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Mon Jul 6, 2015, 09:31 PM

 

Bernie's crowd in Portland, ME ...

White alone, percent, 2010 (a) 85.0% 95.2%
Black or African American alone, percent definition and source info Black or African American alone, percent, 2010 (a) 7.1% 1.2%
American Indian and Alaska Native alone, percent definition and source info American Indian and Alaska Native alone, percent, 2010 (a) 0.5% 0.6%
Asian alone, percent definition and source info Asian alone, percent, 2010 (a) 3.5% 1.0%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone, percent definition and source info Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone, percent, 2010 (a) Z 0.0%
Two or More Races, percent definition and source info Two or More Races, percent, 2010 2.7% 1.6%
Hispanic or Latino, percent definition and source info Hispanic or Latino, percent, 2010 (b) 3.0% 1.3%
White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent definition and source info White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent, 2010 83.6% 94.4%

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/23/2360545.html


Whoa hooo! Wake me when "minorities" get to play.

(Just noting the pattern continues.)


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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 09:39 PM

1. I got a question for you.

 

Assume for a moment that either candidate comes to San Diego. By your logic I will have to assume that blacks like neither. If they get 3 percent of a crowd show up, I will be shocked. You know why? AA make 5 percent of the population in the County. I am rounding here, but I think you get the point.

Demographics is dependent on the local population. Care to check Portland's population? The census bureau makes that damn easy.

Now if either comes and they have less than 20 percent Hispanic, then I will concede the point. This has to do with work/ migratory status by the way.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 09:57 PM

11. Type a little slower ...

 

what are you saying?

Demographics is dependent on the local population. Care to check Portland's population? The census bureau makes that damn easy.


That's my point ... did you read my post (i.e., Portland and Maine's demographics)

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #11)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:09 PM

19. You made my point

 

from your post

Black or African American alone, percent definition and source info Black or African American alone, percent, 2010 (a) 7.1% 1.2%

Thanks.

You expect to see more folks that are in the population where the rally is being held.

PS my hypothetical 3 percent would be extremely high and assume a fully engaged population this early in the game. For the record, it matters not who the candidate would be.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #19)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:30 AM

174. I think you misunderstood the OP

 

You appear to be assuming that the numbers in the OP concern the racial composition of the crowd at the Sanders rally. As the link shows, however, the figures are for the general population.

The OP is not arguing that people of color disproportionately chose not to show up at the Sanders rally. You couldn't make that argument without having the data for the racial composition of the crowd, and who would trust such data that purported to be accurate to the tenth of a percent. Rather, as I understand it, the OP's argument is that Sanders chose to hold a rally in a city where the proportion of people of color is below the national average.

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #174)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:11 AM

180. And the OP is wrong in making that argument

 

given the history at hand and how we in this country do primaries.

The OP also claims that PoC do not care about economic justice. He should say, that be correct, that he does not care about it. I speak to members of at least two communities regularly. Economic justice is a big issue. And Sanders has addressed the issue a few times.

And the OP did indeed made my point with his statistics. San Diego would also be under the national average, for African Americans. Of course, I do not expect to see any candidate come to San Diego. It is what it is. Why we covered Ron Paul when he did show up in 2012.

By the way, Sanders was going to go to Charleston, you know why he cancelled and what he told people? There was a mass killing in a church the weekend planned. He thought it would be tacky to hold a rally...given the circumstances. Told people to give money not to his campaign but the AME church. If he had gone you guys would be screaming anyway.

I no longer expect honesty, or policy discussion. And once the antisemitism starts, like racism started with that kid from Chicago, I am gone from DU.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:10 PM

51. That was perfect.

Based on 1SBM's reply, I'm thinking conditioning leads one to disbelieve, the facts.

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Response to malokvale77 (Reply #51)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:19 PM

56. I got no candidate but I look at this fully.

 

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Response to malokvale77 (Reply #51)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:29 PM

62. What does that mean? n/t

 

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 09:39 PM

2. Not this again

 

Bernie is just getting started and he doesn't have a lot of money to fly all over the place or buy expensive advertising.

Tell ya what.... You are free to give advice on how Bernie can reach out and get in touch with minorities. We are all ears. Lay it on us.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:04 PM

16. Yes this again! ...

 

Tell ya what.... You are free to give advice on how Bernie can reach out and get in touch with minorities. We are all ears. Lay it on us.


Why? I've done so, time and time again; you prefer to not listen because Bernie marched with Martin Luther King and was a member of SNCC.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #16)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:10 PM

21. No you and I have not

 

I'm sorry I haven't read your posts about any advice you may have.

That's why I asked you here to open up and express yourself.

If you feel it is not important for you to do so, well, there is that.....

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #21)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:28 PM

31. There is a site search box

the upper right-hand corner. Why should 1SBM have to keep repeating himself?

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Response to brer cat (Reply #31)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:32 PM

35. Only reason not to repeat is...

 

It just isn't that important. I repeat myself all the time. I even learned to copy and paste!! Real easy. Important stuff I'll even put on my journal.

Hey, it's ok, he doesn't have to do a damn thing. Bernie will take care of it eventually and folks all over will be happy as heck to vote for him. Just you watch and see.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #35)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:39 PM

41. Not everyone who repeats themselve all the time

has anything important to say.

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Response to brer cat (Reply #41)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:45 PM

46. Is that why he won't c+p, even. Not even a link?

 

Because he hasn't anything important to say?

That's ok, I get it. And it is ok. Bernie, tho, will be repeating his words from sea-to-shining-sea, and people will love him and vote for him. Just watch and see.

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Response to brer cat (Reply #41)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:15 PM

55. Kinda like you. (nt)

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Response to brer cat (Reply #41)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:18 AM

107. So I see.

 

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Response to brer cat (Reply #31)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:20 AM

167. Because he likes to?

He is repeating himself. Not his first post about white crowds at a Sen. Sanders rally in a predominantly white area like Iowa and NH. I expect to see him complain about not enough white folks when Sen. Sanders is in a city that has a white minority like San Antonio but I won't be holding my breath.

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Response to brer cat (Reply #31)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 02:35 AM

256. He shouldn't.

If only he would stop. The slander and attempts at making Sanders a racist that he keeps repeating are beneath him, or so I thought. I guess I was wrong. I've learned that he doesn't really care about all people either, just what's in it for him. That should probably stop being repeated as well.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:35 PM

208. If budget is the issue, why not campaign in LA instead of Oregon?

He could see a lot more voters, including a lot more minority voters.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 09:42 PM

3. Sorry the surging underdog is not campaigning as you prefer.

 

He's going up against big money, te Clinton machine. He has to be strategic about where he goes and when. He doesn't have the Clinton Cash to run a national primary. Not yet anyway.

By all means, feel free to step up, join and play when you want.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 09:47 PM

4. He don't want to play

he wants to complain is all

Some are just so shallow

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Response to madokie (Reply #4)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:33 PM

64. Yes you are ...

 

and I'm not "complaining" ... rather I'm telling Bernie how to improve his numbers among the mainstream of Black folks ... but you don't want to hear it. So ...

ETA: that would be, "He DOESN'T want to play ... stop affecting stuff that doesn't belong to you!

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #64)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:24 AM

172. Haven't seen a suggestion yet.

All I've seen from you is, "Look at all the white people!".

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #64)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 01:14 AM

254. Geez, you do not have to explain yourself on here!

You made an observation and rightly so. All of Senator Bernie's crowd are lily white, where does that leave people of colour? I know it is early campaign season and he may address the shooting of young blacks for no reason and that the police are out of control. Not to mention the horrible sentences toward people of colour and some get off with a slap on the wrist. It is immoral and unethical.
Please do not leave, your voice of reason is needed here. How else can America change if its leaders are not willing to accept people of colour voicing their opinions and your leaving is not going to help. Just my humble opinion, stay and be heard. Martin Luther King did not quit, they killed him for voicing his opinion. You have to stay and fight, brother!

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Response to madokie (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:58 AM

124. Sweet Jesus-- you are telling actually an African American man "he just wants to complain"?

Because he is trying to express WHY he has reservations? Even though he hasn't declared for any candidate? What do you call that exactly? Is that your "truth"?

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #124)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:16 AM

138. Do you know what the demographics of Maine is?

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1.7% are Blacks. 95.2% are white. So are you going to tell me there isn't 1.7% of the people there at that rally that aren't black?
My truth is whatever you want to make it out to be facts be damned

ETA: the percentages of Blacks in Maine is 1.4% not 1.7% as I stated. mybad

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Response to madokie (Reply #138)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:54 AM

161. And many of them are not voters....or citizens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Somalis_in_Maine
As of 2013, there were around 10,000 Somalis in Lewiston and Portland.


I'll bet there weren't a lot of Somalis at that rally.


Maine is a real white state. You can see a little flavor if you visit near a Native American enclave, or a college campus, but in most places, if you aren't white--if you're even dusky--you stick out.

People are real nice, though. But they are white.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #124)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:46 PM

228. It is amazing to watch and it happens EVERY GOD DAMN time a Black person brings it up

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Response to madokie (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:32 AM

152. this is disappointing

...you express such confidence in your candidate, but can't countenance complaints; especially ones which you know well haven't been given a respectful airing or response by Sanders supporters here?

The op mentions some salient facts about the demographics of Maine which aren't representative of most of the nation. It's an interesting and compelling photo of an impressive crowd, but it's in an inconsequential state; inconsequential to the diversity of support a candidate needs to wage a successful national election. That's what I got from the op.

What I get from the responses is that the minority community's support down the road, when the campaign actually reaches more diverse areas of the country, is to taken for granted once Bernie makes his irresistible appeal. I'm as skeptical of that prospect as the op.

Btw, what is more shallow than cheerleading a politician with platitudes and political pablum? I happen to think you can do better than that.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 09:52 PM

7. Excellent point - Bernie should be all things to all people and right away, too!

No time to dither. Get with it Bernie!

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Response to Peregrine Took (Reply #7)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:37 PM

70. LOL ...

 

re-read that stuff and apply it to the last 7+ years! LOL.

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Response to Peregrine Took (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:52 AM

160. Seems to be that's what all of Bernie's supporters want of HRC. Just saying what's good for the

gander is good for the goose.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:10 PM

20. Is it asking too much that Bernie hear what the mainstream of PoC are saying ...

 

and address social justice (without it being a component of economic justice), for more than one minute, 30 seconds of a hour long speech? I mean ... he has already paid for the stage.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #20)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:23 PM

26. Then the location is irrelevant, if that is your complaint.

 

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Response to morningfog (Reply #26)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:14 PM

53. Yep, the location would be irrelevant; but for the reception his message receives...

 

in racially homogenous (read: white), liberal venues.

