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Mon Jul 13, 2015, 07:43 PM

Sanders no longer links lack of orgasm with cancer, right?

Sorry if already posted and cleared, I just heard about it recently.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/04/us/politics/bernie-sanderss-revolutionary-roots-were-nurtured-in-60s-vermont.html



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Response to question everything (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 07:46 PM

1. Been there, done that n/t

 

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 07:48 PM

6. Orgasms? Me too.

 

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #6)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 08:16 PM

41. Yes, that too :)

 

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 07:46 PM

2. ....

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 07:47 PM

3. He actually said that?

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 07:52 PM

9. No. He quoted studies from 50 years ago which made those claims

 

For those too lazy to actually read the article:

Mr. Sanders contributed only sporadically. He interviewed a “labor agitator” and an old-time farmer, and he wrote some articles about health, including one in which he cited studies claiming that cancer could be caused by psychological factors such as unresolved hostility toward one’s mother, a tendency to bury aggression beneath a “facade of pleasantness” and having too few orgasms.

“Sexual adjustment seemed to be very poor in those with cancer of the cervix,” he wrote, quoting a study in a journal called Psychosomatic Medicine

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #9)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 07:55 PM

13. Thanks.

 

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #9)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 07:58 PM

16. Just like Todd Akin and others "quoted" a study

that in a "legitimate rape" the woman body "rejects the whole thing" and would not get pregnant.

Why would any man "quote a study" about any part of women sexuality?

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Response to question everything (Reply #16)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 07:59 PM

17. Wrong. Akin said a friend told him that. And you are clearly being disingenuous.

 

Why not, you know, read the link?

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Response to question everything (Reply #16)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 10:39 PM

101. agenda?

 

this isn't a classy way to defend Hillary if that's what you're after

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Response to question everything (Reply #16)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:14 PM

256. Link to study Akin quoted please...

thanks.

And as to your question... are you kidding me? Ever hear of Masters and Johnson? Geez. Do you really think no man has ever studied human sexuality, including women in that study?

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Response to question everything (Reply #16)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:58 AM

357. Uh, men have orgasms too.

And according to the Medical Daily, frequent (male) orgasms may reduce the risk of prostate cancer. And according to the Telegraph, an orgasm a day can reduce the risk of prostate cancer by up to 20%.

Methinks you're trying to make an issue out of something that isn't there...

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Response to question everything (Reply #16)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:02 AM

361. This statement was made 40 years ago

 

I support Hillary now, but if this trash continues I will support Bernie

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #9)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 06:40 PM

214. I stand with Sen. Sanders on this.

I support a rigorous national program of preventive treatment for cancer by promoting more orgasms. I also believe there will be other unintended but pleasant improvements to our society as a whole.

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Response to tazkcmo (Reply #214)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:32 PM

226. Hear hear!

for giving this thread all the respect and serious consideration it deserves!

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 07:53 PM

11. The Vermont Freeman

The Vermont Freeman, an alternative, authority-challenging newspaper published for a few years back then, in the 60s.

Mr. Sanders contributed only sporadically. He interviewed a “labor agitator” and an old-time farmer, and he wrote some articles about health, including one in which he cited studies claiming that cancer could be caused by psychological factors such as unresolved hostility toward one’s mother, a tendency to bury aggression beneath a “facade of pleasantness” and having too few orgasms.

From the above link

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Response to question everything (Reply #11)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 07:55 PM

12. Thanks.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 10:58 PM

107. I see Hillary's supporters are never going to discuss THEIR candidate on the issues

and we are going to be treated to more of this inane nonsense for quite some time.

No, he didn't say it, but hey, honesty and integrity haven't been a part of our politics in my living memory, until BERNIE CAME ALONG.

I'm kicking this so people can see the quality of the Hillary campaign. The Politics of Personal Destruction, AGAIN.

No wonder Bernie has continued to bring out the crowds.

You know, if someone had posted this trashy OP about Hillary, I would not have asked 'did she really say that'? I would have assumed it was being totally distorted.

I wonder why you even asked that question ...

So many of these non issue posts coming from Hillary supporters. Very bad tactics, but hey, it helps my candidate so fine by me ...

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #107)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 10:59 PM

108. I asked the question because i did not have the time to read the article.

 

Is that ok with you?

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #108)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 11:11 PM

110. What a cop out.

 

This is not acceptable. You sure had time to read the replies and post yourself. I would suggest learning the phrase "due diligence" you might learn to discern better.

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Response to artislife (Reply #110)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 11:12 PM

111. Well said!

Welcome to DU, artislife!


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Response to artislife (Reply #110)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 11:13 PM

112. Are you for real? Not acceptable?

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #112)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 11:14 PM

113. I'm for real. You certainly don't seem to be.

 

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Response to artislife (Reply #113)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 11:17 PM

114. This is just too funny.

 

How dare i ask the op to clarify.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #114)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 11:32 PM

115. Especially when you don't read it. I don't know...how do you?

 

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Response to artislife (Reply #115)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 11:36 PM

116. What is your problem with me? I was in the middle of making dinner so i asked if it was really true.

 

Two responded with the appropriate passages and i thanked them.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #116)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 11:44 PM

117. Said so innocently and moving the tendril of hair to the side

 


Oh....I was busy...I was concerned ...I wondered...could this be true? I just don't have time....please help me to understand


in a breathy voice.

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Response to artislife (Reply #117)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 11:46 PM

118. I am done! I can't do this anymore. I am done!

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #118)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 11:50 PM

119. Oh come on, you mock Sanders supporters in your group all the time, justin.

Now it's suddenly too much when someone returns the favour?


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #119)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 11:59 PM

121. TY Beam me up nt

 

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Response to artislife (Reply #121)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:06 AM

122. You would think a Hillary supporter would know better.

Do they want others to believe all the hit pieces that are published about their candidate?

And the fact that the op didn't post any evidence for their claim was a dead giveaway.

I expect better from liberals.


Trekkies for Bernie!


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #122)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:09 AM

125. Sometimes I feel like I am facing KAAAAHHHHHNNNNN

 

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Response to artislife (Reply #125)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:15 AM

127. I got my user name from a bumpersticker:

Beam me up, Scottie, there's no intelligent life down here.

I think the creator had threads like this in mind when they came up with it.

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Response to artislife (Reply #125)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 04:28 PM

192. I see you're being called names now, just ignore them artislife.

They're trying to bait you into getting your post hidden, it's a common tactic.

Take the high road, they'll never be able to follow you there.


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #122)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:25 PM

173. Trekkies for Bernie indeed!

 

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #119)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:59 AM

167. God no kidding.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #119)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 11:29 AM

415. Now it's suddenly too much when someone returns the favour?

 

Well, when one cannot block someone and then giggle with glee about it for post after post...what's the point of hanging around?

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #415)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 07:53 PM

434. Exactly.

What good is being a host if you can't gloat and celebrate after banning your 100th poster?

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #119)

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 09:50 AM

439. There's mockery and there's mockery and homophobic mockery is on a totally different level.

eom

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #118)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 07:39 AM

140. That person is a bigot....

I hope MIRT gets him. Allow us to fight this one for you please.

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Response to Little Star (Reply #140)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 05:47 PM

207. How are they a bigot? Please enlighten me, if you may

 

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #207)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:31 PM

225. Bigot: Not a supporter of Hillary.

Can get you banned in certain DU groups.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #207)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:35 PM

227. Gimme a break...

If you can't see it for yourself when it is as plain a the nose on your face then I can't help you.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #250)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:41 AM

342. How the heck was that poster supposed to know you're gay? And I, and probably most others read that

Post as implying that you were feigning innocence in a cutesy way when you came into the thread with your "innocent question"-- "Said so innocently and moving the tendril of hair to the side
Oh....I was busy...I was concerned ...I wondered...could this be true? I just don't have time....please help me to understand
in a breathy voice."

Could apply to anyone - male, female, gay, straight, asexual, black, white, pink with purple polka dots...

So any time anyone says anything "mean" to you, they are to be labeled a "bigot" because you're gay??


