The Most Pathetic Anti-Hillary RopeGate Rant So Far

[UCmeNdc]

The right wing media and the beltway press has been buzzing all over Hillary Clinton's rope-a-dope with journalists from the 4th of July weekend. (I guess it could be called RopeGate) She had the audacity to put a barrier between them and her attempts at talking to average Americans.

At the Fourth of July parade Hillary Clinton marched in today in Gorham, New Hampshire, reporters following the candidate were kept — and at moments, dragged — behind an actual moving rope line. The rope, which two Clinton staffers held on to on either side, was meant to give Clinton space as she walked down the parade route, but photos of reporters being dragged behind the rope as she marched have gone viral on Twitter.

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/07/most-pathetic-anti-hillary-ropegate-rant

[UCmeNdc]

1. It was a stupid idea......

Her staff will have to do much better at anticipating the "visual" at a media event. She needs to learn how "to think on her feet" in front of the media as she goes forward.

[Human101948]

4. Yes, they should have kept them miles away like Bush did...

White House bans news coverage of coffins returning from Iraq

By Bill Vann
23 October 2003

The Washington Post reported Wednesday that the Bush administration has ordered the Pentagon to prevent any news coverage of the bodies of US troops being sent home from Iraq. The blackout on casualties is part of the attempt by the White House to recast the nightmare in Iraq as a “good news” story.

“Since the end of the Vietnam War, presidents have worried that their military actions would lose support once the public glimpsed the remains of US soldiers arriving at air bases in flag-draped coffins,” wrote the Post’s White House reporter Dana Milbank. “To this problem, the Bush administration has found a simple solution: It has ended the public dissemination of such images by banning news coverage and photography of dead soldiers’ homecomings on all military bases.”

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2003/10/bush-o23.html

Now, that was something that mattered. Their bruised egos do not matter.

[bobbobbins01]

2. As a Bernie supporter, I think the rope thing is asinine

But that said, it does seem that the Hillary supporters are the ones who cling very tightly to optics and electability. And, that being the case, I think it does make for a more valid criticism, since this does not play well in the media. She and her people should have known that.

[CTyankee]

48. oh, me too. but the optics for HRC were very bad...

and I think she's going to need better advisers, if it is not too late. Right now I support Bernie but if she is our candidate in the end I will support her. I have worked for wonderful organizations run by women who double down on secrecy (while declaring their "transparency" loudly) and it is self defeating. Even ifyou are telling the absolute truth, it doesn't ring true and that is a bad thing...

[99Forever]

5. Clinton and her handlers have learned nothing from her last loss.

Completely, utterly tone deaf and circling the drain.

[Nitram]

18. Int that case, Bernistas have absoluely nothing to worry about,

and they can save energy for the real campaign.

[99Forever]

19. What the fuck is a Bernista?

Some name a grade schooler thought up for you??

[Nitram]

20. Sorry. Touched a nerve?

[99Forever]

21. Not really....

....but please proceed.

[Nitram]

22. I appreciate your generosity.

And your munificence.

[99Forever]

25. That's very special.

Bless your heart.

[Nitram]

30. I'm pleased my kind words soothed your fevered brow.

You sounded like you might blow a gasket back there.

[99Forever]

32. Even more special.

[quickesst]

53. Kind of like.....

....a Clintonista, only somehow, for some reason, different? Meaner? More snarky? Easy to point over a fence at a pile of crap in your neighbors yard while completely ignoring the pile of crap you're standing on to do it. Not saying you use the term yourself, but you might want to take another look at your own camp. The third grader you mentioned must have made another stop.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251429434

[99Forever]

54. And that applies to me exactly how?

You understand how to diffentiate one poster from another, correct?

No?

Let me help you out.

We have different posting names.


No need to thank me.

[quickesst]

55. I didn't say...

...it applied to you. Remember, I did state that even if you did not use the term yourself. I am simply pointing out that your denigration of another DU member because of a silly term and their preference should be applied equally. Ask yourself if you have ever chastised anyone who has used the term "Hillbot, Clintonista, corporate shill, warmonger,etc, and asked them if it was inspired by a third grader. If you have, then I will withdraw my statement.

[99Forever]

56. Sorry friend.

But I'm not the Posting Police, but when some yahoo responds directly to me with crap, I'll take issue with it. If you don't like the terminology someone uses, take it up with THEM, instead of using it as an excuse for someone you happen to agree with acting the fool to me.

[quickesst]

57. ok

....I didn't say a word about agreeing with anybody, but I think I'll just give it up. Seems I've been hitting the ball a little too high a lot lately. So, enjoy the rest of your day...friend.

