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Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:13 PM

Hey, Hillary! Pay Your Interns

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/06/23/hillary-clinton-unpaid-intern-millenials-column/28936259/
As the high school girl who slept in a Hillary for President T-shirt for most of 2007, cried when she conceded to Barack Obama, railed at Congress during the Benghazi hearings and was an early follower of Texts from Hillary, I took heart from the 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling Hillary Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign had created.

When Hillary announced her second run for the White House, I felt my passion for politics reignite. I quickly applied for and was offered a position as a Hillary for America fellow to work on the campaign. I couldn't have been more excited — until I was told I'd have to move to Nevada and work full time on my own dime.

I couldn't believe my ears. I did not apply as a routine volunteer but as a fellow. Its application process with an elaborate screening and interview process was now revealed to be an ugly lie. If Hillary hopes to inspire young people, to prove she understands our interests she should offer substance to earn our votes.

But it doesn't bode well that a campaign seeking younger voters would callously overlook my generation's biggest struggle: employment. Nearly 14% of us are unemployed. After two straight years of unemployment, I thought things were looking up with a potential Hillary victory. Internships, once a prestigious foot-in-the-door experience, have increasingly been shown to be an abusive way for employers to gain free labor. I had bad experiences at unpaid internships in California and New York. I promised myself when I graduated two years ago to never let anyone do that to me again.


As as been pointed out in repeated articles about Hillary's unpaid campaign "fellows", only young people from wealthy families can afford to work for her campaign.

Meanwhile, Hillary's campaign just hired journalist/Fusion host and Univision news anchor Jorge Ramos' daughter. http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/jorge-ramos-announces-his-daughter-will-work-for-clinton/265511 "I am disclosing that my daughter, Paola, has accepted a position working with Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign.”

So here's the big question, Is SHE being paid? If so, was she hired and given preferential treatment, i.e, being paid, because of her father's influential position as a news anchor? Or because according to Time magazine, "Jorge Ramos is one of the most influential men in the world." http://www.mediamoves.com/2015/04/jorge-ramos-makes-times-100-influential-list.html

If she (who just graduated from Harvard last month) like other Clinton campaign workers is not being paid, then who's picking up her relocation, cost of living, medical insurance expenses? Reasonably, one would expect it's her father/family. This is the father who states he still talks to her on the phone everyday, but protests he can maintain his journalistic integrity, impartiality, fairness, etc. http://www.latintimes.com/jorge-ramos-letter-daughter-paola-will-melt-your-heart-318583

The reality is that whomever actually subsidizes all the expenses and costs of living for unpaid campaign workers is indirectly contributing to the Clinton campaign, and doubtless in excess of the legal limits on campaign contributions. What stinks about this? Pretty SLICK, huh?

http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/jorge-ramos-announces-his-daughter-will-work-for-clinton/265511

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Divernan Jun 2015 OP
Divernan Jun 2015 #1
azmom Jun 2015 #4
fadedrose Jul 2015 #29
riversedge Jun 2015 #2
Divernan Jun 2015 #6
riversedge Jun 2015 #7
6chars Jul 2015 #28
DonCoquixote Jul 2015 #31
Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #41
sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #61
azmom Jun 2015 #3
Divernan Jun 2015 #8
azmom Jun 2015 #9
HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #5
NorthCarolina Jun 2015 #10
Divernan Jun 2015 #11
Nitram Jun 2015 #12
Sheepshank Jul 2015 #42
azmom Jul 2015 #44
Sheepshank Jul 2015 #50
tblue37 Jul 2015 #46
Sheepshank Jul 2015 #51
NYC Liberal Jun 2015 #13
Divernan Jun 2015 #14
NYC Liberal Jun 2015 #16
Divernan Jun 2015 #17
NYC Liberal Jun 2015 #20
Divernan Jun 2015 #23
quickesst Jul 2015 #30
Left coast liberal Jun 2015 #15
Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #18
Divernan Jun 2015 #19
artislife Jul 2015 #25
Marrah_G Jun 2015 #21
Divernan Jun 2015 #22
tblue37 Jul 2015 #47
AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #45
Divernan Jul 2015 #48
AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #49
Divernan Jul 2015 #54
George II Jul 2015 #53
Divernan Jul 2015 #57
beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #24
BainsBane Jul 2015 #26
Divernan Jul 2015 #34
BainsBane Jul 2015 #35
BainsBane Jul 2015 #36
eridani Jul 2015 #27
Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #32
Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #33
Luminous Animal Jul 2015 #38
Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #55
dsc Jul 2015 #37
kenn3d Jul 2015 #39
Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #40
Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #43
George II Jul 2015 #52
beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #59
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NCTraveler Jul 2015 #58
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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:16 PM

