suggesting not voting for Sanders.

It's more that I like the attitude of making politicians work to earn votes.

[Joe Chi Minh]

288. I get you.

[Vinca]

45. If you want to join a whole lot of ignorant whites and vote against your own self interest,

knock yourselves out.

[bravenak]

46. That is very paternalistic the way you talk down to me like a child.

It was discussed in the article. Don't mind my vote, mine yours. I'm grown.

[brer cat]

63. Exhibit A. nt

[Vinca]

106. Common sense is talking down to you like a child?

Give me a break. If you can't figure out that voting for a GOP candidate probably isn't in the best interest of the black community - as well as the white community - there's little I can say to you that won't evoke another nonsensical comment.

[randys1]

224. Wow did you completely miss the whole point and what is being discussed

[Dawgs]

53. Agree. n/t

[Bobbie Jo]

92. You agree with what?

Black people are like "ignorant whites" who vote against their own best interest?

Seriously, is that what you're agreeing with here?

If not, please elaborate.

[Dawgs]

116. I agree with the post above mine.

Not with anything you said.

[Bobbie Jo]

148. That's how the post read.

Was just looking for clarification with regard to your agreement.

Thanks for clearing that up...

[Dawgs]

167. You're wrong. n/t

[Bobbie Jo]

170. How so?

Is there any other way to read that post?

I'm not seeing it, that's why I asked.

[NikolaC]

134. It's responses like this that are turning people off

I'm a Carib-American woman who is also a Bernie supporter. I understand that there is some frustration over what happened over the weekend and the fact that some have been using it as an excuse to slam Senator Sanders, but he's tough and is already working on outreach. But, it's comments like yours, from people claiming to be Sanders supporters, that are turning people off because there are possible voters out there who are assuming that a lot of Bernie supporters are condescending, ignorant and myopic based upon posts, tweets, etc. from a small number of individuals claiming to support Senator Sanders.

What you stated in the antithesis of what Senator Sanders stands for and is hardly a way to reach out and inform others. There is a tone deafness going on with some so called supporters who are not listening to what others are saying about race and the serious state of emergency that POC are in.

There are some really good points in the article. POC are not monolithic and can think for ourselves. There is a wealth of information out there about the candidates, their stances and whether or not someone wants to vote for any of them, or they have concerns that they need to bring to the forefront, is up to the individual.

[Vinca]

145. I'm afraid anyone who talks about this issue and is perceived as being white

is treated with hostility. I've always advocated for AA issues, but I'm done. There are other causes deserving of my attention and where I feel my presence is welcome. So . . . go vote for a GOP candidate if you think that's in your best interest. I don't really care anymore.

[sufrommich]

147. " I've always advocated for AA issues, but I'm done"

[Vinca]

150. I'm just not talking about it anymore.

[freshwest]

319. If it helps, consider this. You are not walking around in a black body 24/7. You have the chance of

being done, but they don't. So go your way in peace and let them get down to business.

Your job is persuade white people of your concerns to make a better world. We need all the allies we can get in this world, all of us. That will require learning. At times the lesson is given softly, at other times it is given hard.

But it is necessary to keep to your core beliefs to do what you can do. But black people in this country are just as well-able and entitled to put forth things in their own way and they are feeling pretty put upon right now, in this century as they are still living with the disadvantages they have always suffered.

Relax. The world is going the way it should.

[Vinca]

329. I take your point and I imagine I will continue to advocate.

I'm afraid I feel as if I've been treated as "the enemy" when I'm the opposite. And, after reading many other posts on many other threads, it appears I'm not the only one being treated in this fashion. If even the slightest suggestion, criticism or opinion is offered, people are immediately berated because the are (assumed) not to be black. Apparently the powers of ESP allow race to appear in posts for some people. In any case, I'm burned out on the current fight with me and may delete all the posts to end it.

[BainsBane]

156. I'm not treated with hostility on the subject

but I take listening as my starting point, understanding that as a white person I have no idea of what it is like to be black in America. I certainly wouldn't presume to know what their interests are. That is something they decide, not me. When I see such comments, I realize that people are angry that African Americans, and others, aren't voting for the interests of the speaker.

