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Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:21 PM

ANTHONY WEINER: I have one big question for Bernie Sanders

ANTHONY WEINER: I have one big question for Bernie Sanders

Apart from the Donald Trump sideshow, one of the biggest stories in the presidential election this past week has been the apparent momentum Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont) is enjoying in his underdog campaign.
Sanders has been drawing crowds of thousands at his rallies and is quickly becoming the main primary rival of Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton. I totally get Bernie Mania. However, I’m deeply conflicted about it.

My wife works for Hillary so there’s that. But I’m also torn because I don’t really understand what he is doing.

I served with Bernie and he is my kind of politician — a progressive guy with some New York City attitude. It’s hard not to love Bernie Sanders. The Brooklyn accent perfected at Madison High School and Brooklyn College and the rumpled mad scientist look are perfect compliments to his colorful and unyielding presentations...


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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:23 PM

1. I'm just glad his question wasn't, "do you want to see a picture of my....."

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Response to FSogol (Reply #1)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:24 PM

3. or how big is your johnson? Tweet me! nt

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Response to FSogol (Reply #1)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:24 PM

49. That's what I came in to post

 

Beat me to it! Snicker, snicker, snicker!

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:24 PM

2. I'm not sure he is helping H

 

One thing Weiner has is....



Name recognition. And not the best kind. It was interesting to see his wife will probably have a place in H's inner circle if so elected. Like attract like, I suppose.

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Response to artislife (Reply #2)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:07 PM

78. His wife already has a place in H's inner circle.

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Response to artislife (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 06:13 AM

189. as we get closer to the primary we can count on media flogging both Mrs. Clinton and her top Aid

with the dumbass 'big mistake' of both their husbands.

Both woman have handled the historic public floggings over the 'dumbass mistakes' of their SO, with impressive grace and dignity.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:25 PM

4. One thing Bernie isn't doing Anthony....

... is sending pictures of his Weiner to women on the internet.

Yeah, let's listen to the guy with real sound "political judgement."


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Response to 99Forever (Reply #4)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:26 PM

6. Well to be fair....

We can't say that with certainty, can we?

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Response to zappaman (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 04:31 AM

187. Do you want to see a 73 year old

 

man's wang?

No?

I didn't think so.

I'm pretty sure that Bernie is aware that sending pictures of his wang isn't exactly going to get him votes. I'm also pretty sure that he isn't the kind of dumbass that would send pictures of his wang ... to well, anybody.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #4)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:32 PM

13. I guess this is one thread that both Clinton and Bernie supporters can get behind. nt

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Response to Stellar (Reply #13)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 04:46 PM

227. The corporate hold of the two party system is what Bernie avoids, but to run must use that system.

 

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #4)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:32 PM

93. Anthony "it could be my" Weiner? The guy that sent out a picture of his hot dog?

 



Wait...what were you thinking of?

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #4)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 06:22 PM

127. Maybe Gary Hart can weigh in too.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #127)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 06:58 PM

137. Don't forget John Edwards. nt

 

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:26 PM

5. Oh my. What a load of condescending crap. Not surprised about Weiner, not surprised this is on

 

Yahoo. Would be surprised if anyone cared who Weiner is supporting.
Oh, and like Weiner was going to not support his wife's boss.
Am trying desperately not to make Weiner jokes.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #5)

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 03:58 AM

182. This is directly from the HRC campaign

That talking point has been floating around for awhile. "He's not a Democrat. Why would you vote for him?" This is a surrogate attack to deflect from the fact that she will not answer questions nor has she presented a campaign platform. They're concocting it right now. Just wait.

And isn't it funny that so far this is the THIRD high-profile surrogate attack, and yet Bernie Sanders and his folk are "meanies." Curious.

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #182)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 10:12 AM

214. Heh...

Not a very reliable surrogate. If he is functioning in such a role then they must be desperate. Who really wants to play surrogate to attack a guy that could end up as the nominee?

Maybe Weiner is just trying to keep his name in the press somehow.

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Response to kenfrequed (Reply #214)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 12:52 PM

216. He didn't go rogue, that's for sure

Huma is as close to Clinton as it gets. They are so out of touch, they think any smear will work. Look who they've used so far. It's all very creepy.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:27 PM

7. and then he pulled his dick out nt

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #7)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 04:29 PM

223. And tripped over it. nt

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:27 PM

8. Well as much as I would like to never hear from....

Anthony ever again, it is a good question.

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Response to Little Star (Reply #8)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:34 PM

15. He said Bernie "needs to explain what he's doing here in the first place." Really, Anthony?

Bernie is right about a lot of things. He is right that a Medicare for All health care program is a simpler, cheaper and more American solution to our health care needs than a jury rigged system that is better under Obamacare but still has too many gaps. And his battle cry on behalf of working Americans is almost as good as Hillary Clinton’s.

In spite of all this, if Bernie wants to lead this party, he needs to explain what he's doing here in the first place.


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Response to madfloridian (Reply #15)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 04:24 PM

109. Not to mention 20+ years in Congress for Bernie -

Hillary was a Senator for 8 years & Sec. of State 4 years.

I see the experience as roughly comparable in that she also was First Lady so she definitely has been in the upper circles of politics.

So, given roughly comparable levels of experience I then look at positions on issues. For me personally Bernie is the better match - I can go way back and find him consistently supporting working class folks, oppressed folks, voting against war, etc ... If I go way back with Hillary I see her sitting on Walmart's board of directors.

It's not like I won't vote for her if she's the nominee - but then again I would probably vote for a doorknob over Jeb! after what other members of his family did to this country. But as I teach my kids to say about food they don't care for "she's) not my favorite".

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Response to madfloridian (Reply #15)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 09:47 PM

175. Obviously, it's very difficult for Anthony to understand

And not worth trying to explain.

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Response to Little Star (Reply #8)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:02 PM

72. So you accept him as a spokesperson for HRC. Are you sure you want to do that?

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Response to Divernan (Reply #72)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 08:06 PM

153. pfffttttt

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Response to Little Star (Reply #8)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 07:24 PM

142. Really? I think the questions should be:

Why don't Democrats support their base when they get in to office? And, why do some Democrats put their party at risk by partaking in inane and/or illegal activities?

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:28 PM

9. What an interesting shift of opinion...

...remember when people here LOVED Weiner for his Grayson-type speeches, and couldn't believe the photo stories were true?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #9)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:32 PM

12. What a nasty way to launch an attack on a candidate, any candidate. Ridicule us?

Ridicule is an ugly tactic.

Guess what. It doesn't change minds and it makes people angry.

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Response to madfloridian (Reply #12)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:37 PM

17. dickpic is hils new attack dog? that's rich!!!

 

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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #17)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:02 PM

39. Attack dog? He's her Weiner dog.

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Response to Akicita (Reply #39)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:29 PM

54. Arf!

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Response to Akicita (Reply #39)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:47 PM

101. DUzy

 

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Response to madfloridian (Reply #12)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:45 PM

25. I believe this approach will backfire on them

 

Because Bernie's message is undeniably rooted in simple truth. These sort of attacks makes the attacker look unhinged. McCaskill got torn to shreds for her little tirade. Attack Bernie from the right, and they open up an ideological chasm between them, thus undermining her 'Me too!' attitude toward his social policies.

