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Fri Aug 8, 2014, 04:35 PM

This time we need a DRAFT and a WAR SURTAX

Listening to the media and Senator Feinstein (close links to Israel) calling for a full blown military involvement in Iraq and Syria (boots on the grounds), one must ask what was the cost and what was the gain after ten years in Afghanistan and ten years in Iraq!

The cost for the two wars is $6 Trillion plus over 6,500 military deaths, over 150,000 wounded, over 100,000 Iraqis killed, thousands homeless plus $1 Trillion for heath care to those PTSD veterans who served four to five tours in both wars.

Actually, the invasion of Iraq (immoral, unnecessary and illegal based on lies) was not a declared war but a military action.

Afghanistan was a declared war when Bush demanded that the Taliban hand over Osama bin Laden and expel al-Qaeda. The Taliban requested that bin Laden leave the country, but declined to extradite him without evidence of his involvement in the 9/11 attacks. Bush refused to negotiate and launched Operation Enduring Freedom on 7 October 2001 with the United Kingdom.

The US involved itself in a cultural and civil war, losing all the bases it built in both countries and the billions lavishly spent on buying influence.

Now there is a growing cry in the media and by both Repugs and Dems to escalate the military involvement by the US in Iraq and Syria against ISIS, which would involved us again in a fundamentalist religious and civil war. And all for religion!

Frankly, the USA is a warmongering country with a large established military contractor base that needs to use the bullets, missiles and bombs in its inventory. It has been involved in a war, assassinations, coups, invasions, in every single year since our Declaration of Independence was signed in practically every country in the world.

So at age 75, I'm a guy who watched this country involve it self in wars every single year since I was born in 1939, just before WWII and I am frankly yawning about getting involved in this situation.

The only caveat I have is this:

The war must be paid for in CASH, not on the credit card as Bush did with Afghanistan and Iraq tacking $6 TRILLION to our national debt.

The military war must be fought by all types of our civilian population of young men, with a fairly administered DRAFT, without exemptions like Bush and Cheney received. No more use of the National Guard and Contractors like Black Water.

The war must be paid as it goes through a SURTAX on every citizen who voted for Bush and Cheney, since they are directly responsible for the current situation in Iraq. And an additional Surtax on every Household and every non-profit particularly churches.

Then I say go for it. Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran too!

Zwyziec, the pessimist.

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zwyziec Aug 2014 OP
bluestateguy Aug 2014 #1
msongs Aug 2014 #2
upaloopa Aug 2014 #3
zwyziec Aug 2014 #7
upaloopa Aug 2014 #8
zwyziec Aug 2014 #9
AndyTiedye Aug 2014 #10
Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #4
gateley Aug 2014 #5
Chan790 Aug 2014 #6
AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #11
Abouttime Aug 2014 #12
blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #13
TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #14
Joe Magarac Aug 2014 #15
bigwillq Aug 2014 #16
dmosh42 Aug 2014 #17

Response to zwyziec (Original post)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 04:38 PM

1. I guess those of us who oppose the wars still have to pay the tax and are fair game for the draft

Sounds fair to me

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Response to zwyziec (Original post)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 04:41 PM

2. and generals should lead the charges in front, not from desks hundreds of miles away nt

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Response to zwyziec (Original post)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 04:58 PM

3. I'll go for the draft if you personally

promise every DUer on this board for the next week that you will go to your local Marine or Army recruiter and volunteer for as many tours in Iraq that you can get. Or else STFU!
That comes from a Vietnam war draftee.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #3)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 05:26 PM

7. Like you, I served my country for

Six years in the US Navy. And I protested every week for years in the sixties and seventies against that other immoral war that you served in. Were you drafted or did you go willingly, buying the government speak about bringing democracy to an illiterate, impoverished country and containing communism.? Have you noticed how the country of Vietnam ended up. It's communist and we're doing business with it.

You fail to see the point of this idea. If the hawks like McCain, et al, want to take this country into Iraq, again, they know that the people (you and me and countless others) will not tolerate a war where only the poor, felons, minorities are recruited and sent to die. By demanding a draft, our "leaders" will not be as willing to take the country to war. They saw what happened when draftees were bring brought home in body bags from Viet Nam.

And the idea of a Surtax is just as unappealing to everyone especially to those that could afford it!

We have to remember what General Smedley Butler famously said...."War is a Racket"

I am Peace. Period.

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Response to zwyziec (Reply #7)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 05:45 PM

8. No I don't fail to see the point.

The reason the Vietnam war lasted as long as it did was because of the draft.
None of us has the right to send a kid to fight and die in a war of convenience.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #8)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 05:59 PM

9. The reason the Viet Nam war ended was due to the.....

Draft.

There will never be another war with a draft. And maybe, just maybe, that means there will never be another war like Viet Nam and Iraq and Afghanistan and Korea and the Persian Gulf War and the Bosnian War and the Military Intervention in Libya and the ......

Start talking about a draft and the war hawks will fly away.

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Response to zwyziec (Reply #9)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 10:14 PM

10. The Vietnam War Went on for over 10 Years

They ended the draft in 1973. The war ended 2 years later when the cannon fodder ran out.

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Response to zwyziec (Original post)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 05:02 PM

4. A draft just makes it easier to go to war.

Since you have the cannon fodder you need.

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Response to zwyziec (Original post)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 05:05 PM

5. Not sure how much support she'd get for this --

we have so few "boots" to put on the "ground".

Is she the only one calling for this?

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Response to zwyziec (Original post)

Fri Aug 8, 2014, 05:21 PM

6. Yeah...no.

 

On all of it.

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Response to zwyziec (Original post)

Sat Aug 9, 2014, 01:02 AM

11. Sorry, but no draft. Not for this. nt

 

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Response to zwyziec (Original post)

Sat Aug 9, 2014, 09:10 AM

12. Tax them!

 

Make the republicans pay for their foolishness, they should be taxed at a much higher rate.

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Response to zwyziec (Original post)

Sat Aug 9, 2014, 07:14 PM

13. I'm waiting for the day this happens ...

 




Citizens reporting to disintegration chambers after being "hit" by computer simulated "bombs."
From the Star Trek episode "A Taste of Armageddon."

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Response to zwyziec (Original post)

Mon Aug 11, 2014, 11:46 AM

14. How about a rousing chorus of go fuck yourself and your war for proponents

combined with running the pols who order them out on a rail with extreme prejudice?

Maybe a ban on war profits, do it at cost or go to jail for 20 years and a trillion dollar fine? Don't have that? Whatever assets you and your shareholders have will do.

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Response to zwyziec (Original post)

Mon Aug 11, 2014, 12:50 PM

15. I'm too old to be drafted, but I was a draft dodger way back when.

 

If there is another draft, I will help young people dodge it.

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Response to zwyziec (Original post)

Mon Aug 11, 2014, 09:06 PM

16. No, thank you (nt)

 

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Response to zwyziec (Original post)

Tue Aug 12, 2014, 10:51 AM

17. A draft with NO exemptions or objectors!

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