1. More about the HRC and unpaid internships

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton rolled out a series of programs designed to reduce the youth unemployment rate, but Clinton, herself, is building out a portion of her campaign with unpaid labor.

Clinton’s campaign is establishing a network of grassroots trainees, called “Organizing Fellows,” who are being signed on full-time to work for free. Some, even those who are young professionals with experience in politics, are reportedly being told they need to work without pay for at least the summer months.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-campaign-hires-unpaid-labor-tackles-youth/story?id=31830227


CLASSIC HILLARY - WORDS NOT DEEDS - "ooh, ooh, it's so baaaad not to pay student interns, except when they're interning for MY family "charity" or MY campaign!" And CLASSIC Clinton Foundation allocation of those millions in donations - private jets & 5 star presidential suite accomodations at glittering, celebrity filled "meetings", but squat all for new graduates with student loans - although the received wisdom is that only young people of independent means and without student loan debt can afford to "volunteer" for HRC OR the Clinton Foundation.

(Headline)
Hillary Doesn't Like Unpaid Internships, but Clinton Foundation Sure Does
(Subheadline)
The charity spent $30 million on salaries last year but not one cent on interns, unlike the Ford or Gates Foundations. What gives?


Hillary Clinton may be running for president as a champion for the middle class, but the Clinton Foundation’s interns do not get paid. “Businesses have taken advantage of unpaid internships to an extent that it is blocking the opportunities for young people to move on into paid employment,” Clinton said at UCLA in 2013. “More businesses need to move their so-called interns to employees.”

That doesn’t happen at her own business, the Clinton Foundation that Bill started in 2001.
The foundation goes through about 100 interns each summer, with slightly less during the school year. Summer interns volunteer 30 to 40 hours a week, while interns who work during a college semester may work 25 hours. The most some interns receive is a $2,000 stipend for a four-month period, and that depends on financial need.

Paying them all New York’s minimum wage of $8.75, for instance, would cost a fraction of the foundation’s budget, which spent $29.9 million (PDF) on employee salaries, compensation, and benefits for about 2,000 employees worldwide in 2013.

“There is no section of the Labor Law that exempts ‘interns’ at not-for-profit organizations from the minimum wage requirements,” a New York Department of Labor handout clarifies (PDF). Unlike for-profit corporations, nonprofits in New York are allowed to employ unpaid volunteers. Unpaid volunteers can’t be required to work certain hours though (Foundation interns are), and they cannot be compensated in any way except for reimbursement for expenses (some Foundation interns get stipends).


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/04/30/hillary-doesn-t-like-unpaid-internships-but-clinton-foundation-sure-does.html

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Response to Divernan (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:25 PM

4. The owner of Univision is a big Clinton donor.

It's a big $$$$$$$ club.

It's fucking disgusting.

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Response to Divernan (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 05:33 AM

29. How disappointing for a true fan nt

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:22 PM

2. Curious--Do other declared candidates pay their interns? fellows? Both

parties.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:55 PM

6. Last campaign, HRC paid top dollar for positions she now pays zip.

In her 2008 run for president, her campaign had the highest starting salaries for those positions among top-tier Democratic candidates. In early 2007, a Clinton field organizer could start off making $2750 per month – or the equivalent of $33,000 annually. A similar job with John Edwards paid $2500 a month; Obama paid $2000. This time around she is insisiting that experienced field operatives (not starry eyed student volunteers) work for free.