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Response to kath (Reply #342)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:42 AM

343. Seriously? I have two gay icons kath.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #343)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:45 AM

345. A host should know how Du is displayed in various browsers.

You have NO icons in several mainstream browsers so that's a very unfair assumption you just made.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #345)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:48 AM

347. I use chrome and it appears.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #347)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:50 AM

349. Try safari on an iPhone.

Because you have a star for me, and that's all.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #349)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:52 AM

351. I did not know that. Learn something new every day.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #351)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:55 AM

354. Do you think maybe you should apologize to that poster?

You never tempered your outrage in the national cathedral/gender segregation thread when I proved it receives public money and cannot discriminate. I suspect you won't here, either.

Because you've already decided something. Discussion is already over for you, isn't it?

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #354)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:57 AM

356. No. I found it offensive.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #356)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:58 AM

358. Which could be ENTIRELY unfair to that poster.

This is why I object to you as a host. Zero impartiality. You take it all personally, every time.

That doesn't end well in the world of Internet forum moderation.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #358)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:01 AM

360. It wa meant to be personal. Can you stop obsessing over me and think of how i feel for once.

 

Do you think any attack on me is ok?

Look leave me the hell alone!

I am getting sick and tired of your treating me like i am a piece of garbage.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #360)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:04 AM

363. If I thought you were a piece of garbage, I'd be saying something very different to you.

I've never been shy about that. Must I remind you again, I've always told you the truth.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #363)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:05 AM

365. Leave me alone.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #360)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:33 AM

382. How the heck do you know s/he meant it to be personal? Mind reader?

As I said, I read it as a spoof of someone - ANYONE - feigning innocence.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #360)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 11:43 AM

416. Can you stop obsessing over me

 

Justin.... you have made 7,979 post in the last 90 days!

We aren't "obsessing" over you....we can't get way from you! (When did you have time to fix any dinner? How come you can read posts and comment while fixing dinner but not read the article?)


I don't put anyone on "Ignore"...neither do I report anyone or ban anyone. This is just a message board! An e-cocktail party! So let's all have another cocktail! Pink Lady? Sidecar? Between the Sheets?

Lighten up Sonny! Have some fun! Do something naughty!(not on DU) Your god will forgive you.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #343)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:31 AM

381. Not buying that excuse. I don't know about others, but I pay little attention to icons. They clutter

Up the page and make it so busy visually. I head straight for the text, especially since I am often trying to hurry so I can get back to what I really SHOULD be doing, rather than hanging out on DU

PLUS - lots of people have those icons.

PLUS - that poster was quite new.

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Response to Little Star (Reply #140)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:50 PM

247. Wht that posters last comment to me was very telling. I am a gay man and the comment was

 

disgusting.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #118)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:35 PM

240. Damn.

 

And I thought you were one of the good ones.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #240)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:36 PM

241. I beg your pardon? I didn't know i turned bad.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #241)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:38 PM

243. I love you dearly

 

but this is just sad.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #243)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:44 PM

246. I am going to ask you for the very last time. What are you talking about?.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #246)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:51 PM

249. Dude, this whole thread.

 

Participating in it.

I thought more highly of you than to take part in such a ridiculous piece of crap pie as this entire thread.

You are above this.

If this is the rabbit hole you want to go down, you will go down it without my assistance.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #249)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:53 PM

251. I asked a simple question.

 

I got attacked. You want to continue it.

Good night.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #251)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:56 PM

252. I gave a simple answer.

 

Nothing else I can say.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #252)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:57 PM

254. Good bye.

 

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Response to Aerows (Reply #249)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:06 PM

417. You are above this.

 

How is someone who gloats and giggles with glee for post after post for banning someone above this?

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #118)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:37 PM

242. Then quit doing it.

 

You have morals, I know you do.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #242)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:38 PM

244. What are you talking about?

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #244)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:21 PM

258. Um, being a host that leaves smears of other candidates in their group, that leaves an OP that

is a plan to take an attack on Sanders supporters into real life, editing posts after the other person and yourself have already replied to make the other person look wrong, being a bully host, feigning innocence when asking "did he really say that?", whining about being 'attacked' after all the above.

I know you want HRC to be president but you've really lost it. Your points don't even make sense any more. You actually told me in another thread that the GOP are obstructionists to campaign rhetoric. You should take a long break, for your own health and well being.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #258)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:23 PM

260. What attack on sanders supporters in real life?

 

Link to it please because i don't remember this one.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #280)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:49 PM

281. Are you for real?

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #281)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:51 PM

285. Can you not read?

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Response to cui bono (Reply #285)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:52 PM

287. Yes i can and your claim is laughable. Now how am i a bully host?

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #287)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:55 PM

290. We don't move on to the next issue until you acknowledge that the OP in the HRC group

was a plan to take the attack on Bernie supporters into real life. It's plain as day in the OP. If you are going to continue to deny facts there is no point in continuing.

Besides, plenty of other people have answered that for you in this thread.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #290)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:56 PM

293. As i said laughable.

 

Get me something real and we can talk.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #293)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:00 AM

296. That is real.

Last edited Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:44 AM - Edit history (1)

...

Done with this now. You go ahead and keep your head in the sand. One would think after all the people in here telling you how terrible your group's hosts are and you in particular you would actually feel bad about it and take some time to do a little self-reflecting.

SMH

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Response to cui bono (Reply #296)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:07 AM

300. No. My job is to protect hillary supporters from people that come inside our room to bait us.

 

Thus the long ban list.

You just don't care for me because i banned you.

Get over it.

And we don't need your help or permission to disscus sanders in our room.


Anything else?

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #300)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:12 AM

306. You are a shitty host.

I've said it before, I'll say it again, and I don't care if this is hidden because it'll stand as a monument anyway.

The day skinner told you hosts could do anything, including flagrantly violate their own SOP, you started treating any sort of dissent or even mild disagreement or the presence of a person you had a grudge against from another group, as a bannable offense.

That's something shitty hosts do.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #306)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:13 AM

309. Your obsession with me is noted. Btw i hope no one alerts or hides your delightful post.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #309)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:19 AM

315. It can stand until the heat death of the universe for all I care.

Or, until you stop treating people like shit when entrusted with host powers.

Do that, and I'll rescind my opinion.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #315)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:21 AM

317. When people stop disrupting the room i host in and treat us with respect then they will get mine.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #317)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:22 AM

320. Shame about your spurious definition of 'disruption' then.

Might want to have that looked at.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #320)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:25 AM

325. Go complaint to skinner. I lost interest.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #325)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:27 AM

328. You lost more than that.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #317)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:46 AM

386. You're an awesome host of Hillary's Group, Justin.

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Response to Cha (Reply #386)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:50 AM

388. Thanks. You always cheer me up.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #388)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 02:01 AM

394. Backatcha.. Mahalo Justin~

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #306)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:17 AM

377. ...

 

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

On Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:59 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

You are a shitty host.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=446003

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Joining in the pile on here is this particularly nasty post. 

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:15 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It really is the napoleonic hosts of the "protected groups" that make DU auck occasionally...and are the antithesis of democratic principles and liberalism.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Do I really need to explain why this is getting a vote to hide?
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: What a stupid, nasty post. No wonder they got banned from a group. They should probably be banned from a few more. 

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #306)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 08:25 AM

408. Because the Hosts of the Bernie Group are so tolerant ...

 

Right?

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #408)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 08:36 AM

409. Unknown.

If you followed this thread even casually, you should be able to see this is a history well beyond the HC group.

Any host of any group that lets meta and personal attacks stand on DU posters they don't like, and bans people they don't like on sight, probably should be called out for their behavior. If you know some like that in the Bernie group, go for it.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #408)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:01 PM

420. We gave you how many chances?



Finally your lame, "Oh whoops, I thought this was GD" bullshit lost it's credibility.

So yeah we are more tolerant. To a point.

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Response to Puglover (Reply #420)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 07:11 PM

432. I posted to two thread without paying attention to the group in which they were housed ...

 

until it was brought to my attention. I self-deleted the one post and apologized, when a Group host engaged me, in a similar manner as you have ... I was blocked shortly after posting, "I deleted the post ... what more do you want?"

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #300)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:16 AM

311. I could give a flying fuck that you banned me. I knew what I was doing.

But the truth must be told.

However I did lose complete respect for you when you intentionally edited a post of yours - OVER 20 MINUTES AFTER WE HAD BOTH REPLIED TO IT - in order to try and make me look wrong. That was despicable and so completely dishonest.

