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DFW

(54,365 posts)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 11:21 AM Apr 2015

I just made my first contribution of the 2016 presidential campaign season

I sort of feel like I'm starting to do my Christmas shopping in July, but that's what we've become.

I sent a modest three-figure contribution to Bernie Sanders, whom I do not by any means expect to be our nominee. What I DO expect, however, is that his voice will be a strong one for some social justice that has been sorely under-supported by members of Congress these days (Sanders and Warren excepted, with Al Franken and a few others with lower profiles deserving of honorable mention). Bernie is coherent, and fearless, as he has nothing to lose by this. He's not saying anything he hasn't been saying all the time--but this time, a lot of people will listen that haven't listened before. That's what I intend for my contribution to facilitate. When the nominee is decided, I'll contribute what I can at that time. As another post noted, Bernie is not a blithering idiot. I make my own feeble attempts to follow that example.

If I were still a full-time resident of the USA, I expect that I'd be seen as "voting against my own interests," a phrase we usually use to describe teabaggers voting for their families to drink polluted water and be deprived of medical care. In my case, it would be a financial hit, as I would pay more in taxes. Boo hoo. In Germany, I'm already at slightly over 50% with none of the benefits that a German citizen would get, and I'm still not starving.

But "my own interests" include being able to say I come from a country that has seen the light as far as caring for both the rights and the well-being of all its citizens. As this is not the case so far, I'd like for that to change. I'm sure Hillary or Martin O'Malley (or whoever) will champion a few causes I care about, too, and we would commit national suicide to not support our nominee, whoever it ends up being. But I want a voice in what that nominee's voice will be saying. That nominee might or might not, depending on who it is, get an earful from me. That nominee will definitely get an earful from Bernie Sanders, so I contribute so that he can speak for me.

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I just made my first contribution of the 2016 presidential campaign season (Original Post) DFW Apr 2015 OP
Bernie does bring a lot of issues to the table... Blanks Apr 2015 #1
He's explicitly ruled out running as an Independent. gcomeau Apr 2015 #3
Good for him... Blanks Apr 2015 #5
No offense to you... tazkcmo Apr 2015 #4
None taken... Blanks Apr 2015 #6
When the smoke clears after Bernie Sanders announcement, INdemo Apr 2015 #7
I see A LOT of enthusiasm on this board for Senator Sanders' announcement BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #2
He cares for us and seems so honest. A refreshing 840high Apr 2015 #8
I like that he has a long record to examine BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #10
Hugs to you. ty 840high Apr 2015 #11
Backatcha BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #14
Same here, DFW ! mike dub Apr 2015 #9
I'll send $40 - 840high Apr 2015 #13
Awesome, 840high! mike dub Apr 2015 #17
I'm in as well! countryken Apr 2015 #12
I signed up to volunteer and gave my own 2 figure contribution. It actually feels good. Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #15
I want him to win, Jamaal510 Apr 2015 #16
He'll be something like 75 in 2017 DFW Apr 2015 #18
That's another thing Jamaal510 Apr 2015 #19
I'm in a similar situation davidpdx Apr 2015 #20
I'm back in DC often enough, still have friends in Congress, so I care. DFW Apr 2015 #21
so did I Robbins May 2015 #22

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
1. Bernie does bring a lot of issues to the table...
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 12:21 PM
Apr 2015

I hope he doesn't choose to run as an independent if he doesn't get the nomination though.

If anyone is gonna do that I would hope it would be Ted Cruz or Rand Paul. We don't need anyone watering down the liberal/progressive vote.

Clinton never would have won in 1992 had it not been for Perot.

 

gcomeau

(5,764 posts)
3. He's explicitly ruled out running as an Independent.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 01:17 PM
Apr 2015

He has stated he has no intention of being a spoiler that splits votes on the left and hands the White House the the GOP.

