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Iceberg Louie

(190 posts)
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 02:14 AM Jun 2012

Common sense prevails in North Dakota tonight

After hard-fought (and heavily-funded) efforts to push a pair of Tea Party initiatives on today's primary ballot, North Dakota proved that, despite being a historically red state, it's people can still surprise us all with demonstrations of common sense and the capability of resistance to right-wing media hype.

Measure 2 was an effort to abolish property tax altogether. While most agree that property taxes in ND could be reasonably lower, they are set at the local level, and are used to fund municipal services, school and park districts, among other functionalities. While the idea of their elimination may be a wet dream for those of the Taxed Enough Already philosophy, the reality remains that doing so shifts the burden of funding to the state level, and creates a projected annual deficit of $80 million to which no proposal to offset was addressed.

Scarier, though, was the much-ballyhooed Measure 3, known as the Religious Liberty Referendum. This joint effort by the North Dakota Family Alliance, the Catholic Conference, and the New John Birch Society (no joke) was a knee-jerk reactionary right-wing response to the contraception "debate". It would amend the state Constitution as follows:

"Government may not burden a person’s or religious organization’s religious liberty. The right to act or refuse to act in a manner motivated by a sincerely held religious belief may not be burdened unless the government proves it has a compelling governmental interest in infringing the specific act or refusal to act and has used the least restrictive means to further that interest. A burden includes indirect burdens such as withholding benefits, assessing penalties, or an exclusion from programs or access to facilities."

To any rational-minded person, the implications of the vague, broad language of this proposal should be concerning. It would effectively allow Constitutional sanction of domestic violence, terrorism of women's health facilities, child marriage, among other religion-approved atrocities. Spending on promoting this measure exceeded $700,000, over seven times the average ballot measure campaign budget for the state.

Gratefully, the people of ND displayed not only the horse sense, but the motivation to vote down both of these attempts by the right wing to flaunt it's perceived influence. I like to believe it is a sign that the Midwest hasn't completely fallen prey to the domino effect the GOP is expecting in the wake of Wisconsin.

[link:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/12/north-dakota-primary-2012-property-taxes-religious-freedom_n_1591957.html|

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JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
2. The proposition about religion is quite funny.
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 02:42 AM
Jun 2012

There is supposed to be some American Indian religion (it has been claimed. I don't really know much about the religion.) that uses certain drugs, maybe marijuana, maybe peyote. That proposition would mean that droves of people would join that religion to circumvent drug laws. The right-wing in N. Dakota was pretty naive to put that on the ballot. How funny.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
7. Peyote use by members of the American Indian Church has been legal for some time
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 05:00 AM
Jun 2012

Federal law
Peyote ceremony tipi

As a result of the U.S. Supreme Court decision in Employment Division, Department of Human Resources of Oregon v. Smith, 494 U.S. 872 (1990), which, among other things, put the legal use of peyote by American Indians into uncertainty and potential legal jeopardy, Congress passed an amendment to the American Indian Religious Freedom Act of 1978 (42 U.S.C. § 1996), i.e., the American Indian Religious Freedom Act Amendments of 1994 (42 U.S.C. § 1996a), pertinent excerpts of which are given below:

Use, possession, or transportation of peyote

Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the use, possession, or transportation of peyote by an Indian for bona fide traditional ceremonial purposes in connection with the practice of a traditional Indian religion is lawful, and shall not be prohibited by the United States or any State. No Indian shall be penalized or discriminated against on the basis of such use, possession or transportation, including, but not limited to, denial of otherwise applicable benefits under public assistance programs.
—42 U.S.C. 1996A(b)(1).

Definitions

For purposes of this section— (1) the term “Indian” means a member of an Indian tribe; (2) the term “Indian tribe” means any tribe, band, nation, pueblo, or other organized group or community of Indians, including any Alaska Native village (as defined in, or established pursuant to, the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act (43 U.S.C. § 1601 et seq.)), which is recognized as eligible for the special programs and services provided by the United States to Indians because of their status as Indians; (3) the term “Indian religion” means any religion— (A) which is practiced by Indians, and
(B) the origin and interpretation of which is from within a traditional Indian culture or community; and (4) the term “State” means any State of the United States, and any political subdivision thereof.
—42 U.S.C. 1996A(c)

Protection of rights of Indians and Indian tribes

Nothing in this section shall be construed as abrogating, diminishing, or otherwise affecting— (1) the inherent rights of any Indian tribe; (2) the rights, express or implicit, of any Indian tribe which exist under treaties, Executive orders, and laws of the United States; (3) the inherent right of Indians to practice their religions; and
(4) the right of Indians to practice their religions under any Federal or State law.
—42 U.S.C. 1996A(d)

This page was last modified on 4 June 2012 at 02:03.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_Church

Rastafarians should look into that one

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
3. And yet, how many Tea Partiers actually own property?
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 02:44 AM
Jun 2012

