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Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 05:23 PM Feb 2013

Native American at Anti-Immigration Protest: 'You're All Illegal'

At a rally in Tucson, protesters who were apparently voicing their disdain for illegal immigants got an earful from a Native who may just have reached his breaking point. In the video below, a man with a child in a stroller engages the crowd, and doesn't mince his words:

"You're all fucking illegal!" he says.


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http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2013/02/05/native-american-anti-immigration-protest-youre-all-illegal-147475

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Native American at Anti-Immigration Protest: 'You're All Illegal' (Original Post) Sunlei Feb 2013 OP
big fat kick!. . .n/t annabanana Feb 2013 #1
He's right.. healthnut7 Feb 2013 #2
Look at them all run like roaches from the light. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #3
give that man an eagle feather hopemountain Feb 2013 #4
I love it! meeshrox Feb 2013 #5
LOL I Love this guy. limpyhobbler Feb 2013 #6
k and r and sent to facebook dembotoz Feb 2013 #7
To repeat a phrase I coined... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #8
k and r SHRED Feb 2013 #9
I fucking love that guy! Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #10
K&R nt avebury Feb 2013 #11
Not to be that guy... Lordquinton Feb 2013 #12
You are right, John2 Feb 2013 #19
There isn't much research into who they were Lordquinton Feb 2013 #24
excuse me, hopemountain Feb 2013 #30
You're all Illegal! sheshe2 Feb 2013 #13
All you have to John2 Feb 2013 #14
righteous rant handmade34 Feb 2013 #15
He dispursed of that crowd quickly, Unknown Beatle Feb 2013 #16
The Indians were here first because they had reservations rightsideout Feb 2013 #17
+1 Hoyt Feb 2013 #27
If my great, great grandmother was alive Coolest Ranger Feb 2013 #18
I have only one thing to say sulphurdunn Feb 2013 #20
I donot disagree with you there, John2 Feb 2013 #21
And I do not disagree with you. sulphurdunn Feb 2013 #23
He does have a point. TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #22
I hope they show up at every rally! LeftInTX Feb 2013 #25
Tell it, brother! My, the vermin scattered fast, didn't they? catbyte Feb 2013 #26
Migration and genocide are not equivalent. libdem4life Feb 2013 #28
Awesome and awe-inspiring appacom Feb 2013 #29

healthnut7

(249 posts)
2. He's right..
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:39 PM
Feb 2013

Native Americans were here before anyone else.... Some how people forget that...
Not just in the USA but in Canada as well, except in Canada they are called, "First nations" or ""Aboriginals.
They must just shake their heads as to what they see going on.
Just like the Mexican/Spanish people were also there in many States before they got booted out.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
4. give that man an eagle feather
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:58 PM
Feb 2013

for standing up to the ignorant with bravery and passion.
remembering you in my prayers, brother, for all of our ancestors & and all of our relations now living.

meeshrox

(671 posts)
5. I love it!
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 07:24 PM
Feb 2013

How I admire him for standing up to those protestors and their bigoted puffery. He cleared every last one of them out!

A big K&R!

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
8. To repeat a phrase I coined...
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 07:42 PM
Feb 2013

Everyone wants to be Chief but nobody wants to be Brave.

...and the Brave was a well respected member of the Tribe.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
10. I fucking love that guy!
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 07:45 PM
Feb 2013

He shut them up, too. By the end of the video, they weren't sayin' shit, now were they?

Love that guy. Pure unadulterated awesomeness.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
12. Not to be that guy...
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:03 PM
Feb 2013

But history is a lot more complex than that. Initial Europeans were often welcomed and traded with, and used as mercs by tribes against others. There was no single nation that had borders, just a lot of nomadic tribes, with no cohesion (not trying to diminish what happened, or any cultures) plus there are strong signs that the Indians weren't the first ones here, but whenever a site is found, it gets quickly buried (often literally) by the American Indian counsels.

Also, a lot of people's ancestors had no hand in what went on with the push into reservations and so on, and to say that "It doesn't matter, they're all white Europeans" is just as dishonest, and racist as saying that all American Indians are Apaches.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
19. You are right,
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:34 PM
Feb 2013

it is complex. Some historians have documented the beliefs of those tribes also, which includes their Gods and Culture. There is documented research that these tribes didn't place titles on the land either or believed that any man had the rights to claim it. That is why they migrated from place to place, wherever food was plentiful, like the buffalo. The Indians believed whites destroyed that, especially with the railroad or iron horse. The Indians did not believe in borders. According to some researchers, that is why they accepted the white man at first. So who were these first people if they weren't descendants of the Indians? According to the research that I have seen, the descendants of the Indians migrated from Asia during the Ice Age. So according to this, there is a connection between the Indians and first human inhabitants of America. Those people were nomadic also.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
24. There isn't much research into who they were
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:30 PM
Feb 2013

as site get quickly covered up. As they came here, doesn't that make them illegal too? or do they get exemption because they were first? We all need to live here together, and we need to stop squabbling over who belongs where. We all inhabit this planet, and there is room for us all if we just make it work.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
30. excuse me,
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 03:19 AM
Feb 2013

the original indigenous people of THIS america came up from the earth. ask the hopi. ask the paiute of the sierras where they emerged from? the tubatulabal of the southern sierra, the miwok of the northern sierra these are the peoples from whom we are descended -from whom this brave warrior is descended. my ancestors were created and first lived on the island of limuw off the pacific coast and crossed to the mainland on a rainbow bridge.