They are likely using Weiner because of his liberal cred, but all they are doing is undermining themselves.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #25)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:58 PM

68. Yes, it will backfire. Anthony has little cred anymore..

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Response to madfloridian (Reply #68)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:05 PM

74. Carlos Danger is in the negative #s on cred.

Guess it's gotten extremely awkward & difficult keeping him away from his wife's involvement in many, many social occasions re the campaign. Would you want this creep in your house if you were sponsoring a fundraiser? Around your wife? Your daughter? Your sister?

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Response to Divernan (Reply #74)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:06 PM

77. His wife is way way way more understanding than I would have been.

She sounds like a saint. I am not.

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Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:15 PM

83. He isn't a 'Sex offender'

 

Cyber sex isn't a 'sex offense'. IT's pathetic, but if it's between consenting adults then I have no problem with it.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #83)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:26 PM

90. So if your daughter's husband did this on the down low, fine by you? No problem?

And if, hypothetically speaking of course, he got caught, got in trouble, caused a public scandal so severe he had to resign his job and sit at home, humiliated your daughter and then had so little self control that he did it again? All of that's no problem?

Well, he wasn't prosecuted in a court of law - I'll give you that.

Cyberstalking or sending pornography to children. If any of the women he was conversing with was under 18, criminal cyber-stalking laws would come into play. Ignorance of their age is not relevant.

Using federal resources for personal use. If that is Weiner’s congressional office in the photos, or computers at the office or phone lines were used, anything but de minimis use of them for personal use would violate federal law. There is no possible way to define these actions as constituent services, given their purely private nature and the fact that the participants were not, as far as we can tell, voters in his district.

Lewd Conduct. There are state statues that variously criminalize the depiction or showing of an erect penis in public, even if it is covered. New York and D.C. law would come into play. Further, there is an allegation that there is another picture out there of an explicit nature; that picture would be subject to the same state laws. However, both crimes require a victim, and no one here seems to be complaining about receiving the pictures.

Lying to Federal Investigators in the context of an investigation is a violation of federal law and a felony — just ask Martha Stewart, who served jail time for it. It looks like Weiner was careful to avoid asking for a federal investigation based on his lies; time will tell if in private conversations with Capitol police or the FBI he lied. If he did, it’s a crime.

 

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Response to Divernan (Reply #90)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 04:03 PM

106. If my daughters husband did it, it still wouldn't be a sex offense.

 

Consensual behavior between adults isn't 'stalking'. I don't buy neo-puritanism arguments.

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Response to Divernan (Reply #90)

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 06:26 AM

190. twitter has few or no regulations. Its the number one place used to share porn and images.

by far number one. Of course as Mr. Weiner learned , you're never ever really in a private chat on twitter. Plenty of people know the "brebart trick" of viewing what people think are private pics on twitter servers.

IMO, under age shouldn't even be allowed access to twitter at all.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #83)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:47 PM

102. Disgraced Internet sex-troll

 

Not a sex offender, but referred to as a 'disgraced internet sex-troll' by the media.

http://www.examiner.com/article/probe-of-hillary-clinton-pal-huma-abedin-ordered-by-federal-judge

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Response to udbcrzy2 (Reply #102)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 04:37 PM

114. I agree with that

 

He is an internet sex troll, not a sex offender.

I have a friend into that crap. It is soooo pathetic. He was once taken in by scammers from Ghana pretending to be women, sending them money and phone cards AND pictures of his wang, before ultimately finding out the 'girl' was actually a man.

He kept referring to the 'Ghana girl' as his 'girlfriend'. I warned him that many online dating scams are run out of Ghana and he indignantly said, "She wouldn't do that, she's not like that!!".

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #114)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 04:49 PM

115. 'She's not like that' lulz n/t

 

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Response to madfloridian (Reply #77)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 08:29 PM

160. you're right. He's not your man and it's none of your business. Nancy pelosi

got his ass out of Congress because while he's free to tweet his penis all over the Internet, it is not okay for him to do it while representing the good people of New York. He was a great Rep but did a really really stupid thing. But we still have GOP David Vitter in tbe SEnate also known as Diaper Dan.

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Response to Divernan (Reply #74)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 05:17 PM

230. Danger!

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Response to madfloridian (Reply #68)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:06 PM

75. They are throwing the proverbial turds at the wall

 

...to see what sticks. First they tried attacking from the right with McCaskill, but it failed. Now they are trying it from the right again, but using a 'liberal' to do it. FAIL.

They really can't attack Bernie from the left because they would look disingenuous. They are obviously in a pickle and frustrated in finding an angle from which to attack him.

Therein lies their weakness: they feel they must 'attack' him.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #75)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:13 PM

81. Well, they can't attack him on issues.

 

What's Hill to do, explain to voters how nice Wall St and Monsanto are?

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #75)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 05:47 PM

122. I don't know about the HRC campaign, but her supporters here have attempted an attack from the left.

He's not liberal/socialist enough somehow. They linked to a socialist site I believe. I don't understand how that is supposed to help.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #122)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 06:26 PM

130. I read one here that there are organized rec groups putting threads of him up in

seconds after posting them. LOL! we are all losing our minds.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #130)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 06:32 PM

134. omg, I JUST saw that on the 'greatest' page.

That is both funny and sad.

Do the Rec Circles meet at the Rec Square? Reccing OPs while having a few glasses of rec wine at the reclusive Recshead Pub while they listen to some Rec-n-Roll?

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Response to cui bono (Reply #134)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 06:35 PM

135. BWAHAHAHAAHAHAA! I am glad they worry about us and our part time activities. If there is

any money in it I will do it full time, cui bono honey.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #134)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 07:28 PM

143. Dear cui bono,

I don't believe you have rec'd all the posts in the BSG today. I'm sorry, but we're going to have to put you on a time out from posting until you fulfill your recing quota.

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Response to marym625 (Reply #143)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 07:33 PM

145. Sorry, I had too much rec wine and found it hard to hit the button.


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Response to cui bono (Reply #145)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 07:48 PM

150. ohm OK then

That's okay. Never mind

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Response to marym625 (Reply #150)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 09:23 PM

170. Don't worry...

I will be rectifying that soon.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #170)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 09:28 PM

172. .

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Response to marym625 (Reply #172)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 09:30 PM

173. But I won't forget the old saying...

'check it, before you rec it'


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Response to cui bono (Reply #173)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 09:59 PM

177. Good advice!

And make sure you keep it secret!

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Response to cui bono (Reply #134)

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 04:01 AM

183. Edited

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #183)

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 04:05 AM

184. Check yo'self before you REC yo'self!!!


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Response to cui bono (Reply #134)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 04:39 PM

225. No, they meet at the rec center, after driving there in their RVs (rec vehicles), but not

rec-lessly! (How'm I doin' pinboy3niner?)

