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LetTimmySmoke

(1,202 posts)
Tue May 15, 2012, 05:55 AM May 2012

With Ron Paul exiting, now would be a good time for Obama to evolve on cannabis prohibition

Mitt Romney is already on video here:



This is a prime opening for the Obama campaign if the president were to evolve on the issue and draw a contrast with Romney.
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With Ron Paul exiting, now would be a good time for Obama to evolve on cannabis prohibition (Original Post) LetTimmySmoke May 2012 OP
+1 limpyhobbler May 2012 #1
Disgraceful that big pharma wins on this one - even with the prez. polichick May 2012 #2
No it's not Gman May 2012 #3
+1 Jamaal510 May 2012 #7
explain why you think it's a losing issue.. frylock May 2012 #9
Jeebus... what do you think??? Gman May 2012 #24
that poll i posted trumps your gut feeling.. frylock May 2012 #25
LOL! Oh Yeah! That's a winner alright Gman May 2012 #26
it was a rasmussen poll.. frylock May 2012 #28
What evidence do you have ZombieHorde May 2012 #31
How about the fact that I can think and reason???? Gman May 2012 #34
So, no evidence then? ZombieHorde May 2012 #36
there's zero evidence to support that claim.. frylock May 2012 #38
Okay. It's a promise the President can't keep. sofa king May 2012 #39
It's ok. If the limb breaks, we can just blame it on the Gays. bigwillq May 2012 #15
Why would you want to do that? Gman May 2012 #23
I don't. bigwillq May 2012 #32
I don't know why anyone would want to blame gays Gman May 2012 #33
Somehow I don't believe that the "single-issue" supporters of Paul will zbdent May 2012 #4
Teabaggers aren't racist. A teabagger told me so. nt DCKit May 2012 #5
The Paul supporters that are single issue on this Forward2012 May 2012 #20
Unequivocally NO! Proud Liberal Dem May 2012 #6
Excellently stated. Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #8
Plurality Of Americans Support Legalizing And Taxing Cannabis frylock May 2012 #10
There's still not going to be many politicians Proud Liberal Dem May 2012 #11
The OP is trying to point out that there are literally tens and tens of people who are still Romney grantcart May 2012 #13
I don't think he should strongly push it - TBF May 2012 #17
I really think this would be a losing issue for him. musicblind May 2012 #12
you would certainly feel different typing that post from a computer in the prison library.. frylock May 2012 #14
Legalize pot jambo101 May 2012 #16
my guess is that he will 'evolve' on this in the second term, but not in this campaign WI_DEM May 2012 #18
With Ron Paul exiting, now would be a good time to quit propping up the fantasy Blue_Tires May 2012 #19
I disagree strongly. Tack as closely to Romney as possible on this issue; do what he does. Romulox May 2012 #21
Not a good time for "No Drama Obama" to start any sheee-it. Major Hogwash May 2012 #22
Right. People DO NOT want to see any contrast with Mitt. Just copy Romney! nt Romulox May 2012 #27
Well, he is the first gay President. Major Hogwash May 2012 #29
I'd settle for decriminalization Hippo_Tron May 2012 #30
Isn't evolve just another word for flip-flop? agravan May 2012 #35
There's two things you are allowed to evolve on. LetTimmySmoke May 2012 #37

frylock

(34,825 posts)
25. that poll i posted trumps your gut feeling..
Wed May 16, 2012, 06:21 PM
May 2012

and if typing jeebus is your idea of providing an explanation, then it's no wonder your so deeply confused over the issue.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
26. LOL! Oh Yeah! That's a winner alright
Wed May 16, 2012, 06:43 PM
May 2012

Fortunately, Obama would sooner endorse Plutonium for breakfast. It's about as big a winner and both are radioactive. That's the real world. Not some poll from NORML. He's gone out enough on a limb, thanks.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
28. it was a rasmussen poll..
Wed May 16, 2012, 07:25 PM
May 2012

you can't even get your facts in order and you want to lecture me about the "real world" ffs. gallup also cites a poll with 50% approval. there's your real fucking world.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
31. What evidence do you have
Thu May 17, 2012, 12:10 AM
May 2012

for suggesting medical marijuana would not be a good issue for President Obama to embrace?

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
36. So, no evidence then?
Thu May 17, 2012, 03:08 AM
May 2012

There is some evidence that championing medical marijuana could benefit President Obama's campaign, as posted earlier.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
39. Okay. It's a promise the President can't keep.
Thu May 17, 2012, 03:21 PM
May 2012

Congress controls the legalization of cannabis, the President only oversees enforcement of the policy.

So the President can run on it, but he can't do a thing about it unless a majority of Members of Congress in both the House and the Senate support it and tacit support from the opposition (ahem, Republican Senators) is achieved.