...

So you agree that you intentionally allow smears on Sanders to be left posted in the HRC room where you know they cannot be debunked? Well good, that's a start.

Now I really am done.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #311)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:18 AM

314. That was not intentional. My grammar is poor and i screwed up.

 

I looked liked the fool that day, not you.

I know you don't take my on my word of honor but on my faith that was not intentional.


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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #314)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:20 AM

316. No, the mistake was grammar. The editing of it WAY after the fact was intentional.

As I said then, if it weren't you would have said, oops, my bad, I meant to have a comma there. You wouldn't have inserted the comma after the fact without saying anything. And you wouldn't have then deleted the post that showed the edits.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #316)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:23 AM

322. Didn't i apologize after i edited it?

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #322)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:26 AM

327. Meh... not for editing it. Just for being 'wrong'.

And then you deleted it. You never acknowledged that you had edited after the fact. You said I looked again and saw that I was wrong. You don't need to look again if you are apologizing for editing a post after the fact.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #327)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:28 AM

330. Look i never meant to make you look bad. It was a bad error on my part.

 

I am sorry for that as I apologized that day.

I meant it then and mean it now.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #330)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:30 AM

332. I wish I could believe you were sincere. Before primary season I probably would have,

but I have seen too much now to do so. It's like you are a completely different person.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #332)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:32 AM

334. Then I am done addressing this and you.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #334)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:39 AM

338. Sadly, I'm not surprised.

Again, after so many people on this OP alone have said what they said, I would be taken aback and stop and think about it. It's real. Something has changed and it's not pretty.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #338)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:41 AM

341. Go complain to skinner. I am done apologizing over this edit.

 

I made a mistake but you want to carry it around like a trophy with fake outrage,

Look in a mirror before you judge me.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #341)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:43 AM

344. I'm not outraged.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #344)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:46 AM

346. Then stop carrying it around like a trophy to hammer me with.

 

You don't believe me but to be frank i doubt you as well.

Now leave me alone. You guys have turned this thread into the hrmjustin 7s a rat bastard thread and i am sick of it.

LEAVE ME ALONE!

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #346)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:49 AM

348. Straw man. I said you are a shitty HOST. That's about what you DO not what you ARE.

You can change what you DO. You can change how you treat people. It's very easy.

Before you became a host hand had to oh so regrettably (insert hand wringing) ban people from IF and PC, you had more fun here, didn't you?

It's brutally simple to change back.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #348)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:50 AM

350. This is not a host issue we are discusxing. Try to keep up.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #350)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:52 AM

352. I'd refer you to the post number but I can't.

The one I replied to with "+1". Have a look. Am I the one not keeping up?

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #346)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:04 AM

364. If you weren't going around complaining about everyone else and acting like you are as a host

I wouldn't. But you really have changed since you started supporting HRC and hosting that group.

I mean come on... you didn't even ask someone not to call Bernie a "flaming turd". You replied in that subthread so you knew the post was there. So yes, I doubt your sincerity. With good reason.

You really should go see how the Bernie Sanders group hosts, and members, behave. Anti-Hillary OPs/posts are locked or self-deleted by request. When people make an anti-Bernie comment they are warned that they are in the BSG, not banned immediately. They set a good example. I'm actually being sincere here although under the circumstances I'm sure you won't see it that way. I hope that you can see it though, and take it to heart.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #364)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:06 AM

366. Ok.

 

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Response to cui bono (Reply #364)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:10 AM

369. He has a habit of that. See the 'vermin' bit in my signature?

That's from a Poster, Starboard Tack, calling atheists from a&da/religion 'vermin'. He let that post stand. Self deleted his post up thread and locked his own thread, but didn't ask ST to self delete.

Banned the shit out of a bunch of us for asking a simple question though.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #338)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 07:35 PM

433. Sadly, nothing has actually changed

hrmjustin has exhibited this behavior many times in other groups in the past - it's just getting a lot more attention now because of the primary season battles. I gave up on pointing it out ages ago, and it's obvious he's rigidly set in his views, so I don't think there's any way to improve the situation.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #311)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:14 AM

373. good lord, people

What a ridiculous display.



Seriously, do you people see yourselves?

Get a fucking grip, it's a FUCKING MESSAGE BOARD.

Get off this guy's ass, you look ridiculous with the mob thing going on here.

"Now I'm really done"

Are you going to hold your breath too?

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #373)

Thu Jul 16, 2015, 01:23 AM

436. It really is a sight to behold, ain't it?

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Response to zappaman (Reply #436)

Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:54 AM

438. Just wow

Yet another proud DU moment.

The old saying rings true...

There's safety in numbers. (and anonymity for that matter)

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #300)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:55 AM

353. Your job is to enforce the SOP

which you are not doing.

"Discuss the life, career, and accomplishments of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton. Supporters only." you are focusing on only the last two words, and ignoring that it's not supposed to be a protected place to launch attacks on Bernie Sanders and his supporters.

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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #353)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:55 AM

355. Your opinion.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #355)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:09 AM

368. No, it is your job to enforce the SOP

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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #368)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:10 AM

371. Ok.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #371)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:12 AM

372. I'm glad you agree you're not doing your job

You're making progress now.

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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #372)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:14 AM

374. I am tired and worn down from this thread.

 

I have no more in me. Please leave me in peace.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #374)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:17 AM

378. Ok, you made some progress

Maybe walk away and reflect on what you learned.

Consider that if you can't handle this kind of stress that maybe you shouldn't be in such a high pressure position.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #374)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:23 AM

380. Your determination to take it all personally is part of the problem.

Is being a host worth that?

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #374)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:32 PM

419. Please leave me in peace.

 



I got banned IMMEDIATELY from the Hillary Group after posting this...my single post there. And I wasn't making fun of Hillary (in fact I never mentioned her)...but of the pearl clutching going on over there about how mean the GOP was being to Hillary. I thought she was "one tough mother".

It was a light hearted joke! But it's like a cult over there! There are enough chips on everyone's shoulders over there to fill a Lays family size bag!


This outrageous thread kinda proves it.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #296)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:09 AM

301. +1

I have told him all this before for the same reason. 2 totally unrelated groups he hosted. Ran them into the ground and made sure they were echo chambers.

Total lack of impartiality.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #258)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:35 PM

271. Still waiting for that link.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #271)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:50 PM

283. Wow! You waited a whole 12 minutes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess patience is yet another item we can cross of your virtue list.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #283)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:51 PM

284. No it is not.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #284)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:52 PM

288. Yes, it is.

The evidence has been presented.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #288)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:12 AM

305. In your mind but you have failed to prove it.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #305)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:17 AM

312. In your mind but you have failed to read and comprehend the OP I linked my reply to.

You know, maybe I'm not done. Maybe I can play your little game as long as you can. Haven't decided yet. Might just let you keep digging your hole.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #312)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:21 AM

318. Ok let me know.

 

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Response to cui bono (Reply #283)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:56 PM

291. It's his burgeoning social life. Got shit to do, places to be.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #291)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:14 AM

310. Your personal obsession with me is noted and sad.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #310)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:17 AM

313. Correction. My disapproval of how you treat people when given host powers.

That's not an 'obsession' that's a genuine concern.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #313)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:22 AM

321. Seems obsessive.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #321)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:24 AM

324. And yet we had many productive conversations before you got carte Blanche to ban anyone for anything

Once upon a time you weren't a monster with a magic button to silence any hint of dissent.

I suggest you give it up, stop being a host and try just contributing for a while.

You'll feel better, I promise.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #324)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:27 AM

329. So sad! Take care.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #329)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:29 AM

331. I know your finger itches. You want to click 'Revoke' so bad.

I do feel bad for you. I truly do.
As I said last time, I've always told you the truth. And that right there is pure strain unrefined truth. Do with it what you will. But you can't silence me today.

A jury will have to do it for you.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #331)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:31 AM

333. .

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #333)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:34 AM

335. Amusing is it? Let me refresh your memory.

I circled back weeks after denying there was an external group, when I discovered there really was. And I apologized to you. (Not for lying, for being wrong)

Being host brings out something you normally aren't. Give it up. You'll thank me later. You'll be much happier.

It's not like the HC group will go unmoderated in your absence.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #335)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:35 AM

336. Your concern for me is oh so touching.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #336)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:37 AM

337. Less for you.

More for the climate and tone of du.

