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Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:17 AM

Right-wing media and the origins of the Bernie "doesn't care about minorities" meme.

When Black Lives Matter (BLM) disrupted a forum of progressive Democratic candidates at NRN15 this past weekend, they might not have known that they were reinforcing a racially divisive smear started by senior Washington columnists, Byron York and Charles C.W. Cook operating in the Right-wing echo chamber.

On May 27, the two published acoustically matched opinion pieces in two of the most conservative rags in America. York, the senior partner in this smear job, specializes in hit pieces against Democrats, writes for the Moonie Times spinoff, The Washington Examiner. His column was titled, "Bernie Sanders' progressive Whitopia" http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/bernie-sanders-progressive-whitopia/article/2565077. Could a racial smear across the face of Bernie's campaign possibly have been a factor in that?

Mr. York, observed with apparent deep concern for what he portrayed as the excluded minority voices in Bernie's kick-off campaign speech in Vermont a few days before. We've heard this theme repeated many times since across the web:

The startling omission was the issue of race and policing that has roiled the political debate in recent months. Ferguson, Baltimore, Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Walter Scott, Freddie Gray — none were in Sanders' speech. Allegations of police brutality and black victimization were all absent. Sanders made one brief mention of African-American unemployment and at the end of his speech offered a catch-all sentence in which he envisioned an America "where every person, no matter their race, their religion, their disability or their sexual orientation realizes the full promise of equality that is our birthright as Americans." But the racial issues that have dominated the news at various times in the past year were nowhere to be found.


Writing from his perch at the arch-conservative National Review, Cooke, the junior partner, amplified York, the Old Washington Hand. Cooke, obligingly filled in what he thinks is the answer about Sanders strategy of sticking to economic justice issues:

Why would he expend his energy critiquing the excesses of American policing when Barack Obama is in the White House and Hillary Clinton is busy condemning her own husband for the tough-on-crime policies he advocated when in office? Answer: He wouldn’t. His role in this game is to make Hillary more fiscally socialistic. Somewhere deep down, he knows that.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/418950/bernie-sanders-isnt-ignoring-race-hes-playing-his-role-perfectly-charles-c-w-cooke


So, here we have it. The origins of the racial meme used to smear Bernie is a one-two tag team played by a couple of professional Right-wing hit men. This really isn't a grassroots thing started by aggrieved minority activists at all. It's just an old-fashioned political smear started by right-wing white men. Various others, for their own reasons, have picked up on this meme and run with it.


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Response to leveymg (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:28 AM

1. As a supporter of Sanders I'd like to believe that explains it

But I think it unfortunately writes black agency out of the matter. While they might have put forward that attack; the truth is that many black Activists, including those of Black Lives Matter, have found some validity to the complaint.

Bryant

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:32 AM

2. BLM is being played by The National Review Crowd

Here's proof - this doesn't have grass roots or "black agency". It's right out of the malicious conservative Echo Chamber that produced the Swift Boaters.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:36 AM

3. Yes but implicit in that argument is that BLM is too dumb to figure things out on their own.

And I don't necessarily think that's the case.

Bryant

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:39 AM

4. A lot of people have been sucked in by this meme. It's The Blob of the '16 Campaign.

Like the Swift Boat meme, it devourers all who stay in its path.





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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:38 PM

26. Your interlocutor's raison d'etre seems to be robbing one group of agency.

eom

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #26)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:07 PM

40. I think you know exactly what you've been doing in pushing this meme for the past 2 months.

I would never say that you don't have free agency, and I wouldn't say that about anyone else either - and certainly not a wide-ranging twitter based movement like #blacklivesmatter which exists because people are responding to a real problem.

The meme that you've been promoting, that Bernie Sanders is the tone deaf paternalistic condescending (almost)racist, has legs and there's blood in the water, and you're in your glory.

I do think that you're coopting #blacklivesmatter for partisan purposes. I think that this partisan coopting of the message to attack Bernie Sanders, particularly of all politicians, is orchestrated. For saying that, I'll be accused of being a racist for whom black lives don't matter, for whom the problem doesn't matter - I'll be accused of all manner of nasty things. But you know what, at this point I don't care - because I don't think the accusers are honest, I think they're putting on a highly partisan show and that they're trying their damnedest (and succeeding) in inflaming, rather than discussing. The OP shows that certain "pundits" were on the ball on this meme from the get-go as well. That doesn't surprise me. I think those pundits have free agency as well.

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Response to delrem (Reply #40)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:18 PM

41. Six Black Lives Matter Protestors were arrested in Alabama

Six BLM Protestors were arrested in Alabama for protesting the death of another African American in custody:



HOMEWOOD, Ala. (WIAT) – Six people were arrested after around a dozen Black Lives Matter protesters gathered outside the Homewood Police Department at 7:00 a.m. Tuesday to protest the death of Kindra Chapman. The protesters chanted that they want answers explaining how Chapman died in her jail cell on July 14.

According to a press release from the Homewood Police Department, the group moved into the intersection of Highway 31 and 29th Avenue South, blocking two lanes of south-bound traffic.

http://wiat.com/2015/07/21/six-arrested-at-black-lives-matter-protest-outside-homewood-police-department


What does African Americans giving voice to their pain and petitioning for redress of their grievances have to do with undermining this candidate or that candidate?

Black Lives Matter is no less an organic movement than the NAACP, SNCC. the Black Panthers, the Urban League, et ceteradespite their ideological differences, and to suggest they aren't doesn't make a lot of sense.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #41)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:22 PM

42. Read the OP. Read DU.

Read your own posts over the past 2 months. Don't try to play innocent.

Is your response REALLY going to amount to nothing more than suggesting that I don't think black lives matter? That I don't think this is a real issue that's WAY past it's due date? Because that's not what I said, DemocratSinceBirth.

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Response to delrem (Reply #42)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:28 PM

43. Folks are conflating two separate issues...

Folks are conflating two separate issues; the lack of Success of Senator Sanders to gain traction in minority communities and the genesis of Black Lives Matter. There isn't a scintilla of evidence they aren't an organic civil rights group, just like every civil rights group that preceded it, regardless of their approach and ideological stance.

Some folks, not you, are suggesting they are GOP plants. Do folks realize how insulting that sounds?

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #43)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:38 PM

44. YOU conflate the issues.

And it's been your go-to meme for the past 2 months.

Fact is that Sanders was a relative unknown (part of the progressive backwater) across the board before deciding to run.
It's YOU that focus on a "lack of traction in minority communities" meme, starting right out by blaming him for the demographics of Vermont, for the optics of crowd pics, etc. And never stopping for a minute. So even the so-called "failure to gain traction in minority communities" is just your highly partisan meme, and now you're deliberately conflating that into a "Bernie doesn't care" zone, using the NN15 #blacklivesmatter protest as launching board.

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Response to delrem (Reply #44)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:49 PM

47. What is the topic of this thread?

Bernie Sanders has failed to gain traction in the minority community. That's an empirical observation and not a normative one. Black Lives Matter is an organic group. That's an empirical observation and not a normative one.

And nobody is suggesting or at least not a lot of people are suggesting Senator Sanders doesn't care about black people. That's a convenient straw man.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #47)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:57 PM

49. Out of fairness, you have the last word in this conversation.

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Response to delrem (Reply #49)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:58 PM

51. Peace and best wishes./nt

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Response to delrem (Reply #44)

Wed Jul 22, 2015, 07:52 PM

110. It's not a meme that Bernie Sanders is not getting the support of minority communities

 

Poll after poll after poll says that. Whatever the reason, it's true.

