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Wed Mar 12, 2014, 10:26 PM

West unfairly 'demonize' Putin, Russian president best partner for US – Stephen Cohen



American professor Stephen Cohen in his article "Distorting Russia," shares his opinion about real image of Putin and the current situation in Ukraine and Russia. Cohen thinks that Putin was the best potential partner the US had anywhere in the world to pursue its national security.

Putin literally saved Obama's presidency in Syria's issue this August. Putin and Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov had been in the shadows pushing Iran to open a conversation with the United States, because Obama's been under pressure to attack Iran too. Not to mention the fact that Russia facilitates the supply of about 60 percent of the material going to NATO and American forces fighting in Afghanistan.


Stephen Cohen, a professor emeritus at Princeton and NYU has been widely derided as a Putin apologist. Cohen says he is the real American patriot and those who are pressing President Barack Obama and the European Union to counter the Russians in Crimea are a danger to the US national security.

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_13/West-unfairly-demonize-Putin-Russian-president-best-partner-for-US-Stephen-Cohen-1824/

The GOP war mongers could get the real thing, not just a cold war if they don't shut up and let the grown ups do the thinking, not the far rights newest talking point not pumped in by the Koch Bros Cato Institute.

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Reply West unfairly 'demonize' Putin, Russian president best partner for US – Stephen Cohen (Original post)
mitty14u2 Mar 2014 OP
MADem Mar 2014 #1
arendt Mar 2014 #2
MADem Mar 2014 #3
arendt Mar 2014 #5
MADem Mar 2014 #7
arendt Mar 2014 #21
MADem Mar 2014 #22
arendt Mar 2014 #23
MADem Mar 2014 #24
MBS Mar 2014 #16
phleshdef Mar 2014 #4
arendt Mar 2014 #6
karynnj Mar 2014 #18
MADem Mar 2014 #8
geek tragedy Mar 2014 #9
dionysus Mar 2014 #10
LuvLoogie Mar 2014 #11
steve2470 Mar 2014 #12
joshcryer Mar 2014 #13
davidpdx Mar 2014 #14
geek tragedy Mar 2014 #19
davidpdx Mar 2014 #20
FSogol Mar 2014 #15
Nitram Mar 2014 #17

Response to mitty14u2 (Original post)

Wed Mar 12, 2014, 10:33 PM

1. What utter horse shit. Putin is insane.

That doesn't mean we need to get into a shooting engagement with him.

With any luck, he'll keel over dead. He's obviously in a post-middle aged crazy cycle, with the facelift and the hair transplants and the wife dumping and the new girlfriend...I wonder if he doesn't have syphilis; he's acting like someone whose brain is being eaten away. He can keep isolating himself if he'd like; he'll start to understand what it means to be "barely tolerated."

I hope he likes the view of the G-7 from his Kremlin perch.

This article is garbage. It's not even a quality translation.

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Response to MADem (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 12, 2014, 10:53 PM

2. NO facts; just invective and insults. Nothing to respond to. n/t

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Response to arendt (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 12, 2014, 11:00 PM

3. Yes, that article is nothing but a piece of propaganda; a screed. Complete crap. nt

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Response to MADem (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 12, 2014, 11:02 PM

5. Right. Stephen Cohen is a propagandist. I'm sure Harvard will be shocked to hear it. n/t

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Response to arendt (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 12, 2014, 11:16 PM

7. They won't be shocked at all--in that half-baked, piece of shit article, it says he is "widely

derided as a Putin apologist." PRO TIP: "Derided" isn't a nice word.

And why would HARVARD care? He doesn't teach there. He's an emeritus (that means he's a doddering old guy who ain't working there no-mo) from Princeton and NYU.

At least read the piece of garbage propaganda article that you're purporting to defend.

I can't help but notice this tool doesn't touch the homophobia/human rights abuses with a ten foot pole. Screw him, and shame on anyone who defends or champions him.