Dissent and disagreement is fine. Is healthy. If you could discriminate between dissent/disagreement and genuine disruption, you'd be fine.

But all you see is trolls behind every twig and pebble.

It's not good. Not good at all.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #337)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:39 AM

339. TTFN!

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #339)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:41 AM

340. For now.

I do, seriously, implore you. Give up host.

It's just going to continue to be a problem and a distraction and make things about you, rather than issues until you do.

But it is not my doing, I merely foretell.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #258)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:22 AM

379. Self- delete

Last edited Wed Jul 15, 2015, 02:56 AM - Edit history (1)





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Response to kath (Reply #379)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:57 AM

390. Wow. Some people completely lose their minds during the primaries.

That is totally uncalled for and wouldn't be tolerated in the Sanders group.

Damn.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #244)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:24 PM

261. Not the first time your hosting skills have been... Questioned.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #261)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:26 PM

262. I have no problem with criticism of my hosting skills.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #262)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:28 PM

265. Oh, I think you do.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #265)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:29 PM

266. No i don't.

 

As long as it is given honestly.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #266)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:29 PM

267. Well, it certainly doesn't show.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #267)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:31 PM

268. Well when one is attacked by several people it gets a bit hard to deal with it.

 

But i am not saying there is not legeit criticism of me and my fellow hosts.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #268)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:34 PM

270. Well, when you swing a ban hammer at everything that moves

One tends to collect enemies.

Silencing ANY sort of dissent or even a simple question, tends to piss people off.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #270)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:38 PM

274. The Hillary Clinton room is for supporters only. Stated very clearly in the SOP.

 


It is our space away from Hillary hate.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #274)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:42 PM

276. You know damn well I'm not even talking about the Hc room.

Although, I'm not surprised to see you behaving that way in there. The Hc room doesn't even have the false pretense of welcoming the other side in for discussion, as the other two rooms you host claim in the SOP.

If you could be arsed to at least follow and enforce your own SOP instead of enforcing your personal biases, those other two groups wouldn't be an empty echo chamber.

Your own doing.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #276)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:43 PM

277. I only host HRC room now.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #277)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:46 PM

279. Sweet let me go make some threads for discussion..... Oh right.

You've already banned all the atheists.

Your legacy lives on.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #268)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:51 PM

286. No it's only hard to deal with here where people can defend themselves against your attacks.

You all prefer to retreat to your safe haven where you call Sanders' supporters names and complain about how you're treated.

It's really getting out of hand in there and you're just upset because people are noticing.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #286)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:54 PM

289. What did you think of this statement?

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=443536

As a gay man i found it insulting.


I will address your point in a second post.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #289)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:58 PM

294. I think they were mocking your faux naivete.

Not everyone knows you're gay, justin, and if I thought for one second they were mocking you for that I would have been all over them.



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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #294)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:01 AM

298. Seriously? I have two gay icons!

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #298)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:05 AM

299. Which are also used by straight allies.

And as you noted the person is a newbie.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #299)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:10 AM

303. Wow! Good night and good bye!

 

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #299)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:55 AM

389. I thought the icons were showing how Hillary is pro-LGBT, like me

 

I stated above, I have no idea that the poster was a man or woman or gay or bi or transgender or straight or asexual.

I am an ally.

I have voted for marriage equality.

I am invited to weddings that have two people of the same gender at the altar

I don't know how many friends I have who are LGBT because I don't bother to count them up like that. They are just my friends. It's Seattle, we kind of been past the surprise of knowing anyone who is LGBT. It isn't the most interesting side to who they are as people. Everyone is not just the sexuality in my mind.


I have long said we should focus on who we hate first and when we clear that up, we can worry how we love.

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Response to artislife (Reply #389)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:59 AM

392. You're fine, after reading your other posts here I had no doubt you were an ally.

Sorry you got called a bigot, those posts should have been hidden.

Some people prefer to attack first and ask questions later.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #392)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 02:03 AM

395. Thanks

 

Being called a bigot was the first time for me. That's why I looked it up and I always thought of it in terms of race but it is broader.

I have learned so many things today.

Sleep well my friend.

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Response to artislife (Reply #395)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 02:06 AM

396. You too!

I usually leave here wiser and wishing I had left sooner.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #396)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 02:07 AM

397. *chortle nt

 

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Response to artislife (Reply #397)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 02:10 AM

398. You're an atheist too? Have you checked out our heathen groups?

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #298)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 07:00 AM

405. on my smartphone you have no icons at all...

No sig line; you have a username and star only.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #294)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 08:49 AM

410. I a gay man and that is EXaCTlY what

they were doing. Same thing, if they were mocking him for being gay EVERYONE would have been all over the including admin.

It's his tiresome schtick that noone is buying anymore.

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Response to Puglover (Reply #410)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 05:55 PM

428. Hey Pug!!! Great thread here

I've been reading it all day at work. Sumbitch won't even load now :wave: keep up the good work, Love ya!

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Response to Heddi (Reply #428)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 06:01 PM

429. I should know better and ignore this baloney.

But I am weak. And get hooked in.

Hello Heddi!

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Response to Puglover (Reply #429)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 06:09 PM

430. Oh, live a little

this is the good stuff...and by posting, I can now revel in not being called to a jury of this trainwreck. I do love it, though. Reminds me of 2008...ah, good times good times

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Response to Puglover (Reply #410)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 06:29 PM

431. Yep, that got old a long time ago.

Good thing their attempt to get a new poster banned failed.

And they say Sanders' supporters don't play fair...


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #286)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:00 AM

295. I post in my safe haven because i don't get called third way or dino in there.

 

I get you guys have criticism but you guys should look in a mirfor as well.

The sanders room has a long ban list as well.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #295)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:10 AM

302. And you know you can attack other DUers in there with impunity.

The Sanders group hosts block members for shit stirring meta too, not simply because they don't support Bernie.

They don't allow their group to be used to post smears about other candidates and coordinate attacks on their supporters.

Maybe you should follow their lead.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #302)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:10 AM

304. Name me one person i attacled?

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #304)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:22 AM

319. Sanders supporters in general, and you also applaud other attacks/name calling.

A couple of recently hidden posts/threads come to mind but I won't post the links here.

And you welcomed and commiserated with the op after they got their post hidden in this thread for posting vile lies about Sanders.

You called it "criticism" when it was actually an awful smear against a Dem candidate.

Hey, if that's how you want to run your group that's up to you.

But as you can see it does cause problems elsewhere.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #319)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:24 AM

323. Take your concern to skinner then.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #323)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:59 AM

359. Didn't I say you could run your group however you want?

It's not up to me to tell you how to run the HC group, I'm just pointing out the fact that you're reaping what you sow out here in GD P.

Looks like I hit a nerve.

And fyi, people aren't piling on you because you're gay or support Hillary, justin.

They're just tired of the back biting and constant whining about persecution in your group.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #359)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:02 AM

362. We are tired how Sanders people treat us in GD.

 

Look in the mirror before you judge us.

Your concern has been noted.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #362)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:08 AM

367. And I'm sure our hosts are tired of how you treat us but they're acting like grown ups.

Not abusing their power to get even with people who post vile spewage about our candidate like the op.

And I'm comparing hosts' behavior and how they run their groups, not supporters'.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #367)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:10 AM

370. Ok.

 

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Response to artislife (Reply #117)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 07:42 AM

141. Bigot!

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Response to Little Star (Reply #141)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:24 AM

144. And the jury has spoken!

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Response to artislife (Reply #117)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 07:48 AM

142. Bigot

doesn't cover up the bigotry

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Response to Little Star (Reply #142)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 04:41 PM

197. ^^^Oh look, another HC host calling Bernie's supporters names^^^

Way to keep it classy, Little Star.

I'm glad the hosts of Bernie's group don't behave the same way, they obviously know it would reflect badly on their candidate.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #197)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 06:59 PM

219. She spoke the truth and the jury decided with her.

What she said is not near as offensive as to what she responded to. Just saying.



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Response to William769 (Reply #219)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 07:57 PM

221. I'm just glad the hosts of the Sanders group don't behave like that.

Our group rocks.