But you know what? I don't blame him ... I do strategic planning/communication planning for a living. I understand why he stays in white liberal areas and avoids talking directly to "Minorities" ... his entire future rests in AVOIDING talking directly to Black folks. As long as he does, he doesn't risk alienating his target audience (i.e., white liberals that value economic justice over social justice ... or think the two are the same thing) ... white liberals ... and he can continue pretending that his low numbers among "minorities" is because "they" don't know who he is, not because Black folks heard him a said, MEH.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #53)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:37 PM

68. Now that is just unfounded absurdity.

 

Totally asinine. His future rests on avoiding talking to minorities? Bull fucking shit.

His white liberal base would feel alienated if he did? Straight out of your ass.

You can't be taken seriously with that garbage.

Be mad he hasn't campaigned in diverse districts. Bemoan that he addresses social justice through economic justice means. But don't make stupid shit up.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #68)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:46 PM

76. Thank you for proving the "Why Bernie is missing Black folks" point ...

 

If it's not what I proposal, than why does he, in the face of (the mainstream of Black concern) give one minute and 3o seconds to Black concerns?

Whatever you do for a living ... keep doing it because a career in strategic planning/messaging would have you starving.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #76)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:49 PM

80. Run yourself silly with this. We'll see what happens

 

when he turns his campaign to SC. Hope you get to play then.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #53)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:03 AM

91. Then explain why he was scheduled to speak in Charleston?

And chose to postpone it rather than capitalize on a tragedy? And why he spoke to Latino convention in Nevada?

He cancelled his Charleston appearance out of respect for the community. And directed his supporters, via email, to postpone donating to his campaign and rather donate to the AME church.

That is quiet leadership.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #91)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:42 AM

157. Excellent point, to which the OP has no response.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #53)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:36 AM

190. You may be right about Bernie - but

(I know, the ever-present "but" - I hope though, that this is not that)

You may well be right about Bernie's world-view, I think, and its limitations when it comes to racism. And even if you are not, it is a fair and more than that, essential question.

I have to wonder if he is blind to institutional, structural racism. And while I might doubt that he is reasoning as you describe above, I would bet his advisors are. I think THEY know that the response of white "Liberals" would be exactly what you see around this site.

However, H. Clinton (I will refrain from the names I usually call her out of courtesy in this one case, at least) will talk a pretty game about race, or if you prefer "social justice" but use it as a smokescreen for making sure that the 1% is not in the least inconvenienced, much less threatened by the kind of wealth redistribution that we so desperately need. I am guessing that her advisors are very conscious of the potential to distinguish herself from Bernie. Nor do I see any reason at all to believe that anything she says on the campaign trail will translate into action in office.

And while economic justice ALONE is not the answer, without it there will also be no "social justice" either.

So I'll stick with Bernie. Economic justice will at least make real progress toward real "social justice" possible. While people ground down by the 1%, feeling desperate and abused, will be ripe for the haters, for looking for scapegoats, for trying to scrabble their way one rung up by trampling others down. Just what we have now, pretty much.

Racism is not all about economic injustice, but our Corporate Masters have used racism as an effective tool of manipulation in their favor. Take away that tool and we have a better chance at dealing with some real issues.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #20)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:33 PM

65. Who appointed cranky old you as "the mainstream of PoC"?

 

Or do you have some data points you'd like to share about black people complaining about Sanders's speech content?

As for PoC, si podemos vencer con Bernie!

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #65)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:51 PM

84. Okay ... LOL ...

 

You get to speak for all white folks AND PoC ... I get to speak for only myself ... regardless of what the numbers say. LOL.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #84)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:43 PM

226. I never claim to speak for anybody but myself.

 

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #84)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:52 PM

243. When I saw screen shots of Bernie's rally, my first reaction other than being WOWED by the numbers

was where are the minorities.

I ask this question for a unique reason (seems unique around here anyway), you see I am a SUPPORTER of his and I know for a fact that the minority community is sorely needed to win the election, so I ask because I want Bernie to do better with them.

And I know he can very easily, because it comes natural to him, he has a great history of supporting the minorities of this country and all he needs to do is remind us of that, remind you.

But until he does, I can certainly understand your concern.

Completely

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #20)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:34 PM

247. straight out of the mouth of the priv. It's Just as much a CLASS analysis as it is Race analysis it

 

It's Just as much a CLASS analysis as it is Race analysis but you LOVE to deny it. You're so invested in your own economic sense of privilege you refuse to accept any connection whatsoever. That's a personal problem which will continue to confuse and befuddle you until such time as you recognize the connection.


Yes, we've had this conversation before long before Bernie entered the race.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 09:49 PM

5. "Get to play"

 

"Wake me when 'minorities' get to play."

What does that even mean?

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Response to MoveIt (Reply #5)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 09:53 PM

8. It means what you think it means ...

 

If you've been paying the least bit of attention.

Bernie is "surging" among the population that his platform already appeals to ... liberal, upper-middle class, educated white folks.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #8)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 09:54 PM

9. Minorities

 

They get to play. Are you saying they don't?

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #8)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 09:59 PM

12. He surging everywhere he goes.

 

And he will surge in more diverse states when he turns his campaign there.

If he hadn't closed the gap in Iowa and NH, his campaign would be over. He had to start there because, psst, those are the first primaries.

He's building a narrative and a campaign.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #8)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:06 PM

18. "get to play" was ambiguous and still is.

 

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #8)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:38 AM

153. Exactly the same demographic that surged initially for Obama

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Response to shaayecanaan (Reply #153)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:38 PM

225. LOL

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 09:50 PM

6. ...was 9,000 people by most estimates. You go, Bernie!

I don't care what color the crowd was.

9,000 of them came out to support this man.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #6)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 09:56 PM

10. The OPs complaint seems to be geographical.

 

He's upset that Bernie spoke in Maine before a more diverse state, I guess.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #10)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:01 PM

14. Exactly right.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #10)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:02 PM

15. How about Bernie speaks to anyone that comes to see him?

No one is preventing anyone from showing up to hear him.

This is just so goddamn stupid.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:07 AM

164. +10,000

 

Well said.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #10)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:06 PM

17. The implication is that Sanders is deliberately avoiding non-white voters and crowds

 

Hence the word "pattern".

It's absurd.

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #17)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:53 PM

85. Yes absurd ...

 

but true.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #85)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:01 AM

132. So you are implying he is a racist?

 

That says a lot more about YOU than it does Sanders.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #85)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:58 AM

185. Does that mean the whole state is racist, or he's just racist for going there?

 

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 09:59 PM

13. Those numbers are for the population of Portland,

not the attendance at Sander's rally.

Of course, it's reasonable to assume, absent an actual tally, that the makeup of the crowd was similar to the makeup of the city.

Where would you like to see him show up?

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Response to LWolf (Reply #13)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:18 PM

24. I would love if he were to veer out of white liberal havens, for a weekend ...

 

"How ya'll doing?" in someplace with a better than 30% "minority" population. Though I can understand why he, strategically wouldn't, it could be campaign narrative ending, 2 weeks after the event.

But absent my wishes, I would settle for Bernie hearing what the mainstream of PoC are saying ... and address social justice (without it being a component of economic justice), for more than one minute, 30 seconds of a hour long speech? I mean ... he has already paid for the stage.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #24)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:25 PM

28. Social Justice?

 

I am not quite clear what Bernie could say to make you feel he was properly addressing this issue. I guess he could copy Hillary? How does Hillary address the issue?

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #28)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:22 PM

58. See ... I tell you ... You ignore and ask a obtuse question ...

 

pretending to have listened in the first place.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #58)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:36 PM

66. What do you think of Michelle Alexander.

 

There is a reason i am asking.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #66)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:54 PM

86. Who is Michelle Alexander? n/t

 

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #86)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:02 AM

90. Best way is for her to speak for herself.

 

(As well as incidentally many activists in Baltimore)

https://m.

For the record, I have had similar conversations. Perhaps it is time to do this for my town, a series of interviews.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #90)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:04 AM

133. Thank you for linking that video. It was very moving.

Laura Flanders drew Michelle Alexander out in depth.
There was clearly a shared purpose, to explain a problem and get together to do something.

To my mind Michelle Alexander's outlook dovetails - no doubt with rough edges but people long ago invented sandpaper - with that of Bernie Sanders. Alexander explains in graphic detail why social justice can't be divorced from economic justice, and why the movement toward social economic justice is universal. Her first focus is on racial injustices in the USA, but her arguments and examples mirror problems esp. w.r.t. First Nations peoples in Canada.

I'm glad I listened to the whole interview. I had been in anguish about 1SBM's posts in these threads, knowing that I couldn't respond. Michelle Alexander gave a perfect response. My response to her is affirmative - yes, I'm also here to build a movement based on universal respect for persons.

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Response to delrem (Reply #133)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:02 AM

179. And I speak with folks of at least two different

 

communities of color regularly. When ISBM says that people do not care about economic justice or the message that Sanders is speaking I have these voices running in my head. They do not agree with him. Not one bit. The intersection of social and economic justice is very clear. Of course many here tell me it's just my city. Not quite, folks in Baltimore and Ferguson are speaking the same way. Economic justice is a huge part of the equation.

We have quite simply the beginnings of a second civil rights movement emerging and it is far from what he at times describes. I know, we listen. And as an immigrant from Mexico, while melanin challenged, I also am part of he PoC community.

Alexander is one of the most powerful voices to emerge in recent years. He should sit down and read her powerful, and yes at times moving, at times will piss you off, book.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #90)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 04:28 PM

259. Thanks for the post. Since Michelle Alexander's major work came out in 2010, "The New Jim Crow:

Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness" the book has enlightened Americans and the world, about the huge rise in private, for profit prisons in the US and our enormous incarceration rates especially among black and brown people in the last 20+ years. Michelle was interviewed on many news and academic outlets and her work received wide acclaim.

What her study revealed is new, shocking and disgraceful. Another American system that needs much awareness and reform- and they are mounting- the privatized giant media conglomerates that now control 90% of what we see, hear and read; the dangerous, larger than ever consolidated big banks; the out of control military budget and involvement in foreign conflicts and more!

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #24)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:55 PM

87. He cancelled his Charleston S.C. rally in order not to politicize the tragedy. He also directed his

supporters to, instead of donating to him immediately following the massacre, to donate to the church and not his campaign.

https://go.berniesanders.com/page/event/detail/townmeeting/jjq

"The healing of the Charleston community has to be the only priority in this time of mourning."

So, he was ready to go someplace where a better than 30% minority population. Not only was he ready but in the lead up, his team had to book a larger venue to accommodate. Thus, of why, "strategically", he wouldn't is thrown out the window.

He also spoke at the Latino convention in Las Vegas. Certainly that was someplace with a better than 30% "minority" population.








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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #24)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:15 AM

181. I'm sure he will.

I can't find a schedule of where he's going to be this summer, or I'd look for it.