Clarification: I'm not treating with hostility by most black people. I am treated with hostility by white people who don't like to hear about racism.

[NikolaC]

161. Did you read what I wrote?

Trying to get you to see that your post came across as being condescending equals me, or other POC, wanting to vote for GOP candidates? Truly tone deaf and sad.

[William769]

164. I am white and I am not treated with hostility.

I do however treat POC with respect and dignity so they treat me the same.

And who's voting for a GOP candidate? Is everyone a GOP if they are not Bernie Sanders, is that what you are saying.

The moral of my post is you get treated the way you treat people.

[ismnotwasm]

304. +100,000,000

[Cha]

317. Exactly, William! You treat people with RESPECT and they will respond in kind.. but don't go

dissin' them because they're fighting for their very lives.

If someone is done because #BlackLivesMatter then they were never with them in the first place.


Donna NoShock ?@NoShock
#BlackLivesMatter #SayHerName #SandraBland
6:42 AM - 22 Jul 2015
40 40 Retweets 15 15 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/07/22/profit-and-loss-why-blacklivesmatter-matters/

[Starry Messenger]

322. +1000

[randys1]

226. GOP, did someone here say they would vote GOP in lieu of Bernie?

p.s. your attitude is proving the point of the OP, do you not see that?

[Vinca]

230. Did you notice the title of the original post?

[randys1]

231. You mean this? Dear white progressives: Stop telling black people how to vote

where in that does it even imply that by NOT voting for YOUR candidate they are voting GOP?

[Vinca]

232. Why does that matter?

Isn't the title condescending and inhibiting of any conversation about who might or might not be a good candidate to vote for? From what I've observed, people of all colors (and I don't know how you presume to know the ethnicity of anonymous posters) are telling each other left and right who to vote or not vote for. Thus the constant Hillary v. Bernie bickering. Singling out "white progressives" irks me. I can't imagine the brouhaha if it had said "black progressives." Keep slicing and dicing and we'll be watching Scott Walker take the presidential oath.

[randys1]

233. You are the one who said Black voters are threatening to vote GOP, they are not and that

is what I responded to.

Also, if you are unable to notice that the Black people are upset and this could cause us to lose, then notice - please

or The Black People are being murdered, then notice, please

[Vinca]

235. The GOP reference was an exaggeration. Apparently you didn't get it.

My response was indignation about the "white progressives" telling black people who to vote for. We should certainly be able to opine about who we think might be more favorable on certain issues, but apparently you take great offense at any discussion of who might or might not be more beneficial regarding issues important to the black community. Trust me - at this point I don't care whether you vote at all. I'm so tired of the neverending Hillary v. Bernie fighting - especially this racially charged version - I'm wondering why I ever decided posting on DU again was a good idea.

[BooScout]

309. I thought you were done...

[geek tragedy]

261. "I've always advocated for AA issues, but I'm done. "

I doubt the accuracy of the first clause.

[bravenak]

267. Me too.

[Cha]

318. "If someone is done because #BlackLivesMatter then they were never with them in the first place."

I just posted that very thought.

[Martin Eden]

48. Walk on egg shells?

I don't have the right to tell anyone how to vote, but I would like to exercise my freedom to engage in political discourse which sometimes gets heated. Are there special rules I have to observe based on the racial identity of DU members participating in a thread? It seems condescending and prejudicial to me not to treat every person with the same level of respect and equality and regard for their intellect when engaging in discussion.

I believe the path to economic and social justice in this country requires an understanding of the history and current plight of African Americans. Being of European descent, I have to listen to better understand. This must not be ignored or neglected, any more than a blind eye should be turned to discrimination based on gender or religion. These issues have to be addressed and corrective measures taken. The American Dream has to be for everyone, or it is dead.