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Response to artislife (Reply #117)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:27 PM

263. You understand as a gay man i fiound this very offensive?

 

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Response to artislife (Reply #117)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:34 AM

383. I haven't been back to this thread...but I have no idea of anyone's identity

 

And I certainly was not making a reference to the poster's sexuality or gender...which I didn't know either. I did wonder why I was called a bigot, so I looked up the definition from the dictionary

a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
"don't let a few small-minded bigots destroy the good image of the city"
synonyms: chauvinist, partisan, sectarian;

I thought, well maybe I seem intolerant toward those holding different opinions....so I let it go.

I apologize to hrmjustin...I was was just commenting on how what they posted sounded like, not who they are as a person.



As for the rainbows, I turned my profile on Facebook to show the pride flag, I voted for marriage equality in Washington State and I am a progressive. I see those symbols and I think that the people who show them are either LBGT or LBGT friendly...and I don't think about it any further because what you do in the privacy of your own home is not my business. That's the luxury I have because I live in such a progressive area, those symbols are for many.

Wow is this site a mine field.

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Response to artislife (Reply #383)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:42 AM

384. Thank you for clarrifying.

 

No harm done to me. I am very tired as you can imagine after this long thread.

I am really worn down after this thread and defending myself.

Enjoy the site and no harm done.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #384)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:57 AM

391. Thank you for reading this...

 

I guess we all can sleep a little better.

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Response to artislife (Reply #383)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:46 AM

385. High-five, Ref74 buddy.

You didn't do anything wrong. When someone wants to be outraged, they'll find something to get outraged about. It's not a reflection on you.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #385)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 02:00 AM

393. Are we both atheists and from Washington?

 

Hello!

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Response to artislife (Reply #393)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 02:15 AM

399. We are indeed, welcome!

Sorry this thread was a bit ugly for one of your earlier experiences on DU, its primary season. And it's going to be, for a loooooong time. This is the phase of the election cycle where we eat our own.

Happens every time.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #399)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 02:21 AM

402. I like the O'Malley posters...they are best of us.

 

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Response to artislife (Reply #383)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:50 AM

387. Good on you, artislife.

Others didn't take it that way and now justin knows you didn't mean it as a slur.

DU is a scary place for newbies - especially during the primaries, I hope you stick around.



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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #116)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:09 AM

124. You are not innocent here

You are a host of the Hillary group and you allowed a meta thread in which the author of this OP defends her vile hidden post near the top of this thread. The post had nothing to do with Hillary and was all about defending a vile post suggesting that Bernie was a Republican with his head between women's legs. You came to the defense of the person who made that vile post, but when Scootaloo showed up to link to the actual facts so people could see just how vile the post you were defending was you banned him from the group.

Now I understand that you are a safe haven group and you have the right to ban people who don't support Clinton. The problem is however that you allow people like the OP to violate your group's SOP and make posts that have absolutely nothing to do with supporting Hillary. You are providing a safe haven for people to spread these nasty smears and you ban anyone who challenges those smears.

I used to have a lot of respect for you because I felt that even when I disagreed with you you treated people with kindness. When I see you allowing a safe haven for people to defend this sort of nastiness without challenge despite the fact that it does not even have anything to do with Hillary it makes me lose a lot of respect I once had for you.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #124)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 04:52 AM

138. Thank you, Bjorn Against.

This: "you are providing a safe haven for people to spread these nasty smears and you ban anyone who challenges those smears." Yep.

There is so much Meta in the HRC group, and so many threads and posts that have absolutely nothing to do with supporting Hillary. Justin congratulates people in that group for getting 3 hides in one evening for calling other DUers "fucking assholes" and telling them to "eat shit".
Violations of the so-called SOP of that group are rampant.

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Response to kath (Reply #138)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:53 PM

177. Holy shit, really? Justin???

That totally does NOT sound like “our” Justin. I believe what you’re saying, I’m just mystified that an otherwise, as Bjorn Against said, kind man has changed so dramatically over CANDIDATES. I’ve had very lovely exchanges with him over the years even when we didn’t agree on things (like religion).

I’ve been trying to stay out of the Hillary vs Bernie bullshit because I don’t think we should be doing the GOP’s oppositional research for them. I am a Bernie supporter but I will follow his lead and not say a word against her. I believe we can be better than this.

This is crazy.

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #177)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 01:17 PM

179. Oh yeah. See the link

In post #175 below.

(And note that one of the posters in that thread, whom William 769 - another HOST in that group, along with Justin - termed "a pillar of the DU community" is now on an enforced DU vacation until late September, so his Transparency page can be viewed.)

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Response to kath (Reply #179)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:08 PM

182. Oh dear, this is bad

I’m genuinely sad about this. thanks for the eyeopener, kath.

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #182)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:35 PM

228. And now William769 doubles down, defending the

Actions of the Hosts in that group, (both wrt the hide of QuestionEverything's post, and justin's "high five" to an even more offensive poster in the thread that I pointed out) and saying that Justin is a damn fine host.
Wow. Just wow. The mind boggles.

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Response to kath (Reply #228)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:34 PM

236. I am just so weirded out by this

I dont get Justin's turnabout. He is usually so reasonable. I just looked at the thread with him ranting at Skinner and being felt persecuted. Then I looked at some posts on the primary board and there is just so much ugliness here that I think I'm going to take a break here for a while. Some of the people on the HRC boards are people I consider friends and I dont want the rancor to infect those relationships albeit virtual.

You just know there are GOP opp researchers reading these posts every day. I'm sorry to think this but whomever our candidate ends up being, the things we are getting into arguments over will be used by their side. I don't think a Republican is going to win the general anyway, but I dont want to be part of this ugliness.

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #236)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:45 PM

237. You know if you have something to say about me you can say it to me personally.

 

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Response to kath (Reply #138)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:23 PM

259. And they all laugh in there about someone calling Sanders

a "flaming turd" and call it "alert stalking" when that is alerted on. Puhlease.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #124)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:22 AM

143. Plus eleventy billion to everything you said there...

Especially the last paragraph....

I'm gobsmacked that anyone would try to defend that hidden post or claim that it was some sort of unfair hide. It was revolting and people should be better than that...

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #124)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:35 AM

145. Let's set the record straight shall we?

Justin is but one Host out of seven. Do not blame him for what you do not know.

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Response to William769 (Reply #145)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:47 AM

148. I have seen his posts in the Hillary group

He has actively supported allowing attack pieces that have nothing to do with Hillary in the group. All the hosts who allow this are responsible for allowing this, and hrmjustin has been one of the more vocal ones in defending those who post smears.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #148)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:51 AM

150. I stand by my original comment.

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Response to William769 (Reply #150)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:10 AM

160. Well, you're factually wrong in doing so

 

No hard feelings though.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #160)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:12 AM

162. I can understand how you would feel that way.

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Response to William769 (Reply #162)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 05:03 PM

200. Yup, since I have the PM about it and everything.

 

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #200)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 05:34 PM

203. Good for you!

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Response to William769 (Reply #203)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 05:35 PM

204. You're welcome

 

Any time you need your facts checked, you give me a call, okay?

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #204)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 05:41 PM

205. The only problem is you didn't check any facts.

I sure don't see any.

But have a nice day anyways.

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Response to William769 (Reply #205)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 05:44 PM

206. Oh, you're right, my bad.

 

Here's the PM message:
Automated Message: You have been blocked from a group
Mail Message
You have been blocked from posting in the Hillary Clinton group by hrmjustin. If you believe this is an error, you may contact hrmjustin for more information.


not sure why this is an issue for you, but hey. Yeah, hrmjustin blocked me. In the words of Linda Richman, No Big Whup.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #206)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 06:05 PM

209. Thanks for pointing out the fact that Justin is damn good at his hosting duties!

It's been fun, but I got to run now.

Take care. Ok?

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Response to William769 (Reply #209)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 06:07 PM

210. Well, I can't judge that myself. If you say so i suppose.

 

Like I said, any time you need facts checked.

Yabbaguddun!