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Response to MADem (Reply #7)

Sun Mar 16, 2014, 10:37 PM

21. The level of dismissive hatred you casually throw around has no place at DU

Cohen is well known in both Russian and American circles. He is a close personal friend of former Soviet Pres. Mikhail Gorbachev, advised former U.S. Pres. George H.W. Bush in the late 1980s, helped Nikolai Bukharin's widow, Anna Larina, rehabilitate her name during the Soviet era, and met Joseph Stalin's daughter, Svetlana.[citation needed]

Since 1998, Cohen has been professor of Russian Studies and History at New York University, where he teaches a course titled "Russia Since 1917." He previously taught at Princeton University. He has written several books including those listed below. He is also a CBS News consultant as well as a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.

- Wikipedia, Stephen F Cohen


At DU, we supposedly value the facts and scholarship; but you show no respect for a scholar's life work. (Doddering old guy.) He has information valuable enough to have been consulted by Bush Senior, and valuable enough to be a member of the hardly liberal Council on Foreign Relations. And he appears on CBS, which network is often vilified for spouting government and rightwing propaganda. He helped rehabilitate a major Russian poet who was trashed by Stalin. These are not the acts of the left-wing strawman you have created to serve your need to abuse someone.

Which of those facts do you object to? Don't want to rehabilitate the victims of Stalin's purges? Don't like to see some balance in the slanted coverage on CBS? Don't want to be seen as agreeing with Bush Senior and the CFR - both of whom love this Ukrainian coup? BTW - if you don't get it, that is exactly the kind of guilt by negative association that you are throwing around.

And against his life of scholarship you have to offer what? All you have displayed is apoplectic hatred and insults. You have nothing but the latest two-minute hate that you rip and read from neocon central. Orwell was talking about people like you.

Get a grip, and stop slandering public figures that you can't hold a candle to.


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Response to arendt (Reply #21)

Sun Mar 16, 2014, 11:02 PM

22. Bull right back at you, and stop defending the indefensible. It's not "hatred" -- it's called a

moral center, and plainly you lack one if you can keep cheerleading for that horrific bully that is Putin, and excuse anyone who defends him.

You are 'sticking up' for a doddering old fool who is defending a homophobic bigot who attacks his neighbors and steals their territory.

YOU get one of those grips, and do it soon-- and stop defending someone who cheerleads for a cretinous dictator who epitomizes everything that is NOT progressive values.

And do what you want with that halfassed little candle you're holding. But don't hold it up for a thug, unless you want to be forever associated with that sort of person. Slander? You slander yourself when you mouth off in defense of bigotry.

Feh. I "dismiss" anyone who can excuse Putin's conduct. As does anyone who gives a shit about what you apparently regard as silly little things-- like equality and rule of law. You should be ashamed of that halfassed screed. Take it to Fox News--that kind of shit is selling well on that channel.

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Response to MADem (Reply #22)

Mon Mar 17, 2014, 07:54 AM

23. I'm defending Cohen, an honest scholar, not Putin; but...

you are so into guilt by association that you can't see that distinction. In your vision of "freedom", once you have decided person A is bad, anyone who puts some historical context around person A automatically becomes the enemy. In your vision, you are the decider; and you have decided that Cohen is evil and, by extension, anyone who defends him is evil. His biography does not matter, his life's work does not matter. You have decided. I bow to you omniscience, NOT.

Let me use your own guilt by association logic on you. Why are you defending the neocon warmongers and torturers? It is their agent provocateur, Vicki Nuland, who manufactured the coup AFTER the democratically elected president had already agreed to move up elections.

According to INTERCEPTED phone calls (not the bullshit propaganda that has you so worked up), the EU commissioner was informed that it was some false flag snipers who shot both sides to cause trouble. And do you think neocon Nuland knew nothing about that while she was out there passing around cookies to these neo-fascists?

Notice that I have yet to say one word about Putin, because he entered the game AFTER the neocons had already started the violence.

