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egbertowillies

(4,058 posts)
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 01:53 PM Aug 2014

Obama slams reporters Right Wing adopted talking point as bogus and wrong


This weekend a lazy seemingly gullible reporter asked President Obama if he regretted not leaving troops in Iraq. That is a question based on Republican talking points and not journalistic inquiry. The reporter should have known that the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement was signed by President Bush which specifically said all combat troops would leave Iraq in December of 2011. President Obama attempted to negotiate keeping more soldiers in Iraq but could not come to an agreement with the Iraqi government who wanted the soldiers out.

President Obama’s response to the reporter was classic. He slams the reporter’s tenet without raising his voice.

"What I just find interesting is the degree to which this issue keeps on coming up, as if this was my decision. Under the previous administration, we had turned over the country to a sovereign, democratically elected Iraqi government. In order for us to maintain troops in Iraq, we needed the invitation of the Iraqi government and we needed assurances that our personnel would be immune from prosecution if, for example, they were protecting themselves and ended up getting in a firefight with Iraqis, that they wouldn’t be hauled before an Iraqi judicial system.

And the Iraqi government, based on its political considerations, in part because Iraqis were tired of a U.S. occupation, declined to provide us those assurances. And on that basis, we left. We had offered to leave additional troops. So when you hear people say, do you regret, Mr. President, not leaving more troops, that presupposes that I would have overridden this sovereign government that we had turned the keys back over to and said, you know what, you’re democratic, you’re sovereign, except if I decide that it’s good for you to keep 10,000 or 15,000 or 25,000 Marines in your country, you don’t have a choice — which would have kind of run contrary to the entire argument we were making about turning over the country back to Iraqis, an argument not just made by me, but made by the previous administration.

So let’s just be clear: The reason that we did not have a follow-on force in Iraq was because the Iraqis were — a majority of Iraqis did not want U.S. troops there, and politically they could not pass the kind of laws that would be required to protect our troops in Iraq."


President Obama then explains the reality that attempting a military solution for a socio-political problem in Iraq or any country is in fact ‘doing stupid stuff’.

"Having said all that, if in fact the Iraqi government behaved the way it did over the last five, six years, where it failed to pass legislation that would reincorporate Sunnis and give them a sense of ownership; if it had targeted certain Sunni leaders and jailed them; if it had alienated some of the Sunni tribes that we had brought back in during the so-called Awakening that helped us turn the tide in 2006 — if they had done all those things and we had had troops there, the country wouldn’t be holding together either. The only difference would be we’d have a bunch of troops on the ground that would be vulnerable. And however many troops we had, we would have to now be reinforcing, I’d have to be protecting them, and we’d have a much bigger job. And probably, we would end up having to go up again in terms of the number of grounds troops to make sure that those forces were not vulnerable.

So that entire analysis is bogus and is wrong. But it gets frequently peddled around here by folks who oftentimes are trying to defend previous policies that they themselves made."

http://egbertowillies.com/2014/08/12/obama-iraq-analysis-bogus-and-wrong/
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Obama slams reporters Right Wing adopted talking point as bogus and wrong (Original Post) egbertowillies Aug 2014 OP
Thank you for the video and transcript. Well said. freshwest Aug 2014 #1
Gee, one would think our president would realize any reporter working for a right-wing indepat Aug 2014 #2
I'm sure Obama realized that -- and realized that the question would give him an opportunity. Jim Lane Aug 2014 #4
I didn't use the indepat Aug 2014 #8
And thanks for posting from your channel. Will be checking the rest of your uploads. freshwest Aug 2014 #3
Uh-oh, he said "folks" again Jim Lane Aug 2014 #5
It's also a left wing talking point. progressoid Aug 2014 #6
kick Hekate Aug 2014 #7
We thank the idiotic reporter asking the question Sheepshank Aug 2014 #9
Won't matter one iota Cosmocat Aug 2014 #12
This AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #10
Spot-On, Mr. President! Martin Eden Aug 2014 #11
Republicans and their media friends hope people have short memories Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2014 #13

indepat

(20,899 posts)
2. Gee, one would think our president would realize any reporter working for a right-wing
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 02:18 PM
Aug 2014

media outlet would certainly get all right-wing talking points raised during any interaction.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
4. I'm sure Obama realized that -- and realized that the question would give him an opportunity.
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 02:40 PM
Aug 2014

It was because that reporter was called upon and asked that stupid question that Obama was able to respond to what the right-wingers and chickenhawks and Bush apologists have been saying.

He gave a great answer.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
8. I didn't use the
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 04:04 PM
Aug 2014
thingy thinking we all knew the president would welcome any opportunity to rub right-wing noses in their own malicious hypocrisy.
 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
5. Uh-oh, he said "folks" again
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 02:43 PM
Aug 2014

This time he applied the word to his critics, "who oftentimes are trying to defend previous policies that they themselves made."

He could reasonably have gone with "war criminals" instead, but I guess "folks" is shorter and less incendiary.

progressoid

(49,951 posts)
6. It's also a left wing talking point.
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 02:51 PM
Aug 2014

Duers et. al. oft times sing his praises for getting us out of Iraq. Yet...

"What I just find interesting is the degree to which this issue keeps on coming up, as if this was my decision. Under the previous administration, we had turned over the country to a sovereign, democratically elected Iraqi government."


Yes, that is interesting

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
9. We thank the idiotic reporter asking the question
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 04:04 PM
Aug 2014

for it gives Obama one more (very visible) platform in which to explain the reality...and not the banality of made up shit.

Cosmocat

(14,559 posts)
12. Won't matter one iota
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 06:36 PM
Aug 2014

It is a detailed explanation of the facts of the situation.

Given the choice between that and some three word right wing quip like "leading from behind" repeated 1,000,000 times the American public goes with the second choice 999,999 out of 1,000,000 times ...

Martin Eden

(12,847 posts)
11. Spot-On, Mr. President!
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 05:12 PM
Aug 2014

What he said should be glaringly obvious to any person who is even moderately informed. When so-called journalists and political talking heads suggest otherwise, one of the following is behind it:
1) They really are that ill-informed.
2) They are trying to spread a false narrative or have a much greater interest in perpetuating political controversy than informing their viewers.

#2 is very much consistent with the sorry state of "journalism" in America today. Controversy attracts viewers and sells advertising, facts be damned.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
13. Republicans and their media friends hope people have short memories
Wed Aug 13, 2014, 01:30 AM
Aug 2014

most of the public don't know what has been going on and republicans like to feed untruths. Obama should keep slamming them but he also needs back up from Democrats.

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