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #75)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 05:48 PM

123. Luis 'what's his name, the socialist?' Gutierrez. G. worked in Congress for 20 years with

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Bernie. Right, Sanders the son of an immigrant. But Bernie backed Garcia, Rahm's rival. Whatev.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #25)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 04:33 PM

224. Or because he is so damaged his reputation can't be hurt further. He has recognition, so he

can get the meme out there with plenty of public attention, but no viable Dem candidate suffers the backlash that hit McCaskill when she tried to go after Bernie.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #9)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:34 PM

14. And then we knew.

 

I just question whether he is helping H at all. Because, most people will stop and remember one thing about him and then probably wonder the same thing. Why is H okay with him going to bat for her? There are better people in her corner.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #9)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:37 PM

16. No, I really don't.

 

But I'm glad to see Carlos Danger is batting for Clinton.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #16)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:58 PM

69. As far as batting is concerned, that's a schwing and a miss for Carlos Danger.... n/t

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #16)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 04:15 PM

219. I read that as baiting for Clinton

 

sorry.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #9)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:45 PM

23. We most often disagree.

 

But in my heart, I think you're better than this.

It seems plausible that, and why, AW was put up to author this. You??

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #9)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:39 PM

60. Nope, I wasn't here then.

And I never heard of him til 'weinergate'.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #9)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 05:42 PM

121. Who is it that's changed their opinions?

I don't see many posts before yours, are you talking about those posters?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #9)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 06:23 PM

128. the shift of opinion came about through the facts of his conduct. It was a sad day for me to find

it true about him.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #128)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 07:03 PM

138. Yep, same thing with John Edwards...

 

he was my 1st pick in 08. Should he tender an opinion now, he can go pound sand like Weiner.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #9)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 06:38 PM

136. Has it ever occurred to you that people can OPPOSE the vile tactics that were used, let's say

on the Clintons AND on Weiner, simply because they are VILE yet at the same time disagree with their victims when they are WRONG?



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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #136)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 07:31 PM

144. Hi, sabrina.

I loved the outspoken Liberal, Anthony Weiner,
and was willing to overlook ONE mistake,
but when he got caught doing it AGAIN,
he's done. I don't care to hear from him again.

The only problem I have is that I am old enough to remember Senior Democrats behaving much worse than Weiner or John Edwards, and that wasn't held against them.

Does anybody here condemn John Kennedy?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #9)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 07:35 PM

147. What is so interesting about it?

He did give good speeches and was a good representative at the time. Unfortunately he was human and developed a rather embarrassing habit that didn't play well for someone in a public office.

Now he is embarrassing himself again with this crappy drivel.

By the way, I once loved Hillary but then she let me down. It is not unusual for opinions to shift when actions play out differently than campaign promises.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:30 PM

10. So the guy who shared way too many personal pics on line wonders why Bernie runs as Dem??

I don't take that very seriously. Bernie votes with the Democrats and frankly acts more like a Democrat should act and did act back in the days before think tanks who made the party corporate friendly while ignoring the people of the party..

He's really daring to ask if Bernie's a spoiler. Look around the web, Anthony. Do all those supporters look like they are supporting a spoiler?

His wife doesn't just work for Hillary, they are close friends and have been for years.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:31 PM

11. Party loyalty trumps ideology

 

When labels are more meaningful than actions, it's time for a shakeup.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:42 PM

18. I have one big question for Anthony Weiner

 

Why does it take an Independent Democratic Socialist to show America what a REAL
Democrat looks & sounds like?

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #18)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:45 PM

22. Good question!

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #18)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:54 PM

32. We should get about 250,000 people to tweet that question to AW immediately. nt

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #18)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:03 PM

40. hashtag that one! excellent question!

 

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Response to 2banon (Reply #40)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:31 PM

56. Please steal it. I don't do twitter. nt

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #18)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:25 PM

51. Bam!

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Response to elleng (Reply #67)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:13 PM

80. Martin who?

 

Oh yah, that O'Malley guy, who recently attacked Sanders.

Who is going to show Mr. O'Malley around Wash. DC?

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #80)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:26 PM

89. Stupidity gets YOU the representatives YOU deserve.

MANY monkeys are smarter than this.

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Response to elleng (Reply #89)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 04:10 PM

107. Back atcha

 

I can think of no reason to NOT support the guy who's been in DC fighting
the good fight, who knows where the bodies are buried, and who knows like the back of
his hand how things work in DC, in favor of someone who doesn't, and who has no Federal
record of votes on national and international policy showing EXACTLY where he stands on
pretty much every conceivable issue.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #107)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 06:28 PM

131. I like martin but I heard he lives ten feet up wall street's butt. I will like to know different if

its true or not.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #131)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 07:52 PM

152. Just off the top of my head, O'Malley called for reinstating Glass-Steagall and opposed fast track.

 

I don't think either of those positions is what Wall Street wanted.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #80)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 04:17 PM

220. I thought O'Malley knows DC

 

being Maryland and VA tucking DC...

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Response to London Lover Man (Reply #220)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 04:27 PM

222. Living in a contiguous state is no substitute for decades of progressive activism

 

in the halls of Congress. He knows 'how it works' (or doesn't work as case may be),
where the bodies are buried, and how to get stuff done.

Or maybe you were being a tad facetious?

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #18)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:33 PM

94. That is THE question

and we know the answer, Bernie isn't owned by corporate donors, hasn't bought into a corporate enrichment mentality, so he is free to represent our interests and doesn't have to pretend.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #18)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:41 PM

96. +1

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:44 PM

19. "He's great, so I'm going to ask a question that doesn't matter a whit."

I miss Weiner. I loved watching him rant in Congress. I could care less about the friggin' dick pics. But it's obvious what he's doing here. And he can't even come up with a useful question, just a strawman.

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Response to valerief (Reply #19)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:43 PM

63. It will matter to the Super Delegates

These are the party stalwarts who will play a role in determining the nominee if the race ends up being close. So unless Bernie is able to pull an Obama and be ahead in both popular vote and delegate count, his consistent rejection of the party over several decades is indeed going to matter.

And it will be fair and square, by the rules (whether you like those rules or not). A primary is a party's selection of it's nominees, and its a pretty tough row to hoe for someone who has rejected the party's nomination even in his own state on multiple occasions.

The nominee and eventual president is expected to raise money for the party and to campaign on behalf of its congressional candidates. Are party regulars going to choose the guy who never has done this ever before? It's a valid question. It's realpolitik.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #63)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:42 PM

98. Careful what you wish for

If the party rejects him in this way, he will have every right, in fact he will be obligated, in the interest of furthering the policies he champions for the people he sees as having no representation, to contiinue without the Democratic Party.

I think the Democratic Party would much rather have Bernie running as a Democrat than on a third party ticket, where he could indeed do real damage to the Democratic nominee.

I actually look at the answer to Weiner's pathetically framed question as Bernie did it as a favor to the Democratic Party. He does NOT want to enable the Republican nominee by running third party. But if the party shows itself unwilling to include the goals of a Democratic Socialist like Sanders, while its upper management pushes Republicans-turned-Democrat like Mark Warner, or not so long ago Arlen Spector, the party is no longer a legitimate vehicle for the people and all bets are off.

