"How Those Anti-Hillary Lefties Are Being Trolled By The Right"

[ConservativeDemocrat]

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/05/21/how-those-anti-hillary-lefties-are-being-trolled-by-the-right/

If you spend any time reading comment sections or listening to the dinosaur known as left-wing talk radio, you begin to see a pattern. It will happen here – just watch. I will say with all sincerity that Bernie Sanders is a great candidate. He says nearly everything I want to hear and everything the American public wants to hear, but the best thing about Bernie will likely be his own downfall in next year’s election – the fact that he’s refusing big donor money.

Hillary’s acceptance of big donor contributions is in part what has earned her the moniker of “corporatist,” but it’s also the reason that she has a good chance of winning and nominating anti-corporate Supreme Court Justices and correcting our course so maybe next time around, those big money donations will be taken out of the picture.

Still, there will be countless comments to this article and especially on the Facebook pages that call me a shill or worse. Even after Sanders entered the race, Clinton is still handily beating anyone in the Republican field. You wouldn’t know that if you follow the comments though. Liberals, you might think, are turning away from Clinton in droves and even threatening to stay home if it means a choice between Clinton and a Republican. What’s causing that? Is it organic liberal contrarianism or is there something darker?

It’s something darker, at least according to the New York Times.

Most of the “Hillary is a corporatist” rhetoric has been coming straight from the right and not from the left. Karl Rove and other conservative PACs are the spreading anti-Hillary propaganda faster than they’re raising money.

https://twitter.com/billmckibben/status/557991458545094656

If you look at the source of the tweet, it’s America Rising PAC and their sole purpose is opposition research for the Republican party or in non-political terms, it’s to find Democrats’ weak spots and capitalize on them. It was started by Mitt Romney’s former campaign manager.

I think the old term for this was "Useful Idiots". Except this time it's the far left being invited to do the bidding of Republicans.

Luckily enough, the two people who refuse to be used this way are Senator Sanders and Secretary Clinton. Bernie has been repeatedly invited by people like Andrea Mitchell and other Republican media figures to bash Hillary in ways that Republicans could use against her in the fall, but refused to take the bait - and kept his criticism firmly from the left. Hillary in response, hasn't even breathed an unkind word in his direction. They both want this to be a race of "who do you like better"? Not (as a handful would here have it), who has committed some sacrilege against Democratic ideals, be it supposedly not supporting minority rights correctly, or wanting American businesses and the economy to prosper.

This is the way for Democrats to have a primary. Because the alternative is a President Bush, or President Trump.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[DisgustipatedinCA]

1. This was tried here before. It failed then too. Have a wonderful & conservative day.

[Sheepshank]

24. no I don't don't think its failing...I think it's continuing but obvious in so many cases.

although I will admit there are always some Bernie "supporters" (at least appearing to be so by using a Bernie avatar or siggy line) so often cross the line of decency they get called out. But so many use RW talking points and repeat those talking points with many many recs, one has to wonder if the tactic is working on Bernie Supporters, more than Hillary Supporters? By that I mean, they are solidifying the call that that it's Bernie or nothing in the GE. Hillary supporters tend to blow off the call to migrate from Hillary's camp....at least here on DU

[Andy823]

38. Good point.

I have to agree that some who claim to be for Bernie seem to be spreading a lot of right wing BS, and when they do it, they get hundreds of recs, and those who rec those posts do it to every "bashing" thread that gets started.

[SunSeeker]

2. k & r

[Purveyor]

3. "Useful Idiots", eh?

[marmar]

4. This poor deceased horse continues to get beaten mercilessly.

[HooptieWagon]

5. Meanwhile, in the real reality, Sanders is drawing crowds to rallies that rival Bobby Kennedy.

That's gotta have the bubble-based community's heads exploding.

[Fearless]

12. Funny how people still don't believe that he's viable.

What with all the people showing up to hear him.

[frylock]

32. And we all know what happened to RFK..

[Le Taz Hot]

35. Did she just say,

"You should be willing to debate any time, anywhere?"

Did she evolve again?

[GoneFishin]

51. Nobody goes to those Bernie rallies. They are too crowded. SARCASM!

[HooptieWagon]

54. I think that was Yogi Berra?

"Nobody goes to that resturant anymore, it's too crowded".

[GoneFishin]

55. Yeah. It is. His quotes are a riot. "Always go to other people's funerals, otherwise they ..."

"Always go to other people's funerals, otherwise they won't come to yours"

[HooptieWagon]

56. 90% of this game is 1/2 mental.

[GoneFishin]

57. LOL for real.

[AgingAmerican]

6. Says the resident right wing Democrat

Didn't you post this same strawman a couple weeks ago?

[Cheese Sandwich]

7. .

[neverforget]

8. "useful idiots"

[Spitfire of ATJ]

17. Not to mention "far left".

[font size=10 color=red]Oh! What a giveaway![/font]

[HooptieWagon]

37. The "far left" who are showing up in 10s of thousands to rallies.

Looks mainstream to me.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

39. Ah hell,...no big deal....

Bernie doesn't have a snappy logo.

Snappy logos are what win elections.

That's how Obama won.

With a snappy logo.

That's the lesson from '08.

[tularetom]

9. I guess things look different from over there in the "reality based community"

where corporations are people and money = speech.

Here in "fantasy land" or whatever you like to call it, if you raise money like a republican, from traditional republican sources, the odds are pretty good that you will govern like a republican if you are elected.

But you just go right on believing that your candidate can take truckloads of money from Wall Street bankers and defense contractors and after being elected turn around and poke those big money donors in the eye. If it walks like a republican and quacks like a republican, it probably is a republican.

Actually, it seems to me that you are really a rather naive idealist.