This year, though, Clinton’s campaign has made a point of being cheap – and not just because it began with a road trip. Employees use personal cellphones and avoid paying for hotels when they travel. Its press team allowed a Washington Post photographer to document campaign chairman John Podesta riding a discount bus from Washington DC to New York for an article published this week.

In fact, many high ranking staffers on the campaign worked for free as “volunteers” for Clinton in the weeks before she formally launched her campaign in early April, in an attempt to wiggle around federal campaign-finance rules which ban an undeclared campaign from paying staff.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/13/hillary-clinton-unpaid-summer-intern-campaign

Democratic frontrunner’s campaign paints a picture of a candidate preaching economic opportunity yet former staffers are taking unpaid summer fellowships. Experienced, adult political operatives who want to do grassroots work for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign currently have no choice but to work as unpaid, full-time interns, raising new questions about how the White House frontrunner runs her own labor force as she prepares to double down on young people’s role in the American economy.The Clinton campaign is currently in the midst of what multiple Democratic sources described as a “hiring freeze” for paid organizing positions in the early campaign states where the former Secretary of State is laying the foundations of a massive national staff, with few if any paying jobs available for field operations.



http://www.commentive.com/the-guardian-us-hillary-clinton-s-unpaid-intern-limbo-a-grassroots-campaign-of-free-help

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Response to Divernan (Reply #6)

Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:18 PM

7. thanks. that article was very helpful

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Response to Divernan (Reply #6)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 05:09 AM

28. but people doing this work benefit in the long run

through connections and resume building -- especially if she wins, when they can either get jobs with the government or that utilize their contacts with others on Team Hillary. it's an investment.

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Response to Divernan (Reply #6)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 07:08 AM

31. Cheap is a sign of weak

After all, if Hillary can raise all these funds, do you think she can at least pay a pittance?

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Response to Divernan (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:08 AM

41. And she's got a huge money advantage too.

 

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Response to riversedge (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:57 AM

61. Why do they need all this structure? They're candidates, people will volunteer

as I will for Bernie Sanders. In every state. Why are interns needed? Monica Lewinsky was an intern, was she being paid? I know her family was wealthy, but if only wealthy interns need apply, then where does that leave those who can't afford to be an intern?

Seems like a very elitist system that needs to be diversified or abolished.

And where do all those billions in donations go? Surely a two billion dollar campaign can afford to at least pay for room and board for their interns?

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:22 PM

3. It's almost a given now, that you have to intern

Before you can get a paying job. It's fucked up.

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Response to azmom (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:18 PM

8. The Clinton Foundations' competitors DO pay interns!

The Ford Foundation offers a paid summer internship program and its website boasts that alumni return to work part-time during the school year and that others have been offered full-time positions. The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation said interns receive a “competitive” monthly salary, subsidized housing and “additional benefits such as use of the foundation’s health clinic and ability to access matching charitable gifts program.”

Courts have historically used six criteria to determine the legality of unpaid internships The Clinton Foundation abides by at least two of them: a mutual understanding about the nature of the arrangement and the idea that an internship is not necessarily a precursor to a job.
What’s not clear, though, is that the foundation derives no immediate advantage from intern activities. After all, someone has to answer emails, send press releases, and collect data on foundation partners.

The Clinton Foundation did not respond to repeated requests for comment.

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Response to Divernan (Reply #8)

Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:24 PM

9. Yes, She should pay.

My larger point is that no intern should have to work for free.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:42 PM

5. I gather the young woman is learning about corporatism.

 

I sympathize with her disappointment. I think Bernie is going to pick up a large percentage of the youth vote.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Thu Jun 25, 2015, 01:29 PM

10. I think the interns are probably more interested in post election "favors"

 

than they are a paycheck.

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #10)

Thu Jun 25, 2015, 02:14 PM

11. That is very true, especially for campaigns for federal level offices.

However, HRC has slickly carried it to unprecedented extremes by

(1) making experienced operatives work for free as if they were inexperienced interns,
(2) Demanding unpaid interns relocate to other states at their own expense, and
(3) by having experienced operatives work for free for months before she officially declared her candidacy - a slick, quasi-legal way around the election rules.