I think he is, for the purposes of his campaign, focused on economic justice. I've heard him include social justice, but it's always connected, and that's okay with me. It's a starting place. I'm okay with it because of his long record championing issues of social justice.

I hope you hear what you are waiting for this summer.

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Response to LWolf (Reply #13)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:37 PM

209. How about Detroit? LA? Chicago?

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #209)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:41 PM

239. I'm sure he'll be there.

Has Hillary been there? I haven't really paid attention to her stops along the trail, since I'm not on the same trail she is.

I'm sure that, as the campaign progresses, Sanders will make it to those places.

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Response to LWolf (Reply #239)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:44 PM

240. I have no idea where she's been. But her poll numbers with minority voters are very strong.

He needs to show he can do well with those voters, too.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #240)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:52 PM

242. Yes.

I think he'll do well with minority voters when the time comes. I think, too, that as the campaign spreads, we'll see it happening.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:13 PM

22. They can't leave it alone,

On Mon Jul 6, 2015, 09:43 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Bernie's crowd in Portland, ME ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251428686

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Race bait, flame bait, copy cat thread. It's divisive, unfounded and race trolling. The demographic make up of a state has jack shit to do with minorities "getting to play." This is offensive and over the top.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:07 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
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Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: what is with Democrats and the use of race in crowds? Democrats turning out to hear any liberal or Democrat in big numbers is good for the Democratic Party. Enough with the color of the crowd.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Ah. The alert police state waisting our time again.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Give it a rest alerters.. boo hoo. The Black Community has a voice on DU, too.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is the alert "It's divisive, unfounded and race trolling. The demographic make up of a state has jack shit to do with minorities "getting to play." This is offensive and over the top." You want to know what is over the top? Telling POC they have no place at the table. You tried this in the African American Group the other night. You are trying to shut them down. A PoC is asking questions about Bernie, questions for what Bernie would do for him and his family. He never got an answer he got swarmed. He was called a fake black man accused of being a Lee Atwater type. He was told he was race baiting. Here we go again 1StrongBlackMan brings up concerns and he is slapped down and told to shut up by the Bernies here. Not a pretty picture of the candidate or his supporters. I am beyond disgust. LEAVE IT!
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: He should have gone a head and gone to South Carolina after 9 blacks were murdered?

Bernie-mentum precedes Clinton’s visit to South Carolina: http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/bernie-mentum-precedes-clintons-visit-south-carolina

An Outraged And Disgusted Bernie Sanders Urges His Supporters To Donate To Emanuel AME Church: http://www.politicususa.com/2015/06/18/outraged-disgusted-bernie-sanders-urges-supporters-donate-emanuel-ame-church.html

Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders has canceled his scheduled campaign event in Charleston, SC this weekend and is urging his supporters to donate to the Emanuel AME Church.

https://www.facebook.com/BernieSandersSC

So none of the topics he hits on such as helping unemployed black youths get an education an job appeals to blacks? Raising the minimum wage? Equal pay for women isn't race based,..........

HIDE

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #22)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:26 PM

29. To Juror #9 ...

 

Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: He should have gone a head and gone to South Carolina after 9 blacks were murdered?


Are you kidding? Absolutely, he should have gone to SC after 9 blacks were murdered (by a white guy) and talked to Black folks about social justice (sans the "economic justice will bring social justice" message) and he would have gained Black folks attention ... far more than by DU doing their "he marched with MLK" refrain.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #29)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:39 PM

40. They are clueless and remain so.

Good to see you.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #29)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:22 AM

169. +1

 

It's almost as if it would have been uncomfortable for them to go, so they didn't, and then attempt to shift the optics. When would there be a better time to go?

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #29)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:23 AM

170. I disagree about the response to Charleston

 

If Sanders had gone ahead with his scheduled campaign rally in Charleston, immediately after the atrocity, and had used the occasion to try to gain black folks' attention... he would have been pilloried for attempting to exploit the situation for political gain. There would have been considerable justification for attacking him if he had gone.

Even if you think going ahead with the rally would have been the right thing to do, you should recognize that a lot of people would disagree with you. In fact, the media coverage of his statements about social justice would have been overwhelmed by the media coverage of the criticisms of him for politicizing the situation.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #29)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:17 AM

182. Nope...politicking this

 

would have been called insensitive and a few other things. You would be leading that parade.

By the way your view that social and economic justice is your view. I have yet to here that from local leaders of two communities of color. My suggestion, stop speaking for all.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:17 PM

23. Jury Results, 1StrongBlackMan..

Bernie's crowd in Portland, ME ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251428686

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Race bait, flame bait, copy cat thread. It's divisive, unfounded and race trolling. The demographic make up of a state has jack shit to do with minorities "getting to play." This is offensive and over the top.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:07 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: what is with Democrats and the use of race in crowds? Democrats turning out to hear any liberal or Democrat in big numbers is good for the Democratic Party. Enough with the color of the crowd.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Ah. The alert police state waisting our time again.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Give it a rest alerters.. boo hoo. The Black Community has a voice on DU, too.

Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is the alert "It's divisive, unfounded and race trolling. The demographic make up of a state has jack shit to do with minorities "getting to play." This is offensive and over the top." You want to know what is over the top? Telling POC they have no place at the table. You tried this in the African American Group the other night. You are trying to shut them down. A PoC is asking questions about Bernie, questions for what Bernie would do for him and his family. He never got an answer he got swarmed. He was called a fake black man accused of being a Lee Atwater type. He was told he was race baiting. Here we go again 1StrongBlackMan brings up concerns and he is slapped down and told to shut up by the Bernies here. Not a pretty picture of the candidate or his supporters. I am beyond disgust. LEAVE IT!
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: He should have gone a head and gone to South Carolina after 9 blacks were murdered?

Bernie-mentum precedes Clinton’s visit to South Carolina: http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/bernie-mentum-precedes-clintons-visit-south-carolina

An Outraged And Disgusted Bernie Sanders Urges His Supporters To Donate To Emanuel AME Church: http://www.politicususa.com/2015/06/18/outraged-disgusted-bernie-sanders-urges-supporters-donate-emanuel-ame-church.html

Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders has canceled his scheduled campaign event in Charleston, SC this weekend and is urging his supporters to donate to the Emanuel AME Church.

https://www.facebook.com/BernieSandersSC

So none of the topics he hits on such as helping unemployed black youths get an education an job appeals to blacks? Raising the minimum wage? Equal pay for women isn't race based,..........

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Response to Cha (Reply #23)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:30 PM

34. Youn were on it too.

My post is above yours.



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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #34)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:35 PM

38. Yes, I was and proud to be there.

Like I'm sure you were also proud to serve.

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Response to Cha (Reply #23)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:39 PM

39. Are you kidding me, someone alerted this thread?

WOW just freaking WOW.

They sure want to keep other voices out huh.

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #39)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:44 PM

45. Of course they did.. they can't handle 1StrongBlackMan's voice on DU.

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #39)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:25 PM

59. Nailed it.

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #39)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:36 PM

67. Yup.

I guess if we ignore the problem, it isn't there.

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Response to Cha (Reply #23)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:23 AM

171. They want us silenced here. No doubt in my mind. nt.

 

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #171)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:25 AM

173. Of course.. they're all about freedom of speech until it comes to censoring

voices like 1StrongBlackMan's on DU.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:19 PM

25. Race statistics for Hillary's home town

 

Total population 100.0%

One race 96.9%
White 81.7%
Black or African American 1.9%
American Indian and Alaska Native 0.0%
Asian 12.5%
Two or More Races 3.1%

http://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=CF

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #25)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:29 PM

33. And yet, she talks about social justice ... disconnected to economic justice ...

 

in a way the mainstream of PoC hear. Imagine that!

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #33)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:11 PM

52. You have a link to her talks?

 

That sure would be swell to read.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #60)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:31 PM

63. Thanks!!

 

I was kinda looking for something right off her website. You do know how the press distorts her words. But this will work. I'll be using it to compare to Bernie's stances, as I am sure you already have?

Here's what Bernie has to say:

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Response to Post removed (Reply #78)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:58 PM

89. I detect a bit of disrespect?

 

If you don't think that what Bernie stands for is good for the working man in social and economic avenues, then it may be your head that need be raised?

I think I get now why you are having such a hard time on DU. Oh well.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #63)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:09 PM

235. That doesn't mention race at all

No where.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #235)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:15 PM

236. Like Hillary says

 

And I quote
"All lives matter"

I like that our Democratic candidates do not go for the divisive plays using race or sex just to get a leg up.

Everyone needs a job, and education, and good health care. EVERYONE.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #236)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:58 PM

244. Sure, but everyone's life is not the same

All lives are not equal in America. You simply provided evidence for the OP's point. As long as Sanders doesn't address Democratic constituencies, he won't be able to win the Democratic electorate. You all seem to be fine with that.

I'm starting to think some here wouldn't find him nearly so attractive if he did explicitly address the concerns of the majority of Americans. He speaks to the unsignfied minority who likes to imagine they are so important they represent everyone, but of course they don't. Everyone is not white, male, straight, and middle or upper-middle class. In fact, most aren't. The more I see from responses to these sorts of OPs, the more I realize how willfully exclusionary this entire discourse is. I find it unsettling that people (not addressing you specifically but the general tenor of responses) feel Sanders empowers them to deny the voices and interests of key segments of the population. Something unsettling has been unleashed by this campaign.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #236)

Fri Jul 10, 2015, 12:43 AM

269. Nope, not forgetting that women and POC deserve a level playing field. I understand why its not a

 

priority for you though. I get it.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #52)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:37 PM

71. New thing called "Google"


BeFree to try it!

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #25)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:21 AM

168. Hillary's real home town (Park Ridge, IL, not Chappaqua) has not dissimilar stats BUT...

...BUT it borders Chicago and some much more diverse suburbs.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:23 PM

27. He went to Oregon? Why?

Fundraising? It's not an early voting state or a swing state.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #27)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:28 PM

30. Maine

 

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #30)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:29 PM

32. Sorry, my mistake, but same question

Why?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #32)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:33 PM

36. Part of some kind of a strategy

 

He's done big rallies in Minneapolis, Las Vegas, Denver, Madison, Portland Maine.

I think it's like a show of strength, and a gauge of strength. Places where he probably has a lot of supporters. The big crowds are making it hard for the media to ignore him. So there's a media strategy too probably.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #36)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:34 PM

37. Must be for fundraising purposes

cities with progressive populations most likely to donate to his campaign.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #37)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:41 PM

42. Maybe.

 

Possibly fishing for some official union support too, which is also potential fundraising.

Minneapolis, Las Vegas and Madison have some of the strongest union presence.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #36)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:04 AM

92. I agree. It is a part of some kind of strategy ...

 

speak where you are likely to have big audiences and talking what that audience wants to hear ... avoid speaking in less receptive places (read: places with higher "minority" populations) and avoid saying what that audience doesn't particularly care about (read: social justice, untethered to economic justice).