Renting a double-wide and sponging someone else's cable doesn't make you propertied, y'all

harmonicon

(12,008 posts)
5. That's all good and fine, but I'm pretty sure that North Dakota isn't in the midwest.
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 04:21 AM
Jun 2012

As a basic rule of thumb, if a state was a location of ye olde timey Cowboys and Indians stuff, it's in the west, not the midwest.

harmonicon

(12,008 posts)
8. By whose definition?
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 05:53 AM
Jun 2012

This is honestly something that fascinates me. It seems that lately people want to include a gigantic chunk of the US in "the midwest", but there is historical president for use of the term which dates to before the current US map.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
9. The US Census Bureau's
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 06:03 AM
Jun 2012

The Midwestern United States as defined by the United States , is one of the four U.S. geographic regions.[1] Though it is geographically in the north, and more eastern than western, the term refers to the fact that the region is midway to the opposite coast when heading directly west from New England and New York, where the term originated. The area is now called the Midwest throughout the English-speaking world.

The region consists of 12 states in the north-central and north-eastern United States: Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, Ohio, South Dakota and Wisconsin.[1] Ontario is often associated with it, due to its location and relationship with Michigan.[2][3][4] A 2012 United States Census put the population at 65,377,684. Both the population center and the geographic center of the contiguous United States are in the Midwest, in Missouri and Kansas, respectively.

Chicago is the largest city in the region, followed by Indianapolis, Columbus, Detroit, Milwaukee, Kansas City, Mo., and Omaha. Chicago and its suburbs form the largest metropolitan statistical area, followed by Metro Detroit, the Twin Cities, Greater St. Louis, Greater Cleveland and Kansas City area.[5] Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan, is the oldest city in the region, having been founded by French missionaries and explorers in 1668.

This page was last modified on 13 June 2012 at 00:31.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwestern_United_States

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
10. A few decades ago the population center was my home town.
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 06:19 AM
Jun 2012

Mascoutah, IL (pop: ~5000 at the time). It was a huge deal for us. Big ceremony, the media was there, a statue was erected. Oh, the good ole days of small town life!

harmonicon

(12,008 posts)
15. This to me is the key sentence in the entry though:
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 03:38 AM
Jun 2012

"The four westernmost states of the Midwest—the Dakotas, Nebraska, and Kansas—were in the late 19th century very much part of the "Old West"."

This is the area that, when I was a kid, we called "the great plains." That term seems to have gone into disuse, but I don't know why. As far as weather goes, and therefore crop production, it is different from those other states.

I also don't count Missouri as the midwest, because it was a slave-state, which in my mind puts it in the South.

I think there are also some dialect maps that bear out the distinction I'm making:

Iceberg Louie

(190 posts)
11. I was born and raised in North Dakota, and we have always been regarded as a Midwest state
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 10:05 AM
Jun 2012

A few tourism ads for the Badlands touting the region as "Where the West Begins" notwithstanding, North Dakota has always self-identified as well as by the rest of the nation as "upper Midwest", geographically (we are the geographic center of the continent), and culturally (ex. the Coen Brothers' film "Fargo", though technically it takes place in Minnesota). We are the home of Ole and Lena jokes, Norsk Hostfest, Good Samaritan laws, and the phrase "ya shoore, y' betcha", despite the co-opting by Sarah Palin.

My main point with regards to the Wisconsin association was that the CON-servatives had been licking their fangs in anticipation of Walker's recall victory. Their consensus logic was that they could claim a mandate on the results for their perceived conservative "silent majority", and that the anticipated success with this ballot in North Dakota was to signal the next step in their "conservative revolution". The GOP was banking pretty heavily on these two measures, and dumped an inordinately large amount of cash into pushing them through. Thankfully, the people of ND tend to be center-right fiscally and center-left socially, and chose not to drink the Kool-Aid on this.

harmonicon

(12,008 posts)
16. The voters definitely made the right choice politically.
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 03:45 AM
Jun 2012

I'm actually kind of surprised to know that someone growing up in ND thinks of it as the midwest. To me, growing up in Michigan, the midwest basically meant the great lakes states, minus those which border the Atlantic (Pennsylvania and New York).

I suppose none of this semantic stuff matters that much, but I can't help being interested in it.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
12. My ex Republican hubby is from the Dakotas and this was a sweet win coming from
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 11:55 AM
Jun 2012

that state. The majority of people that I have met and observed over the years are
church going, down to earth people... yes there are those who cannot stand that there is a black man in the White House.

I was worried about this vote, worried that if passed other red states would try to pass it too.

Thank you North Dakota for stopping crazy from growing.

struggle4progress

(118,233 posts)
14. They were smart about the Fighting Sioux, the property tax, and religious freedom -- but maybe not
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 08:51 PM
Jun 2012

so smart about letting legislators hold appointed statewide offices

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