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Tue Jul 21, 2015, 05:10 AM

One Chart Shows Just How Impressive Bernie Sanders' Massive Crowds Really Are




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Reply One Chart Shows Just How Impressive Bernie Sanders' Massive Crowds Really Are (Original post)
Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 OP
Sherman A1 Jul 2015 #1
sellitman Jul 2015 #2
Qutzupalotl Jul 2015 #20
sellitman Jul 2015 #21
tomm2thumbs Jul 2015 #3
oberliner Jul 2015 #4
TM99 Jul 2015 #5
oberliner Jul 2015 #10
TM99 Jul 2015 #12
oberliner Jul 2015 #14
TM99 Jul 2015 #15
artislife Jul 2015 #22
Paka Jul 2015 #7
oberliner Jul 2015 #11
PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #17
JDPriestly Jul 2015 #8
oberliner Jul 2015 #9
Dustlawyer Jul 2015 #13
JDPriestly Jul 2015 #16
PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #18
Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #19
cantbeserious Jul 2015 #6
Zorra Jul 2015 #23

Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 05:20 AM

1. Interesting

and impressive numbers.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 05:45 AM

2. Cruz?

Really?

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Response to sellitman (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 01:56 PM

20. Read the asterisk.

His audience at Liberty U was required to be there.

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Response to Qutzupalotl (Reply #20)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 07:28 AM

21. Good job

You just restored partial faith of humanity.

😱

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 05:49 AM

3. Definitely the mandatory meeting of Cruz needs that asterisk


A purple dinosaur could have been on that stage and it would have had the same attendance figure.

(Actually, in a sense a purple, a dinosaur did appear on that stage...)

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The amount of youth appearing at Sander's rally's, along with the cross section of other Americans seems to indicate to me that this is something that will grow, not recede

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:01 AM

4. There was a similar phenomenon with Ron Paul

 

Much larger crows than the others in the field and a much larger presence of supporters online.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:20 AM

5. Yup, you must really like Ron Paul.

 

You obsess about him apparently daily.

If it was Clinton getting these kinds of numbers, the story would be oh so very different.

Hell, the only reason y'all trot out this dead horse to beat is because two months in this shows a really strong candidacy.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #5)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:13 AM

10. His ability to draw large crowds and get so much support online was impressive

 

I also liked how he didn't play the game and just give the usual Republican talking points but actually spoke his mind and stuck to his convictions (for the most part) even though the Republican establishment rejected him and the MSM tried to ignore him.

A lot of similarities with what is happening with Bernie right now (even though their actual political views are not similar).

Do you not think this is a valid observation?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #10)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:56 AM

12. I think a more valid comparison would be Obama.

 

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Response to TM99 (Reply #12)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:20 AM

14. Fair enough

 

Perhaps he will see similar electoral success.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #14)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:25 AM

15. If he can overcome the DNC's

 

obvious bias, then yes, I do believe he can.

Thankfully the campaign season is young.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #15)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 01:10 PM

22. We can beat H in the caucuses again! nt

 

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Response to oberliner (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:47 AM

7. As one who lives outside the US,

I spoke with many young people who supported Paul for one or two particular reasons, but he was so far outside the norm in other areas he did not have general appeal. Even though they supported him, they didn't have the overall enthusiasm that translated into votes. That's where Bernie has the advantage.

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Response to Paka (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:13 AM

11. I will be curious to see how it plays out

 

In terms of enthusiasm translating to votes.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #11)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:44 AM

17. The problem with enthusiasm is no matter how enthusiastic you are, you still only get one vote.

Presumably enthusiasm makes it more likely someone will actually vote and makes it more
likely they will spread the word about their candidate, but it also can tend to make people
think their candidate has more support than they actually do (case in point Ron Paul).

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Response to oberliner (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:54 AM

8. The test will be Bernie's ability to organize his volunteers to contact lots of voters.

Both Ron Paul and Bernie appeal to the same kind of discontent on economic and personal freedom issues. Bernie also appeals to people with social consciences. Ron Paul did not have broad appeal on social conscience issues like homelessness, poverty, race, LGBT marriage and equality, abortion, etc.

Bernie will probably have a broader appeal among voters once they get his message. He is speaking up for working people. Ron Paul spoke up for the rich and wannabe business types.


There are a lot more working people than there are wannabe business types.

A man sowed his seeds in a field of rocks with little fertile soil. His harvest was sparse. That's Ron Paul. His seeds were sown in a field with few voters.