[cstanleytech]

10. Tad over the top with the "Useful Idiots" part CD, might want to work on that a bit.

As for the rest? *shrug* If the Republicans are up to their own swiftboating games it wouldnt surprise me in the least because they havent known the meaning of honor or integrity for 50+ years.

[murielm99]

11. K&R

[Fearless]

13. Your premise fails on two points...

The first is that Republicans understand and know how to use the internet to troll people. Irony is a tool of the left not the right.

And second, that the argument that anyone who criticizes Hillary is pro-Republican is actually a logical statement.

It isn't and they don't.

[whatchamacallit]

14. We're getting trolled by a conservative right now

[Sherman A1]

20. Thank You!

Well Said!

[frylock]

33. Obvious conservative is obvious.

[draa]

15. Well

if we're being killed by the corporate structure why would we vote for the person who sharpens their knives?

It's also a pipe dream that a person taking corporate money would go after those corporations if elected. If you need proof just look at the last 100+ years of History.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

16. Am I the only one smelling real PANIC in the air?

[frylock]

34. Bullshit and PANIC both smell alike.

[AtomicKitten]

18. "Hillary hasn't even breathed an unkind word in his direction."

She sends her drones* out to do her dirty work.

* Luis Gutierrez
* Claire McCaskill

[restorefreedom]

25. don't forget lanny davis

and that "journalist" joan walsh

[antigop]

28. Anthony Weiner? nt

[Scootaloo]

19. Hmm, a post by ConservativeDemocrat

I will take this very seriously indeed. I'm sure it will be insightful, informative, gripping, and make me think about things from a new perspective.

Or at least it'll help that burp come up.

[tularetom]

30. Yep, another drive by post

He tosses out these pearls of wisdom and then runs and hides when mass disagreement arises.

I'm sure he has important stuff to do. Over there in the Reality Based Community™.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

31. Hides?

I'm still here. But so far, all I've seen is one of:

1. "You're not a liberal Democrat so the facts you state aren't true"

(or)

2. <Trite, tribalistic, one-liner that doesn't address the facts or logic of what is being said.>

Neither is particularly worthy of a response. But as I'm aware that I'm not going to convince the haters, it's not worth it engaging them. I'm more talking to people who are concerned with winning the general election.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[frylock]

36. you were looking for substantive comments to this shit?

[ConservativeDemocrat]

42. Certainly not from you

I flat out don't believe you're capable of it.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[frylock]

43. Oh, well played, sir.

[Scootaloo]

60. Thanks, ConservativeDemocrat, you've been a great help

[Vinca]

21. I don't know if the thing that bothers me the most about Hillary has ever been said.

She's a smart person and could easily do the job, but my gut feeling is that she really doesn't want to be doing this. Her lack of enthusiasm makes me think she'd rather be enjoying summer at a beach house with her family rather than pandering to special interests on all sides. I think she has a sense of obligation to run. Maybe she grew up in one of those families that you're made to feel that no matter what you do it isn't good enough. I don't know, but she doesn't seem to be enjoying herself much and it's obvious in the lack of "heart" she brings to her speeches. I'd certainly vote for her in the general election if she's the nominee, but I question whether she hopes she wins or loses.

[oasis]

44. Could be as president, she'll make a considerable contribution in 4 short years

And then hand the keys over to a qualified successor.

[Scuba]

22. I see it here every day, liberals shouting "Benghazi, Benghazi!"

And why would anyone believe that Hillary would nominate "anti-corporate Supreme Court Justices" when she would owe her whole Presidency to corporate interests?

[cherokeeprogressive]

23. Still voting for Bernie Sanders.

Proudly.

[Ed Suspicious]

26. 2nded.

[Fearless]

62. 3rded.

[Thinkingabout]

27. Oh, the trolls are here, and even some valid members repeat what the trolls throw out.

Funny thing, the smears still hasn't changed my mind about supporting Hillary.

There also might be an experiment happening, proving a presidential candidate can run a campaign without a big campaign fund will probably fail if one wants to be successful. Just saying

[Spitfire of ATJ]

40. Do you intend to vote for Bernie if Hillary pulls out like the last time?

[Thinkingabout]

45. Currently we have other candidates, the primary has not started so if Hillary dropped out I would

look at all candidates left.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

46. Don't you mean "right"?

[Thinkingabout]

48. no, I did not.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

50. I wondered, considering your journal.

[Thinkingabout]

58. Thanks for reading my journal, I do not need my post rewritten.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

59. You should reconsider adopting the debunked "life expectancy" argument with SS.

[Skwmom]

29. Hillary is a corporatist.

I've only donated to Democratic candidates and registered people to vote to get Obama elected.

Nothing like trying to scare people into not speaking out for fear they will be labeled a right winger.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

41. BTW: This isn't about "Who do you like better"....

This isn't a popularity contest.

The winner isn't universally loved and the loser universally loathed.

It's about ISSUES.

Put THAT in your "reality based" pipe and smoke it.

[Doctor_J]

49. Thanks, I'll give this the same consideration as I do everything uttered by conservatives

[Larkspur]

52. Hillary is a big supporter of increasing H-1b Visas that threaten American Tech workers

I'm an American Tech worker and that is why I am an Anybody But Hillary voter in the primary.
If she wins the nomination, I'll hold my nose and vote for her but will not give her any of my money or spare time.

[cherokeeprogressive]

53. 'They both want this to be a race of "who do you like better"?'

I like Bernie Sanders waaaaay better.

[MisterP]

61. I have it on very good authority that Sanders was rooting for Sharapova!

actually, no--not even the methheads I've met would insist that

[Cha]

63. Mahalo CD.. we saw a spate of those rw articles on Hill posted here.. hope that phase is

over.