I personally think Sanders cares a great deal about the minority communities based on his long standing support for economic inequality and things like marching in the Civil Rights Movement. But to say that it's just a meme that he hasn't been able to translate that into electoral support from minorities to minimize the impact that has on his odds of getting the nomination.

I don't blame Sanders for the demographics of Vermont, or even the demographics of his rallies as the latter is just reflective of his polling. He's most popular among white liberals. Shockingly that is who by in large turns out at his rallies.

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Response to delrem (Reply #40)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:33 PM

93. I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees this

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:09 PM

57. They will also need to figure out that they will be -- or have been -- infiltrated by the police

 

(whether that's locals, the FBI, or whomever). We've seen this before in movement politics.

So they will need to vet all internal suggestions about strategies and tactics accordingly. It's a sign of the group's burgeoning success in getting these issues into the national dialogue. When that happens, the other side axiomatically pushes back, often in clandestine ways.

Saw exactly this playbook used in environmental and anti-nuke groups in the 80's, when they were gaining ground under Reagan....

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Response to leveymg (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:42 PM

28. They are being suckered and the "Hill People" are piling on and loving

it.

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Response to leveymg (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:44 AM

5. Thanks for identifying Cooke as well.

Excellent. Recommended.

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Response to leveymg (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:02 AM

6. I think the swiftboating is coming from many sources.

 

Gutierrez's ridiculous remark about not knowing whether Sanders liked immigrants helped to inspire media idiots like Joan Walsh to jump on the bandwagon. And once Sanders' supporters started to defend his record on race, it was easy for people to then attack them for being insensitive to the concerns being raised.

I also think that some legitimately questioned whether Sanders was giving enough attention to certain issues of race. Immigration issues are hugely important to me, and so early on I naturally wanted to hear a bit more about them. I also felt that all of the candidates were not talking enough about investing in poor urban neighborhoods and otherwise fighting for racial equality in educational and economic opportunity. I certainly have no problem with advising Sanders to focus more on issues of race, and Sanders has recently been talking more about those issues. I don't agree with everything he says, but I think he is by far the best candidate on the race issues. (I think O'Malley has been terrific on immigration issues.)

I am sad that many at DU have been participating in the swiftboating of Sanders. I hope it fails, but politics is an irrational beast that can easily chew up a good candidate.

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Response to Vattel (Reply #6)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:06 AM

7. Guittierez followed York and Cooke. I agree, this meme got picked up by others

Guittierez played his part in this on June 11 when he appeared on the glasses and suspenders guy show, who coaxed Luis through it.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/244696-house-dem-im-not-sure-bernie-sanders-likes-immigrants

Even the WaPo is amplifying this now. But, origins are important to understanding the trajectory.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:07 AM

8. Okay, I see your point.

 

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Response to Vattel (Reply #6)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:08 AM

10. Nice post.

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Response to leveymg (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:07 AM

9. That which doesn't break you, makes you stronger.

Bernie is a STRONG candidate and his campaign will not be broken that easily.

He knows or will quickly learn what to do.

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #9)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:10 AM

11. I hope you are right.

 

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Response to leveymg (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:10 AM

12. .

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Response to mmonk (Reply #12)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 12:07 PM

13. Thanks again! Question:

Do you recall this level of organized concern trolling in 2004 and 2008? I don't. Somebody has a lot of resources to throw into the game this time.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #13)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 12:47 PM

14. We can probably thank Citizens United for that.

 

A Super-PAC can spend their money on pretty much anything.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #13)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 12:51 PM

15. I have to admit, not from such a wide spectrum.

Usually it's just from a smaller amount of agitators or suspects. It's the power of money no doubt.

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Response to leveymg (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 01:16 PM

16. Ouch, that is pretty sleezy.

Last edited Tue Jul 21, 2015, 02:23 PM - Edit history (1)

Expected from scum like them, but to see it amplified by Democrats is tragic.

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Response to blackspade (Reply #16)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 02:01 PM

17. Exactly the point. Before folks smear another Dem, be aware the meme originated in the GOP.

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Response to leveymg (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 03:40 PM

18. This has been up for 6 hours or so and the usual people on DU pushing this meme are absent

Crickets.

Conspicuously absent from this thread.

Thanks for the research Mark!

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #18)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:01 PM

21. My pleasure, kind sir.

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #18)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:09 PM

23. They're probably absent because for the last couple

of days others have been trying to tell any one who accuses #blacklivesmatter of A. Being stooges for someone else or B.Being too stupid to realize they're being stooges for someone else, is being horribly ignorant. It's been pointed out over and over again and some are obviously never going to understand why these accusations are cringeworthy nonsense.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #23)

Wed Jul 22, 2015, 07:57 PM

111. Yep. They don't really get it at all. nt

 

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Response to leveymg (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 03:58 PM

19. Back in March of 2015 ... something else happened ... do you know what it was?

I'll help you.

Black Lives Matter Protesters Interrupt Obama In Selma

by Alice Ollstein Mar 7, 2015 4:14pm

SELMA, ALABAMA — On Saturday, President Obama spoke at the foot of the Edmund Pettus Bridge on the 50th anniversary of the attack on voting rights protesters known as Bloody Sunday.

“Our march is not yet finished, but we are getting closer,” he said. ” If Selma taught us anything, it’s that our work is never done – the American experiment in self-government gives work and purpose to each generation.”

As he spoke, a group of protesters wearing shirts with airbrushed portraits of those killed by police started banging on drums and chanted, “Ferguson is here. We want change!” and “This is what democracy looks like.”

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/03/07/3631178/black-lives-matter-protesters-interrupt-obama-selma/


And so ... how did the RW orchestrate this "attack" by BLM on Obama, which occurred more than two months before the date you select as the starting point?

More than 2 months before the date you selected, BLM was already protesting Democratic leaders.

So clearly its a conspiracy. A conspiracy with a time machine.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #19)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 05:59 PM

20. Reading comprehension is important

Please go back and review the OP. I said this, and only this: we can trace the slanderous, inaccurate meme -- Sanders doesn't care enough about minorities -- back to the columns of May 27 posted in two Conservative Echo Chamber publications by two well-known, established RW ideologists. I said nothing about the genesis of BLM. I also said that BLM may not even be aware of the origins of the meme - that's in paragraph 1, in case you need an EZ readers map.

Repeat after me: Reading comprehension is important. Reading comprehension is important. Reading comprehension is important.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #20)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:33 PM

25. BLM clearly started to target Democrats before the date you pick.

Hell, if I want to, I can find some RW source that says almost anything about any Dem candidate. And for all you know, the RW authors you found saw the folks who heckled Obama and thought, "Hey, that's a neat idea, lets go after Bernie."

And there's the problem you have.

You have developed a conspiracy theory, and then sought out some confirmation in the RW, and then *GASP* found some. Of course your theory ignores the fact that O'Malley took just as much heat as Bernie did and no one wrote about him.

And you've done all this in an effort to dismiss the some very real concerns that African Americans are raising. Rather than listen to them, you've come up with a convenient way to ignore them.

Great plan.

If Bernie adopts it, his numbers with the AA community will definitely soar.





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Response to leveymg (Reply #20)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:43 PM

29. Here is an interesting OP for you to read and comprehend ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026614014

Check the date on that OP ... the issue of social justice verses economic justice, and Bernie's focus on only one, being discussed on DU well before the article you reference.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #29)

Wed Jul 22, 2015, 09:01 AM

104. We can walk the cat back even further, here's something related from Aug. 17, 2014

http://bernardgoldberg.com/elite-liberal-softer-gentler-kind-racism/

It’s pretty much the same when blacks kill blacks, isn’t it? It happens all the time in big cities like Chicago. No one riots because a black kid killed a black kid. National news organizations don’t show up to do live shots day and night. It’s as if we’re saying: “Blacks killing one another is what blacks do best.” How’s that for racism! Not the old fashioned KKK kind. No, this is elite liberal racism, the supposedly softer variety.