Making progress in social and economic justice demands more than lip service; it requires action. I think Bernie Sanders is the best candidate based on his track record and steadfast commitment to the kind of policies necessary for that progress. I also think there has been a deliberate effort to drive a wedge between Democratic voters by over-hyping perceived slights rather than focusing on actual substance.

I am not telling anyone who to vote for. I'm telling everyone who I am going to vote for, and why.

[BillZBubb]

52. Who are these white progressives?

Generalizations like this are annoying. Everyone has an OPINION about who others should vote for and reasons why. Everyone is entitled to offer their opinion. To stretch that into "telling" is absurd. Black people can AND WILL make up their own minds. They aren't going to do what they are "told" and to suggest that they might is absurd.

Also, claiming the Democratic party is one of racial indifference is offensive. The Democratic party has paid a huge political price for fighting against racism and making the country more inclusive. Has the Democratic party always done the right thing? Of course not, but the intention of ending discrimination and creating a just society is a cornerstone of Democratic belief.

[Dawgs]

55. Thank you. This shit is getting old. n/t

[randys1]

227. Yes this SHIT truly is getting old

[ladjf]

68. This post does a great job of clearing up the murky confusion

that has been consistent throughout this thread. The key statement "The Democratic Party has paid a huge price....."
Civil rights laws created and passed by Democrats caused the racist wing of the Democratic Party to defect to the Republican Party.
That terrible coalition of Republicans and "Dixiecrats" has been able to control the House, State and local governments ever since.
The Republicans have instituted numerous devices to deprive those who usually vote Democrat from voting. Republicans have done NOTHING for minorities. In fact they have "left no stones unturned" to deny them their rights.

Currently, the National awareness, sympathy and desire to do something about the horrible treatment of citizens by law enforcement personnel has never been higher. America is ready to solve this terrible situation. I don't think the solutions will come from disorganized noise or chants. It will come from sane conversations among capable and deeply concerned people.

[99Forever]

54. Dear minorities and women...

... this awful white male gets told multiple times every day who I MUST (OR ELSE!!!!) vote for, right here on this website.

Why, precisely should your experience be any different?

[Cali_Democrat]

61. Why are you calling yourself an awful white male?

[99Forever]

64. Because I get treated like one.

Just like Bernie has. Now, please proceed to pretend it doesn't happen.

[dsc]

69. wow I am white hear me whine

[Lizzie Poppet]

71. Yes, when a white person complains about anything, it' s "whining."

Golly, do I get a pass (being female...)?

[dsc]

73. I'm white too

but that poster is still a whiner extrodinaire.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

80. All I will say is that some folks true colors are showing.

eom

[99Forever]

72. Bu bye.

[Lancero]

85. Jury results, 1-6 leave. (Also, I vote this dumbest alert of the day)

On Wed Jul 22, 2015, 09:20 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Bu bye.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=468105

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Announced ignore is petty, and rude. This is inappropriate for the discourse on DU, please vote to hide this post which brings down the civility of our website

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Jul 22, 2015, 09:32 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: rather mild IMO
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not specific enough of an insult to hide. People announce that they're ignoring people all the time, and those posts are almost never hidden, unless they also contain a personal attack.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Announced ignore, or honest disclosure?

Considering that this is all he said, you can't really make that assumption - With as open ended as that statement is, I can myself think of three different things he could be meaning.

At any rate, I wouldn't consider a announced ignore to be inappropriate - I'd consider it honest disclosure, something that is in rather short supply these days. And even then, as I've pointed out he doesn't actually say that he'll be putting this person on ignore - He just says bye.

Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: both sides need to chill the hell out

[randys1]

228. Yes LOTS of whining...white males have it so hard here in America

I am used to hearing that CRAP but usually from rightwingers

Malcolm was right

“I can’t turn around without hearing about some ‘civil rights advance’! White people seem to think the black ought to be shouting ‘hallelujah’! Four hundred years the white man has had his foot-long knife in the black man’s back – and now the white man starts to wiggle the knife out, maybe six inches! The black man’s supposed to be grateful? Why, if the white man jerked the knife out, it’s still going to leave a scar!” [275]