[frylock]

23. Sanders has ZERO to lose, and as such, his "Bernistas" aren't in the least bit worried.

[virtualobserver]

34. don't you think that Sandernista would be funnier? n/t

[Nitram]

37. Not specially.

[kenfrequed]

38. Oh come on...

Sandernista would have been a hell of a lot more funny. You could have gotten in a bit of a jab at Sanders being a socialist at the same time. I totally support Sanders and I would have smirked just a teensy-weensy bit.

Or is Bernista supposed to make you think of the kid serving you your coffee?

[Nitram]

39. I prefer to label Bernie supporters the way Bernistas label Clinton supporters.

Since Sanders supporters prefer to use Bernie, I think Bernista is more appropriate than Sandernista.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x821971|

[kenfrequed]

40. Yawn...

I didn't know that Bernie was running for president in 2011? Check the time-stamp on this one.

Also I think two or three people commented on that artifact of a post and I doubt anyone noticed.

And again, yawn.

[Nitram]

42. Sorry to bore you. But you are the one who kept asking.

I guess your boredom was a foregone conclusion. Try a search for Clintonista on DU and you'll find a multitude of hits. There have always been Clinton-haters. I liked the one I linked to because it as just so mean. Yawn.

[kenfrequed]

43. Right...

Let me pop into my Bernie-Tardis and go back to 2011 to comment on that post you cited. I was recommending why Sandernista would make a better joke and a better nickname for Bernie supporters to you and you seem intent on making this mean spirited.

I don't think I have ever really used a specific word like that to describe people that support Hillary. So yeah...

I think I will skip out on doing your work for you.

[Nitram]

44. "You could have gotten in a bit of a jab at Sanders being a socialist at the same time."

That's a better joke in your world? I'M making this mean spirited after YOU suggested I could have made a nastier jab at Bernie supporters? You sound very confused.

[kenfrequed]

46. Uhm...

You know you do have to look at the entire block of text in context. I stated that I am a Sanders supporter and even I would have smirked a bit at being called a Sandernista.

I think you are on outrage mode right now and I am just going to step back and let you be.

Post whatever you like next.

Congrats! You win an Internetz!

[Nitram]

47. If pointing out inconsistencies in your reasoning is outrage...

[virtualobserver]

49. I think that you are taking this stuff too seriously

there is no outrage....just an attempt to lighten things up a bit

[Nitram]

50. Then I apologize for taking it seriously.

I agree, we could all use a little comic relief.

[NCTraveler]

6. She has handled them masterfully.

All on this board would love here approach here if it wasn't for one simple thing. Ninety percent of the people here are supporting someone who needs to cater to the right wing media in order to become known. I understand why that frustrates them. Hillary doesn't have to find interview after interview just to get people to remember her name. That is a tough place to be in. All of the negative comments about her handling of this are directly related to what I just described. If it wasn't for that, all of the post would be in favor of how she is dealing with the media. I mean, there simply nothing not to like about it. It is beyond pathetic, as is all the consternation coming from the "left."

[retrowire]

7. so...

if it weren't for a competitor reaching out to everyone (which is expected of any good candidate. needing recognition or not) then we'd all love the rope technique?

...

speaking for myself, no I wouldn't be happy with any candidate who pulls journalists around with a rope. what's wrong with media exposure? what's wrong with the media walking with her as she talks to citizens? Bernie walks down sidewalks shaking hands, opening car doors for people with media circling him just fine.

to me, the rope symbolizes control of the media which is literally what she's doing. there's no NEED for it is there? I mean it really shows distrust in hard working people. I'm sure they know to keep their distance.

[NCTraveler]

10. Keep telling yourself pandering to right wingers is the way to go.

Keep telling yourself that letting the right wing control your message is the way to go.

This isn't my first rodeo.

"Bernie walks down sidewalks shaking hands, opening car doors for people with media circling him just fine."

He has to. He has no choice. You might have read that in the post you are replying to.

[retrowire]

13. i did.

why can't Hillary do that? why is the rope necessary? and hey, the rope gave faux news juicier material to work with so, a rope isn't going to control right wing media, nothing will. they'll say what the want. the rope was a weak and terrible solution. the right wingers can say worse things and potential voters as myself see it as too controlling.

meanwhile Bernie uses no rope, nor denies conversations with anyone. he doesn't attempt to control any discussion. that means integrity to me.

[Sheepshank]

58. trying to be reasonable here...right? it's what we are trying to do?

The media swamps Hillary. She really doesn't need unwanted exposure. She doesn't need their "feel goods", after they have crucfied her at ever other turn.

What she really wanted out of this 4th July parade was a way for her to physically connect with the voters, the constituency, without the rabid media blocking her view, sticking microphones in her face and trampling kids and those maybe a little more timid to step up and shake her hand. I see nothing wrong with keeping the baying media at arms or ropes distance.

[frylock]

24. Clinton ignoring the press IS allowing them to control the message

There's none so blind...