And Al Sharpton doesn’t jump on a plane to show up when a black thug kills a white victim. He’s not in business to protest that kind of crime. Some people just can’t get past the bad old days. They need to feel that America is still a simmering racist country. They need to feel that black kids are being hunted down like rabid dogs by modern day Bull Connors. In a perverse way, it makes them feel good – maybe “relevant” is a better word – to think that nothing has changed in America since the March on Selma.
- See more at: http://bernardgoldberg.com/elite-liberal-softer-gentler-kind-racism/#sthash.ZfH6mFcx.dpuf

Oops, Bernie Goldberg is yet another Fox News guy.


Looks like we're still headed in the right direction to find the origins of the meme.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #104)

Wed Jul 22, 2015, 09:09 AM

106. Except there is no direct connection from this Bernie to DU or BLM.

I posted an actual DU thread (there are many others if you look) on this topic that predate your "birth of a conspiracy" date.

I just posted this a few minutes ago ... not that I think you will get it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=467989



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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #106)

Wed Jul 22, 2015, 09:39 AM

107. I don't think we're talking about the same thing.

As I explained to you above, the OP is about the genesis of a political smear against Bernie and (more generally) against progressive Democrats. The Goldberg piece from last year I just posted upthread was his twisted critique about "elite liberal racism" in the media response to Ferguson.

Goldberg is a Fox News contributor. He was out to make a propaganda point that Rev. Al and "elite liberals" don't really care about the deaths of young AAs and really get some kind of kick out of it. He calls that "elite liberal racism." I call that twisted viewpoint racist. Goldberg expresses an embryonic version of the same racist RW meme, progressives "doesn't really care about minorities", pre-Bernie Sanders.

Whatever you're talking about isn't really on the same topic.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #107)

Wed Jul 22, 2015, 09:48 AM

108. I simply do not see Bernie being smeared.

I've seen people say that his focus on economic inequality does not address social justice, and can be perceived as a replacement for it.

Given what I see people post about Obama and Hillary, Bernie is miles and miles from being smeared. The worst that is happening, is he is being pressured to state the distinction between these two topics clearly. I suspect each of the Dem candidate will be pressured to do so.

Given his record, he should be able to make some straightforward adjustments, and be fine.

Goldberg is a racist ass. That's obvious.

But having said that, from what I'm seeing, there is a blind spot on the left.

Bernie gets heckled once, and some of his supporters lose their minds.

When some one calls Bernie a "Fucking used car salesman", or a "whore", and lots and lots of folks defend that, then we can discuss him being smeared or attacked unfairly.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #19)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:05 PM

54. And Obama handled it spectacularly, as usual - no deer in the headlights look.

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Response to George II (Reply #54)

Wed Jul 22, 2015, 07:36 AM

100. Maybe, but that's not my point ...

... my point simply is that this particular concern was already out there, before the date the OP picks as they date on which the conspiracy begins.

And it doesn't take long to find the same concern being raised with regard to how Bernie frames things, right here on DU, in posts that predate the OP's referenced date.

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Response to leveymg (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:01 PM

22. Who does the meme most benefit. n/t

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Response to Skwmom (Reply #22)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:27 PM

24. Easy to tell here: look who's doing the gloating, while the rest of us are just appalled.

The former group are making themselves obnoxiously obvious. Mostly, just plain obnoxious.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #24)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:03 PM

53. I can tell you who your post and this argument harms the most

Bernie Sanders.

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Response to leveymg (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:39 PM

27. Lol!

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #27)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:44 PM

30. It's evocative of J Edgar Hoover of accusing Dr. King being a pawn of the communists./nt

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #30)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:47 PM

31. He put it on Kos too I think. Lol!

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #31)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:50 PM

32. I don't want to get a hide but it is repugnant to suggest black folks can't do things on their own.

It infantalizes an entire race of people. (SIGH)

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #32)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:52 PM

33. Well Soros and my avatar and Lee Atwater are planning a coup to install Hillary as Queen. Srsly.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #33)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:54 PM

34. The sad thing is the young woman who heads BLM said why she did what she did.

Why are they ignoring her?


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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #34)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:56 PM

35. Straight up selfish. That's why. I'll be a Targaryan soon and burn them for us. Get me a dragon.

 

Then they'll regret what they're doing.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #35)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:01 PM

36. Res ipsa loquitur

Q: Why'd you guys do it?...
A: We just lost another one of our sisters, Sandra Bland, in police custody....

We are deeply disturbed...that law enforcement continues to brutalize and kill our communities, and get away with it.

Today's action was about calling out elected officials who may seem progressive, that you're progressive is not enough. We need more...

This is our moment...

If Ella Baker, Assata Shakur, and Martin Luther King stood silent, we would not be in this current moment today.

Q: If you don't talk about it, it doesn't exist, right?

A: Yes...

Q: Not talking about racism, not doing anything about racism - we as progressives, as Democrats, can sit around and say, "That's great." But unless you take the flag down, unless you restore the Voting Rights Act, do all these things that you're supposed to be doing, that should have been done for decades, it's not going to change...

A: When we shut an action like this down, we want you to stand in solidarity with us. For media, we want you to tell our stories the way we want them told. When law enforcement gives you police reports on our past convictions, we don't want that to be the headline, coupled with, "that's probably why we were killed." There's a way in which we need to shift narratives in this current moment. There needs to be a radical shift in the narrative of black people and our stories, and there needs to be a radical solidarity with us.

This action shouldn't be something that's annoying. People should be proud to be a part of this time in history. The Confederate flag has been taken down. When new black leaders are rising up and saying, "Stop killing us."

This is our moment to shine, and people should feel honored....

I want to make a specific ask to the presidential candidates, specifically the Democrats who are trying to reach into poor communities, people in black and latino communities. Your reform efforts have to be much more radical.

We need to hear that you are going to end detentions. We need to hear that you are going to ensure that ICE is out of jails. We need to hear that you are going to make sure that the one million black people who are currently living inside of US jails and prisons, that there are going to be real reform efforts to get them to be able to vote, that they will be able to have jobs when they come home.

We want to hear that you are going to divest from law enforcement, you're going to divest from the militarization of law enforcement, that you're going to put money into poor communities. We're not hearing that right now. We're hearing a lot of jibber-jabber.

I know that Senator Bernie Sanders left the stage. But it should not feel easy to get our vote. You need to fight for our vote. And we need the media to be pressuring these presidential candidates and fighting for the people's vote.

Q: Are you going to be going after Republicans?

A: We'll be going after Republicans, sure. But we always go after Republicans. Right now we also have to be going after Democrats.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #36)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:03 PM

37. Amen.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #37)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:05 PM

38. It's a mutually exclusive proposition.

Either you believe Patrisse Cullors is either sincere or a pawn.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #38)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:07 PM

39. Exactly. They say pawn otherwise they might have some work to do.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #33)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:25 PM

65. Who profits and who gets a pass makes anyone wonder.

Disrupting the debates doesn't hurt the one who wants as few as possible and running the most hands off scripted campaign in my recollection.

If the heat gets turned on those with the real juice in a way that turns up the heat in their kitchen then square deal, nothing but respect but if the hands off to token pressure with weak ass passes and excuses goes on then I don't give a fuck what the intentions were, I'm going to know it was an effort against my best interests and no I don't think anybody was to worried about my life mattering so much after all.

