2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumContrived= "too obviously designed to produce a particular result"
con·trived
kənˈtrīvd/
adjective
adjective: contrived
deliberately created rather than arising naturally or spontaneously.
created or arranged in a way that seems artificial and unrealistic.
too obviously designed to produce a particular result
The Black Lives Matter protest and absurd response by supporters of other candidates seems to fit the definition.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Um, actually, no they won't.
Quite the opposite.
Take that in or don't. Up to you.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)are just as interested as grabbing attention using the media following their candidate around as any other protestors would be.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)The only way those two candidates will get a toehold is to do well in Iowa and New Hampshire, two of the whitest states in America.
J_J_
(1,213 posts)good luck with that
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Especially minorities.
J_J_
(1,213 posts)n/t
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)a small cadre of enthusiastic supporters. Ron Paul and Rand Paul have had that for years, and they never get near the nomination.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Like maybe Bernie's Site or the BLM or any other public forum?
Because with friends like you the Dems really don't need Soros or any other contrived woo, to help Hillary.
Thanks in advance
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)are doing it wrong.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)factoring a candidate's chat room supporters is an intelligent and perfectly legitimate approach to choosing POTUS. Hoo boy...
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Anything one chooses to use in order to make up their mind is their right.
Hell, some people vote for the person they'd most like to drink a beer with.
Welcome to democracy.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Also, could you answer my question in the thread you started and seem to have abandoned.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Also, I usually don't answer questions that do not deserve an answer.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)does not deserve an answer? Wth is your deal?
artislife
(9,497 posts)were part of the reason I was turned off by Hilary.
Forever.
There were similar posts in the feminist sites telling me to forget that I was Latina and step in line for a woman. I realized then that they need you when they need you and when you don't comply---good bye and let me throw stones at you while you leave.
And sadly that is what I am seeing with some white progressives with this event.
When I thought Obama wouldn't win the nom it made me very sad, I didn't want to help those loud, vile supporters.
I know not all supporters of Hillary are like that, there are good people who are excited by her and love her. It was extremely difficult to see that truth after the primary and hell....years..
So again, please try to take your emotions out of this and really listen. Like a good and fair judge. Hear this side. Believe me, when we get to an understanding it will be so much better than this reality.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)that is happening but those are your words, and others like you who, are trying to gin up ill will where there is none.
Be specific or don't respond. I am sure the temptation to put words in my mouth, or Bernie Sanders mouth is overpowering. And since you will find no real dialog that achieves your goal you will, no doubt, resort to making something up out of thin air.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)You didn't think about what you were writing before you posted that, did you?
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)London Lover Man
(371 posts)Anyone who appears on Faux News just for shits and giggles has zero credibility.
Hell, anyone who appears in Fox News to talk has zero credibility and you lent credence to the legitimacy of the farce that is called Fox News.
HAND.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)everyone else when a small group claims to speak for everyone, get pretty upset with you.
When you post on a forum and don't even know who the minorities there are and assume it is just a small group, I would say you don't much care about them, at least that is what they think, same with women and gays who often are TOLD who speaks for them.
Maybe pay attention to those on DU who speak for themselves, though it's hard to be heard above the shouting.
And then go out in the world and see what other minorities are saying, not just those who fit your own personal beliefs.
You'd be amazed if you actually listened to the voices of those who are not being heard.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)If you try to think about it from the protesters' point of view, you might think gee, this protest was 'contrived' to A) garner more press for BLM, and B) force candidates to actually put together policy to DO something about black people being murdered by police in order to win black votes.
They want an outcome (or a 'particular result' as you call it) - black people no longer being murdered by police (and white civilians) who then are not convicted of murder.
They have a power - black votes. So they make it plain that they will use their power to try to obtain their needed outcome.
It's up to the candidates to get from point A) seeing their need, to point B) addressing that need, to C) being rewarded with those votes.
J_J_
(1,213 posts)They are barking up the wrong tree which makes it seem obviously contrived.
And the way Hillary supporters think it is so important and won't let it go....also seems contrived.
If this is all Hillary and her supporters can do to 'help' her- that is just pathetic.
The crowds are showing us all we need to know about the primaries, and obviously the Hillary campaign and media are running scared.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)They've stated they intend to protest a lot more going forward. Every candidate is going to have to decide whether the cause is important enough, either in and of itself, or as simple electoral math. I want Sanders to win, and I hope he'll take this seriously and rise up to meet the challenge, and do something useful as President to end 'open season'.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)and any other candidates who enter the race.
Re Republicans, the response was 'that would be stupid, they don't want our votes anyhow'. Re Hillary, I didn't get a direct answer even though I tried.
So there seems to be a difference of opinion about it with some claiming it will be done to all candidates, others saying no.
So we'll see, I guess even among themselves they don't agree. That is normal within any movement.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)It's pretty foolish. And that the candidates all need to address these concerns with concrete plans should be obvious to all right now.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)She seems to have no plans to solve anything. Takes few positions on issues.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)He is learning that it's not enough.
Hillary won't be spared their wrath either.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Hillary has not and will not.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)were promoting Reagan like 'law and order' and 'three strikes and you're out' which disproportionately affected minorities, Bernie was OPPOSING it FOR those reasons.
And that is why right now, more and more AAs are lining up in support of who they say, 'is the ONLY candidate who isn't just trying to get our votes', but who has been doing the right thing, voting the right way his entire life'.
It's funny what happens here on DU. A couple of people start yelling about something, women, minorities, hoping to use them for political purposes and before long they don't know what is going on the world, then they are shocked to find out, their opinions are not exactly the opinions of others they claim to represent.
It's all good for the candidate I support however, so let them use it, people know sincerity when they see it.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Doesn't even exist- or that they don't matter - and it seems many here wish they didn't all of a sudden.
If BLM you nothing this weekend, so be it.
Stick your head in the ground and think that it's just here, and only some grudge match between DUers or about Hillary supporters. Not helping Sanders one bit, but I don't think his supporters here are going to matter a whit in the end, they certainly won't influence who I vote for- so whatever.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Hillary. Contrived by the DNC, Corporations and Billionaires.
J_J_
(1,213 posts)Triana
(22,666 posts)... why BLM - when someone like Sanders is obviously in their corner (whether they like his framing or not) would ambush this candidate OR O'Malley (who is also in their corner) by disrupting a campaign event and claim that's "starting dialogue" about the issues.
Why not choose some representatives or groups from BLM and directly ask for a sit-down meeting with Sanders and his campaign to discuss what it is that they want to hear and see from him to earn their votes, rather than disrupting their events?
I understand the need to address police brutality, social and economic injustice - all as symptoms of the disease of racism rather than as the other way around. But have they tried asking for direct dialogue with Sanders and O'Malley about this yet? Did they try that and get no results? Did Sanders campaign not agree to meet with them or not respond?
The "result" this is likely to produce (and IMO your OP is a bit of the pot calling kettle black here) is that Sanders' campaign - most progressive candidate we've had in years - will be destroyed by this meme, which bytheway started weeks ago. Those who prefer Hillary will be thrilled by that. The GOP will be thrilled too. And ultimately, none of this will help BLM cause a damn bit.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Posts like this do nothing but demonstrate the point about Sanders supporters.