If Hillary doesn't run in 2016,

[mykpart]

what about Elizabeth Warren?

[rocktivity]

1. I'm ready

already.




rocktivity

[Xipe Totec]

2. You rock!

[newfie11]

7. That would be AWESOME!!!!! nt

[SugarShack]

3. or the senator from minnesota!

[TeamPooka]

58. Let the Al Franken Decade begin!

[Little Star]

87. He'd also make a good VP pick.

[redstatebluegirl]

4. Yes!

[ELI BOY 1950]

5. NO NO NO

Hillary is our girl...
Thinking that any other woman could be the president is nuts...Warren is a first term senator...NO CHANCE

Let's wake up DU

[LiberalElite]

8. Obama was a first term senator, no?

[MrSlayer]

14. Yeah but he also had prior elected experience.

It wasn't like he just grabbed a Senate seat and then abandoned it and ran for Pres.

I'm a fan of Warren, at least of her rhetoric anyway, we need to see what she actually does, but I think it's too late in the game for her to build the resume necessary to be President.

[Tx4obama]

18. But Obama also was a State Senator for 8 years, and...

... and when Obama attended Columbia University he majored in political science with a specialty in international relations.

So, comparing Warren to Obama doesn't really work.

[Creideiki]

29. I agree 1000%. Comparing Warren to Obama doesn't really work

But I think we come to completely different conclusions.

[fleur-de-lisa]

10. I think Sec. Clinton may have something to say about that . . .

Oh, wait. She did. Multiple times. She said she's not running.

And I think she might object to being called a 'girl'.

[mythology]

28. I'm pretty sure that Hillary has more than earned the right to be called a woman

Calling her a girl is a bit diminutive.

She has also said pretty firmly that she's not going to run. It's a shame considering her very impressive work as Secretary of State.

[abq e streeter]

54. Apparently Hillary has no problem with it

[SWTORFanatic]

79. Clinton/Sherrod Brown 2016

[patrice]

6. How about Elizabeth Warren just anyway.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

9. Hmm...

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Only, I love Joe Biden!

Edited to add... Joe Biden reflects on his mother's life lessons:

I hope Joe runs

[ELI BOY 1950]

12. Lets just...

see how Warren does and how she represents us...Biden will run for sure...so the warren stuff
may be on hold...

[DianaForRussFeingold]

23. I hope so-Joe Biden will be a GREAT President!

He was a great Senator and a wonderful VP... He's also a great advocate for Veterans and Women...

"No one cares about women voters better than Biden. No one."

"In 1994, Joe Biden co-authored the Violence Against Women Act"

[Marie Marie]

27. Ditto +1000

Biden 2016

[MrSlayer]

11. She needs to stay in the Senate.

I like O'Malley from Maryland on our side of if Hillary doesn't run but I suspect that if Christie can somehow get through the primary he'll be the next President regardless of who we run.

[ELI BOY 1950]

15. Not true....i live in NJ and his numbers are favorable (thanks sandy) but he still can't balance a

budget

[MrSlayer]

22. I'm not saying he's good.

What has that to do with winning?

He's got a giant personality that people like and comes off as reasonable even though he's further right than W. He's got a positive national identity, people aren't going to care what his policies are, they like that bombastity.

This is a country determined to vote against themselves. He'll win and win big. Congress is never going to allow Obama to be successful so there will be desire for change.

The only way the Republicans lose 2016 is to let the baggers set the agenda. Being that they are still so apt to do this is our only hope as I see it.

[customerserviceguy]

82. And because of his embrace of the President during the Hurricane Sandy aftermath

he absolutely will not get the Repuke nomination.

He was a tough sell before that, but now, it's impossible for him to get enough support around the country (even among Repugs) to get the nomination. He's toast.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

20. Elizabeth Warren sure is doing an amazing job in the Senate

They have Christie -who seems to have made a change for the better..

Luckily, we have some really awesome potential candidates to choose from!

[Tx4obama]

31. Huh? The Senate was only in session on January 3rd when everyone was sworn in ...

then they went into recess.

The Senate will be back January 21st for President Obama's inauguration,
then their first day for 'business' will be January 22nd.

I remember that Warren made a statement calling out AIG, but what other amazing things did I miss Warren doing since January 3rd?

