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Sun Jul 5, 2015, 04:47 PM

 

* Bernie Sanders vs. Hillary Clinton, the 99% vs Bankers, here in the US and abroad -- does Greece

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Reply * Bernie Sanders vs. Hillary Clinton, the 99% vs Bankers, here in the US and abroad -- does Greece (Original post)
Playinghardball Jul 2015 OP
4139 Jul 2015 #1
yallerdawg Jul 2015 #2
JaneyVee Jul 2015 #3
wyldwolf Jul 2015 #6
Indepatriot Jul 2015 #24
BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #11
JaneyVee Jul 2015 #15
BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #16
JaneyVee Jul 2015 #19
BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #20
JaneyVee Jul 2015 #25
BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #33
virtualobserver Jul 2015 #4
99Forever Jul 2015 #5
PatrickforO Jul 2015 #9
BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #10
Indepatriot Jul 2015 #13
BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #14
Indepatriot Jul 2015 #21
BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #23
FlatBaroque Jul 2015 #17
BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #22
Report1212 Jul 2015 #31
sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #7
FlatBaroque Jul 2015 #12
Indepatriot Jul 2015 #8
orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #30
arely staircase Jul 2015 #18
orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #26
SoapBox Jul 2015 #27
Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #28
orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #29
sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #32

Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 04:55 PM

1. Ouch! Hmm, well it worked as well as Hillarys Libya plan

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 05:09 PM

3. Jeez, it's going to be a LONG 2 years...

 

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 05:16 PM

6. it's only going to be 9 months

After March there will be no path forward for Sanders, although he may declare an independent candidacy then. Many of his supporters will cheer. After all, a "revolution" can't be quelled by pesky southern and western Democratic primary results.

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 06:55 PM

24. Are you familiar with the phrase "Whistling past the graveyard" ?

 

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 06:12 PM

11. Do you object to posting her own words?

Has she changed her position?

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 06:32 PM

15. She shouldn't change her position on this.

 

Greece fucked up big time and needs new management. There is no other possible path to prosperity for Greece.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #15)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 06:34 PM

16. So you agree with austerity

And yet bemoan the posting of her position here. That's not entirely consistent. Why not just be honest in the first place? If you agree with Hillary because she prescribes austerity, just say so.

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #16)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 06:38 PM

19. Who is going to bail out a country...again?

 

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #19)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 06:46 PM

20. The point I am making in *this* particular thread is one should stand up for

what one believes in. Hillary too. I have no idea why she is trying to run away from her record and positions. I find it bizarre in every way. I think everyone should be clear about what they believe and be able to defend it. If you believe in austerity and making people suffer so the wealthy can remain whole, then defend that notion. But please don't pretend it is a slam or something to sigh about when statements and a politician's record are posted.

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #20)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 07:10 PM

25. Did she change positions?

 

I honestly don't know. But I do know that Greece needs a path to prosperity, and unlike America, they don't have an economy that could sustain more spending. Fortunately, America has a different banking and economic system.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #25)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 03:05 AM

33. A "Path to Prosperity" by way of austerity is akin to calling

bombing the shit out of a country "Operation Freedom." This is neoliberalism infecting our media and political system. Austerity is good for nothing but making the rich richer and the poor poorer with lots and lots of suffering and dying along the way.

Here's a newsflash: the loan can and should be restructured to give the Greeks a chance to pay. That's it. That's all that needs to happen. The EU is plenty solvent enough to extend the loan. The troika is being purposely punitive in the cruelest possible way. They want to privatize and loot the country as much as possible just as they did here after 2008. And you agree with that. The phrase "check your privilege" applies here.

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 05:11 PM

4. do you imagine that Bernie supported austerity three years ago?

 

and do you imagine that Hillary would take an anti-austerity position today?

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 05:16 PM

5. Really?

Go back 4 years and show us anywhere that Senator Sanders spoke in favor of "austerity" as a good game plan for any nation.

Consider it a challenge.