you are right about one thing - other "immigrants" for thousands of years came here and took what they wanted and disappeared. evidence of these cultures and their settlements/burials - viking, phoenician, asian, etc - are covered up but by a very strict and tightly guarded academia who call themselves archeologists, anthropologists, and "scientists" who dispute any truth which threatens their power. ha!

sheshe2

(83,324 posts)
13. You're all Illegal!
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:04 PM
Feb 2013

Damn that was great!

You can't take the truth, can you...you Anti-Immigration Protesters. You scatter like the Cochroache's that you are when you hear it!

Shame on you!

Thanks Sunlie, that was one moving video!

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
14. All you have to
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:08 PM
Feb 2013

do is throw facts from history on the rightwing. The Indians welcomed Europeans with open arms until they started to claim everything as theirs. When they say our fathers built something, actually they took it from someoneelse. What goes around can come around. And some Americans descendants were forced to come actually. And to be consistant, they helped in the theft later on. The Buffalo soldiers protected some of their descendants. So he is right, they are all illegal immigrants.

rightsideout

(978 posts)
17. The Indians were here first because they had reservations
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:22 PM
Feb 2013

But I seriously agree with him. We (benevolent gun toting white guys) barged in on their land, killed most of them off and pretty much spoiled their land with our pollution. It's an injustice to see the conditions some of those folks live in today.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
20. I have only one thing to say
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:39 PM
Feb 2013

to that gentleman: Kiss my ass. My great-great grandfather was born here and so has every other member of my family since. I have no intention of ever returning to the British Isles. I'm not British. I'm a native American, and I am not an anti-immigrant hate mongering zealot like that idiot and the flag waving morons he was railing against. My children are native Americans (one of which is a Mayan). I get sick and tired of listening to bitter fuckers like this whine about the past. It doesn't help. It was a great wrong to conquer the aboriginal peoples of the Americas. It never had to be that way. The greater sin, if possible, was sticking the survivors of our attempted genocide on reservations and making no effort to be just toward them, pay them restitution or honor their cultures. It's not too late to do that. It is too late to return the Americas to their original inhabitants. That's never going to happen. Odds are the child in the stroller was at least half a member of another race. Once this man's people have regained their culture and their pride, this kind of pissing in the wind will cease. I don't give a rat's ass whether I'm illegal or not. I'm staying, just like my illegal Latino neighbors and the rest of the 99+percent of non-indigenous population (including those sorry ass teabaggers). There is no past. There is only the present and it leads only into the future.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
21. I donot disagree with you there,
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:57 PM
Feb 2013

but some people have to be reminded of the past to understand you cannot stop the future. The teabaggers are a good example just like many of their fore fathers. This gentleman serves a purpose. The teabaggers are afraid of losing their preferred status and afraid of a changing America. They are afraid of Demographics changing the status quo. President Lincoln said it best when he realized, that you can't change what is destined. They will have to adjust and accept it. It is the leaders of the Tea Party trying to live in the past.

And to go even further into the research, many of these people were not actually wiped out as some may thing that moved into the Americas after the Ice Age. Some of these people inhabited the South American continent as they migrated further South. Many of these people may also have descendants of the first people by mixing with other people. There is a theory in the research known as reverse migration, and that is what you might be seeing now. They migrate where living conditions are preferrable. I also understand, some of their spiritual leaders in their culture predicted this in the future.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
23. And I do not disagree with you.
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:19 PM
Feb 2013

The Tea Party lives in a past that never was. But, I suppose most of us imagine a pass that never was, even our own. I guess what makes me a little crazy is how deadly the future threatens to be and how little the lessons of the past seem to inform it, and how thinking about the past is actually counter productive to the problems the present and the future are presenting to us. There is no precedent for it, at least not on a global scale. Ignorance, orthodoxy and hate won't help get through the next century, regardless of the source. They are weaknesses we can no longer entertain. There is no where to migrate too.

catbyte

(34,169 posts)
26. Tell it, brother! My, the vermin scattered fast, didn't they?
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:46 PM
Feb 2013




Chii meegwetch for the righteous rant!
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