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Fri Jun 28, 2013, 07:55 PM

North Carolina Just Became The First State To Eliminate Unemployment Benefits

North Carolina highlights the problem with strict austerity measures. They rank the country’s fifth worst in jobless rates and now, N.C. is eliminating unemployment benefits, making North Carolina the first state to take such a drastic measure.

Eliminating unemployment will be heralded by austerity supporters while leaving jobless residents of North Carolina without food and provisions.

http://freakoutnation.com/2013/06/28/north-carolina-just-became-the-first-state-to-eliminate-unemployment-benefits/

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/north-carolina-becomes-first-state-to-eliminate-unemployment-benefits.php?ref=fpb

That is so morally wrong.

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Reply North Carolina Just Became The First State To Eliminate Unemployment Benefits (Original post)
appleannie1 Jun 2013 OP
Turbineguy Jun 2013 #1
Ken Burch Jun 2013 #13
NV Whino Jun 2013 #2
Sherman A1 Jun 2013 #4
DonRedwood Jun 2013 #7
MattBaggins Jun 2013 #15
WovenGems Jun 2013 #16
kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #31
dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #3
kimbutgar Jun 2013 #5
bluemarkers Jun 2013 #18
demwing Jun 2013 #6
Iliyah Jun 2013 #8
bluemarkers Jun 2013 #19
Beacool Jun 2013 #9
mnhtnbb Jun 2013 #27
MillennialDem Jun 2013 #29
kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #32
DRoseDARs Jun 2013 #10
Mr.Bill Jun 2013 #11
Ken Burch Jun 2013 #23
Ken Burch Jun 2013 #12
okaawhatever Jun 2013 #20
Ken Burch Jun 2013 #22
okaawhatever Jun 2013 #24
GoCubsGo Jun 2013 #34
Grassy Knoll Jun 2013 #14
postatomic Jun 2013 #17
okaawhatever Jun 2013 #21
Gin Jun 2013 #28
davidpdx Jun 2013 #25
WhataKnight Jun 2013 #26
Igel Jun 2013 #33
SmittynMo Jun 2013 #30

Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:08 PM

1. Ya know guys?

Sooner or later somebody out there is gonna wanna come and steal your poverty. Better get somebody like Kim Jong Un to run things for you. He knows how to deal with that shit.

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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:23 PM

13. Uh...what?

 

Which side are you on in this?

What does "Better get somebody like Kim Jong Un to run things for you" even mean?

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:10 PM

2. Not just morally wrong

It's a way to start a revolution. There's going to be hell to pay for that move.

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Response to NV Whino (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:31 PM

4. Precisely

This move takes the term "STUPID" to an art form.

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Response to NV Whino (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:05 PM

7. Or they just want them to move to another state...

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Response to DonRedwood (Reply #7)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:42 PM

15. Ding ding.... we have a winner

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Response to DonRedwood (Reply #7)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:46 PM

16. Yea but...

with no resources how does one move to another state?
The money saved will be dwarfed by the amount spent on trials and prisons.

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Response to DonRedwood (Reply #7)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 10:49 AM

31. That's exactly what they want. This is part of "starving the beast" -

 

in this part they stop providing social benefits and tell the poor and disadvantages they will just have to move to someplace that has benefits.

They want to bankrupt the blue states but sending us all their poor.

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:23 PM

3. NC unemployment rate, April 2013: 8.9%

and we all know that does not count the long term unemployed.
Waht a dumbass move....

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:46 PM

5. When it affects those who vote republican things will hopefully change

As GOP policies take hold and start to affect republican voters then they will vote them out unless Pope and his minions make it harder for poor white people to vote. Then let's get out the popcorn and watch these fox brainwashed heads explode.

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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:55 PM

18. wait till they tax medicine and services

Poor people can't afford doctors and scripts - the white idiots in the rural counties will not be happy about that.

But maybe that will be cut from the tax plan, since it may cost votes.

I want my state back. I'm going to Moral Monday, supposedly it's ticking them off. Having middle aged white folks protesting wasn't in Art Pope's grand plan of demagoguery.

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 08:48 PM

6. At some point, two things will happen

 

1. There will be popular revolt
2. The Federal Gvt will take measures against states that cause the revolts

I wonder how long a republic can stand with such pressures from above and below?

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:09 PM

8. All the NC GOPers have to say

with fake news back up is "Its that Kenyan Socialist Fascist Nazi Muslim Obamacare death panel and weather controller's fault" and their base will blindly vote against their own interest.

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #8)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 11:02 PM

19. we held out until the last election ...

All y'all have to remember we went thought the much ballyhooed Edward's trial... Gov Easely had some issues too. The party was pretty beaten up over those two things.

I'm hoping, praying that we will win our state back. North Carolina has a unique history that does not parallel that of the deep south. Many will do what you say, but others will be mad that they were lied to.

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:11 PM

9. This is beyond depressing, it's immoral.

What are people supposed to do? How are they going to pay their bills and put food on the table? Are they supposed to slowly starve or become criminals and steal?

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Response to Beacool (Reply #9)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 08:35 AM

27. Yes, and it's just one of the reasons for the Moral Monday protests

that have been gaining in numbers/arrests since they were started about two months ago
and have gained national/international attention.

http://www.naacpnc.org/

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Response to Beacool (Reply #9)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 09:08 AM

29. They're supposed to beg their local church. They better learn how to say AMEN

 

This is really what the RW thinks.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #9)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 10:51 AM

32. They are supposed to steal, yes, and then they can be put in prison

 

where some corporation will get rich off their incarceration while bleeding the state even drier.

