2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI like what Thom Hartman said on Lawrence O'Donnell's show
He said "I think Hillary's great, I just like Bernie better"- no animus, no trashing Hillary, no need to belittle any supporters for other candidates. He is committed to keeping a Democrat in the White House. It would be nice if that attitude prevailed on DU.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I need to catch up on the Brunch With Bernie shows.
elleng
(130,865 posts)He didn't mention Martin O'Malley, which a serious discussion of this matter requires. Failing that DID belittle supporters of 'other' candidates.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)I just feel like he is in the tank for Bernie.
And that is fine, but I know that he has a serious bias. I will just say it, Berne Sanders has a radio and television show host dedicated to promoting via Thom Hartmann.
Having said that, Bernie is in a bubble every friday with Brunch with Bernie. It's been a regular thing for many years, and I appreciate it.
No one is calling in to challenge Sanders.
Maybe that should happen.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)You just don't notice it because Bernie treats a challenge like a welcome greeting. Bernie is just excitable about injustice but not angry at people. It's a nice combination in a great personality.
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YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)I tell you what, I will be voting for Hillary and so will Bernie if he does not get the nomination. We can not let another Bush in the White House. I won't go into the other 13 or so crazies we'd have to deal with. I think Sanders made the right decision. We really should not let Hillary nor Bernie over shadow O'Malley or Chafee. There's plenty of time to open our ears.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)about anything. He has been delivering the same populist, socialistic message for as long as I have been listening and that is over ten years. I have been listening so long that I sometimes even get bored because I know what he is going to say. He's that consistent and truthful. But beyond his message he has the facts, figures and sources to back up what he says. They always check out too. I doubt if Chris Hedges listens to him much either.
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Cleita
(75,480 posts)You seem to know nothing about Bernie except what you read over at Chris Hedges who is known to tailor his facts to suit his opinion. Suggestion. Why don't you mosey over to Bernie's websites. There are about three of them. Read what he has to say and then see if Chris is right. He's not. Oh and Bernie has said, he's in it to win, but you would know that if you followed Bernie. I think your criticism is more suitable for Trump and the rest of the Repub clown car.
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Scuba
(53,475 posts)Please think of all the new media that has exploded onto the scene since 1989. Yes, the old "mainstream media" is worse, but many (most?) Americans now avail themselves of the new media.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)nt
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sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)from a question. He holds these town hall meetings, he's always been accessible to the people, and his question and answer periods are almost as long as his speech. He seems to LOVE the questions and has no problem answering them.
No prepared questions, just people who are trying to figure out who to vote for, and he allows them the time to ask him where he stands on issues.
Not sure where you got the idea that no one challenges on that show.
And kudos to him for doing it for so long. Others could have, but I guess the pay isn't great. Bernie loves talking to the people, even the ones who challenge him.
The reason why it's so easy for him to answer questions, is because he is right on the issues and is passionate about them as he has been for his entire political career, and even before that.
patricia92243
(12,595 posts)show, do you know where it is broadcast? I would love to hear it.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)It airs on Free Speech TV. If your cable company or satellite doesn't carry it, you can stream in online.
https://www.freespeech.org/
House of Roberts
(5,168 posts)whether Elizabeth Warren should endorse Bernie or Hillary. He wasn't asked a question that pertained to O'malley.
elleng
(130,865 posts)Blindly accepting an assumption that there are only 2 candidates is not doing his job.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)I'm sure Lawrence would have loved that.
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)Maybe he didn't think O'Malley had a chance of getting the her endorsement so he didn't feel the need to bring it up. If someone asked me who was going to go to the superbowl this year, leaving a few teams out of my answer doesn't do those teams a disservice, it just means they weren't pertinent to the question because I didn't think they'd win.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)Also, I Want people to remember that Thom did vote for Nader. HE has said that many times on his show.
valerief
(53,235 posts)Raine1967
(11,589 posts)Bernie is now a candidate. That changes things.
As I said in this thread, Bernie has had a very safe platform via Hartmann. It's been safe for Forever, thing is, he is now running for president.
House of Roberts
(5,168 posts)and has done so ever since Bernie declared.
Thom also voted for Nader in a state Bush had no chance to win, and he says that he wouldn't if there was any chance the Dem could lose.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)My point is that Thom has been a bernie guy since forever. It's pretty cleat that he is not going to promote anyone else.
Key word: promote.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)if they want to. He has stated that repeatedly, but if you ever listened to his show, you would know that.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)will give them equal time. To date none have accepted. Also, before you spread the Nader shit. Thom said he voted for Nader because in the state he was voting in, it was not a spoiler vote. The votes would overwhelmingly go for Gore. He did it so the Green Party could get cred as a legitimate party. But if you listened to his show regularly you would know that instead of making incorrect statements.
chknltl
(10,558 posts)I forget which state he says he voted in when he voted for Nader but he knew beforehand that the state was well locked on the Democratic nominee. He further stated that had there been any doubts he would have voted for the Dem which is exactly what his wife did. Please don't forget to remind folks about that or they might misinterpret that you think Thom's vote for Nader in any way hurt the Dem in that election.
Thom Hartmann is quite savvy on the topic of voting and voting with third party nominees in our 'flawed' system. Here he explains some of those flaws, how and why they were created and even goes after Nader for misrepresenting the third party in America issue:
http://www.thomhartmann.com/articles/2004/08/ralph-nader-let-voter-beware
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)want to waste their time talking about issues on a radio show? How is that his fault?
I'll take other politicians seriously when they GO on his show.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Do you actually believe Hillary would go on a show and answer questions? Especially from the public?
proud patriot
(100,705 posts)sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)all hosts will show his preferences. I think that his belief in
Bernie as a second FDR is quite a bit over the top.
On the other hand if the O'Malley supporters would call
in to ask him to give their candidate a voice, I believe
that he would agree. However, Bernie has given up his
time to spend one hour a week to answer the questions
of listeners for years (without the idea of a POTUS election), and these will know and remember Bernie's
efforts to answer. That creates a loyalty, you may not expect
to shift easily to another candidate.
edit: Perhaps what I meant to say is that O'Malley did not try
to get onto the show until he decided to run. In that sense
he is a "Johnny come lately", no matter whether the situation
has changed.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)the people, other candidates not so much. Bernie has no fear of questions, because he has convictions, strongly held for decades and he has been right on so many of them, see Marriage Equality, eg, when everyone else was against it, except for a few, he was for it. And he was right. So he has no fear of the people.
Politicians for the most part don't like going on shows unless they are scripted like the Corporate Media where no uncomfortable questions will be asked.
I doubt anyone will take Thom up on his offer, though it really is a lost opportunity for them.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)But I bet Hillary would just happen to have a 'previous engagement' or something. There is no way she would ever take questions from the general public. No freaking way.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Then accusing others of being disloyal and saying only Bernie can win against a Republican.
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Cleita
(75,480 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)but Hillary has a chance, that no one else was 'viable' or 'electable' etc. She was the presumed winner. When Bernie first announced, he was dismissed by Hillary supporters, we were told he would be forgotten in a week.
Hey, I expect that, it's politics so I don't whine about it, especially since people are going to do it. Not all supporters of candidates do, though they ALL get the blame when a few do it.
I would much rather hear about issues, where do they stand, not how people feel about who is saying what about their candidate. That is thoroughly boring frankly.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)That is what Hillary supporters have been saying for months.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Or...
NBachers
(17,107 posts)"I just haven't the need for the pain"