I'm not advocating for this, I'm advocating for the Democratic Party to throw off its corporate RW, or at least marginalize them, and represent us. They really need to listen, people are fed up and won't take it any longer.

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Response to dreamnightwind (Reply #98)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:49 PM

103. If he wins more delegates and more votes, they won't

disregard it, and they'll pull him across the finish line (just like they did for Obama--remember, it was neck and neck pretty much). But don't expect them to break his way if he's even a teeny bit behind. It's not about ideology. It's about the meaning of "party." What's the use of a party primary if it's not about the party?

I think Bernie knows this. He knows what it's about. I just hope his supporters understand it, and don't try to pull the "corporatist" card or the "media" card. Because it's not about that at all.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #103)

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 02:26 AM

180. I remember '08

There was controversy where a couple of states moved their primaries earlier than the party authorized, so the party decided to invalidate their primaries. Obama didn't run in those states, in at least one of them I don't even thinkk his namee was on the ballot. Hillary still "kind of" ran in those states, and her name was on the ballots. In the end, the Clinton camp was claiming (falsely I think) to have won the popular vote, I don't have the numbers on hand but IIRC they were including the states where Obama had done what the party wanted and not campaigned, Hillary had many more votes in those states and they weren't properly contested.

Already we're seeing rumors of not allowing Bernie on the ballot in states where being a registered Democrat in your home state is a requirement (even though registration in Vermont is not party-based so it is literally impossible for Bernie to register there as a Democrat). If this happens, I can already see the scenarios where the Clinton camp will claim victory based on those states, or claim the popular vote based on totals including where Bernie is kept off the ballot.

We'll see. It should be about the people, not about the party, and the further away from that principle the party goes, the less legitimate it becomes.

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Response to dreamnightwind (Reply #180)

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 10:11 AM

192. Not going to happen

The DNC has definitively welcomed Sanders into its nominating process as a candidate, and the New Hampshire Democratic Party has all but assured he will be able to be on the ballot.

Victimhood and paranoia are not winning strategies, and I think these positions are being all too often expressed on this site. Whatever happens to Bernie Sanders in this primary will be because of Bernie Sanders and his ideas, his bio/personality, and his on-the-ground organization, not because of any outside conspiracy from the media or the Clinton camp.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #192)

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 01:00 PM

194. Strongly disagree

with the points in your second paragraph.

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Response to dreamnightwind (Reply #98)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 05:49 PM

124. +1

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Response to frazzled (Reply #63)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 08:21 PM

156. Yeah, pulling that sort of maneuver in 1968 worked out really well.

Overriding the voters via superdelegates would be the perfect way to lose 2016.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #156)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 09:58 PM

176. No one said anything about overriding the delegates

I was explicit in saying that they would NOT, under any circumstances, do that if, like Obama, Sanders pulled ahead by the end of the game. But if he is not ahead, if he is even a little behind ... fuhgeddaboudit.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #63)

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 10:33 PM

203. The Democratic party would be signing their death warrant if the Super Delegates..

decide the nomination.

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Response to frylock (Reply #203)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 12:19 AM

205. Does nobody read here?

That was not the scenario I painted.

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Response to valerief (Reply #19)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:42 PM

97. +1

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Response to valerief (Reply #19)

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 12:29 AM

179. I can't decide who I think put Weiner up to this, Hillary or Bernie

 

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:44 PM

20. So Bernie 'evolved' on being a Democrat. LOL

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:44 PM

21. Wonderful Guerrilla surrogate that no one will hold Hillary responsible for

 

bravo Team Hillary

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:45 PM

24. He lost me at..my wife works for HRC

and Bernie Sanders needing to explain what he's doing.

Go kick some really big rocks Anthony.

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #24)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:52 PM

30. Better to lift some big rocks

and slide under them.

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #24)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:28 PM

53. Yep. Go away, Carlos Danger. Just go away.


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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:45 PM

26. I had to chuckle a bit with my first reaction to completing that title. And then there

 

was the name Mike Nudelman under the graphic. I thought the alter ego was Carlos Danger. Naughty mind...stop it.

The rest of it, well kind of Democratic yada yada. If it's OK for Bernie to be elected in the USA in Vermont, then what's wrong with running for president. He caucuses with the Ds, but is not identifying with them, it's for a very good reason. He states why in every speech. They are bought and sold.

I like the ring of Socialist Democrat myself. I think he'll run as an Independent. Wouldn't it be just great if Trump did too? Don't laugh, in this race...anything is possible. Witness the Republican Debates...LOL.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #26)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:44 PM

99. I agree with most of what you say, but Sanders is NOT running as an Independent.

He's already stated he's running as a Dem.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #99)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 04:15 PM

108. Has he filed papers? I think that's what's getting the Dems upset. In effect, he's running

 

against them as a Social Democrat...which has little to do with the Democratic Party, at least officially. And even though this is still pre-primary, I wonder how many Democrats will publically bolt their corporate ways. Or if they can, based on party estimated financial realities. He's not "one of them" so wonder how the Primary and GE voters will see it...either way.

Stranger things have happened, however.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #108)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 05:40 PM

120. In Vermont individual voters don't register to a party.

I heard the same was true for Illinois, though I googled for that info and never found out either way, so Obama was then not a registered Dem either. Although he had run as a Dem and identified as one previous to his presidential bid. But I don't think there's any way for Sanders to actually register as a Dem other than stating he is running as a Dem candidate in the primary. That's what I've gathered over the last month or so.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #120)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 08:44 PM

166. That's been my understanding. Didn't know that about Obama. Let's hope the really

 

Big Tent exists, because it will be a Primary to remember. Well, so was the last one, but I wasn't quite as much a political junkie as I am now. LOL

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:47 PM

27. I think Bernie answered it completely. He thinks Hillary is a bad choice and

 

that a Republican any Republican is a worse choice. So if he got enough support behind him he would step up and run. He does not want to dilute the Democratic ticket by running third party. If Weiner weren't so worried about keeping his wifes job he might already know this. The primaries will decide. What is ANTHONY WEINER doing to make things better?

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Response to Snotcicles (Reply #27)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:57 PM

35. I think the Democratic Party should feel honored someone of his credibility is willing to lead. nt

 

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Response to Snotcicles (Reply #35)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:16 PM

84. I certainly am.

 

First POTUS candidate in years who speaks for me. Piss on the DLC and Third Way.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #84)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:23 PM

87. Everybody has been hoping for someone like this to show up, Now he's knocking

 

at the door and some want to pretend their not home.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:48 PM

28. Anthony Weiner and his wife are Democrats.

Senator Sanders (I-VT) is not.

We do put ideology over party very frequently. We lose a lot of elections.

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #28)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:54 PM

31. What percent of Americans consider themselves independent? 40-something?

I also think we'd be might surprised at how many du-caucusing but technically undeclared party affiliation Duers there

I don't see Sanders as more outside the party than democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Lieberman was.