For the last time, no one is defending Putin. That is a fig leaf to cover the hard on you have to have yet another war for oil, which 95% of Americans oppose, and to provoke the nuclear armed Russians by planting NATO on their border.

I am tired of paying for neocon wars that do nothing to help America, and everything to coarsen the poltical debate (which is exactly what you are doing, you neocon tool.) and make enemies all over the world for America.

It is laughable for neocons to invoke the rule of law, given the black-site/Abu Gharib torture, serial coup attempts in Venezuela, and civil wars the neocons have been involved in since 2000.

Your words are simplistic, black and white propaganda. I don't expect you to stop being a neocon propagandist. Uber neocon, Dick Cheney, set the mold: if there is a 1% chance someone (Professor Cohen) might hurt us, take them out.

I'm just here to say stop trashing people who fail to agree with you 100%. You could have allies, instead you are making enemies for yourself. But, that is the nature of neocon-ness.

BTW, given what I just said, this discussion is over from my end. Continue to rant and rave all you want.

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Response to arendt (Reply #23)

Mon Mar 17, 2014, 09:41 AM

24. In one brief sentence, you are defending a defense of a murdering despot.

As for "ranting and raving" you might want to check your mirror.

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Response to MADem (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 13, 2014, 07:29 AM

16. + 1 n/t

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Response to mitty14u2 (Original post)

Wed Mar 12, 2014, 11:02 PM

4. LOL what? Putin saved Obama's Presidency?

 

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Response to phleshdef (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 12, 2014, 11:11 PM

6. Once in Syria, and maybe again with Iran.

Obama can't control the neocon burrowers in his administration - as is demonstrated AGAIN by Victoria Nuland (husband of uber-neocon, Robert Kagan) who basically stage managed the Kiev protests, vetted a bunch of anti-semitic street thugs for cabinet posts in the new government, and did photo ops with the demonstrators WHILE the democratically elected president was still in office.

Our ambassador to another country was openly plotting with violent demonstrators.

And Obama just let it happen, AGAIN.

He keeps getting suckered into situations that could lead to shooting wars by neocons and neocon-lites like Hillary, who was all gung ho to attack Syria. Putin gave him not only a diplomatic way out; he actually made that civil war more contained and much more conventional.

I am sick of paying for neocon wars that do nothing to help democracy, but a lot to help our military industrial complex and the stable of dictators we have around the world.

I think Obama wants to end the wars in general, but nobody, except Putin, has given him a hand in dealing with the neocons.

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Response to arendt (Reply #6)

Thu Mar 13, 2014, 08:10 PM

18. Obama and Kerry had been pushing Russia to push to get chemical weapons out

of Syria for months before the massive use in August. Putin had no interest THEN in doing this. It was the potential that the US could attack that moved him to respond -- and then only after Kerry spoke of it publicly. Russia, as an ally of Syria had the leverage that was needed to do this. You might want to look at Kerry's and Lavrov's words when they first met -- you will see the final plan met the goals KERRY set out.

As to Iran, Obama quietly opened indirect communications with Iran to see if there was any chance for diplomacy -- something he called for in 2008!

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Response to phleshdef (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 12, 2014, 11:17 PM

8. Yeah, where's the UNREC button? This is trash. nt

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Response to mitty14u2 (Original post)

Wed Mar 12, 2014, 11:22 PM

9. cohen is delusional. Putin did not save Obama's presidency. Jesus how idiotic nt

 

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Response to mitty14u2 (Original post)

Wed Mar 12, 2014, 11:51 PM

10. jesus, what blatant propaganda.. surely this is a joke of some sort...