In the grand Clintonian tradition of "It depends on what the meaning of 'IT' is."


In fact, many high ranking staffers on the campaign worked for free as “volunteers” for Clinton in the weeks before she formally launched her campaign in early April, in an attempt to wiggle around federal campaign-finance rules which ban an undeclared campaign from paying staff.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/13/hillary-clinton-unpaid-summer-intern-campaign

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #10)

Thu Jun 25, 2015, 02:50 PM

12. They are also interested in the experience and the line on their resume.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #12)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:13 AM

42. I work in Government and we have lots of unpaid interns

 

they do this for the experience and for the resume. Imagining if Clinton does make POTUS, having that on a resume line would be awesome!!!!

But seriously, for all the whining about paid or unpaid internships, no one is forcing these students other interns to take the job.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #42)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:21 AM

44. The fucking system is forcing students

To take internships. It's almost a requirement for a job now. Students have enormous debt. They can't afford to intern for free. Many do, but not working class kids. It puts an undue hardship on the students and their parents. I know, I'm one of them. If you have the money, pay the interns.

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Response to azmom (Reply #44)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:42 PM

50. so are you complaining about Bernie, Hillary or the entire system?

 

if you are complaning about this one drop in an ocean, perhaps you should be asking Bernie to change the "fucking" systemic problem of unpaid interns.

FWIW The reality here in these office is that we don't actually need any new emplyees, but some students WANT the work experience and the recognition of work experience in a particular environment for their resume. THEY want the experience, THEY ask for that, THEY decide how long they intern for, how many hours in a day they have to spare. THEY benefit from free OJT and job experience and networking. We've had some interns that are here shadowing 2 hours a day 2 days a week. This is no and has never been a replacement for any other employment. We try to accomodate their school and other work schedules to give them the "resume line" that may make the difference when they do graduate from school.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #42)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:24 PM

46. This is like saying no one is forcing poor kids to join the military--when that is the only

chance they have for steady work and an opportunity to go to college.

I am appalled, frankly--not just at the exploitation of young people, but also at the sheer stupidity of the tactic. Talk about bad optics! It is just one more unforced error that calls her judgment into question.

And if this was set up by operatives without her paying attention, that would be just as bad, because one of her greatest weaknesses is that she chooses inappropriate advisors and then clings to them even after they have proven disastrous.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #46)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:44 PM

51. see post #50 and decide who you are mad at and affect the change

 

but it would be nice to actually know who you are railing on about, and how they are the systemic problem. Lets be sure the argument is being fairly applied to all campaigns, all volunteers and internship across the board.

Remember no one is forcing any unpaid intern to apply. The reality here in these office is that we don't actually need any new emplyees, but some students WANT the work experience and the recognition of work experience in a particular environment for their resume. THEY want the experience, THEY ask for that, THEY decide how long they intern for, how many hours in a day they have to spare. THEY benefit from free OJT and job experience and networking.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Thu Jun 25, 2015, 02:58 PM

13. What's the pay look like for the Sanders and O'Malley campaigns?

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #13)

Thu Jun 25, 2015, 03:05 PM

14. You're free to check it out!

I'm sure if it were as hypocritical as HRC's campaign, her crack researchers would have publicized it already, right? My OP link was to a disillusioned HRC supporter's experience. I certainly have heard and read nothing about other candidates ordering "volunteers" to relocate to other states at their own expense.

But while you're here, and since you care enough to ask about other campaigns, are you allowed to share your personal view of HRC's non-pay policies - even to experienced political operatives. Since a good number of the unpaid "fellows" are female, how does this tie into her "feminist" credentials and her call for equal pay for women? Would she call that equal non-pay for women?

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Response to Divernan (Reply #14)

Thu Jun 25, 2015, 03:17 PM

16. The only thing I see on Sanders' website is about volunteering — that means free.

I certainly have heard and read nothing about other candidates ordering "volunteers" to relocate to other states at their own expense.


Who, exactly, was "ordered" to do anything?