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Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #31)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:03 PM

41. Posted on yahoo finance? Now thats what I call outreach. nt

 

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #28)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:24 PM

50. Anyone who puts party over ideology has ZERO PRINCIPLES.

 

Fuck. Stand for something, or fall for anything. THAT'S our problem.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #50)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:42 PM

61. Then explain Senator Sanders (I-VT).

It appears he is absolutely putting party over lifelong ideology.

Or are PRINCIPLES a relative thing...

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #61)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:49 PM

65. More comedy gold. Thanks; now I will go to the chili cookoff with a smile and a bounce in my step.

 

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #61)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:46 PM

100. What? Please explain, I don't get it.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #50)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 08:15 PM

155. Your'e right. BERNIE SANDERS has ZERO principles

because If he had any he is would run as an independent. He would run as himself.

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Response to underthematrix (Reply #155)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 08:33 PM

163. Yeah. Bernie Sanders has ZERO principles. That's about the stupidest fucking thing I've EVER heard.

 

Entertain us some more please.

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Response to underthematrix (Reply #155)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 09:26 PM

171. Care to elaborate on that?

How, exactly, is he not running as himself?

What is he fighting for now that he hasn't been fighting for for the last few decades? What principles has he sold out?

Bernie is a better Democrat than most who are and have been in the party for a while. If the Democratic Party hadn't gone DLC, which the Clintons were a big part of, and Third Way, he wouldn't have felt the need to get in the race in order to bring the Dems back to where they once were, and by doing so, bring this country and its people back to the better place they once were.

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #28)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:06 PM

76. well, feel free to write them onto your ballot

 

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #28)

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 06:10 PM

195. Seems like the "lost elections" are those of Third Way Dems

So yes, their ideology is hurting the party.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:50 PM

29. My big advice to Bernie is this. Don't open any texts from ANTHONY WEINER

and if you do receive any send them to a reporter immediately.

Another thing . Bernie might not have joined that democratic party but he was there when they fucking needed him. One thing I have to say to the democratic party just like the democratic party hasn't always sided with ones who have voted for them some of us aren't seeing any fucking reason to side with them against Bernie.

A nasty smear from a nasty person but it's to be expected from that camp.

He is right that a Medicare for All health care program is a simpler, cheaper and more American solution to our health care needs than a jury rigged system that is better under Obamacare but still has too many gaps. And his battle cry on behalf of working Americans is better than Hillary Clinton’s.

fixed that paragraph for Weiner

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:55 PM

33. HE'S the latest attack dog? ROFL.

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Response to CharlotteVale (Reply #33)

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 04:23 AM

185. It's brilliant! Brilliant I tell you!

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:57 PM

34. Your " Torn " alright, and you said why, still kissing your wifes ass, huh Athony ?

 

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:58 PM

36. One of the central issues of our time . . .

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:58 PM

37. I really, really hope this guy is speaking out on his own

And not at the behest of the Clinton campaign. They need to instruct him to avoid the press. I can't think of a worse surrogate or spokesman.

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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #37)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 06:31 PM

132. And I can't think of a better one.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #132)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 07:50 PM

151. ha

Well i suppose that depends on whether one is supporting her or not.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #132)

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 04:28 AM

186. shhhh

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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #37)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 08:26 PM

157. You send out someone like this to try out a new attack line.

If it gains any traction, then valuable surrogates use it too. If it utterly fails and he remains a laughing stock, Clinton hasn't lost anything of value.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 01:59 PM

38. This man has no credibility

and is a fool.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:05 PM

42. New article about his wife, Huma Abedin. Hillary's Shadow is title of article.

She is far more than just an aide to Hillary. I can not imagine she or Hillary would approve of Anthony Weiner's remarks about whether Bernie belongs in the Democratic party.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/hillary-clinton-2016-campaign-huma-abedin-119671.html

I am going to vote for Bernie Sanders in the primary. Posts like this make me more determined than ever. It's time for change. It's time for someone not owned by corporations.

Thanks for posting this, it really settles things in my mind.

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Response to madfloridian (Reply #42)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:43 PM

62. If she's that tight with Hillary, then I can't imagine that Weiner

simply went off on his own here, without having it suggested to him. That seems even more unlikely.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #62)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 09:16 PM

169. ^^ this ^^

NT

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:08 PM

43. Anthony Weiner

Has either lost a shitload of cognitive power or he's being deliberately obtuse. The answer is so simple any one who understands the Democratic party, as a former congressman should, knows why Bernie is running in our primary. The party is stuck between two factions right now and the liberal side is tired of the shifting spectrum. If Bernie doesn't run as a Democrat he destroys the party. Most people don't give a fuck about the party. They want the party they support to support their ideals. If the party doesn't they will move on. It the party's job to support the people, it's not the peoples job to keep the Democratic Party alive.

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Response to Alittleliberal (Reply #43)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:51 PM

66. This is exactly right. And running as an indy in the Democratic Primary may get MORE GE votes!

 

I think Bernie recognizes that this country is at a turning point, with both of its two major parties (that within this system are the only parties able to win a presidential election without something like instant runoff voting), some big changes are needed for our system to survive as a democracy, and that the people in general are starting to see that and either have tuned out to politics in general and haven't voted, or are becoming independent voters.

1) As noted he doesn't want to go the Nader route and run as an independent, where is more likely to lose, and also have the Democratic nominee lose too. He understands the wisdom of that, and I would like to think Weiner is capable of understanding that too.

2) Now as to why he doesn't join the Democratic Party to run in the primary. Well, first he really doesn't NEED to with our current set of rules, and secondly, I think by him doing so, it highlights that our system is needing fixing like Citizen's United and McCutcheon decisions being taken down, and something like instant runoff voting, and by him running as an independent, he can highlight that though the Democratic Party is certainly better than the Republican Party or he wouldn't caucus with them or run in their primary, but that it is also in need of fixes too to make it more answerable to its base of voters than those that currently fund it.

3) By him running as an independent in the Democratic Party, it is in effect an invitation to those who feel disaffected by our current system having them being independent voters, or potentially very unhappy Republicans that don't like their party being bought too, that he's an opportunity to really set a course for huge changes in the system to correct these problems. If he just joined the Democratic Party, many of these independents would just write him off as someone else that has been "bought off" by the current system, and is doing this just to get elected president and follow the same problematic centrist BS crap that so many of them have recently too, even if Bernie might still wanting to be doing good things the way he has as an independent.

Quite frankly I think the way he's running the way he does has the best opportunity for a true populist to break the ice in either party and get a large portion of the population that are interested in more populist power from any party in the system to get activated and vote them in to office. I think Bernie is being very smart the way he's running things to activate grass roots movements to bring in those that might have been feeling left out over the last few decades. Perot showed there's a huge segment that want this kind of independent streak to have the masses speak truth to power on issues like NAFTA (that today's TPA/TPP has similar sentiments against it and both parties that have been pushing it).

I think that the Democratic Party should feel honored that a voice like his feels that the Democratic Party is the avenue for change here, and that it is the one that can be fixed, and rebuilt back in to the party of the people that it has been strongly in the past. Dismissing him is as some say here having party loyalty trump ideology and working on issues that affect all of us, which REALLY turns many millenials and other voters off.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:10 PM

44. We can now be reasonably certain Hillary is running short of attack dogs.

 

Must be scraping the bottom of the barrel with Weiner Dog.
The bigger question is...what is Hillary doing associating herself with a sex offender?

