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http://www.politicususa.com/obama-steps-republicans-debt-ceiling.htmlObama is Already Two Steps Ahead of Republicans on the Debt Ceiling
By: Jason Easley
Jan. 6th, 2013
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Before the Republican congressional leadership had a chance to utter a word about the debt ceiling, the president said,
Now, one last point I want to make while I will negotiate over many things, I will not have another debate with this Congress over whether or not they should pay the bills that theyve already racked up through the laws that they passed. Let me repeat: We cant not pay bills that weve already incurred. If Congress refuses to give the United States government the ability to pay these bills on time, the consequences for the entire global economy would be catastrophic far worse than the impact of a fiscal cliff.
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The president has public support, the better message, organization, and plan. Obama is running circles around the Republicans while dysfunction, disagreement, and chaos have paralyzed their party. Republicans will bluster about letting the nation default, but no one believes for a second that the big money interests who really run the party will ever let that happen.
Congressional Republicans have demonstrated repeatedly that they dont have the stomach to carry out their threats. A much wiser President Obama has learned to ignore the rights empty threats while exploiting the fragmented disorganization of their caucus.
While Republicans are trying to dig themselves out of their fiscal cliff hole, Obama is digging in for another win on the debt ceiling.
SDjack
(1,448 posts)the Repug votes to extend the debt limit, he will allow the House to vote it up-or-down. DEMs plus some reasonable Republicans will extend it.
pacalo
(24,721 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)pacalo
(24,721 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)He was stunned by Obama's intelligence. i believe the man is a genius. I've known a few, and they are humble and ready to listen - after all, they have an innate love of knowledge.
There are things to learn from any person on different subjects. Even those considered 'mentally challenged' have some insights because of where their minds wander.
The most pitiful person is the one who is trapped by ego or fear into not exploring things. The louder and more confident one is in one's own notions, always ready to insult or ridicule others, is a sign of low or stifled intelligence, IMHO.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Looking so foward to his next books. Read somewhere after politics President O. wants to teach again. I would love to take that class!
freshwest
(53,661 posts)pacalo
(24,721 posts)As for my personal opinion about Obama, he's the first president who has reminded me so much of JFK. He's got the same presence: intelligence, quick wit, poise, charm, good looks, & a young, democratically-driven family.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Last edited Mon Jan 7, 2013, 12:22 PM - Edit history (1)
I used to tell people that of those in my memory, JFK and Carter and would have been RFK - were the best ones. But I've seen more in Obama than those men, and I'm glad he got his second term. This country needed someone of this caliber for a long, long time. Very grateful to see someone who is able to handle so much.
Humility and patience are not weaknesses, the bravado and coarseness of loud mouths and bullies are dangerous. Obama has excellent and necessary traits for leaership. People who blow up and lash out cannot be trusted with so much responsibility and working with so many conflicting interests.
He is also one of those who work with things as they are, even though we don't like the way this country has changed. He comprehends this without the sloth of believing the status quo always wins, and gets things done without desiring credit or being adored. That is the downfall of shallow men and nations.
pacalo
(24,721 posts)Perfectly put.
(fixed the typo on "changed" )
NightOwwl
(5,453 posts)and very little ego. Buddha would be proud.
I'm still amazed he is our President.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)I've seldom seen such a self-actualized being. Good.
Cary
(11,746 posts)You don't get to be editor of the Harvard Law Review unless you're brilliant.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)tavalon
(27,985 posts)because I've known from the first time I heard him that he was a genius, and that genius pared with a Wellstone like political POV, would be just sublime. The First Lady is no slouch either. And I just bet you, their children got the good stuff too.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)This country has been going conservative for over 30 years, and has always had a large group, even before the latest craziness, that quietly went along with some of the most radical things.
We might pretend it is a generational problem or a regional one, but it's a bit different than that. I consider this country to have been operatiing with more than one social and economic model since before the Civil War. Classical liberalism has been around a long time, but was had only been manifested since the Civil Rights era in a context most of us understood.
This country have been further divided by how people live. We no longer have town halls or town centers in most of the country. Capitalism defined our work, where we live and socialize. Everything is a product, we are in a vertical social order set up not only on the physical scale but by media, separation in eduation and property.
At one time it was possible to call for a general strike among a community that trusted each other and had resources to share to see people through a temporary hardship. This is no longer the case. We have been taught to despise each other, the heart is no longer willing to stand by each other in hardship because there is no sense of roots, no belief in the greater good.
Even liberals or those who profess to be liberals, are not able to formulate what they want society to be in a positive manner - we spend more time examining our differences with the right than explaining what we want. Our voice has been taken from us, we have trouble keeping a meme, a motto with longevity to build on with those we wish to teach.
Those we see as allies, often are merely following conventional thinking patterns and believe things won't change to harm them if they stand aside and wait for the dust to settle. Then they will participate, but in the rmeantime the energy needed to change things is wasted.
The right wingers work in communities every day with their set of beliefs guiding them. This is not FDR's, JFK's,RFK's, LBJ's, Carter's or Clinton's America. More and more power and wealth has created a separate group that cannot be ignored as they have taken over the functions of many entities traditional liberalism created.