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #65)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:32 PM

66. I cannot talk to you when you are like this.

 

I have gotten about 17,000,000 angry posts and messages from supporters of a certain candidate in the past few days. I refuse to lose respect for you by having a nasty exchange right now.

When a group of people attack my people, people fighting for my right to live, good black women who work their asses off and say all types of racist crap, I cannot just sit there and go along to get along and worry about my pocketbook.

Been getting called a pawn and a useful idiot is not conducive to making me receptive towards their candidate at all. They post shit like this all day:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026995434#post34

Not having that. Nope.

So, if you have something to say, come at me as an equal, do not set trip to defend your candidate. I have been dealing with it all weekend, so no.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #66)

Wed Jul 22, 2015, 08:27 AM

101. I'm reserving judgment but I will be judging almost surely one way or the other

and I'd like to know what bullet exemption I might have, I've had the pistol pointed at my head at point blank range when a sneeze could end it all.
I might be on the fairer side but ain't been missed my DWB and WWB quotas, every time an opportunity for something to go way wrong real quick or find my way in the maw of the system with no lifeline out but my life still matters after the pig holsters his pistol too.

Money? Money is power, the entire society is structured around it. Shit, you better have some to at least try to buy you some justice and some nice conservative threads when you have to appear if they try to suck you in. You better be able to get out and into that suit rather than be brought in chained in orange bare minimum or the odds will definitely not be in your favor but you better have a residence, some kind of decent job, and a respectable mouthpiece or you are probably fucked especially as a black man.

Who are all of these powerful and influential destitute people living long reasonably happy lives able to give the children better?

Look at the influence on and outright capture of government which filters down to the schools, healthcare, private prisons, resource allocation. How many suffer and die here and around the world as a result?
Yeah, money matters. It isn't always the only factor and no doubt the black of the skin will be seen before the green in the wallet but it always improves the odds including limiting encounters and coming out of them free and whole when you have them.

That said, the matter is critical and when the establishment is thrown really into the fire then I'll be inclined to believe it is being taken seriously.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #32)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:33 PM

67. I agree completely

The article that keeps getting posted every other day that claims leftists are getting their anti Hillary stuff from the right is equally as repugnant!

"How Those Anti-Hillary Lefties Are Being Trolled By The Right"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=464650

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Response to bravenak (Reply #27)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:52 PM

48. It's amazing you can keep a sense of humor in the face of this

Because it sickens me.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #48)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:58 PM

50. Can't cry. Be crying till i'm dead. Used to this shit girl. Hell, i've been called nigger by a guy

 

sporting an Obama bumper sticker and one of those christian fushy things on the window. People are fucked up. Gotta laugh. Fuck em girl. Can't bring me down.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #50)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:02 PM

52. Yeah, I suppose you have to be tough as nails

to survive in this country. My privilege is such that I don't see it except when I read shit like this, and it makes me especially sick that they pretend there is something leftist about it.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #52)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:08 PM

56. my husband scares most of the worst ones away. He's BIG. They be looking sheepish.

 

This nation is just sick. Will be for a long time. Look at how we were founded! No chance really for anything much better with this history.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #56)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:15 PM

59. Now we know

all this hearkening back to bygone eras wasn't inadvertent.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #59)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:18 PM

60. They miss it so much.

 

I imagine they see themselves as those suave, brave, noble Cavaliers from 'Gone With The Wind'. I wish I had a time machine and could send them there, where they'll be comfortable.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #27)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:59 AM

116. I blame Obama! n/t

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Response to bravenak (Reply #119)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:46 AM

124. The picnic guy blames Obama! For you:



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Response to leveymg (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:41 PM

45. Thanks for pointing this out. Recommended.

 

And this doesn't fit anywhere else, but Byron York looks like a goon.

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Response to leveymg (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:48 PM

46. Black Lives matter is a real leftist movement

Led by activists who work to see that government officials take seriously the epidemic of violence against African Americans. They predate the episode in Netroots and they predate May 27. They have been active since Ferguson. Dressing up your determination to silence large portions of the American public in the guise of some critique of right-wing media is far from convincing. Black Lives Matter are not the ones advancing the idea that the people have no right to question their elected officials. They are not the ones advancing the notion that only people like you deserve a say in democracy.

The only thing right-wing is the continual dismissal of leftist activists and insults to black members of this site who have the audacity to speak about their concerns are like Lee Atwater. Your post is shameful. You have already had two posts hidden for your reverse racism insults to African American members on this site, calling them "Lee Atwater" because they have the nerve to speak on this site about issues they care about.


It is inconceivable to me that you can actually think you are helping Sanders with this bullshit. You want to pretend anyone who questions an elected representative is a right-wing plant. What version of leftism works to discredit social activism? What version of leftism seeks to muzzle the people in deference to a leader you would have treated more like a monarch than a candidate? What version of leftism insists only a small minority matter and that anyone but people exactly like you are right-wing plants? If anyone is responsible for any association with the Sanders candidacy and lack of concern for black people, it is people like you.

Your post is offensive and hateful. It is utterly shameful. With supporters like you, Sanders doesn't need detractors. His campaign risks an early death, and you have no one but yourselves to blame.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #46)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:07 PM

55. Says the Hillary Supporter

 

Who has been attacking Bernie and his DU supporters for many weeks now ...

Your 'concern' for the quality of your opponents supporters is noted ...

It's not like we have forgotten ...

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Response to Trajan (Reply #55)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:14 PM

58. Does racial equality and leftist activism mean nothing to you?

Is there no principle at all? Is everything subsumed to promote a politician's career? How is it you all care about nothing but politicians? I can't care about leftist activism or equality because I am part of the 86% of the Democratic electorate who doesn't support Sanders? You can come up with every excuse in the world for why no one but yourselves matters, and it does your candidate and most of y'alls integrity no favors. No issue, no principle, no rights matter. Nothing. Argue that African Americans are right wing plants. But then. . . Perhaps it isn't a forsaking of principle at all. Perhaps it is simply that we are finally seeing who people have been all along. Whatever it is, it is not Democratic, democratic, liberal, leftist or progressive. Far from it.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #58)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:43 PM

94. There trying poorly to make this about Hillary.. having no clue that everyone I know was behind

#BlackLivesMatters.. and, speaking for myself.. way before I supported her.

Compelling post, Bains.. thank you.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #58)

Wed Jul 22, 2015, 12:57 AM

97. There is so much fail in this thread

that I don't even know where to begin. Thanks to you and bravenak for shining a light in some dark places.

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Response to leveymg (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:24 PM

61. I knew this came from the Right Wing somewhere. Like the man said:

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Response to leveymg (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:42 PM

62. Here are your right-wing memes

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Michael Laray Dozer
Bakersfield, CA: Dozer was allegedly acting erratically at a gas station when he walked towards an officer. Finding him to appear "aggressive," the officer shot and killed him.

He was 26 years old.

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Baytown, TX: A woman called 911 to report that Gregoire had kicked in her back door, which may have been his own residence, and attacked her with a pole. He reportedly left and returned again. Deputy Bradley Hasley spotted Gregoire exiting the house and tasered him. Gregoire fell, reportedly removed the probes and then allegedly "charged" Bradley, who then tasered him again. When EMS arrived to treat the woman, Hasley says he noticed Gregoire appeared "unresponsive." He was transported to the hospital where he was pronounced dead.

He was 26 years old.