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #44)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:00 PM

71. Thought for sure they'd keep Carlos Danger on the down low.

But since he's come "out", so to speak, supporting HRC, I would like to comment to all those loyal supporters who might dream of being invited, by way of thank you for their loyalty and hard work, to a White House dinner. Who might be at your table? And you'd have to shake hands with them -----eeeeewwwwwwwwww! Tawdry and creepy enough on their own - imagine after they've had wine and liquor to lessen whatever de minimis inhibitions they possess.

The aforesaid Carlos Danger?

Or Bill's buddy, registered pedophile sex offender, Jeffrey Epstein?
Clinton, meanwhile, flew on multiple occasions in the same plane to Epstein’s private Caribbean island, Little St James, between 2002 and 2005 as he developed his philanthropic post-presidential career. It would later be alleged in court that Epstein organised orgies on that same private island in the US Virgin Islands.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/who-is-jeffrey-epstein-a-study-of-the-man-linked-to-worlds-of-celebrity-politics--and-royalty-9954397.html
http://gawker.com/flight-logs-put-clinton-dershowitz-on-pedophile-billio-1681039971



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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #44)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 08:38 PM

165. You send out someone like this to try out a new attack

If it falls flat, you haven't lost anything of value. If it gets a little traction, you have surrogates who are not laughing stocks repeat the attack.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:12 PM

45. Fuck that skinny little screaming loser.

 

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:12 PM

46. I agree! Bernie is not a Democrat.

It's a good question!

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Response to Sancho (Reply #46)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:26 PM

52. LOL. Bernie Sanders is what most Democrats can only DREAM of being.

 

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #52)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:19 PM

85. Yep. Not bought by corporations.

 

Stands up for minorities, workers, the poor and middle class, the young, pretty much everyone the Third Way Corporatists want to piss on.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:15 PM

47. He answered his own question, imo

"I served with Bernie and he is my kind of politician a progressive guy with some New York City attitude. It’s hard not to love Bernie Sanders"

Furthermore, the Same questioned can be asked of ALL the Conservative Wing, Wall Street Democrats! "What are you doing Here (in Our Party) in the first place"?

So, what's in a "title" anyway? We have "Dems" caucusing with GOP all the time. We have Dems who work for, both subtlety and blatantly, Wall Street (TPP etc) so Why do They get a Free Pass on answering this very question WE have already asked for Years now???!!?

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:20 PM

48. Weiner has a point, but I also give Sanders credit for not

Being a spoiler.

Other than guns, Sanders views are well within the mainstream Democratic electorate.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #48)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 04:25 PM

221. Bernie's view on guns is also mainstream

 

No matter how much stretching you have to do. It's still mainstream.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:31 PM

55. Bernie Sanders reasons for running are probably exactly what he has said they are

 

and whether he thought he had a real shot at the nomination when he started, I can tell you that any candidate can and will convince himself that he can and will win and will believe so until the returns are coming in.

Bernie is a good man. If he is the nominee I will gladly support him and hope the rest of the party will too. However, I want Hillary. For all the reasons the right hates her guts with a blinding passion. She is a liberal, and she has been in enough fights to know which ones to fight, and how to win them: with her friends.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:31 PM

57. If I were Hillary

I'd be on the phone to Huma sooo fast and tell her to tell hubby that he can keep his support to himself.

Good lord.

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Response to Puglover (Reply #57)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:03 PM

73. If I were Huma I would be offended that my husband was being used or allowing

himself to be used as a sleeze to smear a fine man like Bernie Sanders.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:37 PM

58. as many people said after they saw pics of Anthony's

 

"Is this all you got ?"
People will remember Mr. Weiner for the dick he is .


okay end of dick jokes .

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Response to olddots (Reply #58)

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 07:37 PM

197. aww the end, already!?

 

All I could come up with was "pics or it didn't happen..."

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:38 PM

59. Weiner whine!

Poor guy, he's worried his party is being taken over by socialism!

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:48 PM

64. Nice hit piece from the husband of the woman that serves as vice-chairwoman of Hillary 2016.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:00 PM

70. ANTHONY WEINER...

 

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:14 PM

82. Question back to you, Anthony:

Have you with your lovely pictures served
the party well?

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:19 PM

86. A lot of people here keep on raising that question also.

 

Not that it's a valid one, since Bernie has always caucused with the Democratic Party.

But his not being a "real" Democrat is going to be the only thing the Hillary camp will have to attempt to discredit him and win the nomination.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:24 PM

88. well, I guess that answers the question of who the next surrogate will be...who's up next? nt

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:28 PM

91. GO Team Clinton. This oughta do the trick!!

Comical. Being attacked by a douchebag who can't stop sending dick pics. PERFECT.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:28 PM

92. Weiner’s Wife Didn’t Disclose Consulting Work She Did While Serving in State Dept.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/17/nyregion/weiners-wife-huma-abedin-failed-to-disclose-consulting-work-done-while-a-state-dept-aide.html


The State Department, under Secretary Hillary Rodham Clinton, created an arrangement for her longtime aide and confidante Huma Abedin to work for private clients as a consultant while serving as a top adviser in the department.

Ms. Abedin did not disclose the arrangement — or how much income she earned — on her financial report. It requires officials to make public any significant sources of income. An adviser to Mrs. Clinton, Philippe Reines, said that Ms. Abedin was not obligated to do so.

The disclosure of the agreement that Ms. Abedin made with the State Department comes as her husband, former Representative Anthony D. Weiner, a Democrat, prepares for a mayoral run in New York City. Politico reported the arrangement on Thursday afternoon.

Ms. Abedin declined a request for an interview, but the picture that emerges from interviews and records suggests a situation where the lines were blurred between Ms. Abedin’s work in the high echelons of one of the government’s most sensitive executive departments and her role as a Clinton family insider.

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Response to antigop (Reply #92)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 08:28 PM

159. This needs to be an OP

How about it?

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Response to antigop (Reply #92)

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 07:52 PM

198. Shady. Like always, with anything Clinton-related.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:34 PM

95. Carlos Danger rides again! NO way Bernie wins the all-important DickPic vote......

 

If he's now an "attack dog" for HRC would that would make him a "dachsund"...

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:49 PM

104. Who cares what this pervert says

 

He's only looking out for himself AGAIN!!!! His wife works for Hillary, so he see's an opening in his pea brain.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:55 PM

105. Weiner is only making Bernie look better in this article.

The Dem Party is so corporate now the only way we can really get any change is with someone like Bernie. Weiner knows that and that's why he said all those nice things about Bernie. Weiner railed against a lot of the same things Bernie does when he was on fire.

In fact, Bernie always got me fired up to make the fighting wing of the Democratic Party feistier. So much so, that I loved it when my less clever right wing opponents would decry Obamacare as “socialism”. Bernie and I would remind these blockheads that giving people tax credits to buy a product from a giant corporation is hardly socialist.