[DianaForRussFeingold]

34. OMG, I Totally agree! +1000...Silly isn't it..

Wow, I am being overly zealous. I do love what Elizabeth Warren did, but wow, she just become Senator a few days ago..

[hlthe2b]

13. I like Elizabeth and hope she become President some day.. That said, Biden.

(if Hillary takes a pass).

Biden/Warren has a nice ring to it... (again, IF Hillary passes)

[ELI BOY 1950]

16. she won't pass

[Little Star]

88. How does Clinton/Warren sound? I can dream can't I, lol.....

But Biden/Warren does have a nice ring, I agree.

[RoccoR5955]

17. How about Andrew Cuomo? n/t

[MannyGoldstein]

19. I suspect soon-to-be senior senator will run for president

And she may even win.

Americans are thirsting for Change. She'll be showing the country that she can walk that walk.

[ELI BOY 1950]

21. Americans are thirsting for change????...really

[MannyGoldstein]

25. Really. nt

[mykpart]

24. Chelsea Clinton will be over 35 by 2016.

Just sayin'.

[craigmatic]

26. I like her but she's too far left to win nation wide. Cuomo, Biden, and O'Malley are the people

to watch if Hillary drops out.

[Agschmid]

51. O'Malley please...

I know he's boring white guy but I like him!

[DFW]

30. I think Howard Dean was right

The days when sixty- or seventy-somethings have a serious chance in the primaries and will be considered as having a chance to do a credible job as president are waning.

Hillary and Biden could do the job credibly right now--either one of them. I'm not sure either would do as well at a year of grueling, demeaning campaigning. Joe Biden was 70 years old last year, and Hillary will be 69 by the time the 2016 election rolls around.

I see someone like O'Malley as being the sort of candidate that could go the distance and have a chance at maintaining credibly with voters during a campaign. Plus, I hear his live Irish band is an absolute killer. Imagine Christie trying to do an Irish reel or a jig. He had better not try it in a area where there has been a lot of fracking. He'd open his very own sinkhole. If you see him with Obama on foreign trips a lot starting in 2015, you'll know something's in the wind.

Other than that, my eye is on the big unknown at this point, and that's about how much I'm concerned about it. I doubt our candidate will be Biden, Hillary, Elizabeth Warren, or any other first-time Congressional. And if it is, I'll support the hell out of them.

For now, we have a few midterms to worry about.

[brooklynite]

33. Not so sure about Biden...

...he wouldn't be my first choice, but he still seems pretty peppy for his age

[NewJeffCT]

45. I think Clinton would be the overwhelming Democratic frontrunner

if she got into the race, so would not have to campaign all that hard. Plus, I think the possibility of finally being the first woman president would push her to campaign hard, if needed.

She was close in 2008, while Biden was not. If the economy goes downhill over the next few years, it will hurt both Clinton and Biden by association, but probably Biden more.

[karynnj]

48. She was the overwhelming favorite this time in the 2008 cycle

ANYONE running will have a grueling time of it.

It is too early to even know the cast of characters - though we will begin to see within a year. Consider that in the 2008 cycle all the serious candidates announced by early 2007. It might be a little later this cycle though maybe not.

It will be interesting to see what Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden do. One thought I have is that if BOTH run, could it make it easier for a young fresh face - as yet not defined - to emerge as the alternative to them. Is it possible that HRC and JB could divide a pool of people who would pick the other as their first choice if the other wasn't there?

Also what are the interactions of either strongly signalling that they intend to run. I suspect that neither (if they wanted to run) would stand down to give the other a better chance. Both have LONG TIME Presidential ambitions. Both may take the positions that Obama gave them as reason that they could now get what they failed to get before.

If one, but not the other signaled, would that cause any of the younger possibilities (O'Malley, Castro etc ) to stay out thinking their best chance could be in the future? What if both were running?

My point - it will get interesting. Someone obviously will be the Democratic nominee. It will be interesting to see how it plays out - in both parties.

[Beacool]

68. If Hillary chooses to run, then I don't think that Biden would run too.

Just my opinion, but I don't think that he would run against her.

[karynnj]

70. I think it would depend on how he sees his chances

If the election was November of THIS year, he very likely would not - because polling seems very very clear on that. But the election is NOT this year.

For either to win the Presidency, you have to assume that Obama's second term is successful. If it isn't, the likelihood is for a Republican win if they nominate someone not on the extreme right. Now, imagine that Biden continues to get and succeed with high profile, important efforts. He already is credited with being the man who managed the Iraq drawdown, monitored the stimulus, negotiated the year end tax deal and is now leading the effort to determine what can be done on gun control.