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:13 PM

10. Rome had its bread and circuses. You can't take away the bread and expect people to eat circuses.

 

eom

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:20 PM

11. I guess next they will just pass a law that you must be employed to vote.

I'm sure the Supreme Court will be fine with that.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #11)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 05:12 AM

23. employed and property-owning. n/t.

 

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:22 PM

12. Any surprise that it'd be North Carolina?

 

This is the state where 25 "food processing plant" employees died in a fire because the owners kept the doors locked(and DIDN'T UNLOCK THEM EVEN AFTER THE FIRE STARTED)because they thought preventing chicken nugget pilferage was more important than preserving human life:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet_chicken_processing_plant_fire

I salute all those who resist the hate regime in place in that state. Here's a link where you can learn about the NC Resistance campaign, some of the bravest people I know of:

http://www.chiapusio.org/


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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #12)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 03:13 AM

20. I lived in a town close to there at the time. It was awful. How much do you thiink it would have

cost to put a security guard or a camera at that back door? The whole thing was a shame.

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Response to okaawhatever (Reply #20)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 05:10 AM

22. What really got me was that, according to the Wikipedia entry,

 

The son of the plant owner drove over to the fire department and told them there was a fire, but DIDN'T tell them there were still people trapped inside.

What was the freaking deal? Were they afraid people would steal chicken nuggets DURING the fire? And even if they had, at that point what difference would it have made? The plant was obviously going to be shut down anyway and it's not like any nuggets that survived the damn fire would still have been salable.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #22)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 05:44 AM

24. I didn't even remember that part. I can't imagine it would have taken too much to knock down that

door from the outside after the fire started. Shoot, someone could have driven their car into it.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #12)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 05:51 PM

34. Actually, yes, I am surprised.

This is the kind of shit I expect from my state, South Carolina, which is supposedly the bigger right-wing shithole. I suppose it's just a matter of time before the nutbags in my state legislature some up with something like that, however. Wouldn't surprise me at all if it has already been proposed.

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:26 PM

14. 200 Proof moonshine........

100 proof idiots.

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:47 PM

17. Incredible

And now watch the crime rate in North KKKarolina rise. Of course they'll blame it on something else.

I just don't know what to say. I want my country back.

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 04:01 AM

21. It is only the long term, or extended benefits they're ending. But what's important to note is

that they cut the employers share of unemployment insurance a few years before the recession. Not the employees portion, just the employers. When the recession hit, there wasn't enough in their fund to keep up. They now owe the federal government 2.5 billion. The plan to repay the money originally took until 2018. With this plan, they will have paid it back by 2015. You know, right before a federal election. Campaign issue? They may plan on promoting that they don't owe the fed money on this in the 16 campaign. Also, how did they arrive at the plan? The used the plan the NC Chamber of Commerce proposed. Yep.

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Response to okaawhatever (Reply #21)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 08:51 AM

28. I thought I read this only applied to the long term benefits the fed. Gov. Provided to long term

Unemployed. I hope thats the case and not all UI.

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 08:22 AM

25. Terrible

What's next?

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 08:25 AM

26. This makes no sense

 

I dont' get it, alright cut the number of weeks if you have to but what is the logic of cutting the amount. As far as I can tell things are getting more expensive, not less.

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Response to WhataKnight (Reply #26)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 03:13 PM

33. It does. You don't have to agree with it, but people should understand it.

The links explain it. The words around the links just muddle things.

States collect money for UI.

After 6 months, Federal Unemployement Compensation kicks in.

For FUC, states have to abide by Federal rules. That means no cuts to benefits--otherwise states would cut benefits to make the Feds pay more. That's a no-no.

A few years ago the pot of money for state unemployment payments dried up. Instead of cutting benefits--a big no-no, you'd be "un FUC'ed"--they borrowed $2.5 billion.

Now they have to start paying it back, and that comes from the pot of money for state unemployment benefits. Their original plan was to file for permission to reduce state-paid benefits--not eliminate them--and divert money to pay back the debt. But they wanted to pay back the debt a few years earlier to get out from under the debt and that would make the payments bigger. After all, the economy was going to pick up, the early #s from 2013 said so, the CBO said so, the Fed said so, Obama said so. That's what they wrote into law and procedures. They haven't changed that.

So the state requested permission to cut state-paid benefits. Other states got permission for this. There was no intent on the part of NC to eliminate FUC benefits. But for whatever reason, NC did not get permission. NC has also not backed down on its payment plan.

One thing not even mentioned is whether they'd even have enough money to follow the older, more extended repayment plan withotu raising unemployment insurance rates on employers or employees were they to restore full state benefits. Not a minor point. "Look, they've taken an action to screw the workers" becomes fairly meaningless if "any action they took would have screwed the workers just as much" is just as true.

Note that there was some dust-up back in 2009 or 2010 over precisely this kind of thing: If X happened and a state accepted federal money, one consequence would be they'd have to raise taxes. And conventional wisdom--until late 2009--was that raising taxes during an economic downturn was a bad idea.

So NC has reduced in-state benefits. This will mean sharp reductions in Federal benefits because their benefits reduction plan, unlike others and for whatever reason, wasn't approved. State benefits are not eliminated. And as for eliminating Federal benefits, it's not like it was intended; it's the Fed's (non)decision to do so, and the state walked into it. Perhaps to force the Feds to approve the plan. Perhaps because there was no political will to take the alternate paths to avoid this. Perhaps it slipped under the radar. Hard to say from the OP's links.

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2013, 09:26 AM

30. I recently worked there for a 4 month contract gig.

I will NEVER visit/work in that state again. The ignorance of the people there made me sick to my stomach. 90% of the people I worked with and socialized with thought their shit didn't stink.

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