That IS a great strategy.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #92)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:06 AM

93. So what's your opinion of Bernie Sanders?

 


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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #93)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:14 AM

98. He likes Sanders' passion.

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Response to frylock (Reply #98)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:16 AM

103. That's cool.

 

A Bernie Sanders concert is probably a lot like a Neil Young concert but with less weed.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #103)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:21 AM

110. I'd go see Neil open for Bernie..

wouldn't surprise me at all to see something like that happen.

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Response to frylock (Reply #110)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:25 AM

115. You know where Bernie Sanders should go

 

http://www.farmaid.org/concert/lineup/

Just maybe have an event conveniently next door to this or something

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #115)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:32 AM

136. Yes, that would be a good event for Bernie.

"Stay tuned to see who will be joining Farm Aid board artists Willie Nelson, Neil Young, John Mellencamp and Dave Matthews on the stage."

It'd be challenging, that's for sure!

Not to be disrespectful of the idea, but the only way I'd like to see Bernie do things like that is with sufficient coaching by Neil and the rest, who know a lot more about how to put on a concert while still keeping it real.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #92)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:27 AM

150. What makes blacks particularly "less receptive" to Bernie's message?

You keep swinging that axe, but I haven't really heard why you feel his message will fall on deaf ears in minority communities?

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #150)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:13 PM

205. ..

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #32)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:52 AM

159. Portland media market overlaps W/southern New Hampshire.

Sanders, like most candidates, is angling for a top finish in New Hampshire, site of the nation’s first primary. The Portland media market overlaps with much of southern New Hampshire, and the additional supporters, donors and new coverage that can be gained by a quick detour to Maine’s largest city — just a couple hours from the New Hampshire border — make the brief detour worthwhile for upstart candidates like Sanders.




http://stateandcapitol.bangordailynews.com/2015/07/06/thousands-expected-for-bernie-sanders-in-portland-tonight/

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #27)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:56 PM

50. Portland Maine, next to NH and Vermont....

 

nt

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:42 PM

43. Has Sanders had a major event in South Carolina yet?

What about Nevada, NY, California, Florida, Michigan?

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:43 PM

44. It depresses me that you are posting this about Bernie,

 

indicating that somehow "minorities" don't "get to play".


I don't think that someone with a record as consistent as Bernie's
over decades deserves to have his campaign described in negative terms concerning "minorities".

He has to go where he can draw large crowds and where he can raise money. His is a shoestring campaign compared to the Hillary juggernaut.

He does not have Hillary's advantage in terms of raising record funds from Wall Street and the ultra wealthy.















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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #44)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:38 PM

72. The entire premise is bullshit.

 

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #44)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:06 AM

94. I'm so sorry; but, I don't particularly care ...

 

we have different interests.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #94)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:30 AM

151. Define those interests.

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Response to virtualobserver (Reply #44)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:08 AM

165. One of the saddest ironies.

Dylan Roof was inspired by a website supported by Mike Huckabee. A politician elected with the assistance of corporations like WalMart and Aetna.

When one increases the wealth of the 1%, one increases the violence against the least represented, and not just here at home but all over the world.

It has to stop.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:46 PM

47. Not Good Enough, Bernie! Part 27?

 

Not Good Enough, Bernie

Why can't "Democrats" see that Bernie is bad news for PoC? I think we know the real reason.

Regards,

TWM

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #47)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:10 AM

95. Spin the straw man, manny ...

 

I don't think Bernie is "bad news for PoC" ... I do think PoC are are after-thought for Bernie ... and definitely, for Bernie supporters here on DU.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #95)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:23 AM

141. Not Good Enough, Bernie Supporters! nt

 

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:47 PM

48. What do you mean "minorities"?

What's with the quotes?

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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #48)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:11 AM

96. I refuse to term myself a "minority", i.e., powerless victim. n/t

 

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #96)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:16 AM

104. well we weren't talking about you were we?

it's all the other "minorities" that you're referring to.
you speaking for them as well?
Oh and I've seen a number of eastern liberal elite women (like Joan Walsh) echoing your same concerns. What "minorities" are they speaking for?

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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #104)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:24 AM

112. No ... I am speaking for myself, One strong Black man ...

 

and my concern happens to track with that of the mainstream of the Black electorate ... regardless of what Bernie supporters, i.e., a minority of white liberals, over represented on DU, have convinced themselves of.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #112)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:25 AM

114. Yes you're speaking for yourself

And that's where your post should have ended.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 10:47 PM

49. Oh FFS

 

wake me when the primary schedule is changed and billions aren't required to play.

He started in Iowa and New Hampshire. It was logical given his campaign budget to go to neighboring Maine.

He was in Nevada and was welcomed by Latino's despite the protestations here.

He will be in South Carolina and will be welcomed by the black population there.

There is only a pattern in your own mind. Besides what do you really care? You have your money. You only want social justice. Many of us POC still want and need both economic and social justice.

Wake us when you care about both.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #49)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:13 AM

97. Oh FFS ...

 

1 minute 30 second may be good enough for you ... But not me.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #97)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:33 AM

119. So you don't deny that

 

you really only care about social justice and not both.

Thanks for that.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #119)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:15 AM

134. The Third Way® don't want to talk about economics

 

So they use social issues as a smoke screen. This has been going on for quite a while now.

This OP is, however, the only one on DU overtly implying that Bernie is racist. This OP is definitely a new low for Hillary supporters. The fact that we are seeing smears this overt, this early in the campaign tells us that her supporters are already in a panic.

Bernie is gaining 2% -3% per week on Hillary in key states. Many Hillary supporters are shifting their loyalty to Bernie, but no Sanders supporters are switching theirs to Hillary. That speaks volumes IMHO.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #97)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:42 AM

143. Well how about this?

 

The Nation: A criticism directed toward you early in the campaign was that you were very focused on economics, but not sufficiently focused on critical issues such as police brutality and mass incarceration. Isn’t this something you have to address?


Sanders: Clearly, police brutality and what goes on in African-American communities and other communities is a huge issue…. The question is: How do you have police departments in this country that are part of their communities, not oppressors in their communities? How do you have police officers who, when they commit acts of crime, are held accountable and are indicted? How do you have police officers receiving the proper training that they need? How do we demilitarize our police departments? All of these are important issues. The good news is that, as a country, we are paying far more attention to this issue than we previously did. If anyone thinks that the kind of police brutality that we’re seeing now is something new, they are sorely mistaken. The good news, in a sense, is that it’s now becoming public and we’re seeing it and talking about it.

There has to be, I think, a significant change in police culture in terms of . That is a major issue that has to be dealt with. And we will deal with it, period.

The other thing, to be frank, that does trouble me is that there is so little discussion about African-American youth unemployment. How do you discuss Ferguson and not know that, in that particular community, unemployment is off the charts? How do you discuss Baltimore and not know that, in that particular community, unemployment is off the charts? African-American youth unemployment in this country is 50 percent, and one out of three African-American males born today stands the possibility of ending up in jail if present trends continue. This is a disaster. So, of course, we’ve got to talk about police brutality; of course, we’ve got to talk about reforming our criminal-justice system; of course, we’ve got to make sure that we are educating our kids and giving them job training and not sending them to jail. But I get a little distressed that people are not talking about what I consider to be a huge problem: How do you not talk about African-American youth unemployment at 50 percent?

The Nation: That focus on employment goes back to the historic message of the civil-rights movement. Civil-rights organizing was one of the ways into political activism for you, wasn’t it?


Sanders: Civil rights was a very important part of it. I was very active in the Congress of Racial Equality at the University of Chicago. I got arrested in trying to desegregate Chicago’s school system. I was very active in demanding that the University of Chicago not run segregated housing, which it was doing at that time. We were active in working with our brothers and sisters in SNCC … at that point helping them with some very modest financial help. So, yes, I was active. And I do not separate the civil-rights issue from the fact that 50 percent of African-American young people are either unemployed or underemployed. Remember the March on Washington—what was it about? “Jobs and Freedom.” The issue that Dr. King raised all the time was: This is great if we want to desegregate restaurants or hotels, but what does it matter if people can’t afford to go to them? That’s still the issue today.


http://www.thenation.com/article/bernie-sanders-speaks/

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Response to TM99 (Reply #49)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 03:45 PM

233. This is exactly it.

Based on his posts, he got his and he doesn't care if others don't get theirs, he just wants to complete getting his.

Sounds familiar, and a far cry from liberal.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:14 PM

54. I guess when you only have one card in your hand, you have no choice but to keep tossing it out.

There is no message here because I said it all in the subject line.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #54)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:21 PM

57. Creative way to work in

the RW "race card" nonsense without having to say "race card."

Another proud DU moment.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #57)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:29 PM

61. You have a great imagination. nt

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #61)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:37 PM

69. No, I have great common sense.

But just for the sake of argument, what "one card" were you referring to in your post?

Toss it on out there...


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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #69)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:42 PM

75. You can see my post below, but if you have great common sense, it is pretty obvious.

Did you read the OP? Do you understand what the OP is implying?

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #75)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:55 PM

88. It's pretty obvious, alright.

I read the OP and your subsequent responses.

None of that changes the fact that you danced around the RW "race card" nonsense.

Dismissive attitude, noted.


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Response to Post removed (Reply #106)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:20 AM

109. Nope, I didn't say anything but the truth. nt

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #109)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:23 AM

111. Going for an encore?

Mega dittos all around.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #111)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:24 AM

113. If I am so wrong, so terrible, refute what I said. Don't attack me personally.

It should be easy, right?

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #113)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:32 AM

118. Honestly

Anyone who goes around dropping the term "race card" isn't interested in discussion.

I called you on what you said, you claimed I had a great imagination.

So are you doubling down or fessing up at this point? I've lost track...

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #118)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:35 AM

122. That's what I thought. You actually can't refute

The fact that intimating that Sanders is a racist is not only using the race card but using it in a truly deceitful and immoral way.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #57)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:16 AM

102. I know, huh ...

 

My allies!

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #102)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:36 AM

123. .

smh



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Response to Bonobo (Reply #54)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:38 PM

73. What card would that be?

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Response to zappaman (Reply #73)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:40 PM

74. The meme that Sanders is only appealing to white voters as a campaign tactic. nt

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #74)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:49 PM

79. Nice dodge.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #79)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:51 PM

83. Nice try!

Hey, I know you're a big Zappa fan. Here's a good one for you.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #83)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 03:56 AM

137. oh hey you fessed up!

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Response to 1000words (Reply #77)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 11:49 PM

81. Sherrif John Brown always hated Bernie. nt

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #54)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:14 AM

99. Perhaps, you would feel better if I didn't vote/advocate "based on my race", huh?

 

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #99)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:16 AM

105. Vote however you like.

But when you play the race card, you will be called on it.