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Response to William769 (Reply #209)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 06:31 PM

213. Thank you Bill! I have my faults but i try my best.

 

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #148)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:02 AM

153. I just asked Scootaloo, and you were correct n/t

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Response to William769 (Reply #145)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 01:56 PM

180. That *any* of the hosts thought

that blocking a poster, not for attacking Hillary at all but for pointing out that another poster was straight-up lying about something they posted, was a good idea says a lot about all the hosts of that group, none of it good. "The standard you walk past is the standard you accept." -- Lt. Gen. David Lindsay Morrison

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Response to Rob H. (Reply #180)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:25 PM

185. Yes, ALL of the hosts share responsibility for what goes on in that group.

And in case you haven't seen it, check out the link in post #175 ( and the transparency page involved)

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Response to kath (Reply #185)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:12 PM

188. What's worse is that poster in question

stands by everything he said.

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Response to Rob H. (Reply #188)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 04:29 PM

193. Yep, they even complained about their hide to skinner in ATA.

Of course they left out the link showing the post that was hidden.

Accidentally, I'm sure.

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Response to Rob H. (Reply #188)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:47 PM

229. Yep, that now-on-vacation poster stands by everything he said, and apparently everyone there in that

Thread, including at least 2 hosts, is also okay with all that.

QuestionEverything stands by what s/he said as well.

Sheesh - when these people get hides, it's all because they are being persecuted, and it really should be okay for them to call other DUers M'Fers and tell them to eat shit, etc. Such victims.

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Response to Rob H. (Reply #180)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:40 PM

186. We love you too.



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Response to Rob H. (Reply #180)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 03:52 PM

190. I wonder if another candidate's group hosts

Have given any thought to why they feel compelled to ban their own supporters?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #190)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 04:34 PM

195. The hosts of Bernie's group don't smear other candidates and call their supporters names.

But that's why they so totally rock.

Too bad the HC group hosts don't follow their lead and block meta and shit stirrers from their group.

It would certainly reflect better on their candidate and DU as a whole but I've come to realize that I have unrealistic expectations when it comes to the conduct of some of Hillary's supporters.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #195)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 04:44 PM

198. You know, in HOF we get a lot of those same complaints

and you know what? The same situation applies: not your group, not your business. You aren't a member there, and you have nothing to say about the SOP of the group. But yeah, the alerts keep coming because the idea that anywhere in the universe someone might not treat Sanders with uncritical adoration is unacceptable to a few. I really don't see the point. It's not like it makes any bit of difference in the election if 15 people on DU refuse to go along with the crowd, but clearly it upsets some folks greatly.

As for not calling other supporters names, you have to know that isn't true. I myself don't read your group unless someone directs me to a particular post, but even so I have seen plenty of name calling. So don't even play that shit. The difference is some pretend calling people corporatists, Turd Way, sell outs, trolls, Republicans, and pawns of Wall Street actually amount to issues. I suppose for some that is as close to an issue as they will ever get.

I addressed the issue of the surveillance of the HRC group in this OP. http://www.democraticunderground.com/110711972

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #198)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 04:55 PM

199. Bullshit, one of their hosts repeatedly called a Bernie supporter a name in this very thread.

So you can stop with the paranoid persecution theories, skinner has already addressed this: if HC supporters don't want to have their posts deleted then they need to behave better.

What upsets me greatly is vindictive people who constantly vilify people they disagree with, BB - on both sides. Folks like you only see it when the other guys do it.

Hypocrites who complain that they're being targeted while doing the exact same thing to others piss me off.

And btw, I don't bash HC or her supporters, so my conscience is clean.

Obviously that upsets you greatly or you wouldn't personally attack me for calling out bad behaviour when I see it.

Especially in a thread like this, how can anyone possibly defend this kind of swift boat tactic against a Dem candidate?

At least other HC supporters have the integrity to call them out for it.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #199)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 05:14 PM

202. LOL

I wouldn't personally attack you? Where did I attack you? WTF?

This swift boat tactic? For YEARS on this site there has been a constant parade of false claims against Clinton. There is currently an OP falsely and completely distorting her comments on Iran. The false claims about her campaign finance circulate constantly. Some even rev up shit on Benghazi. Ben-fucking-Ghazi. No right-wing source or argument goes unturned in hunting up dirt on Hillary. Now Sanders happens to have written a stupid article ages ago. I don't believe it matters, but calling discussion of it swiftboating and pretending there is something unprecedented about it is unreal.

This is not the HRC group so if someone has called a Sanders supporter a name, I'm sure it will be hidden. They always are, even in the group. However, my guess is it is as much of an insult as my post was a personal attack on you. I don't even know you except for a thread or two where you clearly got upset and wouldn't explain why or how, except I realized in retrospect it was because I wasn't sufficiently reverential to Sanders and suggested that citizens actually have a right to ask questions of their candidates. God forbid. You certainly bashed me in that thread, yet you refused to engage with the substance of the thread at all. That is how I know you. As for what you say in the Sanders group, I have no idea. I have the group in the trash. I don't much care what is said there. Not my group, not my business.

Why even come after me about hosting HRC? I'm not a host of anything.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #202)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 05:48 PM

208. Again, bullshit. I can point to numerous posts in the HC group calling us names.

The hosts not only applaud and encourage it, they complain about the alerts that are sent and the jury results when such posts are hidden.



This swift boat tactic? For YEARS on this site there has been a constant parade of false claims against Clinton.


So it's okay when Hillary's supporters do the same thing?

Again, way to raise the bar for your candidate, BB. I'm glad some HC supporters are choosing to stick to the facts.

Smearing other candidates and their supporters in a protected group doesn't help her.





I don't even know you except for a thread or two where you clearly got upset and wouldn't explain why or how, except I realized in retrospect it was because I wasn't sufficiently reverential to Sanders and suggested that citizens actually have a right to ask questions of their candidates. God forbid. You certainly bashed me in that thread, yet you refused to explain your position. You made it entirely personal.


I applauded a post by Prism calling you out for using your own privilege to ignore the opinion of an AA poster who disagreed with you - that's why you remember me.

I'm one of many many DUers who thought he nailed it because we're tired of the ridiculous hyperbole and accusations from people who look for reasons to be outraged and who choose to use their voice to pit DUers against each other instead of trying to unite them.

But your personal attack on me claiming I took offense because you weren't "sufficiently reverential to Sanders" is both noted and completely expected.



Why even come after me about hosting HRC? I'm not a host of anything.


I'm not "coming after" you for anything, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of HC hosts complaining about the behaviour of others when they engage in much worse in their own group.

And doing so after defending the of swift boating of Bernie Sanders by a person who called him a "Republican" who "sticks his head between a woman's legs".

The irony is not lost on all of us.




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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #208)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 06:45 PM

215. I don't speak for the HRC group

and I don't read everything that goes on in there, so I cannot possibly claim there is no name calling, and I didn't. I addressed your assertion that no name calling goes on in the Sanders groups, clearly a false point.

You wish all articles that don't laud Sanders to be buried. Wish away. It's not going to happen, especially not if you expect him to become a serious contender for the nomination.

You claimed the criticism of Sanders was "unprecedented." I pointed out it is not unprecedented in fact it is overshadowed by a deluge of crap about Clinton. That illustrates your outrage to be entirely selective.

You called me a hypocrite for pointing out those facts. You feel attacked because someone on the internet dares to support a different candidate. Too bad. I don't give a shit. MY DEMOCRATIC CHOICE. You get one vote and one vote only. You don't get to control my vote or my thinking, and I will not pretend you are oppressed because someone posted an unflattering thread about Sanders.


I'm one of the many many DUers who thought he nailed it because we're tired of the ridiculous hyperbole and accusations from people who look for reasons to be outraged and who choose to use their voice to pit DUers against each other instead of trying to unite them.


Okay, this is ludicrous. My OP said that we will know who best speaks to the interests of the African American community by how they vote. That is dividing DUers? Discussing the fact that voters make their own decisions? And what are you doing right here but attacking the HRC group, and somehow holding me personally responsible for the actions of random Clinton supporters? How is that uniting? Does failure to support Sanders somehow make one not a DUer? Yet concern for the entire population of America, as opposed to the relatively affluent and far whiter population of DU doesn't? Calling people corporatists and Third Way isn't divisive? Pointing out that voters determine their own interests is? That entire notion that discussing race is divisive is a conservative argument, now gone mainstream among so-called progressives. I find it incredible. America is already divided. It always has been. It was built on division. Now Black people are being killed by police. Their churches being burned and racist massacres take place. But I dare mention AA voters and I'm "dividing" DUers by mentioning someone exists outside this site that might actually matter? I'm sure I divide DUers when I talk about sexism and my experiences with poverty too. All that nasty, "imaginary" stuff that people don't like to think about, as has been repeatedly pointed out to me. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025346527 http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025361657
Sorry I don't fit your proscribed box of who and what a DUer is supposed to care about. In fact, it would seem that the happenstance of my birth and the life experiences that came with it makes me something other than a real DUer.