[NCTraveler]

26. She has been great at controlling her message.

That is very clear. They are falling all over themselves to talk to her. This will be more bang for the buck in an interview than anyone this season. By far. The only way it will be topped is if someone really gaffes in an interview. Hillary gives the media the treatment they deserve and some duers all the sudden find love for the right wing media. Awe, she has to give them time. Awe, she has to show them respect. Awe, I don't know what she meant by the thousands and thousands of words she has spoken over the last months without the media telling me what to think. Everyone here would be behind this if it weren't for one little thing.

[cherokeeprogressive]

45. What is this message you speak of? The one she's so great at controlling.

She's controlling it SO WELL, come to think of it... I don't even know what it is other than I'm ready for Hillary.

[kath]

29. So Sanders"needs to cater to the right wing media", is "pandering to right wingers", and is "letting

The right wing control his message"??

WHAT?!?

(And congrats for following Skinner's advice to HRC supporters ("the best way to support Hillary is by staying positive...avoid divisive rhetoric or insults -- just keep it factual&quot which is in an ATA message which was so gleefully and *selectively* posted in the Hillary room (and as an OP in GDP before being blocked for being Meta). Good job at being an ambassador for HRC.)

[NCTraveler]

33. Context actually means something.

When one has to butcher and snip things like that, it is normally to make the context fit what they want it to. Nice job but you went so far that it isn't really legible.

[kath]

35. No, those things are exactly what you said.

[kath]

36. Okay - here are your full sentences

"Ninety percent of the people here are supporting someone who needs to cater to the right wing media in order to become known."

(referring to candidates' behavior, i.e. Bernie's)"Keep telling yourself pandering to right wingers is the way to go.

Keep telling yourself that letting the right wing control your message is the way to go."

Giving the full context doesn't make these phrases sound one whit less ridiculous. But nice try.

[Darb]

12. Me thinks thou doth protesteth...oh never mind.

You know the rest.

[NCTraveler]

31. Well now, that was a waste. lol. Have a wonderful day. nt.

[Rectangle]

8. So, you're not on the left??

"It is beyond pathetic, as is all the consternation coming from the "left."

What side of political spectrum are you coming from?

[NCTraveler]

9. Try again. The sentence is clear enough that your gotcha won't work here.

You can't read that and come to the conclusion you are attempting to. It doesn't logically work.

[kenfrequed]

41. so...

When you use "left" in quotes you are attemting to say that those of us on the left who are critics of secretary Clinton aren't "really" on the left?

I can tell you my "consternation" comes from her foreign policy ideas and from my inability to believe that someone who cashes the checks of Wallstreet and the biggest banks in America on Monday is going to actually stand up to them on Thursday.

[Darb]

11. Starting early with a Repuke meme, are we?

Who gives a flying fuck about Hillary wanting the pestilence of the the right-wing press kept as far away as possible.

Not me. Or any sane Democrat.

[retrowire]

14. yeah but

on the other hand, using the rope gave faux news juicier material to work with.

the rope was never necessary, don't know why anyone defends it.

[Darb]

15. Not really worried about Fix Snews watchers, frankly.

They are delusional to the point of needing to be institutionalized.

I'm not defending it, I am saying it's a non-story. And it is. So stop pretending that it is a story, because it is not a story. It doesn't amount to a lump of shit in the whole scheme of things, now does it? Really, does it mean even the tiniest little morsel of shit?

[retrowire]

16. true

faux news watchers are delusional.

another truth, the rope thing bothered me.

if it bothers me then no doubt it bothers others and if that's the case then yeah this may be small potatoes in the big picture but its still potatoes.

so yeah. :/ the rope meant something to me.

[bunnies]

17. Gorham is a tiny little town, maybe 3000 people.

There were four spaces for the press set up that the Clinton Campaign chose not to use. It was exactly the optics you do *not* want when campaigning in NH. People complained they couldnt get close to her if they wanted to. They also complained about nearly getting trampled by the press. Why they didnt use the spots for the press I will never understand. They turned a tiny town parade into a spectacle.

And now you cant go into a damn grocery store around here without hearing about the Maine guy blowing up his head with fireworks or the Clinton Campaign & those ropes.

It was really, really, tone-deaf.

[Man of Distinction]

27. I'm sure people are turning to Bernie...

Because he is easily accessible. Not for sale to any corporations.

[bunnies]

28. Thats one of the many reasons.

Welcome to DU.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

51. The only people who give two shits about Ropeghazi

are butthurt beltway types like Chuck Todd or hackneyed Dorothy Kilgallen-wannabes like Maureen Dowd

[Thinkingabout]

52. It doesn't matter what words are said, what campaign plans the Hillary campaign it meets with

criticism is sure to follow. Why, because Hillary is at the top, we expect these things to happen. She will continue with her campaign, sit back and enjoy, she will represent all the critics also.