If he is in good health, I could imagine him running - as he did in 1988 and 2008. In 2004, he explored the possibility and found little support and opted to wait. There is no "my turn" issue here that would make him defer to Clinton. For either it would be the very last chance to become President.

It may be a moot point if only one still wants to commit to a race, but if both do - unless the polls are as clear as they are now, I really do not think EITHER owes it to the other to stand down. It could put Obama in an awkward position where he may just stay neutral.

[Beacool]

71. I wasn't talking about being anyone's turn.

Biden is good friends with Hillary. He knows how significant having a woman nominee would be for the party. Also, let's face it, he barely got a handful of votes last time around. Although it may be unfair, his polling is no where near Hillary's and the public has a perception of him as being the crazy uncle who has foot in mouth disease. Don't get me wrong, I like Biden. He's a decent man, I just don't foresee a majority of people willing to vote for him in 2016.

[karynnj]

72. I agree that if the polling is like it is now, Biden will not run

However, it will not be because he is good friends with Hillary - it will be because he sees that he can not win.

The conjecture I made implies that the perception of Biden changes and that he continues to have major accomplishments. If BOTH of those things happen and he is in good health, I would guess that he would run.

I know that he has spent a life time as an advocate on women's issues, but NO ONE has ever not undertaken a run they thought they could win because an alternative is a minority or a woman. Would HRC have dropped her 2008 run to endorse Obama to get a black President?

[Beacool]

73. That was different.

Obama announced after Hillary did and she was considered the more experienced candidate. At the time he was an unknown commodity. Besides, I don't see Obama's candidacy as being more historical than Hillary's. We still haven't had a woman president even though we are more than 51% of the US population. Both Hillary and Biden are well known and people already have an opinion on them. I just don't see Biden as president in 2016. But, who knows? So much can happen in 4 years.

[Little Star]

89. Amen!

[brooklynite]

32. Absolutely not...

...how about, actually letting her serve as a Senator before starting to think about another gig?

[center rising]

35. I have reservations about Warren

[Agschmid]

52. such as? can you elaborate? n/t

[Recursion]

36. How wide is her appeal outside of people who post to liberal message boards?

(It's not a rhetorical question; I have no idea)

My own guess is O'Malley, but this far out it's a complete WAG.

[BluegrassDem]

37. Please, no more Massachusetts nominees for a while!!

I'm beginning to think there's a curse. Even Romney couldn't win. When's the last Massachusetts candidate to win? Kennedy?

[karynnj]

49. Kennedy - though if there had been no voter suppression in Ohio 2004 - there would have been 2

Not to mention, there are no states that had MORE than one President since 1960 - other than Texas.

[leftynyc]

38. While I do hope Hillary runs

if she doesn't, the woman who took her senate seat, my junior senator, Kristin Gillibrand should certainly be looked at. She's fantastic.

[Agschmid]

53. I like Gillibrand too she is my senator...

and yes I know I am all over the place on who it should be.

[cecilfirefox]

39. I doubt she would run(Warren). nt

[davidpdx]

40. I don't think Clinton or Biden will run

Warren will have only served 4 years (granted so did Obama when he was elected) so I don't think she will run either. I do wish she was younger so after a term or two in the Senate she would be able to run.

[karynnj]

55. Like you, I don't think she will run - but her age may make it more likely

There was an article in 2007 that spoke of the fact that Durbin encouraged Obama to run in 2008 and one compelling argument was that the circumstances that made him a party superstar in 2004 and afterward could dim if he waited until 2016. Not to mention the Democratic VP on the 2008 ticket (if not him) might make that a tough run. In other words, even for a young man, the chance might never be better.)

In Warren's case her age makes it unlikely that she will be a Senator with much seniority. This is important as it means that she may never chair a full committee. She may through her celebrity and her expertise be able to make a difference. However if she does that, there are people who might push her to take that gamble. Her seat will not be up, so she does not risk it - though it could hurt her in 2018.

[davidpdx]

57. The sudden turn over of both seats kills MA's seniority

After having the same person for so long both Kerry and Kennedy were high up the seniority list. If Warren is in good health (which is seems she is) she could probably serve 3 terms.

