Contrived= "too obviously designed to produce a particular result"

[J_J_]

con·trived
kənˈtrīvd/
adjective
adjective: contrived

deliberately created rather than arising naturally or spontaneously.

created or arranged in a way that seems artificial and unrealistic.

too obviously designed to produce a particular result

The Black Lives Matter protest and absurd response by supporters of other candidates seems to fit the definition.

[stevenleser]

1. If you lecture and dismiss the concerns of African Americans enough, they will support Bernie

Um, actually, no they won't.

Quite the opposite.

Take that in or don't. Up to you.

[KittyWampus]

5. Bernie supporters need to realize that black protestors

are just as interested as grabbing attention using the media following their candidate around as any other protestors would be.

[MohRokTah]

10. Especially when the Primary Process favors white voters.

The only way those two candidates will get a toehold is to do well in Iowa and New Hampshire, two of the whitest states in America.

[J_J_]

6. As if this stupid tactic of making up bullshit will turn people toward Hillary

good luck with that

[DanTex]

9. People don't need to be "turned towards Hillary". They already support her by huge margins.

Especially minorities.

[J_J_]

13. That is so obvious by her huge crowds and overwhelming support for her ideas

n/t

[stevenleser]

17. Yeah, um, 5000 people in each city isn't enough to win the nomination. It just means you have

a small cadre of enthusiastic supporters. Ron Paul and Rand Paul have had that for years, and they never get near the nomination.

[DanTex]

24. And also the poll numbers. They are remarkable.

[Sheepshank]

35. did you by any chance copy the OP to any public site?

Like maybe Bernie's Site or the BLM or any other public forum?

Because with friends like you the Dems really don't need Soros or any other contrived woo, to help Hillary.

Thanks in advance

[whatchamacallit]

7. Any voters, in any demographic, who base their decision on a like or dislike of a candidate's supporters

are doing it wrong.

[MohRokTah]

15. Who are you to dictate how people choose to vote?

[whatchamacallit]

18. Lol! So in your mind

factoring a candidate's chat room supporters is an intelligent and perfectly legitimate approach to choosing POTUS. Hoo boy...

[MohRokTah]

19. Of course it is.

Anything one chooses to use in order to make up their mind is their right.

Hell, some people vote for the person they'd most like to drink a beer with.

Welcome to democracy.

[whatchamacallit]

20. Ok, you think it's legitmate, how about intelligent?

Also, could you answer my question in the thread you started and seem to have abandoned.

[MohRokTah]

21. I won't comment one way or the other on how people make their choices.

Also, I usually don't answer questions that do not deserve an answer.

[whatchamacallit]

25. This

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251462281#post22

does not deserve an answer? Wth is your deal?

[artislife]

47. The PUMAS

were part of the reason I was turned off by Hilary.

Forever.

There were similar posts in the feminist sites telling me to forget that I was Latina and step in line for a woman. I realized then that they need you when they need you and when you don't comply---good bye and let me throw stones at you while you leave.

And sadly that is what I am seeing with some white progressives with this event.

When I thought Obama wouldn't win the nom it made me very sad, I didn't want to help those loud, vile supporters.

I know not all supporters of Hillary are like that, there are good people who are excited by her and love her. It was extremely difficult to see that truth after the primary and hell....years..

So again, please try to take your emotions out of this and really listen. Like a good and fair judge. Hear this side. Believe me, when we get to an understanding it will be so much better than this reality.

[GoneFishin]

12. If that happens let me specifically know who is doing that and exactly how. I see you pretending

that is happening but those are your words, and others like you who, are trying to gin up ill will where there is none.

Be specific or don't respond. I am sure the temptation to put words in my mouth, or Bernie Sanders mouth is overpowering. And since you will find no real dialog that achieves your goal you will, no doubt, resort to making something up out of thin air.

[stevenleser]

16. Yeah, um, good luck with all of that. nt

[GoneFishin]

22. I thought so.

[stevenleser]

23. No, you didn't, because you still don't get it. nt

[GoneFishin]

26. Hmmm.

[Snotcicles]

27. Aren't you worried that image at the bottom of your page might reach up and slap you? nt

[stevenleser]

28. LOL, right, Malala would be so upset at calls for equality and social justice.

You didn't think about what you were writing before you posted that, did you?

[Snotcicles]

30. Oh yeah I did. I've see your posts and am completely aware. nt

[stevenleser]

32. Obviously not. nt

[Snotcicles]

34. LOL.nt

[London Lover Man]

41. You have less credibility than you think, Steven.

Anyone who appears on Faux News just for shits and giggles has zero credibility.

Hell, anyone who appears in Fox News to talk has zero credibility and you lent credence to the legitimacy of the farce that is called Fox News.

HAND.

[stevenleser]

43. I don't care what you think about me. The issue is not dependent on that. nt

[sabrina 1]

39. When you claim to speak for all AAs, a lot of them, like Women eg, and just about

everyone else when a small group claims to speak for everyone, get pretty upset with you.

When you post on a forum and don't even know who the minorities there are and assume it is just a small group, I would say you don't much care about them, at least that is what they think, same with women and gays who often are TOLD who speaks for them.

Maybe pay attention to those on DU who speak for themselves, though it's hard to be heard above the shouting.

And then go out in the world and see what other minorities are saying, not just those who fit your own personal beliefs.