We'll be waiting. Chop chop.

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 05:58 PM

9. 2 years isn't that long.

And, if you'll recall, many prominent economists were all for a second stimulus to follow up ARRA, but the Republicans dug in and the Third Way Dems started acquiescing.

What these two screen prints show is a profound difference between the two in their understanding of how a national economy works. Austerity has been BAD for the United States, and has been proven by history to be BAD for everyone else. The bottom line is we spend WAY too much feeding Wall Street and the Military-Industrial Complex, and don't spend NEARLY ENOUGH of OUR tax dollars on things that help US.

Unfortunately, Hillary Clinton has repeatedly shown neoliberal tendencies while Bernie Sanders has not.

On the issues, I like Bernie pretty much on everything, but I like him BEST on his stance on getting these corporations who have offshored trillions of dollars and not paid a dime in US income tax since 2008. I also like the way he is advocating a miniscule trade tax on Wall Street. My son is in finance and he tells me that lots of the volume on the stock exchanges happens when 'bots owned by the big investment houses practice arbitrage. Every minute, there are literally thousands of these mechanical transactions where they are picking up maybe 1/10 of a cent per share - a minute tax on trading of this kind is a very solid idea.

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 06:09 PM

10. Has she changed her position?

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 06:29 PM

13. Depends, which way is the wind blowing right now?

 

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Response to Indepatriot (Reply #13)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 06:31 PM

14. Maybe we should all ask Pelosi!

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #14)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 06:47 PM

21. We could save time and just ask Dimon or Blankfein...

 

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Response to Indepatriot (Reply #21)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 06:49 PM

23. WWGT

What would Goldman think? --Larry Fathead Summers

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 06:35 PM

17. I would like to know if she

has updated her position since then. Has she evolved on this?

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #17)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 06:47 PM

22. Magic 8 Ball says

Don't know.

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 11:03 PM

31. Hillary is free to flip flop yet again

Yet here she hasn't.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 05:25 PM

7. The world is with Bernie on the IMF/World Bank enslavement of sovereign nations

first in the Third World, now in Europe, especially the non white parts of the world.

I love Greece's new government and hope they take the plunge, as Iceland did, leave the EU, others will follow as they too have seen these neo-liberals destroy THEIR economies also.

Then start doing what Iceland did. As Icelandic politicians said lately, our Economy is stable because we arrested the Bankers and corrupt politicians, the opposite of what the EU and the US did. And look at the results.

Go Greece, what are they going to do?? They FORGIVE debts to countries like Egypt under Mubarak to get his support for our wars.

These organizations need to be disbanded. They work for Western/White societies while they decimate societies in S. America and Africa and eastern Europe.

If Greece leads the way, I have little doubt they will be followed by Spain, Portugal, Ireland among others whose own nations have been robbed of their assets, enslaved in IMF debt and economies destroyed by these criminal neo-Liberals.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 06:29 PM

12. The upper crust requires a constant input of confiscated wealth

The low hanging countries have already been hollowed out, but the fatal flaw of the evil class is that they can never stop their greed. They will keep takng from each successive conquest (financial or military) until the people say NO!

I thnk Greece said NO today. This day will be remembered.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 05:30 PM

8. Stop Smearing Hillary!

 

By posting facts about her positions.......

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Response to Indepatriot (Reply #8)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 07:48 PM

30. Good point !!!!!

 

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 06:35 PM

18. many of the 99 are with HRC on guns (gonna be a big primary issue, watch) nt

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 07:20 PM

27. Go Bernie!

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 07:43 PM

28. Infrastructure? NOT UNLESS WE PAY FOR IT!!!

 

How do we pay for it? INCREASE REVENUES!!!

How do we increase revenues? TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH!!!

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #28)

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 07:48 PM

29. Tax the rich every time they transfer Hedge funds, Bernie solution.

 

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 01:38 AM

32. Greece will lead the way out of these horrible policies. They were the first to suffer

under them.

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