My senator, Wyden is finally getting some nice movement up the list after being in the Senate for 16 years. Merkley also got a bit of a boost.

[WooWooWoo]

41. if Hillary doesn't run

Biden is all but a shoe-in.

He'll have Obama's support, and his team. And that's be more than enough.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

42. NO

[Jennicut]

43. What's so bad about staying in the Senate?

Sometimes if you stay around long enough, your power and influence is bigger then any President's.

[Beacool]

44. Too soon.

Hillary was already a well known commodity and was on her second term as senator. Obama was an anomaly, he was the least experienced candidate in 99 years (since Teddy R.), but he was also a "historical" candidate. Obviously Warren would be just as historical, but I don't think that she has the name recognition (she barely made it in MA) to mount a presidential campaign in the next 2 1/2 years.

PPP just released a 2016 presidential poll yesterday. Hillary was the most popular by a wide margin and Christie by a lesser margin on the overall poll. Ironically, Christie was much less popular with the Republicans when broken down by party. He was more popular with Democrats.

[Whisp]

46. 'historical' candidate, eh?

You mean he won over Hillary just because he is black?

What nonsense.

He won because he ran an ace campaign and was the better candidate. He, just like other minorities, had to work 10x as hard to get the same credit. He didn't win it because he is black. What utter nonsense.

[Beacool]

47. What's the problem?

His candidacy WAS historical, but so was Hillary's. They were both historical candidates. What the heck is wrong with saying it? Women have also had to work 10x harder than their male counterparts to prove that they can handle the job.

As for being the better candidate, that's debatable. You preferred him and I preferred someone else. That's life.

[Whisp]

60. a previous Mrs. President

would not have to work as hard as a relatively unknown junior woman senator

I see your point, but it's apples and bananas.

[Beacool]

62. You know what, I'm not going to fall for the bait.

I could write a lot about the 2008 election and nomination process, but let's leave it be for now.

Your candidate is president, what do you keep harping about?

[Whisp]

65. because I love the sound

and the lines are so beautiful, aren't they?

[Beacool]

66. Yawwwnnnnn...........

[Agschmid]

50. Howard Dean?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251274802

[Protalker]

56. Hillary is the 1 for me

In 2008 it was clear we were going to need a fighter Hillary is able to take on the right wing freak show and come out on top she and Bill have the confidence to take on the fight that will lay ahead. Elizabeth Warren is to professorial for mass consumption.

[CheapShotArtist]

59. You know what's fucked up?

Another poster mentioned earlier that Warren may be too far-left to win nationwide, but I want to know how come Republicans can go to the right as much as they want and still be competitive, yet Democrats can't go big on a liberal agenda? It's like we can never have a viable left-wing party in order to balance out the GOP. That kinda pisses me off.

[Beacool]

63. They don't win either.

Or we would have right now a president Gingrich, Cain, Bachmann or any of the other RW nuts that were in the running. Even Bush Jr. was not RW enough for the current tea party bunch.

[mykpart]

64. Point taken.

I would love to see a contest between the far right and the far left. That would really be a choice!

[brooklynite]

61. How about, no.

She's only been in the Senate for TWO WEEKS. Perhaps you could let her serve a term and get some understanding about how the legislative process works?

[musicblind]

67. I really hope Hillary runs.

She knows how to take out the trash in Congress.

[Beacool]

69. I can't wait for her Congressional testimony.

Particularly when she's in front of the House members. Hillary has a way to tell foes to go eff themselves in a very polite and diplomatic way. I expect the Senate probe to be a lot more conciliatory.

[socialaidem]

74. She should stay in the Senate, at least for now. Maybe 2020.

[Capt. Obvious]

75. I'm going to wait until 2014

There has to be a fresh face elected then that we can rally behind for the executive branch.

[demwing]

76. how about Joe Biden

even if Hillary does run?

[sellitman]

77. Joe

I'm hoping Biden runs too. Hillary is too divisive. Her treatment of President Obama in the last primary was shameful.

[DonCoquixote]

78. To those who love Hillary

Remember how making her the inevitable queen ruined her election in 2008? Be the tortoise that is slow and steady, the one that does NOT ignore 2014, rather than be HARE- brained.

[antigop]

80. ah, yes! The "inevitability" meme. Know what? They are doing it again. n/t

[DonCoquixote]

81. Of course

And I truly,sincerely, hope that her supporters do NOT bring up the age bigotry or subtle race bigotry that Clinton did, like when Bill said "I got mugged", or "this guy would be bring us Coffee."