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George V. King
Baltimore, MD: King spent the night in the hospital for a reaction to dental work medication. After an unknown procedure, and possibly taking Keppra the next day, King allegedly became "agitated and combative" about not being immediately released. Two officers arrived and tasered King once while 5-10 hospital workers tried to secure him to a gurney. He resisted, was drive-stunned four times, and was given a sedative. He suffered a cardiac arrest, went into a coma and died 7-8 days later.

He was 19 years old.
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Dominique Franklin Jr.
Chicago, IL: Police pursued Franklin after suspecting him of robbing a store. They tasered him twice, causing him to fall headfirst into a streetlight. Franklin died several weeks later.

He was 23 years old.

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Emerson Clayton Jr.
Alexander City, AL: An officer responding to calls of a fight at a local restaurant found Clayton in his car and revving the engine. The officer fatally shot Clayton, and was later cleared of wrongdoing by a grand jury despite significant protests.

He was 21 years old.
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Rondre Lamar Hornbeak
Ardmore, OK: Police were called for a domestic assault. Hornbeak was arrested and was transported to jail. Upon arrival Hornbeak was unresponsive. Rondre’s passion for life was his family. He was an aide to them in every way possible.

He was 38 years old.
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Tommy Yancy
Imperial, CA: Five California Highway Patrolmen pulled Tommy over for a missing front license plate. They attacked him with a K9 unit, tasered him, and then beat him to death.

He was 32 years old.

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Barnesville, GA: An on-duty officer struck Justin Sullivan and Quentin Byrd as the two were crossing a highway around 1 a.m. The officer was treated for injuries at a nearby hospital.

Quentin was 21 years old.

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Yvette Smith
Bastrop, TX: Bastrop deputies responded to a 911 call regarding gunshots. Yvette was shot when coming out the door at the direction of the police. They may have believed she had a gun, though she did not. The Sheriff's department initially claimed that she was disregarding officer commands, but later retracted that statement. The officer has been indicted.

She was 47 years old.


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John H. Crawford III
Beavercreek, OH: Crawford was killed after police were called into a Wal-Mart for reports of a man walking through the store with a rifle. It wasn't a real gun but a BB gun from the store.

He was 22 years old.

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Tamir E. Rice
Cleveland, OH: Tamir was in a park playing with a BB gun. A caller reported that a male was point a pistol at random people, stating twice that the gun was "probably fake". Police pulled up within 10 feet from Tamir and shot him two seconds later in the abdomen. Neither officer administered first aid, instead arresting Tamir's sister who rushed to his aid. Tamir didn't receive first aid until four minutes later from a deputy who was nearby. He died soon after.

He was 12 years old.

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Tanisha Anderson
Cleveland, OH: Anderson suffered from schizophrenia, and officers agreed with the family that she should be taken to a medical center for evaluation. When officers cuffed Anderson and tried to place her inside their vehicle she allegedly resisted. Officers then tasered her and tackled her to the ground, forcing her head onto the ground. Anderson became unresponsive and was pronounced dead at the hospital.

She was 37 years old.

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Zikarious Flint
Columbus, GA: Campus police received reports that Flint was seen loading a gun. Officers responded and Flint fled on foot. Officers fatally shot him in the back and the back of the neck. Flint turned out to be unarmed.

He was 20 years old.

Charles Goodridge
Cypress, TX: Off-duty deputy constable Francisco Ruiz was working security for his apartment complex and encountered Goodridge, unarmed and walking on the property where he had lived for nine years until recently evicted. Ruiz says he attempted to arrest Goodridge for allegedly trespassing. Witness David Hall says that Goodridge pushed Ruiz away. The deputy says he chased him and there was a scuffle. He then shot Goodridge twice in the stomach.

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He was 53 years old.

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Christopher McCray
Fayetteville, NC: McCray ran into the road on the highway around 8pm and a trooper hit him with his car.

He was 17 years old.

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Juan May
Duncanville, TX: May was shot by an off-duty police sergeant after the two got in an argument and then a fight in the parking lot of a restaurant. The shooting is still under investigation, but the sergeant has returned to work.

He was 45 years old.

http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/unarmedprofiles/f6evfkmei9c0s336oqwpchii3sluqy

Jacqueline Nichols
Flint, MI: An officer was in pursuit of a suspect when he ran a stop sign and collided with Nichols' vehicle, killing Nichols.

She was 64 years old.


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Methuen, MA: A 19-year-veteran of the local police was not only drunk during his head-on collision, unlicensed, with an open container and drunk-driving priors, but witnesses saw him trying to flee the scene, then he provided a false name to an investigator in another department. Paula died in the crash and his sister was seriously injured. The officer was charged with felony motor-vehicle homicide and lesser charges.

He was 26 years old.


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Vernicia Woodard
Hapeville, GA: Woodard was fatally shot multiple times by her former boyfriend, an Atlanta police officer named Tahreem Zeus Rana. After being caught trying to fly to Mexico, Rana faced charges of murder, kidnapping, and a charge of arson for setting Woodard's dead body on fire in an attempt to obscure evidence.

She was 26 years old.


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Cameron Tillman
Houma, LA: Police received call that armed individuals had entered an abandoned house. When they knocked on the door, Cameron Tillman, a high school freshman and talented athlete with a 3.7 grade point average opened the door and was shot four or five times. The local sheriff said Cameron came to the door with a gun in his hand, but that was later changed to say a BB gun was found "in close proximity" to his body. The teens say the BB gun was on the table.

Cameron was alive for at least 45 minutes, according to the family's lawyer. But the police offered no medical assistance. The investigation is ongoing, but two months on, the four other boys in the house say they still haven't been interviewed.

He was 14 years old.

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Jordan Baker
Houston, TX: An officer saw Baker riding his bike through Northwest Houston strip mall parking lot and looking into local businesses. Mistaking him for a robber, the officer approached Jordan and asked to see his identification. Jordan allegedly 'scuffled' with the officer and ran away. The officer chased Jordan, cornered him in an alley and then shot and killed him claiming Jordan had charged at him. "Jordan does everything for his son. His son is his life," his mother said after his death. The officer was later cleared of all wrongdoing by a grand jury.

He was 26 years old.

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David Andre Scott
Jacksonville, FL: David was shot 21 times after he came out of an apartment building holding what SWAT team members thought was a gun. Officers say the object David Scott was holding was actually a box stuffed in a black sock.

He was 28 years old.

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Latandra Ellington
Ocala, FL: Latandra Ellington, an inmate at the time, turned up dead 10 days after writing a letter to her aunt that detailed how a Lowell corrections officer — she knew him only as “Sgt. Q” — had repeatedly threatened to beat and kill her.

She was 36 years old.


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Rumain Brisbon
Phoenix, AZ: Police looking for a burglary suspect approached Brisbon, who fled on foot. When caught, Brisbon reached into his pocket. Believing Brisbon to possess a gun in his pocket, the officer fired two shots. The item in Brisbon's pocket turned out to be a bottle of pills.

He was 34 years old.

And many, many more.
http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/unarmed/

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #62)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:44 PM

63. I have been here over twelve years and that's the most powerful post I have ever seen.

Black men and women aren't memes.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #62)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:47 PM

64. thank you for that

Much needed perspective.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #62)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:39 PM

68. The only way to stop these horrors is to elect Bernie Sanders.

The photos you posted are of victims of the right wing.

The meme begun by the right wing is that Bernie doesn't get it.

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Response to Zorra (Reply #68)

Wed Jul 22, 2015, 03:52 AM

98. Thanks, seems pretty obvious

And it isn't necessarily the RW, it's the monied wing, that is trying to rule Americal as an illegitimate government, which has been captured by monied interests and no longer even tries to represent the will of its constitutents.