The masses of people not only do not protest this, they would not want it to change. Obama cannot dissuade them from what they see as the only way to survive. When we get more of our fellows to embrace liberalism. PBO can get more done in that direction.
He is not a master hypnotist, and he is not into controlling us as some might think. That is a losing strategy, because there are too many people in this world to get them to all agree.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)I want a nation in which children, the elderly, the infirm and those who struggle with poverty are assisted by the government. I want us, as a nation to care about one another, such that a person being hungry or homeless is seen as unacceptable and that our government as well as each individual chooses to help those in need.
I want America to stop being a foreign aggressor and with the United Nations, devote a much smaller amount of our GDP to helping other nations in need, rather than fueling the military industrial complex. Homeland security would be replaced by the Dept. of Peace.
I want unions to be strong or even better, unnecessary and I want those who have more than they could ever want for to give back what they don't need to those who do.
I want us to have universal health care and universal public education.
I want a nation that values its nurses, firefighters and teachers and finds CEOs who do nothing but amass money to be contemptible.
I want, just once, to find that there are some people who are more liberal than I am.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I honestly wouldn't know what I would ask him first being both a political freak and having an interest in law.
Flashmann
(2,140 posts)Decent people are not the problem.......Republicans are.......
Decent people and thuglicans are two entirely different animals....
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Last edited Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:10 PM - Edit history (1)
Many want to liberate us from the evil government and would welcome a permanent state of default, and the collapse of civil government on every level. But it would only liberate a few millions of their lives and future. Those who work to maintain social relationships, who are not on the sidelines howling for entertainment, don't want default.
fredlefebvre
(1 post)Pres. Obama was a United State Senator from January '05 until November '08. Does he include himself and the votes he cast in the phrase "bills they've already racked up"? Or are we to assume that his numerous "did not vote" record absolves him from any responsibility for the bills we have?
And do you really expect that Sen.'s and Rep.'s who have gotten us to this point will be able to solve it? Not likely.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)so your point is moot.
The debt ceiling is just an arbitrary number like a bank overdraft limit. If you've already spent the money then it's absurd to suddenly tell the bank not to cover it.
Cosmocat
(14,543 posts)he is saying congress needs to pay the bills it racked up.
Dense, aren't you.
SunSeeker
(51,377 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)and after I read a reply like that, my eyes wonder to their post count. Never fails. It's happened about 10 times in the last few days. I chuckle ever time... like now...
sheshe2
(83,353 posts)All negative on PBO!
Cha
(295,926 posts)who run like scared chickens from taking any responsibility. Zero accountatbiilty for their lies and spending when bush-cheney was Racking up debt and raising the ceiling 17 times.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)but you know Obama is pushing them to pay for everything that was passed in this generation? That would include him.
rippinsteo
(6 posts)We deserve what is ours. No debt ceiling. Nobody cares about debt. I want what's mine. Peace.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)SunSeeker
(51,377 posts)tavalon
(27,985 posts)Awww, innit cute.
CranialRectaLoopback
(123 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)sheshe2
(83,353 posts)Last I saw you, was on my post, at the BOG. That didn't work out so well for you, did it!
It's pretty clear that you have nothing but disdain for this President.
CranialRectaLoopback
(123 posts)Do you applaud drone killings, warrantless wiretapping, rendition, extrajudicial killings? I don't.
pacalo
(24,721 posts)This thread really struck a nerve -- there coming out of the wudwerk!1!
tavalon
(27,985 posts)and your comment.
pacalo
(24,721 posts)You're welcome to steal it.
Cha
(295,926 posts)dust.
sheshe2
(83,353 posts)two have appeared on my threads...one at BOG....now on second tread. I can't even alert on him. My computer is wacky again tonight. When I tried my post below covers the alert!
This guy is nuts.
she
Cha
(295,926 posts)Last edited Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:02 AM - Edit history (1)
expedient than actually knowing what they're talking about.
No worries.. they won't stop the progress.
she
sheshe2
(83,353 posts)We are moving forward rapidly. We are fired up! Yes we can!
I can not wait until the Inauguration. It will be awesome. Waiting with baited breath for what Chipsticks comes up with for that. It is why she has been moving so rapidly on her "moment or two series." She plans to finish through december before the Inauguration. A commemerative...then a new beginning.Then we have the SOTU!
WOW what a great month this is turning out to be.
Cha,
Mahalo Nui Loa!
For Everything.
she
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)uncommonCents
(8 posts)Taxes have already been raised, check your next pay stub. During the debt ceiling negotiation, President Obama got most of what he wanted if the U.S. went off the "fiscal cliff". This time, Republicans get most of what they want if the government is shut down. Since they can still pay social security and interest on the debt, Republicans have a much stronger hand this time. President Obama is out saying that a shutdown will be catastrophic, but it wasn't catastrophic the last time it happened. Get ready for a shutdown. Taxes have already been raised, check your next pay stub.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Notice column B: End Payroll tax break.
They have no leverage. And unless they want to be extinct in 2014 they need to keep quiet. The last thing they need is media pointing fingers at them. GONE.
donco
(1,548 posts)a steady stream of business leaders going in and our of the Whitehouse the next couple of months.