He's not Nader.


http://inthesetimes.com/article/17572/bernie_sanders_president

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
5. Good for him...
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 01:22 PM
Apr 2015

Robert Reich has been talking about the need to bring up the issues that Bernie champions, so it is good to see.

We also have to keep in mind that the senate will most likely be controlled by democrats after the 2016 election, so we will need leadership there pushing the legislation that Bernie and Warren are always talking about.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
4. No offense to you...
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 01:19 PM
Apr 2015

Really sick of reading this in people's posts: "I hope he doesn't choose to run as an independent..."

Senator Sanders is on record saying that no matter what he does, run as a Dem, Indy, bathe late at night, eat crackers in bed, etc, he WILL NOT aid or abet the GOP in regaining the WH. Period. If there's a politician who's words you can trust, it's this man's. He has a proven track record.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
6. None taken...
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 01:27 PM
Apr 2015

I didn't know, I've been skipping all the threads discussing such things because I'm pretty sure he's not gonna win the nomination.

I see him on TV and he says all the right things, but we live in a country where the tallest, handsomest person has a huge statistical advantage, that's not Bernie.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
7. When the smoke clears after Bernie Sanders announcement,
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 01:48 PM
Apr 2015

both Hillary (Republican lite) and the Tea Bagger Republicans running will fear him...

Lets see how key Democrats in Iowa begin to talk (if the media picks that up) and I believe we will all be surprised after the first (honest) poll is taken

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
2. I see A LOT of enthusiasm on this board for Senator Sanders' announcement
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 12:48 PM
Apr 2015

I see there are a lot of us who want a principled leader. Before I was supporting his ideas, not thinking he had a chance really. But now I see that is internalized propaganda. I think we should reevaluate what we really think about Bernie's chances. We will have to do the heavy lifting, talking to our friends and neighbors, our coworkers and anyone who will listen. As you say, his record is entirely consistent so there is no need to feel like it's a sales pitch.

We do need a short and sweet answer for "what is the difference between a Socialist (as Fox throws up pictures of Stalin--not that anyone knows who that is anymore) and a Democratic Socialist. That is going to be the big fear word.

I'm hoping there are some great people working on his camp who can get all his great statements and legislative accomplishments out in a coherent, easy-to-consume way. There is a lot because he has been fighting the good fight for a long time.

I'm going to have people start with his statements on the Iraq War. He gets it so very right because not only does he oppose the war on the grounds that's it's not justified, he pivots to talking about how we should be focusing on our troubles domestically. It's stunning.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/video/flashback-rep-bernie-sanders-opposes-iraq-war

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
10. I like that he has a long record to examine
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:04 PM
Apr 2015

I'm posting this everywhere and I'll post it here. It's worth a watch because it shows, there was someone who knew and spoke up against the Iraq War, who spoke up and said we shouldn't go, who didn't fall for political pressure because lives were at stake and it's too important to send kids to war just for political power. In 2008, that was the reason that a lot of people voted for Obama, because of his speech. Well here's his statements to the House. People need to see that Bernie has been right most of the time. That alone is a good way to start talking about candidate Sanders.

Sound is bad, but there is a transcript. Short and sweet.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/video/flashback-rep-bernie-sanders-opposes-iraq-war

mike dub

(541 posts)
9. Same here, DFW !
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 01:59 PM
Apr 2015

...I made my first contribution of the 2016 campaign season, last night! ...donated 45 bucks to Bernie Sanders!

countryken

(114 posts)
12. I'm in as well!
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:17 PM
Apr 2015

If Bernie's message resonates and makes the presidency possible, that's great. If it serves as an education to the American voters, that's great. If he simply draws Hillary to the left, and she is elected, well, that's okay too.

I see no downside to this. Let the public conversation begin. Let the voice of the people be heard!