With this illegitimacy comes a growing police state to keep the a lid on things. Both parties are captured by these forces, Sanders not so much. It's a pity people can't figure this out.

POsts like the one you respoded to imply that we don't care about the people killed by the police state. Nothing could be further from the truth, which is why this whole false meme is so abhorrent, and so tragically misplaced.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #62)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:53 PM

69. Never have so many victims been so misused to benefit the

Right-wing swift boaters that abused them.

This RW racist campaign against Sanders is just evil.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #69)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:13 PM

70. I don't think it's all or nothing but i do believe there is an orchestrated effort being made.

It needn't be overt, just a good push on a boulder and it starts rolling fast. Few look for the pusher, but that's where the onus lies.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #69)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:39 PM

77. The campaign against Sanders

Is being carried out by you and those who call the Black Lives Matters movement "evil" and treat it with derision.

We are to believe you think them evil because they staged a protest in the presence of Sanders, someone you believe should not be challenged or questioned by the people he seeks to represent. This kind of response can only drive away voters, and it is inconceivable to me that you don't understand that.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #69)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:54 PM

82. After the birther bullshit and the Rev. Wright "controversy", are you surprised?

Apparently the lesson taken from 2008 is that you need to lie bigger.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #69)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:07 PM

85. . .

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #62)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:07 PM

86. The meme isn't the black people being killed by pigs...we all know this is true.

 

The meme is that Bernie Sanders is, at best, tone deaf to the needs of the black community. And that's just not true.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #62)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:05 AM

118. 'God have mercy on us' does not apply to those who allow this to go on. n/t

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Response to leveymg (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:17 PM

71. She is not a meme

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #71)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:25 PM

72. No one said, or implied, that she was. You are unethically twisting the OP to suit

perverse propaganda purposes. It's shameful to use her photo in that way.

There is no correlation between your post and the OP whatsoever.

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Response to Zorra (Reply #72)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:31 PM

73. I don't need to be lectured by you.

The OP is suggesting black people lack agency. Malcolm X must be rolling over in his grave for you to enlist him in your calumny.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #73)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:36 PM

74. Sigh.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #74)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:37 PM

75. It would help if people read Malcolm before appropriating him.

eom

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #75)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:38 PM

76. Random quotes fill the need on the internet - MLK Jr. 1962

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #76)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:41 PM

78. I am tired from all this. I can't imagine how tired you must be...

Exponentially more tired I presume


Love ya,


DSB

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #78)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:43 PM

79. Hell yeah. Been sleepy for 3 days.

 

Gotta be the last day.

Much love,
Bravenak the Queen Bee

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #73)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:48 PM

80. "But the only way to stop the RIGHT WING meme of black people fighting for our causes is to elect

Bernie Sanders!"

But somehow according to these people, YOU are the one politicizing those black people's deaths!

Did I SERIOUSLY just read this shit here?

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Response to Number23 (Reply #80)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:52 PM

81. Why was Black Lives Matter an organic movement on Saturday and right wing pawns on Sunday?

What is the intervening event?

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #81)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:08 PM

87. Exactly! Not that most of these people ever cared about BLM anyway.

But not caring about something or thinking it's "nice" in an abstract way becomes all too different once this same group has the nerve to actually demand that your guy who is running for president of the FUCKING NATION actually address their issues.

Then it's not so "abstract" anymore, huh? Suddenly this group you really didn't give two shits about becomes Public Enemy Number One. And it doesn't matter how revolting, bigoted or horrible you make yourself look in the process, these people MUST be discredited and their cause MUST be trampled in the mud, no matter that their issues are THE TOP PRIORITIES for the party that your guy wants to be the candidate for president for.

And let's trash these people, accuse them of being stupid, of being Republicans, accuse them of whatever mindless bullshit we can think of all while complaining that OUR GUY is the one being swiftboated. I've said it before, these people have lost their fucking minds.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #71)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:57 PM

83. Nor has that anything to do with the OP.

It has NOTHING to do with the "Bernie doesn't care about minorities" meme being promoted.
Or the wholesale smearing of Sanders' supporters.

And I say again, you know that.
You know what you're doing.

And it's WRONG.
It's NOT HELPFUL. It's intended to inflame.

Please stop.

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Response to delrem (Reply #83)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:59 PM

84. Right-wing media and the origins of the Bernie "doesn't care about minorities" meme.


The title of this thread:


Right-wing media and the origins of the Bernie "doesn't care about minorities" meme.








http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251465196

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #84)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:09 PM

88. In every post, you reinforce the Bernie "doesn't care about minorities" meme

You never question it. Never. You promote it.

If you have a problem with the way these right wing bastards distort #blacklivesmatter, turning it into a purely partisan witch hunt against Sanders with their fucking MEME, you should be tearing these right wing bastards a new one, not piling on Bernie Sanders and supporters along with them.

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Response to delrem (Reply #88)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:17 PM

92. I said no such thing.

Have a nice evening.


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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #92)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:43 PM

95. Every single post of yours contradicts your assertion.


You are a leader. So I ask you to stop and think.

This is the epitome of a witch-hunt, and Bernie Sanders does not deserve it. Hillary Clinton can't possibly benefit by it.

Nor does the very real problem of systemic racism in the USA deserve it.

Look at DU! Just look at it! It's so toxic, nothing can live!
I've never seen the like of it, and this is between people ostensibly of the same political party?
Between people who were friends yesterday and hope to be friends tomorrow? To actually VOTE for the candidate chosen?

It's so bad, Donald Trump could walk into this situation on DU, and win.
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Look, I'm Canadian. So you don't have to pay any attention to me. My concern is that the US elect an admin that's a little bit more reasonable about the military conquest of the world, the ME, SA, and other places where I think diplomacy and good works would do a lot more good, in the long run, than military coups etc. Than continuing the status quo. And I want to protect Canada's universal health care and pharmacare legislation from attacks from free trade type agreements signed by right-wing gov'ts (Harper's, now) - so I want the US to adopt some of these GOOD and, yes, "socialist" policies, so US citizens can experience it and have a clue what it's about. Because believe me, now that we've experienced it no political party in Canada is viable if it openly attacks universal health care, for one. So none do. For those and other reasons I tend to align with Sanders (warts and all, though I don't think he has a chance of winning). I think the existence of community health care clinics, staffed by locals continuously inventing reach out programs, makes for good well-balanced communities. It DOES cut into problems associated with endemic racism. It also cuts into problems associated with distrust of the poor in general since it gives even the homeless an opening into the larger community.

Bernie Sanders isn't the cause racism in the USA, nor as far as I can tell does Bernie Sanders contribute to racism in the USA. Twisting #blacklivesmatter into a weapon to attack Bernie Sanders and all of his supporters on DU is wrong.

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Now, I'm done with DU.

You have made DU too toxic for me.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #84)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:10 PM

89. It's not that Bernie doesn't care...

Of course he cares, his record proves it.
It's just that he hasn't attended enough events to specifically reach out to Minority voters during this campaign. It would help his campaign if he attended large events hosted by Black or Hispanic leaders. I hope he does this soon.

Btw, I'm not a troll. I feel I gotta make that clear now because I was Blockrd from the Bernie Sanders group for disagreeing a Thread Host who claimed that Bernie is "doing just fine with minorities". I simply told them to link me to an article or poll that shows this. Next thing I know, Blocked.

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Response to MightyMax (Reply #89)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:13 PM

90. You shouldn't have been blocked for that true statement. n/t

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Response to delrem (Reply #90)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:16 PM

91. Thanks

I'm a new member and that Block was disappointing. Kinda seemed like the host was offended by my reply for challenging his/ her assumption and rather than respond they decided to just Block me. I hope most members are not like that.