But while you're here, and since you care enough to ask about other campaigns, are you allowed to share your personal view of HRC's non-pay policies - even to experienced political operatives. Since a good number of the unpaid "fellows" are female, how does this tie into her "feminist" credentials and her call for equal pay for women? Would she call that equal non-pay for women?


They should be paid if it is, for all intents and purposes, a job.

I would still like to know what the other two candidates pay for internships or similar positions.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #16)

Thu Jun 25, 2015, 03:27 PM

17. They sure as hell can't pay any LESS, can they?!? LOL

If you really want to know, call up or email the Guardian reporter and ask! I'm not your personal investigator, and I'm limited to what is published in the press.

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Response to Divernan (Reply #17)

Thu Jun 25, 2015, 04:26 PM

20. In other words, you don't care if other candidates are doing the same.

This is purely about criticizing Hillary -- not concern about unpaid internships.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #20)

Thu Jun 25, 2015, 05:55 PM

23. I don't care about doing your oppo research for you!

Do your own oppo research, buddy! The only way you can think of to support your candidate is to demand others prove a negative!?!

Here's how it works, kiddo! If Hillary's the only candidate taking specific actions, she's the only one who's open to criticism in regard to those actions.

Just generally speaking, the two major complaints about unpaid internships are: First, that equal work deserves equal pay; and second, that unpaid internships exclude those of lower economic status.

Here's a very telling point of contrast between Senator Sanders and HRC. Barely 1/3 of U.S. Senators pay their interns. Senator Sanders pays his interns. At this link, you will see his Senate interns, by name and dates of internship, and amounts paid.
https://www.legistorm.com/member/460/Sen_Bernie_Sanders/195.html

By contrast:
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/04/309977-hillary-says-she-opposes-unpaid-internships-apparently-her-foundation-disagrees/

Hillary Clinton is on record as being opposed to unpaid internships, but her opposition apparently doesn’t apply to the Clinton Foundation’s interns. During a speech at UCLA in 2013, Hillary said:

“Businesses have taken advantage of unpaid internships to an extent that it is blocking the opportunities for young people to move on into paid employment. More businesses need to move their so-called interns to employees.”

But, unlike the Ford Foundation and the Gates Foundation, the Clinton Foundation does not always pay its interns.

As reported by The Daily Beast:

The foundation goes through about 100 interns each summer, with slightly less during the school year. Summer interns volunteer 30 to 40 hours a week, while interns who work during a college semester may work 25 hours.

The most some interns receive is a $2,000 stipend for a four-month period (That would be $500 a month), and that depends on financial need.

Paying them all New York’s minimum wage of $8.75, for instance, would cost a fraction of the foundation’s budget, which spent $29.9 million on employee salaries, compensation, and benefits for about 2,000 employees worldwide in 2013.

Clinton, according to her would-be employees, has left full-time organizers with little choice but to criss-cross the country and work as “free help”.

The Guardian has identified at least five “Organizing Fellows” on Clinton’s current field team in Iowa alone who held paid positions on national political campaigns during the 2014 midterm elections.

“People with campaign experience with a cycle under their belt are being kind of held in this limbo position,” said one experienced campaign staffer who turned down a Clinton fellowship.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/13/hillary-clinton-unpaid-summer-intern-campaign

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #20)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 06:03 AM

30. Bingo

In a nutshell.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Thu Jun 25, 2015, 03:10 PM

15. Wow, that kinda sucks! WTF?

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Thu Jun 25, 2015, 03:46 PM

18. Wow. It's not like she can't afford it with all that Wall Street cash sloshing around

 


Someone should start a petition to shame her into paying her workers.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #18)

Thu Jun 25, 2015, 04:02 PM

19. She's only hired independently wealthy "volunteers".

And it's that social class of people which will fill up her administration.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #18)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 03:50 AM

25. Well she learned how to pay employees at Wal Mart. nt

 

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Thu Jun 25, 2015, 05:35 PM

21. How does one afford to live on an unpaid internship?

Or are they just for rich kids to make connections?

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #21)

Thu Jun 25, 2015, 05:52 PM

22. Exactly - rich kids only need apply.

Unpaid internships exclude those of lower economic status.