I made my contribution and ordered my bumperstickers today.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
15. I signed up to volunteer and gave my own 2 figure contribution. It actually feels good.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:21 PM
Apr 2015

My donation and time are going to support the advancement of my agenda. They're going to support what I actually believe in. For the first time in my life I'm making a political donation with no compromises.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
16. I want him to win,
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:50 PM
Apr 2015

but to echo what you said, I don't expect him to (and he probably doesn't, either). While I'm fine with HC overall, it doesn't hurt to have more options and an extra voice in the debate. Maybe with him running, he'll bring up some economic stances that are good for the country, but aren't yet part of the mainstream, so that more people might get better used to a REAL socialist running.

DFW

(54,365 posts)
18. He'll be something like 75 in 2017
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 05:40 PM
Apr 2015

I don't think he even really wants to be put inside the Oval Office at that age.

He has something to say, and this is the best way to be heard. He is no Nader.

I think Nader really didn't care if Bush won or not in 2000. Bernie cares PLENTY that no Republican wins next year.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
19. That's another thing
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:11 PM
Apr 2015
I think Nader really didn't care if Bush won or not in 2000. Bernie cares PLENTY that no Republican wins next year.

I respect about Bernie. Unlike RN and his 3rd party peers, Bernie looks at the big picture. He gives healthy criticism of Democrats, but doesn't resort to false equivalence and isn't afraid to point out who the real culprits (the GOP) of this country's problems are.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
20. I'm in a similar situation
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 07:48 AM
Apr 2015

I've been overseas for 11 years now and will most likely support Sanders in the primary since I still can vote in US elections. It is great that O'Malley and Sanders are running, but I don't expect either to win the nomination. I just hope they can hold on long enough to give Clinton somewhat of a run for her money.

As for the GE I've already pledged not to campaign or donate to Clinton if she is the nominee (given I'm outside the US neither of those matter much). Whether I will hold my nose and vote for her, I may only decide at the last possible minute.

DFW

(54,365 posts)
21. I'm back in DC often enough, still have friends in Congress, so I care.
Thu Apr 30, 2015, 08:02 AM
Apr 2015

I will give whatever I can to our nominee whoever it is, since I find even the hint of a chance of a Republican picking the next SCOTUS members about as appealing as drinking water from a fracking site. Hillary as president wouldn't faze me in the slightest if the alternative is Bush regurgitated (or worse). I can't campaign from here, of course. I doubt Düsseldorf has many more polling places than Seoul. HRC seems to be one of those few politicians who seems MORE comfortable in a small situation than addressing a crowd, where Bill and Obama are in full bloom when they have a crowd in front of them. I never met Reagan, but my dad told me he was awkward and uncomfortable in a small setting. Must have been all those years in front of the camera with a script. I never met Bernie Sanders, although I hear he's like Howard Dean--exactly the same in person as on camera, i.e. the real thing. Must be the way maple syrup affects New Yorkers who move to Vermont. But on a one-on-one, I actually like Hillary.

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Of course, on a one-on-one basis I even like Richard Viguerie, and he's the Prince of Darkness politically, so don't take my personal tastes as a measure of character

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
22. so did I
Fri May 1, 2015, 09:31 AM
May 2015

I am 41 year old disabled white guy on SSI,Medicaid,food stamps,and housing and engery assistance.

With my SSI In bank today I donated 10 dollors to the sanders campagin and have set up a roating contribution monthly.

I have voting democrats since i became elgable to vote In 1992.

during contested primarys I have supported Gore In 2000,Dean In 2004,and Obama In 2008 and now Sanders for 2016.

Bernie Sanders has record of fighting for social safety net.Second tax breaks for top 1% and free trade deals are killing the 99%
Sanders has never voted for a free trade bill From 1991 to present and isn't owned by top 1%.He voted against both Iraq wars.Last
thing we need is to get involved in another land war In Iraq.And he supports the attempt to reach deal with Iran.Besides guess who
would pay for more war.certinly not rich.Those on social safety net.He is also for civil rights even when they are not popular.He
voted againt DOMA.

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