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Response to delrem (Reply #90)

Wed Jul 22, 2015, 08:34 AM

103. They wasn't why. n/t

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Response to MightyMax (Reply #89)

Wed Jul 22, 2015, 07:36 PM

109. You were repeating the right wing meme without any evidence. nm

 

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Response to leveymg (Original post)

Wed Jul 22, 2015, 12:03 AM

96. I don't think so.

They might have picked up a whiff of something and ran with it, but I seriously don't think they would have the capability to do that nor do I think BLM would be watching FOX news and say "Hey you know what we should go protest at Net Roots." It's just not going to happen no matter what the time line is. So, just stop this looks like tinfoil territory. We should be trying to reach out to BLM and this doesn't help. They have valid concerns and they aren't just doing what they are doing to hurt people's feelings.

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Response to leveymg (Original post)

Wed Jul 22, 2015, 03:59 AM

99. I rec'd because I believe it's a piece of what's happening

Good find, I hadn't seen it, and the more we can get to the roots of why this is happening, why the corporatists are given a free pass while the socialist outsider is attacked, the more we'll understand what we're up against.

I would look more at the monied interests in our own party, not just the RW. Got nothing to back it up though, just circumstances.

I care deeply about the situation blacks in this country are up against, and the candidate I support, Bernie Sanders, also cares deeply about it, and will actually walk the walk against the powerful forces that favor incarceration, police states, "tough on crime" policies designed to give allow selective enforcement.

If black people can't figure this out, they will be sorely disappointed by the crumbs handed out to them by the corporate wing of the party.

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Response to dreamnightwind (Reply #99)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:26 AM

113. "If black people can't figure it out"

They need you to enlighten them as to what is in their best interests, which can only be solved by supporting someone who voted for the 1993 Crime bills? https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/20/crime#.VbGHkbNVikp

How does he get a pass when he helped make it law?

Who exactly is running on tough on crime policies? No one on the Democratic side that I've seen. Not O'Malley, not Clinton.

I think black people can figure out their own interests just fine. They aren't so ignorant as to be led around by the RW or people on the so-called left who treat them as lacking in political acumen.
Black folks on twitter have made clear that they do not see anyone who denounces Black Lives Matter, the most powerful and least coopted movement currently operating in the US as a RW corporatist plot is as allies, quite the opposite. https://twitter.com/search?q=%23earnthisdamnvoteorlose&src=typd They also intend to use their voting power to compel candidates to speak to issues they care about. AA members of this board have asked similar questions, and they have been denounced as part of a RW conspiracy for doing so, equated with "Lee Atwater." Who on their side does such a thing?

I think a number of Sanders supporters have pretty much assured that he will not be getting support of many African Americans through their continual insults of Black Lives Matters over social media. If you decide you should actually care what any of them think, read the Twitter link above.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #113)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 04:59 AM

139. I'm just saying

Last edited Fri Jul 24, 2015, 05:49 AM - Edit history (2)

they can take their chances if they like with the corporatist wing of the party, and no it is not my job to enlighten them.

Personally I'm certain they will get more of the same with Hillary or the Republicans. There are some differences, minor in degree, between what they will get from Hillary (pretty much what they are getting now under Obama), and what they will get under Republicans.

Bernie is the advocate for actual reforms that will help them. It's up to the voters to see through the marketing to the substance. I wonder what they think Hillary will do for them, take on the police state this country has become? That is ludicrous, nobody would believe that.

edit to add:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251471268

Private Prison Lobbyists Are Raising Cash for Hillary Clinton
Lee Fang - TheIntercept
July 23 2015, 10:49 a.m.

<snip>

As immigration and incarceration issues become central to the 2016 presidential campaign, lobbyists for two major prison companies are serving as top fundraisers for Hillary Clinton. Corrections Corporation of America and the Geo Group could both see their fortunes turning if there are fewer people to lock up in the future.


She'l have a diverse-looking staff to showcase her minority listening skills, and she'll be serving interests such as the private prison industry when she works on policy. Count on it, that's the reality of who she is.

I wish it wasn't so. I would be delighted to see a woman president. I like Barbara Lee, very much, and since my state was safe for Obama, I voted for Jill Stein last election for POTUS. I was hoping for Warren before I gave up on her running this time. But policy matters, and Hillary is not going to be representing people of color, or even my white male self, she'll be representing the megadonors, their police state, their resource wars, and their endless globe trotting for the poorest, most oppressed labor pools on the planet to do the work of the formerly American companies that have now turned their backs on all of us.

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Response to leveymg (Original post)

Wed Jul 22, 2015, 08:32 AM

102. Cooke and York a slimy team.

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Response to leveymg (Original post)

Wed Jul 22, 2015, 09:07 AM

105. No surprise there.

Nor is there any surprise at who keeps pushing this shit here and now.

This IS what they are. Dirty tricks campaigners and liars.

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Response to leveymg (Original post)

Thu Jul 23, 2015, 11:53 PM

112. The Bernie doesn't care about minorities meme began at DU on the same day.

May 27, 2015.

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Response to Zorra (Reply #112)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:47 AM

114. Yes, that was THE day.

Everyone synchronized their Mickey Mouse watches, translated the secret messages using their Captain Midnight decoder rings, drank some Ovaltine, and went after Bernie Sanders with a vengeance heretofore unknown to man.

I've seen a lot of conspiracy theories on DU over the years - but THIS one is, hands down, absolutely the batshit-craziest one yet!

In fact, I think it rates at least

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #114)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:56 AM

115. And it's really precious and adorable when you consider that we'd been in the AA forum talking

about the loathsome tactics of many Sanders supporters FOUR DAYS before sheshe's infamous OP.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/118714610

These people cannot be for real. The people who take issue with their idiocy are either pro-Hillary shills or "Koch funded right wingers." I'll be eagerly awaiting to see how long before space aliens, the winter solstice or Stonehenge is the latest reason for the on the mark push back against the "tactics" of Sanders supporters.

Everybody, every entity on God's green earth is responsible for their behavior. Everything but them of course. But I guess when you've been using that old line about TPTB "keeping" you from doing whatever you want to do for the last 50 years and think you've gotten away with it, then I guess you think you can just keep blaming everybody for everything else too.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #115)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:43 AM

122. You know, with all of the people ...

... and forces of nature that have been conspiring against the BS supporters, it's a wonder we were able to pull it off.

The logistics alone - finding venues large enough to accommodate everyone for the secret meetings, who wanted vegan meals only, who needed last minute transportation from the airport - I think we should be congratulating ourselves on a job well done.

You guys in the AA Forum almost gave it away by jumping the gun by four days there - so let's tighten that up, okay? Loose lips sink ships - not to mention vast conspiracies.

Watch for the PM about our next launch date. It will be entitled "These people cannot be for real". (The PTB thought that sounded - uh - more compassionate than the usual "These people are fuckin' batshit crazy".)

And, hey, looking forward to seeing you at the next meet-up. The Koch brothers will be delivering the keynote speech, and they're busing-in at least 2,000 space aliens and a bunch of the Stonehenge crowd, so it'll be a blast!

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Response to Number23 (Reply #115)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 03:17 AM

134. "Guys, after seeing the Sanders supporters show their royal hineys in CaliDem's OP" 4 Days Before!

Thank you, 23! Four days Before she's OP that they are trying to lay the blame on their "whatever".. I won't what it is.. because.. "swarm".

Just suffice to say Mahalo! That shoots down their latest theory.