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Response to Divernan (Reply #22)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:28 PM

47. This creates a class bubble of the sort that repelled and infuriated us in Romney's campaign. nt

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #21)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:38 PM

45. Internships are not meant as a means of support

 

They are for experience.

I did an unpaid internship as part of my degree and it didn't kill me.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #45)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:30 PM

48. HRC forced experienced campaign operatives, not students to work for free.

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Response to Divernan (Reply #48)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:40 PM

49. She forced them?

 

At gun point, or with some minor threats?

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #49)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 05:52 PM

54. The classic, slick, lopsided Clinton quid-pro-quo

Experienced, adult political operatives who want to do grassroots work for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign currently have no choice but to work as unpaid, full-time interns, raising new questions about how the White House frontrunner runs her own labor force as she prepares to double down on young people’s role in the American economy.

Clinton’s camp has made headlines about its frugality and a hard sell on its fellowship program, which allows aspiring politicos between the ages of 18 and 24 to spend this summer as full-time campaign volunteers. The result, however, is the human-resources reality of a campaign – one scheduled to hold at least 26 fundraisers this month alone – that isn’t just taking on college students with political science degrees but expecting political veterans to gamble their careers on her without pay.
“People with campaign experience with a cycle under their belt are being kind of held in this limbo position,” said one experienced campaign staffer who turned down a Clinton fellowship.


The staffer, who asked not to be identified for fear of risking future job prospects, said they were aware of former colleagues being “asked to move out to a certain place under the auspices of getting a job and no guarantee”.

Multiple political organizers and fair-wage advocates painted a picture of a candidate preaching economic opportunity while putting prospective employees in a bind: former campaign staffers are taking unpaid fellowships from now into August, with hopes of securing a job they expect to consist of almost the same responsibilities that they handle as fellows – only with the addition of a pay check and benefits.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/13/hillary-clinton-unpaid-summer-intern-campaign

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Response to Divernan (Reply #48)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:51 PM

53. FORCED? Were they chained and housed in cages?

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Response to George II (Reply #53)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 06:23 PM

57. As per reply 54 above:

I don't expect you to have any response other than fixating on my use of the term "forced". Let me say this about that, and I'm borrowing Hillary's favorite phrase when she's caught using the wrong term. "My choice of words may have been inartful." But you know what's going on here. The "interns" have to sign an agreement that acknowledges they have not been promised any paid position in return for their free labor, but "nudge/nudge/wink/wink" as reported herein, they are "given to understand" that no-free-summer-work/no possibility of paid employment with the remainder of the campaign.

‘It’s wrong’(subheadline)
The use of free but experienced labor may be a little-discussed wrinkle in a frugal campaign, but when told by the Guardian that so many experienced staffers were turning down paid work to intern with Clinton for free, fair-wage advocates pointed to immediate concerns about ethics, class and political double-speak.

“If Secretary Clinton wants to show she’s serious about economic opportunity for young people, that has to start with her campaign,” said Mikey Franklin of the Fair Pay Campaign.
“It’s wrong that they are not paid because they are giving their labor and labor should be compensated,” he said.

Franklin said the entire concept of an unpaid campaign fellowship program had raised wage issues dating back to the Obama campaign. Now, however, with fellows doing work “of value to the Clinton campaign which would otherwise be done by paid staff” and with “set hours, set responsibilities and a clear chain of command,” her operation had effectively blurred the lines between the privileged and the politically hopeful.

“If you need to work for free to get your foot in the door with the Clintons, you have be from a wealthy family,” said Franklin.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/13/hillary-clinton-unpaid-summer-intern-campaign


Now we all know that corporations luv, luv, luv to get them some freebie interns. But us progressives object to it. And while Hillary luvs, luvs, luvs to proclaim what a champion she is for women, and how women deserve equal pay with men, the solution is NOT to pay both men and women zip.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 03:44 AM

24. Pretty SLICK indeed.

I hear Bernie pays his interns more than minimum wage, isn't that awful?