Bernie is right about a lot of things. He is right that a Medicare for All health care program is a simpler, cheaper and more American solution to our health care needs than a jury rigged system that is better under Obamacare but still has too many gaps. And his battle cry on behalf of working Americans is almost as good as Hillary Clinton’s.

In spite of all this, if Bernie wants to lead this party, he needs to explain what he's doing here in the first place.


He's been explaining it plenty, Weiner. You are not in a position to demand what people need to explain. I suspect that's why you wrote this article, to try to worm your way back into politics on the HRC coattails.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 04:25 PM

110. jerry: c'mon, how was your date?

ELAINE: oh, date, the date

JERRY: Ya how was it?

ELAINE: Interesting.

JERRY: Really.

ELAINE: Oh ya.

JERRY: Why what happened?

ELAINE: Let's see, (thinking) how shall I put this.

JERRY: Just put it.

ELAINE: He took it out.

JERRY: (confused) He what?

ELAINE: He took (blows on her glasses twice to clean them) it out.

JERRY: He took what out?

ELAINE: It.

JERRY: He took It, Out?

ELAINE: Yessiree Bob.

JERRY: He couldn't.

ELAINE: He did.

JERRY: (motions of making out) Well you were involved in some sort of amorous...

ELAINE: Noooo.

JERRY: You mean he just

ELAINE: Yes.

JERRY: Are you sure?

ELAINE: Oh quite.

JERRY: There was no mistaking it?

ELAINE: (looks straight into his eyes) Jerry.

that is really all i have to share on this subject

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 04:31 PM

111. It's a legitimate question.

I'm sure Sanders will be asked directly and I'm sure he'll answer. For me it's not an issue at all in whether I'll vote for him. Whether it's an issue for anyone else remains to be seen. I kind of doubt it will be much of an issue for anyone in whether or not they'll vote for him. I think most everyone will judge him on his merits, aside from how he answers this question.

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Response to lovemydog (Reply #111)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 04:34 PM

112. Bernie has spoken of why many times.

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Response to madfloridian (Reply #112)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 04:36 PM

113. Thanks madfloridian.

I'm sure he gave a great answer. If you want to share it feel free.

Is it that he doesn't want to be a spoiler in the race? If that's his answer, that's good for me.

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Response to lovemydog (Reply #113)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 04:52 PM

116. Here is one explanation.

In an interview last year with The Nation, Sanders explained his thought process in deciding whether to run for president as a Democrat:

“The dilemma is that, if you run outside of the Democratic Party … you’re not just running a race for president, you’re really running to build an entire political movement. In doing that, you would be taking votes away from the Democratic candidate and making it easier for some right-wing Republican to get elected—the [Ralph] Nader dilemma.

“The bolder, more radical approach is obviously running outside of the two-party system,” he added. “Do people believe at this particular point that there is the capability of starting a third-party movement? Or is that an idea that is simply not realistic at this particular moment in history?”

The answer Sanders reached appears to be no.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/04/30/bernie_sanders_joins_2016_field_--_as_a_democrat_126448.html

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Response to madfloridian (Reply #116)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 04:58 PM

117. Thanks.

Perfect answer, imo.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 05:01 PM

118. Question for Weiner, did you finally stop sending

Photos of your anatomy to random women on the internet?

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #118)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 10:03 AM

211. A much better question

Anthony, when are you going to stop being such a dick?

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #211)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 10:06 AM

212. Precisely!

Thanks for the laugh.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #212)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 10:09 AM

213. No problem

Glad I could help.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 05:09 PM

119. Anthony,

 

Please stop sending pictures of your junk to my ex-wife.

She's hard enough to deal with, already.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 06:03 PM

125. Fuck you, pervert...

 

not you, Stellar, that was directed at Weiner. I am sure you know that, but it is better to be safe

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #125)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 07:20 PM

140. LOL, OK.

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Response to Stellar (Reply #140)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 07:22 PM

141. What kills me about this dude...

 

is he gets busted, then has to resign from congress. One should learn from that, right? Not this clown. He get busted doing it again while running for mayor. It seems the only head that works on this guy is the one below his belt.

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #141)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 07:35 PM

146. I just don't get why guys like showing their privates...

must be a guy thing.

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Response to Stellar (Reply #146)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 07:44 PM

148. They make us happy...

 

but too many men think because their tallywhacker makes them happy it will make everybody else happy, too

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #148)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 07:46 PM

149. Jebus! nt

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 06:16 PM

126. Sanders is running as a Democrat becaues he knows that a third party run will hand the White House

to Republicans.

Sanders may win or lose the nomination or the General with the Democratic Party, but he has no intention of wrapping the
White House up in a bow for Republicans.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #126)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 08:12 PM

154. Exactly. Vermont is not the nation.

 

In the political climate of Vermont, Sanders judged, correctly, that he could run outside the two major parties and win.

Weiner writes:

Is Bernie’s newfound party affiliation just a practical decision to run in a party that can win rather than risk being a Nader-esque spoiler on a third party line in November? That’s a fair calculation, but doesn’t it wipe away Bernie’s three decades of standing as a principled Socialist?


There is nothing unprincipled about not wanting to be Ralph Nader. Sanders's record is that of consistently trying to work for his ideals. Unlike Nader, he makes intelligent judgments about how best to do that. Running outside the Democratic Party was how he advanced his ideals in Vermont, but doing so nationally would hurt those causes rather than helping.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 06:24 PM

129. How DARE anyone challenge The Queen!

Fuck that shit, Anthony. You have NO credibility. And reduced to writing for Yahoo? My how the mighty have fallen.

ETA: Notice the hit-and-run Sanders attack by the OP. And newbie too. Been a lot of those lately.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #129)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 07:05 PM

139. Notice the hit-and-run Sanders attack by the OP. And newbie too. Been a lot of those lately.

Can you explain that to me please.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 06:31 PM

133. Have to give Anthony credit for making sure his wife kept her maiden name.

 

Going by Huma Weiner wouldn't be a good career move.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 08:26 PM

158. Interesting thread, from the replies I am not sure very many read the link far enough to know what

The question was. Most was attacks on Weiner or Hillary, a few responded to the question Weiner ask. It was not a smear on Bernie.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 08:29 PM

161. It's funny that Carlos Danger has no idea how google works when it keeps getting him in trouble.

Bernie has answered this question already and more than once. Google could be Weiner's friend, but I guess he just thinks of it as more of a way to try to hook up or whatever.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #161)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 08:32 PM

162. LOL! STOP!

he just thinks of it as more of a way to try to hook up or whatever.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 08:37 PM

164. y'all make me so glad I'm African American

Someone posted that the reason Bernie is running is because he thought HRC was a bad choice for Democrats. So let me get this straight. Hillary is worse than the GOP KLOWN KAR which now has 17 UNQUALIFIED candidates running for the GOP nomination. You think one of those racist homophobic sexist idiots would be better than HRC? And do you really think any of the DEMOCRATIC delegates are gonna support Bernie, a political opportunist who decided to register as a DEM so he could run in the Democratic primaries to try to weaken HRC's support. It's still early but Bernie just doesn't have any clear path to the nomination. It doesn't exist. Not gonna happen and I'm not even an HRC supporter but I definitely prefer her to Bernie. Bernie is a PHONY.