Sanders has done nothing to offend you.

You are accusing, hinting around calling him a racist BASED ON NOTHING.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #105)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:30 AM

130. Jury results.

On Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:20 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Vote however you like.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=429041

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Yet ANOTHER post from this individual accusing a black DUer of "playing the race card." Tired of efforts by a large number of posters to silence the few remaining minority posters on this board. This is disruptive, counterproductive and just plain horrible to see on a Democratic board.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:27 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Attacking a candidate who lives in one of the least diverse regions of the country for having a crowd there that is mostly white is offensive to those who live in the region.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Obvious alert swarming on the poster. Tired of efforts by a small number of posters to silence bonobo on this board.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I tend to agree with the reason for the alert, some folks have said some awful/unfair things on DU. But, I don't like hiding posts.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: this is over the line.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #99)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:26 AM

116. Who cares.

 

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Response to 840high (Reply #116)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:30 AM

117. Exactly, vote however he wants. But if he wants to keep intimating that Sanders is a racist,

he shouldn't expect that he won't be called on it.

And no, being a black guy doesn't excuse him from throwing racist accusations at a man who has supported racial equality probably longer than he has been alive.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #117)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:34 AM

120. So true. That's why this

 

OP annoyed me. Thanks.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #99)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 03:48 PM

234. It would be nice if you would advocate for everyone's interests and not just your own.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #54)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:00 AM

125. Are you accusing an African American of playing the "race card'?

Or was that just an unfortunate turn of phrase? If so, I think you should apologize.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #125)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:57 PM

248. African Americans never play the "race card"?

You are grossly mistaken.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #54)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:20 AM

140. You mean the "come out and say it" card, you're missing that out of your deck you know that right?

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:15 AM

100. The progressive left is overwhelmingly white...

and not that numerous, but very engaged and active, from what I have seen. That could make it tough for Bernie to reach out to minority voters, as he's pretty darn progressive. That's his starting base.

It's not really his fault though, or anyone's, just a matter of history, geography and segregation to some degree, and it's pretty devastating to me to see a candidate that I think will be by far the best candidate for everyone, minorities included, be attacked for optics that are really in no one's control.

Heck, to see other candidates supported on here with much worse track records, even with track records of blatant race baiting, being supported because of optics, because of the willingness to put on an act and genuflect to every constituency, that has always made me despair at our democracy, and it seems to be your primary concern, counting the white faces, wondering when Sanders will get the right optics, and missing everything substantive, IMHO.

If this is your big concern, I don't really care, because it's a shitty concern. If you're waiting for the magic words and act to "get to play", you'll have plenty of candidates to choose from. Hell, I'm sure Bernie will try his best as well, as much as he can while trying to keep a modicum of integrity hopefully. But honesty doesn't suit optics very well in politics.

If it really is the concern of lots of voters too, and we have lots of evidence out there to suggest it is, whatever color, hue, orientation, etc., very few people vote in the primaries and very few people vote on policy, they want candidates they can identify with, etc., then we are well and truly fucked anyways. Because optics can easily be manipulated, we've seen it before, and we'll see it this election. Policies won't matter much, optics will.

It's strange to me, to see this on here, to see something that has been a cancer on our democracy and so brazenly used by the right to divide and conquer, to see identity politics so cherished and defended on this site. Just... Fuck. Your post is shameful.

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Response to MellowDem (Reply #100)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:20 AM

108. Okay. ...

 

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #108)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:35 AM

121. Okay. ...



This is fun! I do like smilies.

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Response to MellowDem (Reply #121)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:03 AM

126. Is there no room for the concerns of Black people?

Is that what you find so hilarious?

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Response to 1000words (Reply #127)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:08 AM

128. Oh don't worry about me darlin.

I'm just fine. I'm as subtle as I want to be.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #126)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:29 AM

129. Jesus...

Can people seriously be this disingenuous?

I reply to snark with snark.

This is one black person, are you saying all black people are the same? Is your clown face avatar mocking them? Strawmen are easy to build.

The OP is shameful in their concern for optics IMHO, much less equating optics with how much a candidate cares. The fact that Maine is overwhelmingly white doesn't mean Bernie doesn't care about black people.

I do think Bernie's base at this point, those who know of him and are really excited about him, is overwhelmingly white, and the way politics and optics works, other candidates will use that against him, which is bad, and which in turn will make it tougher to reach out to minority voters. It will already be tough enough to reach out to new constituencies for Bernie without all the bullshit, because appealing to lots of different competing cultures and populations is hard on its own when you come in as a virtual unknown.

Bernie's starting base is overwhelmingly white for pretty obvious reasons, he was a politician in the New England and is a democratic socialist in a very conservative country running in the primary of a moderately conservative party, all in a country whose progressive left is overwhelmingly white and affluent, but nefarious reasons will be created to hurt him, and some of it's happening right here on DU! I don't agree with that sort of dishonest tactic, and think that sort of thinking is what is a big problem with our democracy.

Hence, the OP's post is shameful, fucking embarrassing really, that's why their reply is smilies and snark.

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Response to MellowDem (Reply #129)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:58 AM

131. That's precisely what they're trying to do.

And the fact that upscale white liberal women like Joan Walsh are concern trolling this very same thing makes it even more ludicrous. Pay it no mind. Bernie will resonate with people of color on his own merits or he wont. Some pompous message board warriors and bloggers don't speak for everyone.

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Response to MellowDem (Reply #129)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:27 AM

135. The OP has been insulted, his concerns dismissed

He has been accused of playing "the race card" which is, in a word, racist.

Not in just this thread, but several of them. Under the circumstances a silly little attempt to lecture anyone about straw men arguments is fuckin hilarious.

(Now. I like Sanders. If he is the nominee, I'm going to vote for him. He is not my first choice)

Sanders I believe, eventually will address race, as well as race relations. In the meantime, instead of reactive defensiveness how about something like this: "As a progressive, I understand your having trepidation as a person of color, and the overwhelmingly white constituency of the candidate I believe is best for the country. What can I do alleviate or address this?"

I can tell you that has not been the reaction. I understand tempers are hot, attacks are flying every whichaway, but there is no reason for Sanders supporters can't take a breath, and listen to what another in this community is saying regarding race, especially a person who has been very reasonable.

Read through this thread again. Try to understand what it would look like to a undecided person of color, or a Black man in this case.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #135)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:03 AM

145. you make good points

...the response here to these concerns about under-representation of minorities among Bernie's supporters - and this thread noting that this small state isn't indicative of larger populated regions of the nation in which minorities comprise key percentages of the voting public - is amazingly dismissive and depressingly insulting.

If this 'people's revolution' was to be led by the tenor and tone of responders to these concerns and insights here at DU, the campaign would be in for a rude awakening.

There is no safe haven for minorities at DU to openly express concerns about race and the Sanders campaign - concerns regularly discussed in stark and blunt terms by my peers, friends, and family; conversations and commentary of the like which draw nothing but defensive outrage by the majority of Sanders supporters here. There's mob rule at DU over these expressions of concern by minority members of this forum enforced by a stacked jury system which is reminiscent of the national experience of blacks and government under Jim Crow. Essentially, if a majority calls these observations and expressions of concern out-of-bounds, that becomes the operating consensus here where I'm certain whites outnumber minority members by a wide margin (I may be understating that percentage). DU is certainly not getting realistic critiques from a minority pov included in our discussion and debate, and, unfortunately, I don't expect that to happen anytime soon. Very disturbing.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #145)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:09 AM

187. I agree it's very disturbing

It horrifies me.

The thing is, I know from experience as a white person, living in a world were whiteness is the norm, I have to make an effort to hear Black -- or other minority groups--voices. It can be a simple as following "For Harriet" on Facebook, all the way to choosing to take Ethnic America classes in college. I have continually educate myself. I have to--NEED to listen to Black voices even when it's uncomfortable. Especially when it's uncomfortable. To me, this is a bedrock progressive value, and while I'd love to have the luxury of saying I don't understand the pushback on concerns regarding race, I don't have that luxury because I try to pay attention.

We have such a long way to go. Quoting MLK and Ghandi and who knows who else doesn't change the essential nature of what's passing for "debate" here.


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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #135)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:44 AM

183. Good post, in a sea of swarming sharks smelling blood, it might sink though sadly...

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Response to AuntPatsy (Reply #183)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:11 AM

188. No doubt

But thank you anyway

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #135)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 01:09 AM

253. The OP is snarky as hell...

It sure isn't nuanced, it sure isn't saying "look, I'm black, and I'm uncomfortable with Bernie's base being very white", maybe because that's too honest?

No, it's saying Bernie doesn't care about black people because of the very white crowds he is drawing in very white places. Which seems to be terrible reasoning based on some pretty ugly underlying assumptions.

It seems to ignore quite a lot, such as our stupid primary system, that places huge importance on two overwhelmingly white states right off the bat, or Sanders being a virtual unknown outside of the very white upper New England and progressive left, working in an election system that gives every advantage to political dynasties and insiders and makes it really hard to break out as a virtual unknown.

If someone has trepidation at Bernie's white base, it seems a rather ignorant fear, at best, and simple bigotry at worst. Not something I want to indulge a person in. Obama's crowds were overwhelmingly white as well in all the same places, but the same trepidation wasn't had. It shows that the fear being shown here is a pretty ugly one.

There is nothing that can be done about Bernie's white base except for him to try and expand it, and given our election system, he may never do it, and not because he doesn't care about blacks, but because he's not a mainstream candidate. The progressive left is very white, and not for any reason Bernie can control. If he can't expand beyond the progressive left, his base will remain very white. And in our election system, the odds are against him.

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Response to MellowDem (Reply #100)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:45 PM

241. "a shitty concern"

That he should address issues relevant to the black community, because it's the white "progressives" that matter? There are activists of color throughout this country doing all kinds of work in local communities, yet for some reason you don't consider them "progressive"? You insist race is used to divide and conquer by the right, yet you adopt their rhetoric that speaking to the concerns of people of color is divisive. You also constructed a definition of progressive that seems not even slightly left in orientation to me. What version of "progressive" is limited only to a small segment of the population, white and largely middle- and upper-middle class? No one wins elections by focusing on a small minority of the electorate.

My opinion is there is noting progressive about your response. Progressive doesn't involve telling segments of the population they concerns are "shitty." If Bernie weren't talking to you, you wouldn't be interested in his campaign, but you have just told the OP that speaking to his issues doesn't matter, which is to say you don't think he and those like him matter. Yeah, we know. We know we don't matter to any of you. Your contention to speaking to the concerns of people of color would require an abdication of integrity is particularly startling.
Churches being burned throughout the South. A mass murder in a black church. An epidemic of police violence, and his concerns about candidates addressing racism is "shitty"?

