Yes, Democrats are patsies! They've let the GOP get away with vote and election frauds on all

[Cal33]

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levels of government throughout the country since 2000. I don't
think the GOP has won a single election honestly since that time. and
now Democrats are letting them castrate the filibuster reform bill, too -- not
to mention all the other GOP dirty tricks in-between. This is AIDING
and ABETTING in GOP crimes.

Can there really be that many moles among the Democratic ranks
working for the GOP?

Are we helping let evil triumph?

[fredamae]

1. Moles or Partners?

Not that they didn't start Out as representatives of the Dem wing of the Dem party--but that they too, are Not above succumbing to the "Romance of Cash Benefits" for "aiding and abetting" the GOP. Up until now, the Dems have casually and successfully blamed the GOP for the whole of the country's ills--
But the Failure of Filibuster Reform, Who partnered w/Reid & McConnell brings home a nasty and concerning reality--We have been too "forgiving" and need to stop rationalizing away our own Dem Lawmakers actions that feed the GOP agendas!
Regardless of their intent and excuses--the end results/consequence to us are still bad. I have dismissed, excused and/or denied action that Dems could have exercised to Halt GOP actions And bring "it" to us---we forget to check the Roll Call to see how our own vote.

It is time to stop seeing "D's" and "R's", start reviewing the Facts of action around each Lawmaker and accept the reality---we have to vet New candidates and get these people Out of office, regardless of their political affiliation.
For me, this weeks filibuster failure, brought to us by "my/our own" brings with it a whole new awareness.
No more "forgiveness" based on simply putting a "D" by their name...The Dems may not yet realize the Depth of the political Damage and problem with their base yet, but they surely brought it upon themselves. I, personally have no more faith, trust and confidence in the Dem Party. Period.
There are no good guys and bad guys--there are those who perform their jobs with the interests of We, the People as their purpose or they Represent Corporate interests--period. It seems that crystal clear--to me at least.

[forestpath]

2. +1

[Cal33]

3. It looks as though there still are more Dem. politicians who work for all the American people

than there are Republicans who do, although the number seems to be getting smaller and
smaller.

The main interests of sociopaths are money and power over people, and sociopaths lack
the conscience to care about what they do to get them. Government and business
corporations are where much of the money and power are to be found, hence these
institutions attract sociopaths like feces attract flies. The number of sociopaths in
the general population is from 2% to 4%. You can be sure that this percentage is
much, much higher among politicians and corporate executives. The largest numbers
of sociopaths are found in prisons. They usually are the small fry who get caught.

Looking back in history, things have always been this way. Sociopaths never feel they
have enough, they always want more. Hence, history is full of wars. Strong nations
have always tried to take over weak ones. And wars have mostly been caused by
greedy sociopathic leaders.

In the 20th century attempts have been and are being made by nations to behave in a
more civilized manner. Hence the creation of The League of Nations after WWI, and
The United Nations after WWII. Although it seems to be getting weaker and weaker,
The United Nations is still in existence, and still our best hope so far.

War and peace, war and peace, have always followed each other in a vicious cycle.
The problem is that now we have the science and technology that we did not have
in the past. We have reached the point of being able to totally self-destruct. Are we
foolish enough to continue ahead blindly and do it?

[fredamae]

4. I guess the most honest answer

to your question: "Are we
foolish enough to continue ahead blindly and do it?"
It's up to us. I hope not, for sure.

As far as labeling Dems who don't work for us as sociopaths? I'm not there yet, I don't see those behaviors at this juncture or maybe I am still naive' about all the ways it displays?

Good post and you raise valid points.
The only thing I know for sure is; We have to take the Blinders off as we evaluate the job performance of our lawmakers, one and all-Dem/Repub/Indies

[daybranch]

6. I guess the real question is why debate this?

why do we not force all of them to work for the people by stopping gerrymandering, bolstering transparency, and enacting progressive instruments such as petition , referendum and recall at all levels of government? We are starting anew in Ohio to stop this gerrymandering sickness which exists throughout many democrat controlled and republican controlled states alike. Stopping gerrymandering is the American thing to do for our democracy.
We are starting anew in Ohio. You can too. Join us across the nation. Stop Gerrymandering.

[Cal33]

7. Yes, not only gerrymandering, all also all the other Repub. dirty tricks, as soon as they begin. We

should stop them in their tracks early, before any damage has yet been done. But Dems.
are not exactly known to be THAT alert, awake and active.

[fredamae]

10. And Why is that?

I think the answer is something we aren't quite willing to explore?
The answer, however Is important. Whatever the reason, their delays are harmful. "We need to Fix That".

[winter is coming]

5. Not only that, they let their mothers wear combat boots.

[AverageMe]

8. Stop it

We live in a real world, a world where the Republicans may very well control the House until 2020, win the race for president in 2016 (eight years of Democratic president) and have fewer Senate seats up for re-election in 2014 then the Democrats. The Democratic leaders knew they may very well need the filibuster in four years to protect the gains that have been made under Obama.

[fredamae]

12. None of the Filibuster Reforms

took away the filibuster-it restored the talking filibuster and ended the the ability to filibuster Motions To Proceed that prevented the bill to even Get to the floor for a debate.
All politicians understand that.
I must ask, if retaining filibuster rights isn't their concern--then what is? Standing before us-telling us why they filibuster, showing us their facts supporting their reasons--listening to their conclusions as to why stopping/slowing a bill down is right?

[treestar]

9. No they don't "let" the GOP "get away with it"

We are the Democrats. Let's do something rather than sit around whining.

[Cal33]

11. "Lets' do something rather than sit around whining." Okay, but like what? How about starting

a movement to give Reid an ultimatum, to either toughen up the filibuster
reform bill, or resign from the Dem. Senate Leader job. We need a real
Democrat in that position for a change. Let's tell him in no uncertain
terms to either toughen up in general, or step aside. We could do the
same with all the other weakling Dems. in both houses of congress.