The "oh he is too young and inexperienced" crap that Huffpo and FireDog lake still do, because they wanted Saint Hillary.

And I do hope they do not bring up the "if you are against Hillary, U R a SEXIST!" crap when one of the reasons some of us got turned off in 2008 was her willingness to kill a lot of Iranian woman and children to prove her Machismo, ala Golda Meir and Maggie Thatcher.

[Beacool]

83. Oh, please............

Of all the bull and revisionist crap...........

[DonCoquixote]

84. Oh please

Seeing as how I might have to hold my nose to vote for Hillary in 2016, I want to keep the fighting to a minimum, however, do we really want to deny she said she would "obliterate Iran?" even though the only soil they would have attacked is that of Israel (which, despite many Zionist's spin, is NOT America.)

Are you going to deny Bill made the comments about being "mugged?" Or the "coffee" comments? Or the barrage that has come from Jane hamsher and Arianna from day one?

I will still vote for Hillary in 2016, as the nicest,kindest GOP is frankly untrustworthy at best,however, I do look forward to seeing all these people that insisted Hillary was a liberal get ground under the Bus..which in her case will be an Army tank going towards Tehran.

[Beacool]

85. I don't want to get into a 2008 primary fight.

The Obama campaign was not above politics either (particularly Plouffe and Axelrod). I too can recount plenty of things. Do we really want to start a political version of he said, she said?

BTW, the coffee remark nobody knows whether it's true or not. Kennedy was already dead by the time it was reported. In either case, it would have referred to lack of seniority. When Hillary entered the senate she was the one serving coffee at some of the meetings. The archaic protocol of the senate has long been called "the last remaining plantation".

As for Hillary's comments about Iran, they were in response to the question of what she would do if Iran attacked Israel with nuclear weapons. If you think that Obama, who has used drones more than Bush, would not do the same; then you are deluded.

As for voting for Hillary, if half of the party had to vote for Obama because the alternative would have been worse, then the other half can do the same if Hillary runs and becomes the nominee in 2016. Either way, I don't give a flying fig who people vote for.

[DonCoquixote]

91. I never debated the last part

Let me put it to you bluntly...I do not care who the Dem is...I do not care if it is Hillary, I do not care of the Democrat has horns, a pitchfork and a tail, and the GOP runner has an aura that makes Jesus look like Hitler, the GOP must not be allowed to win, period. However, I do hope that Hillary would not give in to the same mistakes she gave into before.

and just so you know I am committed to supporting her if she is the nominee: If she does win the nomination, and.if it is a choice between Bill opening his big mouth and trying to take over his wife's campaign again, and him finally getting a heart attack, I will pray for the Heart Attack. I will encourage the Hillary 2016 campaign to get every bit of mileage from that state funeral. Heaven knows that is exactly what Bill would want, and I mean that with no trace of humor. That man would plan his own funeral if he thought it would beat the GOP.

[Beacool]

92. Hey, don't kill Bill!!!

He may be a scoundrel at times, but I can't help but like the guy. Politics is ephemeral, but death is forever. Besides, his passing would be devastating for Chelsea and Hillary too.

[DonCoquixote]

93. Miss bea

Normally this is the sort of thing I would only say in humor, but I sincerely believe that if William Jefferson Clinton was given a choice between a Republican getting into office in 2016 and Death, he would leap into the Coffin. I do not say that as an insult, but because I know that man would rather die than see a GOP president attempt to go after his wife, his children, and his country. The GOP acted like they liked Hillary in 2008, but we all know that when a GOP gets into office, they will not stop until they get her in a grave or a prison cell.

Politics is ephemeral, but death is forever, and no one knows that more than the GOP, because they LIKE to KIll, and they want to kill, and every time they get into office, they kill a lot. The tragedy is, democrats had to learn to love a kill in order to get elected, which is why a Dennis K. will never be anything more than a glorified mayor of Cleveland who gets on TV a lot.

[Beacool]

94. Well, maybe so.

Let's just hope that he doesn't ever have to make that choice. I like Bill.

[Little Star]

86. I'm there "IF" Hillary doesn't run.

[Jeneral2885]

90. Hilary is ok with foreign affairs

I dont think she can do the Presidency or an Obama-style admin