Sanders does't address traditional Democratic constituencies. It seems to me that you see that as a plus. You think the concerns of those constituencies, represented through posters like the OP, are "shitty." You see the politics of the Democratic party that speaks to the concerns of the majority--people of color, women, and LGBT Americans--as "divisive." You want a campaign that focuses only on you. Fair enough, but that isn't the Democratic party. There is another party that articulates a similar view of politics and American society, the GOP. You all are angry that Democrats want candidates to address Democrats. This, I believe, is the center of anger about the party, not that it isn't "left" enough, but that it focuses on Americans whose lives and concerns you consider "divisive"--a population that in combination is in fact the majority of this country, but it's not the all important white male "progressive."

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #241)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 12:39 AM

252. What you and he don't get...

Is just because lots of whites as of now currently support Sanders, that doesn't mean he doesn't care about black people or black issues. If your barometer of a candidate's support for a population is only how many people of a population attend his rallies, then your concern is indeed quite shitty.

I'm not telling segments of the population their concerns are shitty, just the OP's own issue he brought up. Stick to not being disingenuous, if you can. Or do you speak for a whole population?

The rest of your post is complete shit, just made up tantrums thrown against a wall, nothing I even said. Maybe a bit of projection as well. After all, I didn't post an OP that chides a candidate for not having enough of X population in their crowds as reason to think they don't support X. That is seriously stupid and lazy thinking.

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Response to MellowDem (Reply #252)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 02:10 PM

258. No one has said he doesn't care about black people

No one but those trying to deny legitimate concerns. The OP doesn't try to speak for an entire population. He speaks for himself, and he is one of very few AAs on this website. That is not an accident. There used to be more who left due to the sort of hostility we see directed at the OP.

My post critiques your view of politics, that you define progressives as white and that you express great hostility to the views of the OP. You don't address any of that but simply engage in attacks. It is not laziness to critique an obvious bias and clear contradictions in your analysis. The view that discussing race is divisive is one that works to perpetuate racism; it is not a view shared by the Democratic party, which explicitly seeks to appeal to key constituencies, which in combination make up the majority of this nation. Middle-class white men see their privilege slipping away, and they invent all kinds of ideological justification to defend it. Your political worldview is willfully narrow. That's fine, but you won't be winning any converts that way, though it's clear to me few even care about that.

I have noticed a lot of discussing politics in terms of labels, progressive and liberal to mean their in-crowd. What I don't see is anything promoting values or policies I would consider progressive. I instead see hostility to dissent; holding a politician above the citizens he seeks to represent; efforts to silence the few people of color that are on a site that purports to be Democrat; and hostility toward the subaltern. We are witnessing what Chris Hayes has referred to as the revolt of the white upper-middle class, which is starting to feel a bit of what it's like to live in America, and they don't like it. I might have a little sympathy if they weren't so openly contemptuous of the rest of us who have always been on the bottom.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #258)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 05:02 PM

260. No one has said Sanders doesn't care about black people? "NOT GOOD ENOUGH, BERNIE",

OP posted May 27, 2015 soon after Sanders Candidacy Campaign Kickoff event in which a publication by a Washington blogger, cited in the OP, immasmartypants exploited the Ferguson events AND a painting of founding father and slave owner George Washington and an obscene photo of 2 police officers with a young black man posed as "deer kill". This was concocted to somehow associate Sen. Sanders with institutional slavery and racism in the US, and to accuse him of being indifferent to the issues of black people. A public official, the son of an immigrant who has worked over 50 years for the rights of blacks and Civil Rights as well as for people in this country of ALL backgrounds, particularly the disadvantaged, oppressed and vulnerable.

This bizarre, repulsive post is the most false, defamatory and deranged attack published about a newly announced Democratic candidate that I've ever seen, the response of dozens more who read it- revolting, deliberate and shameful.

"NOT GOOD ENOUGH, BERNIE", May 27, 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026737025





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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #260)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 06:10 PM

263. I saw

and while I certainly never would have written that blog or posted about it as the linked thread does, it does not make the claim that Sanders is racist. You object to its implication, and I can't say I blame you for that. However, we are here discussing another poster, who has been accused of "race baiting" and sowing division for daring to raise issues he sees as relevant for his community. BigTree was also treated like shit when he asked Sanders supporters to explain the NPR interview. Anyone who dares to ask questions is met with hostility. That only serves to alienate voters.

It's great that Sanders marched decades ago, but it is simply false that he has worked for civil rights for 50 years. He represents VT, and his job has been to represent his constituents, who are overwhelmingly white. Did Sanders in fact quit SNCC because it wouldn't change to a focus on class over race? Or am I mistaken on that?

You see a candidate that speaks to issues you care about, which is great. But to then insist others should just accept that he cares about their interests, when he doesn't address them, is unrealistic and frankly counterproductive to your own candidate, as Skinner himself commented on in ATA.

Besides, in contrast to the constant litany of thousands of threads attacking Clinton, accusing her of everything from murder to virtually every other crime, one thread is hardly unprecedented. I get the clear sense that you all believe Sanders to be superior as a human being, not only to Clinton but to the citizens he seeks to represent. People certainly hold him above the citizenry and insist he be immune from criticism of any kind. Politics doesn't work like that, and if he develops any traction in this campaign you should prepare for far more. If by chance he does win the nomination, the GOP will pain him as Joe Stalin. A rookie could write those campaign ads in his sleep. You better toughen up if you think this campaign is in it for the long haul.




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Response to BainsBane (Reply #263)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 06:36 PM

264. I've seen all these points numerous times on this forum, SOS. With Sanders I see 'a candiate

that speaks to issues I care about' and 'you all believe Sanders to be a superior human being'? WTH? Presuming you know what I and others care about and who I am? 'I better toughen up'. Toughen up for what? You better stop trying to tell people what they think and what they should do-- on a message board, Member X.

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #264)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 07:31 PM

266. Okay, then why are you so appalled by criticism of Sanders

and not Clinton? How is it you call that single post unprecedented, in face of thousands of intensely critical threads about Clinton? `Why do you cite his history in civil rights as some sort of immunity against the concerns about whether he speaks to members of the African American community? Why do you think members generally are so hostile to any questions or criticism of Sanders, as opposed to the President and Democratic politicians?

I'm quite sure I did not tell you what to do. You interjected in this discussion to express anger that another poster, not me, had posted a thread critical of him. I gave my take on that. You evidently objected to my point about toughening up. Don't. Take every criticism as an outrage, if you must. That's your choice. But that again begs the questions I posed in the first paragraph.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #258)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 05:22 PM

262. You ascribe views to me I don't have...

I think we should talk about race. Just because I disagree with the OP doesn't mean I don't think we should.

I don't define progressives as white, I'm just pointing out that, in the U.S., self-described progressives are overwhelmingly white, and that needs to be understood and discussed in order to not take Bernie's white base as the equivalent of Ted Cruz etc.

There are very few blacks on DU, and it has pretty much always been this way, and it's a reflection of the U.S. as a whole. I don't think it's good, just the opposite, but it is the reality. I'm all for discussing why that is and what can be done to change it. Of course I would love all groups to be strong progressives, but we have to acknowledge reality if we want to make any changes.

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Response to MellowDem (Reply #262)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 07:29 PM

265. Self-described?

Now it's self-described? That wasn't in your first post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=429034
The progressive left is overwhelmingly white...

and not that numerous, but very engaged and active, from what I have seen. That could make it tough for Bernie to reach out to minority voters, as he's pretty darn progressive. That's his starting base.

You didn't say self-described, and I can't imagine why self-description would even matter.

True that is his starting base, but the question is will it constitute his entire support? If he doesn't reach out, it may well be, which will mean he will not win the nomination. The idea he should limit his message to that group is a losing strategy. Surely you must see that much?

Your point that it is through no fault of his own and simple geography is false. Sanders makes choices about where to appear. Maine is not an early voting state. SC is. This OP is a continuation of 1strongblackman's posts about whether Sanders will speak to issues concerning AAs that the OP sees as relevant to him and those he knows. He in fact had two, very civil, OPs hidden when he posed that question. The issue of diversity is not simply optics. It's about who he seeks to represent, and the the economic and class message that is so compelling for most members of this site may not be enough to generate support among voters of color essential to Democratic electoral success.

This is what made you think you were talking about more than optics:
If this is your big concern, I don't really care, because it's a shitty concern. If you're waiting for the magic words and act to "get to play", you'll have plenty of candidates to choose from. Hell, I'm sure Bernie will try his best as well, as much as he can while trying to keep a modicum of integrity hopefully. But honesty doesn't suit optics very well in politics.

He's said the magic words that generated your support. Why should a message that generates support of other Democratic voters be a "shitty concern."?

Then there is this:
It's strange to me, to see this on here, to see something that has been a cancer on our democracy and so brazenly used by the right to divide and conquer, to see identity politics so cherished and defended on this site. Just... Fuck. Your post is shameful.


I dealt with that in my other posts to you, though you have since denied you meant it. Only on DU have I encountered self-described leftists/liberals/and progressives who express such a hostility to issues related to ethnic groups (and feminists). Before joining this site, I had no idea anyone outside the right articulated such ideas. If you are a Democrat, you are part of a party where women and people of color are its most reliable voters, its core constituencies. You insist that the message designed to appeal to white middle class voters, "progressives," should magically cover them, and that if they question that, they are shameful. I submit it is that attitude that is shameful.

No, DU isn't a reflection of the US as whole. The US is diverse. Many communities are diverse. The Democratic party is highly diverse. DU is nothing like the US as a whole, not in terms of age, ethnicity, or income level. It is older, whiter, and wealthier than America. That there are few posters of color is, according to some of those who remain, a reflection of the climate of hostility they are met with on this site. The responses to 1strongman, especially in the threads in the AA group, exemplify that.

I live in a highly diverse, progressive community and I know no one that would shout down concerns particular to members of various ethnic groups in the way that is done on DU. I would expect it from RWers, but certainly not from self-described progressives.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #265)

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 12:00 PM

268. It matters...

Minorities in the Democratic Party generally trend more conservative on some issues than the very white left of the party. Poll after poll has shown that. Here's one:

http://www.people-press.org/2014/06/26/the-political-typology-beyond-red-vs-blue/

That's a lot of why DU is overwhelmingly white, and always has been, and why Sanders support base is so white.

I'm sick of you pretending to speak for a community. I don't think the OP is right on this one issue, it doesn't mean I am dismissing an entire community.

DU IS a reflection of the U.S., in that it's ideologically very liberal, and therefore very white. You don't seem to get that point.

The OP doesn't care about substance on this issue, he care about optics. Hence the OP being statistics and snark, and very short. If the crowd were 13 percent black, I guess he'd be mollified, based on his logic, and that's a really stupid way to judge a candidate. It's an appeal to identity politics. There's no analysis or breakdown of Sanders positions and their impact on various communities, the stuff that matters, because the OP is shallow bullshit.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:18 AM

139. Anyone else think he's running away from gun issues!?

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #139)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:39 AM

154. 100%

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #139)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:41 AM

156. No.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:42 AM

142. four electoral votes

...and still in Bernie's backyard.