That is mathematically improbable in this election year, because there is almost no way that the Democrats can pick up enough seats to have a supermajority in the Senate.

If we run on it now, it's a guaranteed loser. Republicans will easily be able to block it and the promise can't be kept, and that's if the plank doesn't break the party in two and smack us in the back of the head.

But it's looking like an awfully attractive issue in the 2014 mid-term elections, when a supermajority in the Senate is within striking distance and a broad special-interest group like stoners can exert exceptional influence by turning out in otherwise low-interest elections.

If they can get their shit together and show Democrats that stoners will register and vote. That will require a network of lobbyists, marketers and campaign workers, so put down the bong and hop to it. Two and a half years is not long at all in politics.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
32. I don't.
Thu May 17, 2012, 12:29 AM
May 2012

Seemed like you do though.

Sorry Obama went out on a "limb".
It was about damn time if you ask me.

I apologize if that's not what you meant in your post above. It just reads that way to me.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
33. I don't know why anyone would want to blame gays
Thu May 17, 2012, 01:36 AM
May 2012

but he's way out there on a limb politically by taking this stance. Overall, it likely won't matter on election day in November. The politics can change in a flash.

zbdent

(35,392 posts)
4. Somehow I don't believe that the "single-issue" supporters of Paul will
Tue May 15, 2012, 08:56 AM
May 2012

support Obama for his "single-issue" that they make such a fuss about ...

quite often, those "single-issue" voters use that "single issue" to hide all their other B.S. that they don't actually want to admit they support ...

 

Forward2012

(14 posts)
20. The Paul supporters that are single issue on this
Wed May 16, 2012, 11:40 AM
May 2012

are, overwhelmingly, young voters. So is it worth it to win over a small amount of young voters?

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,402 posts)
6. Unequivocally NO!
Tue May 15, 2012, 10:42 AM
May 2012

I can see a push for it to be legalized sometime in the future but there's no political benefit to President Obama to endorse the idea and, frankly, it would be more likely than not to backfire on him. It's also just not that pressing an issue to a lot of people at the moment.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,402 posts)
11. There's still not going to be many politicians
Tue May 15, 2012, 05:41 PM
May 2012

going on the record to actually advocate for it, least of all a major-party candidate for POTUS. Besides, what did his support of legalization do for Ron Paul?

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
13. The OP is trying to point out that there are literally tens and tens of people who are still Romney
Tue May 15, 2012, 09:49 PM
May 2012

supporters, even after the Presidents latest statements on equality in marriage, and that he could pick them all of, all of them.

TBF

(32,041 posts)
17. I don't think he should strongly push it -
Wed May 16, 2012, 08:51 AM
May 2012

but surely he could re-direct his justice department into focusing on actual crimes. There are banks they could look at for example ...

musicblind

(4,484 posts)
12. I really think this would be a losing issue for him.
Tue May 15, 2012, 08:59 PM
May 2012

I mean if he wanted to take that position I would support him.

But I don't feel any urgent need to legalize pot.

It doesn't feel the same as civil rights.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
14. you would certainly feel different typing that post from a computer in the prison library..
Tue May 15, 2012, 09:58 PM
May 2012

people rotting in prison for possession isn't a civil rights issue?

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
18. my guess is that he will 'evolve' on this in the second term, but not in this campaign
Wed May 16, 2012, 09:52 AM
May 2012

and it's probably not a good idea if he did at this time.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
19. With Ron Paul exiting, now would be a good time to quit propping up the fantasy
Wed May 16, 2012, 11:33 AM
May 2012

that he ever gave a shit about cannabis legalization in the first place...Seems like Paul's college-age fans were bigger believers in this than he ever was (and he cleverly did nothing to make them think otherwise)

Romulox

(25,960 posts)
21. I disagree strongly. Tack as closely to Romney as possible on this issue; do what he does.
Wed May 16, 2012, 03:24 PM
May 2012

That's the only "sensible" approach, right now.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
22. Not a good time for "No Drama Obama" to start any sheee-it.
Wed May 16, 2012, 05:34 PM
May 2012

You know, like saying he doesn't see anything wrong with gays getting married.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
29. Well, he is the first gay President.
Wed May 16, 2012, 08:17 PM
May 2012

Newsweek says so.

"Now who can argue with that?" ~ Blazing Saddles

LoL

That was the funniest damn video I ever saw here.

Hippo_Tron

(25,453 posts)
30. I'd settle for decriminalization
Wed May 16, 2012, 11:24 PM
May 2012

Just go back to punishing it with the equivalent of a traffic ticket, like we did before the 1980's. Stop using federal law enforcement to crack down on it and stop sending people to prison for it. If outright legalization is too touchy of a subject with this and that demographic, and he's worried about being perceived as condoning drug use, I get that, and that's a battle we can fight another day.

But changing the way we deal with pot is just common sense.

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