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Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:03 PM

Is there any likelihood that Obama will not endorse Clinton?

They have enjoyed a close working relationship and she seems to be willing to pick up a lot of his key issues. Black and Hispanic voters already have a long history with the Clintons, and if she secures that huge bloc of voters it would be very hard for her rivals to beat those numbers.

Or maybe Obama won't endorse anyone, but whether he does or doesn't, its vital that the winning Dem candidate attract minority voters to defeat the Republicans.

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Reply Is there any likelihood that Obama will not endorse Clinton? (Original post)
procon Jul 2015 OP
still_one Jul 2015 #1
Purveyor Jul 2015 #11
brooklynite Jul 2015 #30
Purveyor Jul 2015 #32
brooklynite Jul 2015 #34
Purveyor Jul 2015 #35
brooklynite Jul 2015 #36
Purveyor Jul 2015 #37
Raine1967 Jul 2015 #44
MADem Jul 2015 #46
leveymg Jul 2015 #31
sufrommich Jul 2015 #2
Scootaloo Jul 2015 #7
sufrommich Jul 2015 #9
Post removed Jul 2015 #17
sufrommich Jul 2015 #18
Scootaloo Jul 2015 #25
sufrommich Jul 2015 #26
Scootaloo Jul 2015 #27
sufrommich Jul 2015 #28
procon Jul 2015 #29
Control-Z Jul 2015 #33
artislife Jul 2015 #21
sufrommich Jul 2015 #24
London Lover Man Jul 2015 #53
procon Jul 2015 #15
Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #20
Raine1967 Jul 2015 #45
YOHABLO Jul 2015 #3
oasis Jul 2015 #14
artislife Jul 2015 #23
frylock Jul 2015 #43
onehandle Jul 2015 #4
The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #5
shenmue Jul 2015 #6
BillZBubb Jul 2015 #8
1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #47
BillZBubb Jul 2015 #50
1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #51
okasha Jul 2015 #54
BillZBubb Jul 2015 #56
okasha Jul 2015 #57
BillZBubb Jul 2015 #58
olddots Jul 2015 #10
Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #12
Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #13
BooScout Jul 2015 #16
PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #19
Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #22
Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #38
brooklynite Jul 2015 #39
Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #40
1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #48
MADem Jul 2015 #42
MADem Jul 2015 #41
oldandhappy Jul 2015 #49
Raine1967 Jul 2015 #52
BainsBane Jul 2015 #55

Response to procon (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:05 PM

1. Unless Biden runs, I think it is a sure thing

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Response to still_one (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:12 PM

11. I'm thinking more and more that Joe is going to run. His

 

appearence with the President today reenforced my thoughts..

What fun that should be around here if he does.


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Response to Purveyor (Reply #11)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:21 PM

30. Biden ALWAYS shows up when Obama makes a foreign policy announcement.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #30)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:42 PM

32. We shall see... eom

 

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Response to Purveyor (Reply #32)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:45 PM

34. The reasons Biden WON'T run are...

1. He's at the top of his career, and won't want to sully his image by losing the nomination -- again -- and especially losing to Hillary Clinton.

2. He'll be hard-pressed to raise the money and assemble the political team he'd need to compete with Hillary Clinton. All the good talent and the fundraisers will be tied up with other teams.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #34)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:51 PM

35. You just 'hang tight' with that. Imo there is a better than 50-50 he jumps in, most likely with

 

President Obama encouragement. There is scant little love between the Obamas' and the Clintons.

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Response to Purveyor (Reply #35)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:52 PM

36. That's why Obama appointed Clinton as SOS?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #36)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:57 PM

37. As I said earlier, we shall see... eom

 

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #34)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:27 PM

44. This…

I have mentioned it before, but I have a good friend who was very close to Biden during his last campaign. HE knows Joe and I asked him about this earlier this year (Superbowl Sunday, to be exact).

He said Joe does;t want to run again and risk losing a third time. He's got a sweet gig right now and is loving what he is doing.

I would love to see him in the race, but I simply do not see it happening.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #34)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:42 PM

46. Reason Number Three....

He knows full well that it's a fool's errand to stand in the way of history. His good friends have said as much. And HRC's presidency would be historical in every respect.

And reason number four--he's behind her in all polls by a monstrous amount.

Your point about money is especially salient--his donors are, in many cases, her donors...and she's got her donors locked up. Same deal with superdelegates, as well--he and HRC are long term friends, travel in the same circles (and that's no joke; their families have gone on VACATION together!). There's just no path to the nomination for Biden as long as Clinton is in the race--not money, not endorsements, not poll numbers.

Last, but not least, he was recently kicked in the gut with the death of Beau. That kind of tragedy is not easily overcome. The grief process can be long and the stress of campaigning wouldn't help him heal. He'd be better off serving as a surrogate and a champion for the nominee--that's in his wheelhouse and would be far less stressful.

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Response to still_one (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:23 PM

31. The President graciously accepted Madam Secretary's resignation in '12

That should tell you something. He fired CIA Director Petreaus on much less cordial terms.

Enough said.

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Response to procon (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:05 PM

2. Obama is going to endorse the democratic primary winner. nt

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:08 PM

7. Right there.

 

He's not going to barnstorm the primary.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:10 PM

9. I don't think any president has ever done it. nt

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Response to Post removed (Reply #17)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:28 PM

18. Oh my. Too much coffee? nt

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Response to Post removed (Reply #17)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:48 PM

25. Oh lord n/t

 

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #25)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:49 PM

26. I think his socks are on too tight. nt

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #26)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:51 PM

27. On his head n/t

 

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #27)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:52 PM

28. lol. nt

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Response to Post removed (Reply #17)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:57 PM

29. Wrong thread?

Certainly wrong info.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #17)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:42 PM

33. Because Hassan Rouhani wasn't

elected President of Iran until 2013?