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 04:07 AM

26. Clinton's payroll records

http://www.fec.gov/fecviewer/CandCmteTransaction.do

Payroll begins on p. 44 if you sort alphabetically by purpose. You can see exactly what the campaign paid every single staffer during that quarter.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #26)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:09 AM

34. Crap link: Requested Information Not Found We're sorry we were unable to process your request. Plea

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Response to Divernan (Reply #34)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:21 AM

35. WTF, do your own search via that FEC link

Hillary Rodham Clinton, campaign for Democratic nomination. Sort accordingly. There are well over 100 pages of payroll records. Tonight Sanders asked for volunteers to run organizational efforts in the states. Clinton is employing people, paying them wages, for those positions in the states.

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Response to Divernan (Reply #34)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:26 AM

36. Here is the link to her FEC filings

http://www.fec.gov/fecviewer/CandidateCommitteeDetail.do?candidateCommitteeId=P00003392&tabIndex=1

You should be able to figure out how to sort the data. If for some reason it doesn't open up to Clinton's filings, simply do a search under her name and look for the filings for president, Democratic nomination.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 04:22 AM

27. Is this essentially a volunteer position?

Nothing wrong with that, but if it is usually paid. that isn't so good.

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Response to eridani (Reply #27)

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 01:12 PM

32. Interns aren't really volunteers though. They usually need an internship for school credit.

 

A lot of times they do a lot of work and get nearly nothing out of it except a few school credits.

Actually I would say most of the interns are actually paying to be there. And the campaigns and parties also sometimes have relationships with professors who channel the unpaid interns into the campaigns to work for free.

Internship-industrial-complex

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:02 AM

33. Some people seem to think interns are the same as volunteers.

 

In the context of Hillary not paying interns.

Interns are not volunteers. Interns are workers.

They are not free to go home when they feel like it. They have to show up on time and accept assigned work tasks. Otherwise they can lose their internship, and possibly fail the internship, get a bad grade and lose their financial aid. An intern is a worker who doesn't get paid.

A volunteer is free to come and go as they please. These are very different roles.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #33)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:34 AM

38. Yep. In every field that I've been involved with, an internship means class credit and a commitment

in order to receive that credit.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #33)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 05:55 PM

55. According to redditt interns in campaigns are not paid.

The key word is interns. Most presidential candidates don't pay their interns at all so 12 is huge. Also I would like to point out that he is raising money without the help of super pacs. So most of his donations are from the average guy. He needs every dollar that he gets to run his campaign, so the fact that he pays them at all surprises me.

If he had more money to spend then they would probably be paid $15

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/3ecnks/anyone_else_bothered_that_bernie_only_pays_his/

In fact I have not found any evidence Bernie pays his interns. Whatever argument for Hillary should be paying interns, so should Bernie.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:27 AM

37. So let me get this straight in regards to Ramos?

When a thread about the fact Scirota himself worked for Bernie we were told in no uncertain terms that the fact is did was irrelevant in evaluating what he wrote. We had no business at all knowing that fact. Now the fact Ramos' daughter works for Hillary is corrupt as Hell. I guess the rule is if a person has a penis then hiring him and having him write stuff is A OK. But if the person doing the hiring and the person being hired doesn't have a penis then all bets are off. Nice to know what the rules are.

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Response to kenn3d (Reply #39)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:22 AM

40. "Is Hillary Clinton mis-classifying her employees so she doesn’t have to pay them? "

 

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Response to kenn3d (Reply #39)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:17 AM

43. kind of shocking

 

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 04:50 PM

52. This story has been dormant for over a month, so............let's resurrect it AGAIN!

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Response to George II (Reply #52)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:24 PM

59. Just wondering where all the outrage from HC supporters was over a month ago.

It seems to be bottomless now that they found out Bernie only pays his interns $12/hour and 80-90% of their health insurance.

It's the hypocrisy, George.



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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 06:16 PM

56. Bookmarking another.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 06:37 PM

58. This ranks up there with....

 

This ranks up there with the "Hillary Beats Up Old Man" op.

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:32 AM

60. In my opinion workers should be paid including interns.

 

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Response to Divernan (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:51 PM

62. K & R

 

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