Nice size crowd, though.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:51 AM

144. I don't understand what "get to play" means

If you vote, don't you "get to play?"

was someone at the door in Portland, keeping minorities out? Or maybe not everyone could get off from work?

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Response to mainer (Reply #144)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:52 AM

184. its nonsense

 

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:04 AM

146. When they show up. There aren't any Whites only signs.

They will show up in areas where they are. Also, early in the game, a lot is name recognition.

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Response to mmonk (Reply #146)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:55 AM

162. Thank you. There are no "White Only" signs at Bernie's rallies.

PoC "get to play" whenever they choose.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:10 AM

147. Bernies made his solidarity all citizens pretty darn clear many times explicetly.....



or this:


The Nation: Obviously, for a lot of those who have followed you, the economic issues, the populist message, is at the heart of your campaign. But when you talk about the crisis, you always include a discussion of climate change.


Sanders: Look, for those of us who believe in science, you simply cannot ignore what the scientific community is saying almost unanimously. And that is that climate change is real; it’s caused by human activity; it’s already causing devastating problems; and it will only get worse in years to come if we don’t transform our energy system. You cannot ignore what is happening every day in terms of the climate and what it will mean—what it’s meaning today to the folks in California and elsewhere—for your kids and my kids. There is a moral responsibility that we must accept to transform our energy system. It cannot be ignored.

The Nation: As a candidate for president, would you refuse money from fossil-fuel companies?


Sanders: (laughing and speaking sarcastically) Well, let me see—it’s true the Koch brothers did send us a large check, and we’ve been debating whether to accept it or not. Of course, for us, it’s rather an unrealistic issue: a) I don’t take corporate PAC money, and b) if, by some accident, some company sent us money, we would send it back—absolutely.

The Nation: A criticism directed toward you early in the campaign was that you were very focused on economics, but not sufficiently focused on critical issues such as police brutality and mass incarceration. Isn’t this something you have to address?


Sanders: Clearly, police brutality and what goes on in African-American communities and other communities is a huge issue…. The question is: How do you have police departments in this country that are part of their communities, not oppressors in their communities? How do you have police officers who, when they commit acts of crime, are held accountable and are indicted? How do you have police officers receiving the proper training that they need? How do we demilitarize our police departments? All of these are important issues. The good news is that, as a country, we are paying far more attention to this issue than we previously did. If anyone thinks that the kind of police brutality that we’re seeing now is something new, they are sorely mistaken. The good news, in a sense, is that it’s now becoming public and we’re seeing it and talking about it.

There has to be, I think, a significant change in police culture in terms of . That is a major issue that has to be dealt with. And we will deal with it, period.

The other thing, to be frank, that does trouble me is that there is so little discussion about African-American youth unemployment. How do you discuss Ferguson and not know that, in that particular community, unemployment is off the charts? How do you discuss Baltimore and not know that, in that particular community, unemployment is off the charts? African-American youth unemployment in this country is 50 percent, and one out of three African-American males born today stands the possibility of ending up in jail if present trends continue. This is a disaster. So, of course, we’ve got to talk about police brutality; of course, we’ve got to talk about reforming our criminal-justice system; of course, we’ve got to make sure that we are educating our kids and giving them job training and not sending them to jail. But I get a little distressed that people are not talking about what I consider to be a huge problem: How do you not talk about African-American youth unemployment at 50 percent?

The Nation: That focus on employment goes back to the historic message of the civil-rights movement. Civil-rights organizing was one of the ways into political activism for you, wasn’t it?


Sanders: Civil rights was a very important part of it. I was very active in the Congress of Racial Equality at the University of Chicago. I got arrested in trying to desegregate Chicago’s school system. I was very active in demanding that the University of Chicago not run segregated housing, which it was doing at that time. We were active in working with our brothers and sisters in SNCC … at that point helping them with some very modest financial help. So, yes, I was active. And I do not separate the civil-rights issue from the fact that 50 percent of African-American young people are either unemployed or underemployed. Remember the March on Washington—what was it about? “Jobs and Freedom.” The issue that Dr. King raised all the time was: This is great if we want to desegregate restaurants or hotels, but what does it matter if people can’t afford to go to them? That’s still the issue today.

...SNIP...

Full interview here~
http://www.thenation.com/article/bernie-sanders-speaks/




...Bill Clinton can also say he was active in racial inequality back in the day, just not in the PRO-active way Bernie was. Quite the opposite. Makes me wonder if the Hill Camp is putting Bernie on the defensive to subvert attention from that & of course the "hard working Americans...ahem...white Americans..." comment from Hillary in 2008.

Connecting the Dots
How Bill Clinton’s Welfare “Reform” Created a System Rife With Racial Biases
May 12, 2014
by Joshua Holland

http://billmoyers.com/2014/05/12/how-bill-clintons-welfare-reform-created-a-system-rife-with-racial-
biases/

A tip of the hat to RiverLover!!!

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Response to marble falls (Reply #147)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:18 AM

148. Excellent post.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #147)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:06 AM

163. Good rebuttal to the talking points OP.

And you'll get crickets (How I wish there was a crickets smilie).

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:40 AM

155. K&R!

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:50 AM

158. As a black man, what would you like to hear from Bernie that would address your concerns?

My issue with this post is that it is not constructive in any way. It is not instructive in any way. You have failed to communicate your issue with Bernie. At this point I think the way I'm reading your posts in this thread is that the biggest issue is that he is not Clinton.

I would be very interested, especially given the fact that I want my candidate to win, in what you would like for Bernie to say differently, or perhaps you could tell me what issue of yours he is failing to address and perhaps you would be so kind as to let us know what you would prefer to hear from him.

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #158)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:16 PM

220. I'm shocked that you didn't get an answer..

shocked, I tell you.

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Response to frylock (Reply #220)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 07:02 PM

246. He didn't get an answer because 1SBM was locked out of the thread on an idiotic hide.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #246)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 08:15 PM

249. The OP has had ample opportunity over the last several weeks..

to explicitly state what specific questions or concerns they might have about Sanders' positions. But if the OP were to do that, he might start receiving answers, in which case this strategy of claiming that Sanders is dismissive of issues that effect minorities couldn't be used against the candidate leading up to the primaries.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:10 AM

166. I attempted to discuss a similar issue two weeks ago.

 

Mine was more about representation and the lack of it in the early states. It didn't go over that well. It's like some just favor wealthy white men deciding who will head our party for the next four years. I get their need for dominance and the fight to keep the same group choosing our leaders. It is a power some don't want to give up. It seems to be a human trait.

Discussing the optics of Hillarys campaign? Damn straight and it better include unbridled hate.

Discussing the optics of Sanders campaign? Only if it backs up what the people you are describing want you to say. Get in line.

I don't think they get the level of condescension. Not to mention the dog whistles.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #166)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:46 AM

177. If you have a problem with lack of diversity in the early primary states,

 

...that should be taken up with the DNC. They (chaired by Pres Obama) are the ones who decided the schedule. Bernie Sanders had zero input into the primary schedule.
Secondly, Sanders has an over 40 year track record of supporting minority issues, and has in fact addressed them during his campaign speeches. It has elicited very favorable responses from the crowds...which are predominately white, but that's the demographics of the early primary states where Sanders is logically beginning his campaign. Again, he didn't decide the primary schedule.
I have the impression that Bernie could devote an entire hour and a half speech to minority issues, and OP would still be whining. It's perfectly fine to support ones candidate, and express valid criticism of the opposing candidates. But OPs comments in this thread, and others, reek of just being a low-class smear job. In fairly short time, Sanders will be addressing crowds in more diverse states, and will more than adequately address minority issues to the satisfaction of those who are intellectually honest.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #177)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:53 AM

178. At what point did I say a complete lack of diversity...

 

in early primary states had any thing to do with Sanders? The answer to that question makes the rest of your words pointless. You started with a false assumption and moved forward from there.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:37 AM

176. I hear you

 

I think that there needs to be more outreach into other communities.
The diversity of these crowds is not what it should be.
Judging from Bernie's stance on the issues, I do not believe that ANY race of folks is not invited. I just think that they are unaware.

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Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #176)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:07 AM

186. The primary schedule was set by the DNC, not the candidates

 

early primary states do not have diverse populations. A simple look at census data would help to disabuse people of this silliness. Hey, if it helps I live in a town who was visited last by Ron Paul. It was an incredibly educational rally...and if his son shows up would offer a nice compare and contrast, but we simply do not expect any candidate to show. So Paul was a surprise.

Does that mean people feel slighted? We'll sort off. We are tired of being an ATM for both parties, and nothing more. I could post a dishonest OP on how much one, or both parties hate us though. The "data" is out there.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #186)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:38 AM

191. Pro tip: The primary schedule is not set by the DNC

Individual states determine their date.

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #191)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:42 AM

192. Yes, and they actually work with both parties

 

to set their schedule, because who is first in the nation is negotiated with the national parties. That is really a pro tip here.

By the way, thanks, my watch is indeed running on time.

(And I would prefer if early primaries moved to states that are a tad more representative of the rest of the country and have far more electoral votes, but that ain't gonna happen... so should I make another dishonest OP about THAT?)

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #192)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:57 AM

193. California moved its primary from February to June for monetary reasons

Not on the behest of either party

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #193)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:00 PM

194. And both state parties were part of the negotiations on that one

 

I should write a dishonest OP though.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #194)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:16 PM

197. Negotiations? republicans dragged their feet a bit and Democrats were tepid with the change

And a lot of the citizens of the state (myself included) were disappointed, but at the end of the day, it was simply sound fiscal policy.

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #197)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:24 PM

198. You forget I live in this state

 

part of the negotiations included the change (implemented) on how we do state elections that have blown in the face of the elephants.

But yup I should pen a dishonest OP.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #198)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:14 PM

206. Can I assume you were disappointed, too?

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #206)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:03 PM

216. I was. I wish we had more say.

Not gonna post a dishonest OP though...

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Response to zappaman (Reply #216)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:44 PM

227. I'm suddenly thinking of the NFL's new point after touchdown rule.

Why move the boys back for the extra point kick to 15-yard line when you can just move the goal posts?

You know what I mean, Vern?




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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #206)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:59 PM

230. Yup, but none asks me

 

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #193)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:10 PM

196. I love it when people correct her

 

Her responses, in the face of obvious factual errors, are usually high grade unintentional comedy.




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Response to LordGlenconner (Reply #196)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:24 PM

199. So are you

 

irony

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #199)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:25 PM

201. Ahh yes

 

The "I know you are but what am I" response.