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Response to underthematrix (Reply #164)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 08:47 PM

167. I don't think there is a single sentence in your post that doesn't have a factual error. (nt)

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Response to underthematrix (Reply #164)

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 09:16 AM

191. Why aren't you a HRC supporter, you talk as though you are.

There is nothing wrong with supporting Hillary, but stabbing Bernie in the back at the same time...

And, have you forgiven the Clintons and their operatives for all of those racist remarks about Obama back in 2008.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 08:47 PM

168. Maybe the Roundup Ready Campaign is hard up...

 

And this was the best volunteer attack dog they could muster.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #168)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 10:20 PM

178. The Roundup Ready Campaign lol...

I support Bernie, as full disclosure...

Damn it's gonna get bad around here for a while...

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 03:50 AM

181. :(

 

Yes here we go people HRC surrogates with loose lips.

The ghost of 08' is coming

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 05:47 AM

188. very well done opinion piece.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #188)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 08:08 AM

207. I hear this guy has some very well done pictures of his genitals too.

Sends them out on the net to women he has never met. You get to see those yet?

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #207)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 08:19 AM

208. no I don't use twitter, its to hackable and reminds me of the old chat rooms where

men seem to always post pics of their genitals

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #208)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 08:47 AM

209. But in this creeps well written opinion...

....you really need to see his pics. You like his opinions, right?

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #209)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 10:03 AM

210. why don't you post the pictures, if you're so interested in showing them to others?

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 11:12 AM

193. this is crazy

No one can run besides Hillary or everyone's going to flip out? Why fuck around? Can we just go full on Communist and have only one candidate on the ballot to vote for? Why the charade? We can't even play out the charade without partisan hacks telling us to sit down and shut up?

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 07:35 PM

196. I think Bernie made the right choice running as a Dem. If he ran Independent, we could possibly end

 

up with a Jeb Bush or Scott Walker, or even a Donald Trump as President. Bernie appeals to Democratic Socialists of the Democratic Party. I don't know what the statistics are regarding this, but it's a huge slice of the Dem Party IMO. We know what a shrewd operator the Clinton machine is, and yeah she's got all the corporate money on her side. Go figure. Guess who she's going to be working for if she gets into office? At least Bernie knows he won't be splitting the ticket.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 09:13 PM

199. Democratic Party leaders won't permit Sanders to win.

His policies are not in keeping with the Party itself, despite what many at this site and others like it say the Party should be about. I'm talking about what the party is truly about that you can note in action, and not what the party platform might say it is.

My suggestion to Sanders supporters is after he doesn't get the nomination to go form your own party. You'll never be happy in the Democratic Party, rest assured.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 10:24 PM

200. Does this guy understand anything that doesn't involve pictures of his dick?

Thanks for you input, Carl.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 10:27 PM

201. Doesn't he have someone to send a dick-pic to?

 

Seriously, Carlos Danger is the best they've got?

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 10:30 PM

202. Oh honey ....

We all got sick of looking at your weiner ... not that it was so bad. But that's another Oprah. Granted when he was in congress he kicked ass ... but he let his penis do the talking.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 10:46 PM

204. Hasn't paid his dues

 

Another article saying Sanders hasn't paid his dues to the Democratic Party, so he can't be the nominee. Anyone to the left of Clare McCaskill admits he's one of the few true Democrats remaining in the party's great rightward shift, but that's not good enough. And Weiner is probably right. Both major parties are far more tolerant of someone who will sell out the American people to get elected and add one more D or on more R to tip the precarious balance between the two parties. Thus we have Democrats who wouldn't be allowed to join if (1) we didn't need them so badly and (2) we had any kind of threshold. We have a party with many who are fiercely loyal to the party, even if they are not loyal to Democratic principles and ideals. They have thrown away their integrity to keep getting reelected and remain important Democratic Party members, and they must feel the pain of the sacrifices they made, the ideals they abandoned and the whores they laid down with, because they become really, really upset when they see somebody who hasn't made the same compromises they made. They could be right. Maybe the party doesn't want somebody who is unwilling to choose loyalty over principle.

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Response to HassleCat (Reply #204)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 08:00 AM

206. Again, Malcolm X is right...



"Another article saying Sanders hasn't paid his dues to the Democratic Party,

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 11:38 AM

215. "And his battle cry on behalf of working Americans is almost as good as Hillary Clinton’s."

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Mon Jul 13, 2015, 01:51 PM

217. I'm sure Hillary is thrilled with such a high-caliber endorsement.

 

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 04:08 PM

218. Bernie weighed the relative merits of a Democratic vs. 3rd Party run.

 

As a regular listener of the Thom Hartmann show, I have enjoyed one hour a week -- "Brunch with Bernie" -- of Bernie's give-and-take with Thom's listeners for years, learning to like and respect this guy more and more as I got a sense of who he is and how he thinks.

For the past six months or so, Bernie has been considering a presidential run. He openly discussed the pros and cons of running 3rd party or as a Dem (he caucuses with the Dems, votes with them, heads up Dem committees, etc.) His primary reasons, as I understood them, for choosing to run on the Dem ticket were:

1) The Democrats have a nominating organization already set up to facilitate a run. This is much smoother and less expensive than starting from scratch, especially for someone like Bernie who has quietly, steadily worked in the halls of the Congress and Senate alongside the Dems against the Repubs for DECADES, never trying to "be a star," but simply concentrating on representing his constituents without compromising his core democratic values. His votes have always aligned with the progressive side of his Democratic colleagues. He has not amassed big pots of money and fame, necessities for a strong 3rd Party run.

2) Bernie did not want to be a spoiler. He did not want to do what Nader did. Bernie is a realist, and he said he could never forgive himself if his run siphoned off enough votes from a Democrat to open the way for a Republican. Bernie stated that if he loses the nomination, he will throw his support to the winning Democrat. He loves this country, and this country, for him, is the American people. He, better than most, knows what the stakes are and would not put the rest of us at risk.

I was glad that he chose to run in the Democratic primary.

Now as for Mr. Weiner -- how is it possible that someone as experienced and tuned in as Anthony Weiner could be unaware of this? Bernie deliberated openly, not secretively (like some), and his reasons were not only expressed but also obvious to anyone who knows the game. Is Weiner simply doing a favor? Scoring points? Trying to win over certain disaffected parties?

Somehow, Weiner's "confusion" doesn't ring true for me.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 04:40 PM

226. Why do you think your opinion is relevant Mr. "let me send you a photo of my Tighty whiteys"?

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Mon Jul 13, 2015, 04:54 PM

228. So is this a sign Camp Hillary is nervous? Sending her top aides hubby out w questions 4 Bernie?

Mr. "LookAtMyTightyWhiteys" thinks he is relevant any more? Really? I mean, I know his family breadwinner works for Hillary, but this is pitiful.

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Response to Stellar (Original post)

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 04:59 PM

229. And Bernie does not dash his doodle at people on line.

So he's got that going for him.

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