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Response to mitty14u2 (Original post)

Thu Mar 13, 2014, 12:03 AM

11. Read Cohen's original article, not the Voice of Russia summary

The original article is a discussion on conducting foreign policy based on a distorted view of Russia whether via bad intelligence, bad reporting or propaganda.

http://www.thenation.com/article/178344/distorting-russia#

--Any doubts about the Obama administration’s real intentions in Ukraine should have been dispelled by the recently revealed taped conversation between a top State Department official, Victoria Nuland, and the US ambassador in Kiev. The media predictably focused on the source of the “leak” and on Nuland’s verbal “gaffe”—“Fuck the EU.” But the essential revelation was that high-level US officials were plotting to “midwife” a new, anti-Russian Ukrainian government by ousting or neutralizing its democratically elected president—that is, a coup.

Americans are left with a new edition of an old question. Has Washington’s twenty-year winner-take-all approach to post-Soviet Russia shaped this degraded news coverage, or is official policy shaped by the coverage? Did Senator John McCain stand in Kiev alongside the well-known leader of an extreme nationalist party because he was ill informed by the media, or have the media deleted this part of the story because of McCain’s folly?

And what of Barack Obama’s decision to send only a low-level delegation, including retired gay athletes, to Sochi? In August, Putin virtually saved Obama’s presidency by persuading Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to eliminate his chemical weapons. Putin then helped to facilitate Obama’s heralded opening to Iran. Should not Obama himself have gone to Sochi—either out of gratitude to Putin, or to stand with Russia’s leader against international terrorists who have struck both of our countries? Did he not go because he was ensnared by his unwise Russia policies, or because the US media misrepresented the varying reasons cited: the granting of asylum to Edward Snowden, differences on the Middle East, infringements on gay rights in Russia, and now Ukraine? Whatever the explanation, as Russian intellectuals say when faced with two bad alternatives, “Both are worst.”--

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Response to LuvLoogie (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 13, 2014, 01:16 AM

12. I've never seen this information

The now exceedingly dangerous confrontation between the two Ukraines was not “ignited,” as the Times claims, by Yanukovych’s duplicitous negotiating—or by Putin—but by the EU’s reckless ultimatum, in November, that the democratically elected president of a profoundly divided country choose between Europe and Russia. Putin’s proposal for a tripartite arrangement, rarely if ever reported, was flatly rejected by US and EU officials.


Does anyone have confirmation of this, in addition to the Nation piece ?

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #12)

Thu Mar 13, 2014, 03:27 AM

13. Timing is important. The tripartite offer was before EU deal.

Putin offered but demanded that it happen before the EU deal, allowing him to basically set the terms for the EU deal. Instead what Putin did was bribe Yanukovych with $15 billion in order for an EU deal to be completely scrapped and to make it more enticing he stopped extorting Ukrainian gas.

The tripartite deal was never serious. Let EU do its deal then you do your deal or as Russia did, beat EU to the punch and take EU off the table. Hell, even if it was serious they could've still allowed the EU to deal but the deal took the EU out of the equation.

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Response to mitty14u2 (Original post)

Thu Mar 13, 2014, 06:49 AM

14. Anyone who believes this shouldn't be on DU

Putin literally saved Obama's presidency in Syria's issue this August

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #14)

Thu Mar 13, 2014, 08:50 PM

19. Anyone who believes that Putin saved Obama's presidency, I have a bridge

 

in Alaska to sell you.

Putin saved Obama's presidency.

Puh-leaze.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #19)

Fri Mar 14, 2014, 03:14 AM

20. I agree

Unfortunately there are people on DU who are naive enough to believe it.

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Response to mitty14u2 (Original post)

Thu Mar 13, 2014, 06:56 AM

15. Unrec. The Russian propaganda sure is thick today.

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Response to mitty14u2 (Original post)

Thu Mar 13, 2014, 07:58 AM

17. Putin is an imperialistic autocrat...

...who has possibly diminished democracy in Russia to the point of no return. Putin made the deal in Syria to support Assad, and Obama was smart enough to let Russia's plan succeed or fail on its own merits. Putin took part of Georgia, has taken Crimea, and would like to get a piece of the rest of Ukraine. Putin will use any means at his disposal, military, financial or political to consolidate his personal power, and re-construct the U.S.S.R

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