A man sowed his seeds in a field of rich, fertile soil. His harvest was plentiful. That's Bernie. His seeds are being sown in a field with many voters -- middle class and working people for whom economic issues are very important.

In 2008, the banks were on the brink of if not over the brink of bankruptcy. The US government bailed them out.

And then, what did the banks do? Bail out homeowners who were forced under water on their homes thanks to the banks' insolvency and greed? Agree to pay extra high taxes to help create lots of jobs so that Americans could work and pay their mortgage debts? Give a break to homeowners with a mortgage payment vacation for overburdened American families? Offer high interest rates to depositors in order to encourage the personal and social virtue of saving so that we wouldn't have another financial collapse? How about forgiving the remainder due on the loans on foreclosed houses?

No. None of that.

The bankers congratulated themselves on having negotiated their way out of the hole their own gambling and erroneous math had gotten them into, balked at regulation and resisted all but the most basic changes in the laws that needed to be made to prevent another such breakdown, took their huge bonuses, felt smug, offered very little interest to depositors so as to avoid encouraging prudent saving by ordinary Americans and just laughed and laughed as they gleefully spent and invested the huge bonuses they have taken home since the 2008 crash.

Bankers are still enjoying the wages of their sins, having cleverly outmaneuvered homebuyers, many of whom were young or immigrants or seniors and unsophisticated about the housing market.

Now if the banks had been dealing with sophisticated buyers and skyscrapers worth millions, they would have done a work-out.

But we have a nation in which a lot of middle class and working people feel they were cheated. Many of them went into bankruptcy, ruined their credit and are having a tough time getting back on their feet. Businesses failed. Homes were lost. Jobs were lost. Families fell apart.

There is more anger now than there even was in 2012 because so much time has passed and the banks and Wall Street have done far too little to pay back to the American people on their debt, their moral and social debt to Americans for having bailed them out.

What if the US government had not bailed out the banks, the insurance companies and Wall Street?

The banks, the insurance companies and Wall Street need to think about that because Bernie is going to build his poll numbers thanks to their insensitive, self-centered greed.

Ron Paul did not have the message of the moment to the largest pool of voters. Bernie does.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #8)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:08 AM

9. Great points

 

I definitely feel like Sanders has a much more appealing message and better chance for electoral success.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #8)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:18 AM

13. +1! I would add that after their bailout, the banks cooked up several fraudulent schemes

that raked in hundreds of billions of dollars even after their fines (no jail, hell, no prosecution). Then they spread money all over D.C. again and everything was back to normal for them.

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #13)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:37 AM

16. Precisely. Thanks. They left poor Americans and middle class Americans to clean up their

mess and eat the left overs from their feast. And they are still raking in money hand over fist while Americans try to put their lives back together.

Families fell apart or were placed under great stress over this stupid, greedy grab by the banks.

If I could see the mortgage crisis coming, surely the bank economists could have seen it a mile away. You just cannot have housing prices rise as they did while wages are stagnant.

Right now, we have fixed mortgage rates that are low, so rising housing prices may not create a crisis as long as wages do not decline and people stay in their homes with their low-interest loans. But even now in LA housing prices are rising. (They are even worse I guess in Silicon Valley.) I hope buyers are getting fixed rate mortgages. And I hope they keep their jobs.

One reason I support Bernie is that he supports a Glass-Steagall type of restriction on the banks and investment houses.

The economy is precarious. As long as the Fed is afraid to raise interest rates, we have to admit to ourselves that our economy has not recovered to a reasonable extent.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #8)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:46 AM

18. "Ron Paul did not have the message of the moment to the largest pool of voters. Bernie does."

So when are you going to change the "Warren 2016" banner at the bottom of your posts to a "Bernie" one?

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #8)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:55 AM

19. I see all this pushing of the idea that Ron Paul was about 'personal freedoms' but that's a crock

 

Against marijuana legalization, anti choice, opposed to marriage equality, his 'personal freedoms' views are strictly Republican, as are those of his offspring Rand.

This crafted public image you repeat is just that, a public image. Ron Paul is nothing at all like Bernie Sanders, there is no comparison at all. Among other things, Paul Jr and Sr are both plain old Republicans, Party Regulars. The whole 'they are libertarians' routine is bogus. Republicans. Dyed in the wool conservatives, Ron very religious, openly racist, horribly homophobic. Also against every sort of personal 'freedom' or liberty I can think of that does not apply to business being 'free' to abuse their customers.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:21 AM

6. Settling For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils Is No Longer The Only Option - Go Bernie Go

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Original post)

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 02:36 PM

23. Recommend. nt

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