Your memory of that thread is faulty. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026739071
What I said is that black voters themselves will decide who best addresses their issues. That poster you reference then shouted privilege, as I have seen him respond to other members of the subaltern who post something he doesn't like. There was at that point no black poster in that thread. That member came later, after you had agreed with the poster you mention who also shouts "privilege" to members of color on this site, as was the case when a member of the AA group posted that her concerns for racism were not solved by attention to class issues alone. She was "privileged" for being black and middle class, whereas upper-middle class white posters get no such admonition. In another thread he made profane insults to the very AA member he claimed I was interfering with his communication with in my thread. Funny how its always feminists and people of color who are "privileged," despite the fact self-polling shows DUers have high incomes overall (way higher than mine). If we in the subaltern live, we dare not discuss our concerns because it might make our betters feel bad, and lord knows that is more important than poverty, violence, and certainly our right to make our own democratic choices.

Let me be clear: I do not care in the slightest who you or anyone else votes for. Unlike some, I don't feel a need to control how others vote. I consider that their choice entirely. I don't even worry about it. To each her own.

This discussion is enough for me to know I do not wish to have another again. I'm sorry it makes you so angry that I don't support your political hero. You'll just have to cope. Better get used to it because 85% of the Democratic electorate feels the same way.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #215)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 07:49 PM

220. Check again: posts 140, 141 and 142.

Of course you only see what you want to see so the fact that you're blind to those attacks doesn't surprise me.


You wish all articles that don't laud Sanders to be buried. Wish away. It's not going to happen, especially not if you expect him to become a serious contender for the nomination.


Why are you making up shit about me, BB? Not only do I not want articles buried, I actually welcome more stupid attacks on my candidate.

The desperation of HC supporters inspires me.



You claimed the criticism of Sanders was "unprecedented." I pointed out it is not unprecedented in fact it is overshadowed by a deluge of crap about Clinton. That illustrates your outrage to be entirely selective.


Where did I say that? I want the post and exact words where you got your quote from.

Dishonesty like lying about what I posted is what really outrages me.




You called me a hypocrite for pointing out those facts.


I called the HC hosts hypocrites because they defended the op in their group and complained about how they're being "attacked" on DU. If you're feeling hypocritical too that's not on me.




You feel attacked because someone on the internet dares to support a different candidate. Too bad. I don't give a shit. MY DEMOCRATIC CHOICE. You get one vote and one vote only. You don't get to control my vote or my thinking, and I will not pretend you are oppressed because someone posted an unflattering thread about Sander


I don't feel attacked at all, you're projecting.

And guess what? I don't care about your vote. I stopped caring somewhere between your first post months ago declaring you were voting for Hillary because you disliked Sanders supporters and before your last thread declaring you were voting for Hillary because voting for Bernie was "voting for white male rule" and calling his supporters "misogynists".

And it looks like the only people whining about oppression in this thread are HC supporters.




Sorry I don't fit your proscribed box of who and what a DUer is supposed to care about.


LMAO!!!

You really need to start reimbursing me for irony meters, BB.

Do you ever read your own posts?

You constantly attack others for not being equally outraged about every thing that offends you.

Free clue: YOU'RE DOING IT RIGHT FUCKING NOW:

Funny how it's always feminists and people of color who are "privileged," despite the fact self-polling shows DUers have high incomes overall (way higher than mine). If we in the subaltern live, we dare not discuss our concerns because it might make our betters feel bad, and lord knows that is more important than poverty, violence, and certainly our right to make our own democratic choices.


Sorry, not all women and poc agree with you, BB and you really should find a better way to deal with it than atacking other DUers and questioning their dedication to minority causes. In case you haven't noticed it just generates more backlash against you.

You're not the only champion for the oppressed on DU and the people who disagree with you are not racists and misogynists. They just don't agree with you.



Now Black people are being killed by police. Their churches being burned and racist massacres take place.


I am well aware of what's going on in my country, thank you.

I am aware of what poc think and feel because not only do I pay attention to their posts here (and elsewhere on the internet), I also discuss issues with poc irl and my s/o who is multi-racial.

So I don't need to peruse your many lectures and self righteous posts telling others that they don't care about poc because they don't agree with you or rec your threads.

I absolutely refuse to pay attention to someone claiming to speak for poc from a place of privilege who then dismisses the opinions of certain AA people because they don't share your opinion on a candidate.

So thanks so much for your attempts to speak for them, BB, but I'll look to actual poc for their opinions.




Let me be clear: I do not care in the slightest who you or anyone else votes for. Unlike some, I don't feel a need to control how others vote. I consider that their choice entirely.


Strawman.

No one is trying to control votes.



I'm sorry it makes you so angry that I don't support your political hero. You'll just have to cope.


Strawman, personal attack.

Making up shit about people makes DU suck, BB.

Don't flatter yourself, I could care less who you support. You've made it clear that you'll vote against a good liberal candidate just because he's a white man (you said "voting for Bernie Sanders is voting for white male rule" and the fact that you don't like his supporters.

Why would I waste my time trying to reason with someone who votes based upon gender, race and their hatred of other liberals?

Although people who won't vote for a candidate because of their race and gender usually come from the other side of the aisle, it's a shame to see the same kind of thinking on a Democratic website.

My vote is too important to me to use it as a weapon of revenge against people I dislike.

Women had to fight too goddamned hard for my right for me to abuse it in such a way.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #199)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 06:10 PM

211. If you get this upset....

Over something that was reported in the most left leaning newspaper in the country (the NYT) about Bernie then you are in for a rude awakening. Wait until the Republicans start paying attention to him.

Hell fire, I saw a Bernie supporter blame Hillary for Bill and Monica and that was here at DU just the other day.
I see total lies and distortions posted about Hillary here every day. The OP is referring to something Sanders actually said, it may have been years ago, but that's never stopped people from doubling down on Hillary, why should Bernie get a pass?

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Response to BooScout (Reply #211)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 06:17 PM

212. I'm not upset, lying about Sanders by calling him a Republican helps my candidate.


It makes HC supporters look desperate.

Of course calling him a "Republican" who "sticks his head between a woman's legs" may be business as usual for Hillary supporters but that doesn't mean it should get a pass from the rest of us.

Ymmv.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #190)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:55 PM

231. As a host in the Bernie Sanders group I can answer that for you.

If a supporter is arguing with other members over stupid crap and can't be civil I have no problem blocking them. If we are getting complaints about a supporter and screen caps where they are recommending posts about other candidates and then later removing their rec and sticking up for their supporters and arguing with Bernie supporters I have no problem blocking them. If a supporter starts shit in our group I have no problem blocking them. They can support Bernie elsewhere on DU if they have a problem adhering to the rules that make our group a safe haven for our other members. They can tell you that they were banned for no reason but that's bulldshit and they are to put it gently, stretching the truth. We don't block a member just because they say something we don't like. They are blocked because they are creating a problem with the other members, we put a lot of thought into it and we know who the problem posters are and we watch them.

You don't need to wonder anymore. Now you know.
And here's what you weren't wondering about.

If a Bernie supporter starts an OP in the Bernie Sanders group trashing another candidates supporters we hosts in the Bernie Sanders group have no problem locking that OP, unlike other candidates groups. If a Member posts a nasty OP smearing another candidate in the Bernie Sanders group we hosts in the Bernie Sanders group have no problem locking that OP. And if a member comes into our group complaining their post was hidden and lying about what they did we hosts in the Bernie Sanders group would have no problem locking that that OP.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #190)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:27 PM

264. Yes, they have.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #124)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:41 AM

170. Skinner has said

Last edited Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:19 PM - Edit history (1)

a host can ban a person from a group for whatever reason. Period.

But speaking as a host, at the end of the day, it does come down to being able to look at yourself in the mirror and having integrity.

And well.....nothing more to say here.

Great post.