You'd be amazed if you actually listened to the voices of those who are not being heard.

[GoneFishin]

2. While simultaneously damaging the cause you purport to serve by stifling your advocates.

[KittyWampus]

3. Another conspiracy thread! Good to have you on the record as being in that camp.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

4. Every deliberate action is 'contrived'.

If you try to think about it from the protesters' point of view, you might think gee, this protest was 'contrived' to A) garner more press for BLM, and B) force candidates to actually put together policy to DO something about black people being murdered by police in order to win black votes.

They want an outcome (or a 'particular result' as you call it) - black people no longer being murdered by police (and white civilians) who then are not convicted of murder.

They have a power - black votes. So they make it plain that they will use their power to try to obtain their needed outcome.

It's up to the candidates to get from point A) seeing their need, to point B) addressing that need, to C) being rewarded with those votes.

[J_J_]

11. There is a black man in the white house who has done nothing to help the plight of black people

They are barking up the wrong tree which makes it seem obviously contrived.

And the way Hillary supporters think it is so important and won't let it go....also seems contrived.

If this is all Hillary and her supporters can do to 'help' her- that is just pathetic.

The crowds are showing us all we need to know about the primaries, and obviously the Hillary campaign and media are running scared.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

14. Hillary won't get a pass.

They've stated they intend to protest a lot more going forward. Every candidate is going to have to decide whether the cause is important enough, either in and of itself, or as simple electoral math. I want Sanders to win, and I hope he'll take this seriously and rise up to meet the challenge, and do something useful as President to end 'open season'.

[sabrina 1]

40. Well, I asked them directly if they planned to do this to Republicans and to Hillary

and any other candidates who enter the race.

Re Republicans, the response was 'that would be stupid, they don't want our votes anyhow'. Re Hillary, I didn't get a direct answer even though I tried.

So there seems to be a difference of opinion about it with some claiming it will be done to all candidates, others saying no.

So we'll see, I guess even among themselves they don't agree. That is normal within any movement.

[bettyellen]

29. Thank you. Never thought I'd see people try to slime BLM here at DU.

It's pretty foolish. And that the candidates all need to address these concerns with concrete plans should be obvious to all right now.

[AgingAmerican]

33. Hillary seems to be the only one NOT doing that

She seems to have no plans to solve anything. Takes few positions on issues.

[bettyellen]

37. Bernie has been concentrating on economic fixes as if that adressed their issues. It did not.

He is learning that it's not enough.
Hillary won't be spared their wrath either.

[AgingAmerican]

38. Bernie has been addressing ALL these issues

Hillary has not and will not.

[sabrina 1]

42. No, he has been addressing all these issues for years. While the Clintons eg

were promoting Reagan like 'law and order' and 'three strikes and you're out' which disproportionately affected minorities, Bernie was OPPOSING it FOR those reasons.

And that is why right now, more and more AAs are lining up in support of who they say, 'is the ONLY candidate who isn't just trying to get our votes', but who has been doing the right thing, voting the right way his entire life'.

It's funny what happens here on DU. A couple of people start yelling about something, women, minorities, hoping to use them for political purposes and before long they don't know what is going on the world, then they are shocked to find out, their opinions are not exactly the opinions of others they claim to represent.

It's all good for the candidate I support however, so let them use it, people know sincerity when they see it.

[bettyellen]

45. Lol @ a couple people "using women and minorities" as if BLM

Doesn't even exist- or that they don't matter - and it seems many here wish they didn't all of a sudden.


If BLM you nothing this weekend, so be it.
Stick your head in the ground and think that it's just here, and only some grudge match between DUers or about Hillary supporters. Not helping Sanders one bit, but I don't think his supporters here are going to matter a whit in the end, they certainly won't influence who I vote for- so whatever.

[JaneyVee]

8. I'll state the obvious:

[AgingAmerican]

31. You sound like you are describing the corporate candidate

Hillary. Contrived by the DNC, Corporations and Billionaires.

[J_J_]

36. well, that too

[Triana]

44. You don't speak for me. I do. And what I don't grok is...

... why BLM - when someone like Sanders is obviously in their corner (whether they like his framing or not) would ambush this candidate OR O'Malley (who is also in their corner) by disrupting a campaign event and claim that's "starting dialogue" about the issues.

Why not choose some representatives or groups from BLM and directly ask for a sit-down meeting with Sanders and his campaign to discuss what it is that they want to hear and see from him to earn their votes, rather than disrupting their events?

I understand the need to address police brutality, social and economic injustice - all as symptoms of the disease of racism rather than as the other way around. But have they tried asking for direct dialogue with Sanders and O'Malley about this yet? Did they try that and get no results? Did Sanders campaign not agree to meet with them or not respond?

The "result" this is likely to produce (and IMO your OP is a bit of the pot calling kettle black here) is that Sanders' campaign - most progressive candidate we've had in years - will be destroyed by this meme, which bytheway started weeks ago. Those who prefer Hillary will be thrilled by that. The GOP will be thrilled too. And ultimately, none of this will help BLM cause a damn bit.

[bettyellen]

46. From what I'm reading at DU, this was contrived by a few POC here? HA.

[Bobbie Jo]

48. Keep it up...

Posts like this do nothing but demonstrate the point about Sanders supporters.