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Response to LordGlenconner (Reply #201)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:26 PM

202. Even more irony

 

and now with personal attacks. Please proceed Prime Minister

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #186)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:37 PM

223. Educational from Ron Paul?!?!?!

 

You've got to be kidding. He is only full of that Libertardian rhetoric that he spews. Both him and his son are shills for big corporations. They want no regulations so that these corporations can kill us and not be responsible for it. They want people to die from not having healthcare. Oh, and he's a bigot to boot.
As long as they're white and malleable, you can expect a visit from the son too.

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Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #223)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:53 PM

229. Fuck Ron Paul.

And Rand Paul too!

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Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #223)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 03:19 PM

231. If you are interested in how

 

Any politician looks different in person (that charisma oozes) from the TV....be thankful he is not that charismatic on TV

Also the crowd was. If you are not that stuck in partisanship seeing people drive from 300 miles and then telling you why is educational. Ron Paul is a right wing populist. I hope his son is not even half as good holding a crowd.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #231)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:24 PM

237. The only thing that Ron and Rand Paul ooze for me

 

could be called Santorum!

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Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #237)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:40 PM

238. And at this point I would say I am fully sorry

 

because discounting people since you despise them so much is actually a risk.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:18 AM

189. I'm a minority; he's speaking to me

If other individuals who are minorities don't feel the same and aren't receptive to his message. That's their problem... He's answering questions more directly that Clinton ever has.

The campaign is just beginning, he has to campaign in his strongholds to get media attention and fundraise, there's absolutely no problem with this.

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Response to ram2008 (Reply #189)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 06:36 PM

245. The real problem is the message, they want it shut down and clear limits set for the future as well.

Economic justice, civil liberties, peace, even the environment is now a no no. Anything that isn't Wall Street and MIC orthodoxy is verboten.

The biggest problem this country has in some eyes is a few on and near the upper crust aren't getting full value of their class privilege.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:03 PM

195. I read most of this thread. Does it make any difference to anyone that the NAACP has given

Bernie an excellent rating?

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Response to jwirr (Reply #195)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:53 PM

203. I have high regard for the NAACP

...their history and their activism and advocacy.

However, you need to look a bit more closely at the criticisms leveled at the organization from many of the 'black lives matter' protesters and others involved in the uprising of protest against the police across the nation. Mostly a younger generation, but not restricted to them, has expressed frustration to outright anger at the organization for their apparent tendency to compromise on many concerns and their insistence that change can best be managed by negotiation rather than through protest. In many ways, this current conflict mirrors the divide that existed between MLK's movement and more reactionary elements of the community favoring direct action.

So, relying on the NAACP as the end-all for black perspectives may not be the best reference available.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #203)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:59 PM

204. Thank you. I knew about the divide in Ferguson MO - just did not realize that it involved the NAACP.

The rating regard voting records though so I think it still has relevance in that area.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #204)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:40 PM

210. I'm sure it has some relevance

...what I don't think is clear is how blacks will respond to this election, to this primary. I do know that, despite a definite effort at outreach to the younger community, the NAACP is challenged, as we all are, to find ways to amplify the concerns of the millennial generation. One thing is clear, there's more of a desire for their own voices to be reflected, than there is for older veterans speaking for them. How that will translate to support in this election is anyone's guess.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #210)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:46 PM

212. You are so correct about our millnnial generation. When I want to know what to think on any issue

I talk with my grandson and his lady. I am never disappointed - they are great. And the best thing is that they are really thinking the issues through. We are going to be in safe hands if they have their say.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #203)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:42 PM

211. Yeah we should rely on DU posters

And elite white female perspective like Joan Walsh for that...
Stick to pushing OMalley.

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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #211)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:49 PM

213. what the hell are you talking about?

and who the f**k is Joan Walsh?

Do I look like a 'white female' to you?



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Response to bigtree (Reply #213)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:59 PM

215. joan walsh

Is the liberal white elite Hillary surrogate pushing this on Salon
http://www.salon.com/2015/06/01/white_progressives_racial_myopia_why_their_colorblindness_fails_minorities_and_the_left/
I had no idea as to your race or ethnicity and it has nothing to do with my assertion that you need to stick to pushing OMalley.

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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #215)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:05 PM

217. that crap you posted has zero to do with me or anything I was discussing with this poster

...and I'll be damned if I let you or any other Sanders supporter dictate to me what I should discuss here.

That's typical of the tone of many Sanders supporters here when anyone dares to broach anything which might be critical of their candidate; 'sit down and shut up.'

Good luck with that.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #217)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:10 PM

219. what garbage

You stated that people shouldn't pay attention to organizations like the NAACP... and should listen to who? You? And other DU posters and elitist white liberal bloggers? Spare me.

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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #219)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:17 PM

221. wow

...listen to whoever you want.

I certainly won't be 'paying attention' to you anymore.

Oh, and good luck.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #221)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:28 PM

222. likewise

But keep pushing the Clinton surrogate OMalley who's going exactly nowhere except possibly a Clinton cabinet position.

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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #215)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:37 PM

224. You forgot




Woman.



Liberal 'elite' white women seem to be the latest targets of scorn here.

P.S. I am.a Bernie supporter.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #213)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 02:07 PM

218. You "need to stick to pushing O'Malley."

How dare you have an opinion on another candidate!!!

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Response to bigtree (Reply #203)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 03:36 PM

232. Yet these are the same young leaders

 

speaking of ECONOMIC JUSTICE in the hood as well.

And I have been around a few of those very contentious meetings between the NAACP and local young leaders by the way. So I know what you speak off... but those young leaders are speaking of jobs, jobs, jobs and economic opportunity and mass incarceration. In San Diego specifically, CCP 182.5

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 12:25 PM

200. I'm so sorry, 1StrongBlackMan

I think I like Bernie better than Hilary AND I think it would help his cause to speak to issues of concern to PoC. To me, this is simply common sense. I agree with 1StrongBlackMan. It's just an observation. We will hold a lot of sway in the democratic primary. I don't see how mentioning that his chances are better by speaking to us about issues that concern us, is offensive. Right now, he is spending a lot of time in early voting states that are predominately white. His large crowds would obviously be primarily white in those early states. However, even while standing in front of those crowds, his sound bites will be broadcast via commercials, news casts, etc.

I'm sorry that they're out to get you, 1StrongBlackMan. Perhaps, your username says it all. After the white privilege battles and Zimmerman defenders, I had to get away for a bit. I lurk from time to time. But, hey...maybe I have some quotes that will help.

If peace means accepting second class citizenship, then I don’t want it. If peace means keeping my mouth shut in the midst of evil and injustice, then I don’t want it. If peace means being complacent and accepting the status quo, then I don’t want it. If peace means being passive, then I don’t want it. If peace means a willingness to be exploited and humiliated, then that’s the kind of peace that I don’t want----DR. KING (from his speech in Louisville Kentucky , 1956)


There are two quotes from Malcolm X that would fit perfectly here, but I'm fairly sure they wouldn't be well received. The abbreviated version, carefully edited for DU, would be...they like us best, when we serve their purpose. So, apparently, you haven't been serving their purpose.

Judging from your posts, which are ALWAYS on point...your life is much bigger than DU. So, if they eventually toss you...or you just realize you've spent far too much time here, it'll be their loss.

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Response to onpatrol98 (Reply #200)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 10:11 PM

251. Hey darlin! So good to see you again.

Judging from your posts, which are ALWAYS on point...your life is much bigger than DU. So, if they eventually toss you...or you just realize you've spent far too much time here, it'll be their loss.

I've said to 1SBM more than once that he should just cut his losses and head out. This place isn't worth the trouble or the heartburn.

Hope you and yours are doing wonderfully.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #251)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 03:51 AM

257. Hey!!!!

I hate to see a good guy bullied. I needed a feel good moment after reading about his harassment.

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Envogue stepping out...made me feel better. I think we'll all feel better when we have that moment. Not to mention, sometimes you just want to give a few people that side eye, Coco gave Alicia Keys when she thought she was going to sing over her (3:10). It was just the therapy I needed.


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Response to onpatrol98 (Reply #257)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 05:05 PM

261. Girl... En Vogue is one of my favorite groups of ALL TIME.

WHY won't they get back together???!!!! I still play Runaway Love on the regular. It's one of my favorite songs ever. If they and Total got back together, I wouldn't know what to do with myself.

I hear you about the bullying of 1SBM. This place has always been hostile to minorities, that's just a fact. But some are taking it to a whole 'nother level now and it is truly horrible to see.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:16 PM

207. I think most POC can figure out which candidate best reflects their interests.

 

When his rallies reach NY, DC, Miami, etc., will they ban blacks from attending?

--imm

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Response to immoderate (Reply #207)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 01:49 PM

214. of course they can

The paternalistic concern trolling on this here is nauseating.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 09:59 PM

250. Did you expect him to import PoC for his speech? "The pattern" is this:

 

Due to this being a shoestring grassroots campaign with limited funding, Bernie is starting out by focussing on locations near the 1st 2 major primary states, NH and Iowa, and his home state of VT. Maine, which borders NH and VT, happens to be a pretty white region. Starting from his home base has enabled him to draw growing crowds, at less expense, attracting more early funding to support his push throughout the rest of the country. The growing crowds are also attracting media attention lending his campaign increasing credibility, which will help him grow crowds when he starts expanding his touring.

"Minorities" have been a major focus of Bernie, not for his personal gain, but his life's work.

The campaign has barely begun. Give it time.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 02:27 AM

255. You have explained that you use quotes for progressives to indicate they are not *real*

progressives, just pretending, so why are you so "concerned" if people posing as minorities don't "get to play"? Whatever that means...

I've never seen you post such nonsense before Sanders got in the race. I know you have stated that you are not hurting economically, but now I think you must be extremely worried that a Sanders presidency will really hit your pocketbook. Something is making you overly emotional and irrational about him.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 11:59 PM

267. Nate Silver is basically making the same point as you about Bernie's base

 

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Tue Aug 11, 2015, 02:25 AM

270. KIck for reality and a wakeup call... LA......... we love ya

''Whoa hooo! Wake me when "minorities" get to play.

(Just noting the pattern continues.) ''

Where's your pattern now?/?????


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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #270)

Tue Aug 11, 2015, 02:50 AM

271. L.A. has put that false narrative about separation definitively to rest.

 

Of course, pushing that false narrative benefits those who don't like to hear "the economy is rigged," and don't like a link between economic and racial justice to be made.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

Tue Aug 11, 2015, 02:56 AM

272. I think your OP is despicable.

Your race based attack on Bernie Sanders has nothing to do with blacklivesmatter.
It's purest swift-boating against a primary opponent, and it's despicable.

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Response to delrem (Reply #272)

Tue Aug 11, 2015, 12:51 PM

273. Now be nice. Race-based attacks are all they have. It takes time to invent & distribute a new smear

 

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