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Response to Puglover (Reply #170)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 01:59 PM

181. +100

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Response to Puglover (Reply #170)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 04:37 PM

196. He also said "We Hillary supporters need to be better than everyone else."

Too bad the hosts of her group didn't get the memo.

Oh, wait, they did get it, they just didn't like it and told him so in ATA.


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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #124)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:37 PM

175. Have you seen this thread in the HRC group?

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Response to kath (Reply #175)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 04:32 PM

194. And?

You seem to think this is important, somehow.

So what?

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #194)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 06:46 PM

216. My sins are being hashed out in this thread.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #216)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 06:52 PM

217. I guess I don't understand

the overwhelming need to obsess on another DU'er like this.

It's just weird...

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #217)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 06:54 PM

218. I allowed myself to be baited by a new poster and got frustraited.

 

My fan club decided to pile on.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #124)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 05:05 PM

201. No i am not an innocent and nor do i claim to be. I take your criticism. N/t.

 

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #124)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:06 PM

255. That group has become a tabloid. They post hit pieces on Sanders that are lies in there so as

to avoid anyone being able to defend them. That the hosts allow that shows they have no business being hosts and have no integrity at all. They post plans against other DUers in there, plans that cross over into real life, and the hosts do nothing to shut it down. On the contrary, they egg them on and rec the OP.

...

Here is a post I made in there to point out their blatant hypocrisy, the OP is priceless, you can't make that shit up. You can only believe it by seeing it with your own eyes.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=6967

Okay, wait... so you want to 'tattle' on Bernie supporters of DU?

You were the one calling Bernie supporters childish all over another thread.

Now, before I continue, I saw this OP on the Greatest Page so that's why I clicked on it. I did not come into the group looking for trouble.

I'll tell you something I see in here though. In the top 8 posts of this Hillary group are two that are complaining about Bernie supporters, this one plotting against them.

In the entire first page of posts in the Bernie group you don't find anything similar at all, they are all about Bernie himself, or something to do with him, but certainly not about Hillary supporters.

A couple weeks ago (I think around then) there was a negative post about Hillary supporters and it was locked and self-deleted and several Bernie supporters, myself included, asked in the OP (and I sent a pm to a host asking for the OP to be deleted/locked) to not do that. As I said, the OP was locked and self-deleted.

I realize the whole Bernie supporters are mean and childish is the new thing on DU, but we are not plotting as a group against Hillary supporters like this OP is. And when there was a negative post about Hillary supporters it was taken down due to the dislike of it, it was not cheered on as this OP is, or the one about Ghadaffi is. We aren't looking at this as a war between supporters as this group seems to based on these two well regarded OPs.

Also, I have had a personal experience with a very active Hillary supporter where they edited a post well after I had replied and they had replied to me again. It was a very dishonest thing to do, editing a post to make it seem that my response was completely wrong. I don't attribute that to all Hillary supporters though. I look at people based on their posts and actions on DU.

How about you do the same and worry about your own OPs and posts and don't look at this as a war between supporters and use this group to plot against the 'others'. To ask what you guys keep asking Bernie supporters.. is this the way you think Hillary would want you to act?


But gee.... it's Bernie supporters who are sooooo mean.... WAAAAHHHHH...


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Response to cui bono (Reply #255)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 01:16 AM

376. "Now I'm really done."



This mob gathering is a fucking riot.

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Response to artislife (Reply #113)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:37 AM

146. Lol.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #108)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:45 AM

133. Of course, as I said, this kind of trash is only helping Bernie. In fact I

will post it all over social media to demonstrate the tactics that are being used against a candidate who has never stooped to negative personal attacks though he certainly could have, as could we, in his life.

It helps my candidate, that is all I care about as our country depends on getting the right person elected in 2016.

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Response to question everything (Original post)


Response to Name removed (Reply #4)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 07:55 PM

14. And I think they showed Breast cancer is higher if you've never conceived....

 

Wonder if it's higher among virgins.
Thanks Bernie- going to get right on that!

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Response to Name removed (Reply #20)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 08:07 PM

24. We can only talk about Hillary's past back to 2008. Nothing else allowed. That's the rule

 

Or something

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Response to Name removed (Reply #20)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 08:10 PM

33. Oh my goodness, thanks for posting that.

How totally disgusting of her.

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Response to kath (Reply #33)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 08:18 PM

46. I'd never seen that before either. I felt creepy just reading the quotes.

 

I'm not sure I want to hear the audio

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #46)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 08:47 PM

69. Same here. Not sure if I can stomach listening to the audio.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #20)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 08:17 PM

44. sickening. Had not heard of that before....

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Response to Name removed (Reply #20)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 08:38 PM

64. No, he wrote of fantasies women have of being raped

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Mon Jul 13, 2015, 08:49 PM

72. Thank you

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Mon Jul 13, 2015, 08:47 PM

70. This case, where Hillary was a court appointed attorney?

Glad you pointed this one out, she did her job like Bernie was doing on his articles. Was Bernie court appointed on these articles?

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Mon Jul 13, 2015, 08:53 PM

77. I have no idea what you are trying to say.

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Mon Jul 13, 2015, 08:58 PM

83. Are you sure she found it humorous?

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #83)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 09:02 PM

86. So it's okay for you to spin the "rape fantasies" essay but questioning this is unfair?

Hypocrisy: it's not just for breakfast anymore.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #86)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:27 PM

223. Was Bernie a court appointed attorney for whom and what was he defending?

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #223)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:28 PM

224. See post #222

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #224)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:51 PM

230. OK, as a favor to the prosecutor, she did not solicit the case. If you had a criminal case would

you want your attorney to represent you or would you rather not have an attorney?

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #230)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:58 PM

233. That's not the issue. The issue is her laughing about the case during that interview.

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Response to kath (Reply #233)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:32 PM

239. I can deal with Hillary's possible flaws, she has great ability, I worry more about rape fantasies.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #239)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:34 PM

269. If you are worried about rape fantasies you should get into therapy. Quickly!

That's not good.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #269)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:41 PM

275. I know, I'm more than a little concerned about them.

Their obsession with rape fantasies is much worse than anything Bernie ever wrote about gender stereotypes.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #230)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:00 PM

234. What I would like is a little less hypocrisy from some HC supporters.

You all need to take the telephone pole out of your own eye before you complain about people who "question" your candidate about their past.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #224)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:56 PM

232. Still waiting for whom was Bernie defending in his rape fantasies.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #232)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:04 PM

235. He didn't have any but keep spreading Horseshit for Hillary.



FoxNews called, they wanted to thank you for your contribution but they're looking for a new meme on Bernie.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #235)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:30 PM

238. Thank you, I can deal with any problems you may discover or post about Hillary, her strength and

ability is not altered by any talking points.

Maybe you should get another talking point besides FoxNews, doesn't bother me. I am still good.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #238)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:40 PM

245. You're obviously not dealing with it since you're lying about Sanders' "fantasies".

I feel sorry for people who have to resort to that kind of tactic.

It proves they don't have anything positive to say about their candidate.

Try another meme, that one's drawing flies.



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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #245)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:51 PM

248. It isn't a lie. Maybe dealing with facts about Bernie can help you. It is easy admitting Hillary

has flaws, she is not perfect but it does not change her abilities.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #248)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:57 PM

253. Yes, it is and I haven't smeared your candidate, not once.

Like I said, I don't have to resort to your kind of campaigning, I take my cues from my candidate, not Karl Rove.

Keep it up, I love that you're showing your true colours over and over again.

Every time you kick this piss poor excuse of an op and lie about him fantasizing about rape you're helping Sanders.

In case you haven't noticed real liberals don't like swift boaters.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #257)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:35 PM

273. I'm quite familiar with the meme and your version of the "facts" is fubar.

It was discussed here in depth and frankly imo, after reading everything that was posted about it only a moron would believe that Bernie Sanders fantasizes about rape.

The people at vox for example:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026753605


And I must say your personal obsession with rape fantasies is quite disturbing.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #273)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:12 AM

307. When I read his article I was disturbed, it doesn't seem he is for women's rights.

Yes this has been discussed and even Bernie does not deny his article, even his camp calls stupid.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #307)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 12:26 AM

326. Then that's your problem, not Bernie's.

He has always been a feminist and fought tirelessly for women's rights.