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Response to Cha (Reply #134)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 03:19 AM

135. That will be ignored

as well as all other evidence that indicates life and politics are way more complicated than they choose to believe.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #135)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 03:37 AM

136. You're right, of course..

they'll hold on to it.. Ignoring all evidence to the contrary.



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Response to Cha (Reply #134)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 03:53 AM

137. And I did that OP after watching them stink up the board with the nastiest attacks for WEEKS

Attacks on the other candidates and their supporters, combined with the "what do THEY (meaning black people, of course) want from him??! He marched in Selma, didn't he???!" And that last bit of foolishness even came from people who can't holler loud enough about how they are "people of color."

I watched that crap go on for weeks before I did that OP and I did that OP before sheshe did hers. But we are really seeing the real side of people. And apparently there are alot here that seem to GENUINELY believe that black people are too stupid to think for ourselves, that we are being manipulated. Which is leading to the Lee Atwater accusations bullshit, the "these people aren't progressives and are funded by the Koch brothers" bullshit and the "everything was glorious and grand until that Evil Wench sheshe2 started everything with her big old mean OP!!1" bullshit.

It's all bullshit. We see what's going on. And we see who's doing it too.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #137)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 04:39 AM

138. Oh yes we do. It's so Deep.. they

aren't ever going to be able to wade out of it.

"And apparently there are alot here that seem to GENUINELY believe that black people are too stupid to think for ourselves, that we are being manipulated."

Blast from the past example of that on May 21, 2015.. two days before your OP, 23..

"87% of African Americans view Hillary Clinton favorably"

snip//

2. well
when Bernie sanders was young man he supported civil rights.

Civil Liberties means more than Sanders than it ever will be for Obama or Hillary.


snip//

191. Another fine example of Americans voting...
...against their best interests
.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026706470#post191

Anything to try and make Bernie look good.. Not even realizing it has the Opposite effect.

Mahalo 23~

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #114)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:02 AM

117. Yep, and Black Lives Matters

all their protesting since the time of Ferguson has been a ruse, waiting for the day they could pop up on stage and embarrass Bernie Sanders. It was also the vast right-wing conspiracy that forced Sanders supporters to go to social media and insult black folks by seeking to discredit a movement protesting an epidemic of police killings. All of it dates to that one day those two RW outlets ran those stories, and all the lost lives and protests preceding that date were mere pretext, waiting to make their lethal strike against Bernie.

Because the very notion that black folks might have their own interests and actually want answers from candidates is so improbable, it couldn't possibly occur without the malevolent hand of the right. Their natural place is to align perfectly with the concerns of white "progressives" and any diversion from that role can clearly only be the product of corporate manipulation. #earnthisdamnvoteorlose

(in case anyone needs it)


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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #114)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:39 AM

120. Naturally, I already knew your post was coming.

As predictable as the sunrise. So sad.

Same old game plan, make a personal attack, mock the person, try to paint the person as silly, not to be paid attention to. Put up the tinfoil hat thingee, blahblahblah.

Nice try, but it doesn't work. Y'all are tragically outnumbered by progressives on this website. Have you seen the recent polls at DU, the ones where 200 posters say Bernie is the better candidate, and 6 say Hillary is the better candidate?

The 200 who voted Bernie in all those polls are honest Democrats, and they're not buying what Third Way is selling.

And the 6 who voted Hillary? Why should I care what they think of me, and why would I care what you think of me?

On edit: As a matter of fact, I'm going to put you on ignore. you can insult me to your hearts content, if you like.

Carry on.

Phoenix Convention Center, July 18, 2015.

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Response to Zorra (Reply #120)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 02:08 AM

132. "Have you seen the recent polls at DU?"

Does it matter?

I hate to burst your bubble, but: "Have you seen the recent polls in real life?

The fact that 85% of DU is - according to Skinner - in Bernie's camp is all the proof you need to know that DU is not reflective of the Democratic Party as a whole, where Bernie doesn't have anywhere near 85% support among Democrats.

And here's some more late-breaking-news for you - and hold on to your tinfoil hat for this one! - the Democratic nominee will be determined by real life Democrats, and not by DU.

You can "win" this site - and you're welcome to it. But it has absolutely nothing to do with what is going on in the real world, where actual voters are supporting Hillary by a very, VERY wide margin.

As for your "conspiracy theories", if the tinfoil hat fits, I'd say you're stuck wearing it. Let's remember that on an 85% Bernie-supporting site, chances are the jury who voted to hide your conspiracy theory OP are more likely to be Bernie supporters than not. So maybe your fellow BS supporters think that tinfoil hat was as ridiculous as everyone else does.







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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #132)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 07:52 PM

141. You're on a firing roll, so ... how about a little gasoline! ...

 

Speaking of the 85% of DU that are in Bernie's camp ...

Sanders 22% overall support
26% identifying at very liberal
19% identifying as liberal
16% identifying as moderate
31% identifying as somewhat conservative
42% identifying as very conservative



What percentage to you think is covered be the bolded segment?

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #141)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 09:28 PM

142. Well, as I pointed out to a BS supporter ...

... who was ranting about "conservadems", he might want to ratchet down the rhetoric as he was insulting Bernie's largest support group.

Pretty ironic, though - the icon of progressives apparently appeals to conservatives, but doesn't do nearly as well with liberals.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #114)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:51 AM

128. Bahahahahaha!

and that's saying something

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Response to Zorra (Reply #112)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:39 AM

121. The Great Alerter on this post went down in flames 0-7.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This person just will not leave this alone on calling out another DU member and here's the proof you need to hide this post as not only being "disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate." it's also against TOS for being CT. The original alert message "Someone else posted this same call out in GD-P and it was hidden. This is a pernicious claim that long-time DUers are engaged in right-wing plot. We have a number of Democratic candidates in the race. Calling criticism of one right wing plants is uncivil shit stirring. This same poster has called Black Lives Matters a Koch conspiracy and insulted black Sanders supporters who raised concerns. This person is working to cause a whole lot of trouble. " here is the link to the hidden OP http://www.democraticunderground.com/128029322 Please stop this madness and hide this post to let this person know that this is not going to be tolerated.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:32 AM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Read an hour ago, very valid
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's a true statement. There is no call out of a particular person or post.
It's not against tos to post a true statement. Especially if there is no call out.

Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: this post, in and of itself, is not hide worthy. take the issue up with the admins.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

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Response to Divernan (Reply #121)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:46 AM

125. I fear he suffers much by the fact of my post not being hidden. nt

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Response to Zorra (Reply #125)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:49 AM

127. And especially because you were vindicated 100%!

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Response to Divernan (Reply #121)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:15 PM

140. 0-7!

That's gotta burn.

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Response to Zorra (Reply #112)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:43 AM

123. Why are you posting that?

You've had two hides already on the same topic.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #123)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:48 AM

126. No, just one. But I expect the majority of my posts will be alerted from now on. nt

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Response to Zorra (Reply #126)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:52 AM

129. Not by me

I want to know why are you posting that, it's cruel

-and it was two hides

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #129)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:59 AM

130. No, not by you. If I speak the facts, my post will be hidden.

I only had one post hidden, the other was another poster.

It's not cruel. Go and read the replies to that post.

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Response to Zorra (Reply #130)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 02:04 AM

131. I was on a jury for one--I thought it said there had been another

You seem to be connecting a good DUers single post--taken entirely out of context, with the advent of some sort of RW attack on Sanders, is that basically correct? How is that not cruel?

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #131)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 09:33 PM

143. I can't answer you because my post will be hidden. nt

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Response to Zorra (Reply #130)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 02:38 AM

133. No, the hides are reserved

for people who simply remind you of what you've said.

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