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:37 PM

21. I think you are right on this

 

He has played hands off in a lot of situations for better or worse. He will back the nominee.


*All bets are off if Biden joins the race. Those two are deep.

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Response to artislife (Reply #21)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:46 PM

24. I think even if Biden joins the race Obama will

stay out of it. He's too classy to insert himself into the primaries and Biden is too classy to expect him to.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:30 PM

53. He best stay out of it.

 

He ruined a few primaries that could have easily shifted to the favor of the Democrats...

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:18 PM

15. That's probably how it will go.

Although even without an official declaration, he does pretty good with a wink and a nod.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:36 PM

20. yes I would think so

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:28 PM

45. I was going to say the very same thing.

I thought that was politics 101.

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Response to procon (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:05 PM

3. Oh please, you know he's going to endorse her. He still owes big time.

 

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:14 PM

14. Yup

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:44 PM

23. Just interested in what you mean

 

by "He still owes her big time.


I think he has been exceptionally wonderful. He asked his supporters to help pay off her campaign debts, he offered her the SOS and never undermined her position. I can't think of, not saying there wasn't, another President doing that for his opponent in the Primaries. I think she has treated him, for most part, equally as well. I understand that she must move away from his presidency in part to make her case that she is a leader with her own thoughts of how she would run things. They seem to honestly respect each other.

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:20 PM

43. He still owes big time? Owes what? And why?

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Response to procon (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:06 PM

4. He will endorse Hillary when she is clearly the nominee.

Which will be early next year when she has 2000+ delegates even before Super Tuesday.

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Response to procon (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:06 PM

5. Sitting presidents generally wait to endorse the winner of the primary.

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Response to procon (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:07 PM

6. I don't think so

I think he'll opt for Clinton.

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Response to procon (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:09 PM

8. If she is the nominee and asks for his endorsement, she'll get it.

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Response to BillZBubb (Reply #8)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:19 PM

47. She won't have to ask, if she wins the primaries. n/t

 

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #47)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:27 PM

50. I was suggesting the possibility that she might not want it.

For instance, if the politics on the Iran deal goes sideways, she may want to distance herself from the president. Not saying that will happen, but with over a year to go until the election, things can happen.

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Response to BillZBubb (Reply #50)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:28 PM

51. True. n/t

 

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Response to BillZBubb (Reply #50)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:17 AM

54. That was a huge mistake for Gore.

Hillary won't repeat it.

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Response to okasha (Reply #54)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 04:10 PM

56. Big difference though.

In spite of Monica L., Bill Clinton's approval ratings were very good. Gore was a fool to distance himself because of the right wing attacks on Clinton.

In my hypothetical, president Obama's popularity would fall because of right wing/Israeli attacks on the Iran deal. Hillary would then have a dilemma.

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Response to BillZBubb (Reply #56)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 04:30 PM

57. Too many buried assumptions.

Attacks from the right aren't likely to affect Obama's popularity--they attack him for breathing. Likewise Hillary. This looks like a non-dilemma to me.

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Response to okasha (Reply #57)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 04:35 PM

58. As I said, I only offered that as a possibility.

Things happen in politics. Sometimes strange and unexpected things.

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Response to procon (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:12 PM

10. Obama should endorse Trump

 

it would freak out the pukes and DU could go back to normal .

Actually aren't sitting presidents supposed to keep neutral ?

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Response to procon (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:13 PM

12. I doubt The President will endorse anyone in the primary.

Even if Biden gets in.

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Response to procon (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:13 PM

13. I have confidence he will endorse Hillary.

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Response to procon (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:18 PM

16. Since Hillary will be the nominee...

He will endorse her. A sitting President who would not endorse a nominee would be tantamount to endorsing the GOP nominee.

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Response to procon (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:30 PM

19. He'll endorse the winner of the Democratic primary. n/t

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Response to procon (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:39 PM

22. Obama will endorse the candidate that wins the nomination. /end thread. nt

 

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Response to procon (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:58 PM

38. Zero.

Turns out he's just as corporate loving as she is.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #38)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:01 PM

39. If that's how you feel, I wouldn't vote for him again...

...that'll teach him.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #39)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:02 PM

40. What do you mean, "again?"

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #40)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:20 PM

48. A singlr moment of honesty. n/t

 

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #39)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:15 PM

42. .....



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Response to procon (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:13 PM

41. Seeing as she's been serving as his surrogate up on the Hill today, I think she's got his approval.

She's keeping the delegations in the House and Senate in line with regard to the Iran nuclear deal--that is what she was doing--at Obama's behest--today up on the Hill.

So, I think his endorsement of her is pretty much a foregone conclusion. She was his SECSTATE after all--she helped make that deal happen.

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Response to procon (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:22 PM

49. Pretty sure he will wait and endorse the candidate.

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Response to procon (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:29 PM

52. The President will endorse the Party Nominee.

That is a very simple answer. It's politics 101.

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Response to procon (Original post)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:05 AM

55. Depends if Biden runs

If he does, I expect the President will stay neutral. If not, I expect he will endorse Hillary Clinton.

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